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Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Not to mention that's for a 200 mile charge. On most days I don't drive much more than 16 and whenever someone says "but I live 100 miles from work!" what I hear is "I'm an idiot who bought a house in the wrong area and/or hate myself."

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Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Don't forget that since most (all?) credit card readers on gas pumps now require you to enter a zip code for verification, you can't use one if you don't live in the US. Only found that out last weekend from a friend who was on a road trip with a Canadian.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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djdanno13 posted:

Don't tell anyone but I think the crane might have been staged. Particularly since they focused on the beam itself and don't show the truck itself. Plus Jezzas pretty relaxed expression after just tipping over.

I'm pretty sure they were filming it for comedic effect ("look how much bigger it is than May's puny crane. We can carry two bundles of bamboo and look how long the boom is...") and then it tipped over because it didn't have the outriggers deployed and had to boom extended all the way out while moving. Also the camera at the end of Jeremy's crane showed that it was rotated slightly and he'd just driven onto the berm on the side of the road to go around James when it tipped over. Its all static shots until the guy filming May's crane zips over to see what the hell is going on and then its a bunch of cameramen trying to get shots of something they hadn't planned.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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The was practically the ending for Independence Day.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that while making a joke about two cars being indistinguishable, Clarkson tried making a second joke about how a very commonly used rhyme used to be really racist until it got whitewashed and now everyone pretends it never happened. Unfortunately mumbling can often sound like swearing even when it isn't being used to cover foul language (like that scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit where people think Donald Duck is calling Daffy a "stubborn friend of the family") so he used an alternate take. Saying the BBC is subsidizing racism is like saying that Universal was subsidizing pornography just because the skinny-dipping lady at the beginning of Jaws wasn't fully obscured by darkness when they first developed the film.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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skooma512 posted:

Also they were cheating with the Apache. Of course you evaded the hellfire lock, they're not meant to be fired from that close up or with the helicopter darting around.

They mentioned that in the episode. Something about how it would have gotten a lock easily from a distance but for close up they would have used the cannon.

About the epic races: they admittedly try to set the routes to make the race as close as possible but they don't use taxis because then they're just racing one car against another on roads with speed limits. The whole point is to contrast the slower top speed of the car against the inflexibility of public transit.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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I think they did a lovely job of disabling features on cars that didn't have them. Tanner's alternator never came up (and unplugging the electric fan would have been more appropriate) and they had to give Adam his steering wheel back because its too dangerous to drive around using vice grips. They should have given him a smaller steering wheel instead. Bonus points that he probably would have loved it aside from the extra work it takes to turn.


FogHelmut posted:

"Have general car knowledge outside of 1977 Detroit" would be a start.

As someone who grew up in the shadow of Detroit, I'm glad to have one Top Gear presenter that prefers older American cars, especially since the other presenters (on both sides of the Atlantic) all have their own preferences.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Well at least we know where this guy went after Lexx ended:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-brdBXYIGw (I couldn't find a video that only had the first 1:10)

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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quote:

It has since been reported that Clarkson and co might have broken license plate laws in Argentina during their filming misadventure.

Probably when they took the plates off the car and drove around without tags. "They have removed the offensive plates from their car...just like they removed the Falkland islands from Argentina!"

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Can we at least admit that the Mustang seemed heavily molested by the previous owner? I agree that its a shame to beat on good cars for no reason, but I don't include that particular Mustang to be a good car. Heck, they seemed surprised the Lotus even made it to the starting line and the last time Jeremy bought a 928 it needed a rebuild before filming started. They were probably surprised hardly anything broke down.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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jamal posted:

Yeah 860g would be just the frame. It's probably around 7kg total.


To be fair, I think most of the problems were due to the dealer installed aftermarket alarm and he liked the car itself.

The way read it, it was an insurance mandated, dealer installed aftermarket alarm (and he bitched about it a bit in this episode too).

Didn't Jeremy already have his Ford GT when they made that road trip? I could see him being a bit more unforgiving of the poor fuel consumption if he's used to it not being the BBC's money pouring into the tank.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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hopterque posted:

As far as I know that france road trip was literally in HIS Ford GT.

That's what I was thinking, since it would be a remarkable coincidence to find a second blue with white stripes GT for a road trip.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Well, good thing it had a better approach angle than the Zonda or he probably would have never left the parking garage.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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T1g4h posted:

After the preview of this series they showed in the first episode, i'm already incredibly stoked to see what looked to be an ambulance challenge. Also, I'm pretty sure at one point I saw a Jeep Grand Cherokee, so some sort of SUV challenge to come later maybe? This season is going to be awesome :v:

It was a regular Cherokee: (go to image 2 of 10) http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/series-22-top-gear-preview-2015-1-2

quote:

The V stands for value

SUV-type cars are very fashionable these days. They're also rather expensive. A Range Rover Evoque, for example, will easily set you back £30,000, and that's before you go mad with the options. But what if you fancied a trendy sports-utility vehicle for less? A lot, lot less. Armed with just a few hundred pounds, the presenters were each told to buy a serviceable, roadworthy 4x4 and then report to Top Gear's top-secret SUV testing centre...

Looks like Hammond gave it a new paintjob at some point:

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Besides, tons of people put tonneau covers on their pickups that are too much work to take off so they can't fit anything over 18 inches tall into their huge pickup bed.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Josh Lyman posted:

If the winch was powered by a separate engine, what made the stunt different than using any other car?

It doesn't, because almost all winches are electrically powered and can be attached to anything. The winch they were using looked like it was hydraulically powered from the rear engine which was probably done because A) offroaders will often wire in a second battery so they don't need a jump after running down the battery winching themselves 20 feet so it would have taken many batteries to scale a dam and B) most electric winches aren't rated for a 100% duty cycle and would overheat if run for that long.

The point of the exercise wasn't that only a Land Rover was capable of winching itself up a dam, it was to recreate a (supposedly) very famous commercial in a way that was more in the spirit of what was being advertised, like if they'd found a way to make the Crossfire board game as interesting as in the commercial or found a hamburger where old women couldn't find the beef.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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They really need to find a way to punish Clarkson without punishing everyone else on the show. I think the allegedly punched-at producer would probably fare the worst in the job pool. "Why did I leave my last job? I got the star of the show to throw the second punch of his life at me and the incident eventually got the entire show canceled...but I assure you that was an isolated incident that will definitely not recur on this new show."

Even if I don't blame the victim (which I don't), that doesn't mean future employers won't.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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TheDarkFlame posted:

I remember when Two And A Half Men collapsed because of Charlie Sheen, and America's international reputation crumbled. Conveniently, that was a well-known show about an arrogant and somehow sucessful buffoon, an intelligent but kind of boring guy, and a really short bloke, which had serious troubles after the first guy was in the news a lot for being kind of dumb and awful.

I kid, Top Gear was nothing like that. They had barely any drug-fuelled antics. I think.

The difference being that the US has many shows rebroadcast in other countries compared to the UK which only has a few. Before I started watching Top Gear the only British produced show I'd ever watched was Red Dwarf on PBS. Once Top Gear ends (one way or another, it will eventually) a bunch of people are going to go back to having their only exposure to English people being American produced entertainment using stereotypes, usually set in a military engagement where the US defeats/saves England.

Although if I lived in England, I'd rather lose representation in popular culture than have tons of people go on BBC World News and complain about Clarkson being a literal Captain Planet villain who practically runs England because he's wealthy and knows the Prime Minister.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Watermelon City posted:

I'm an American and I can sincerely assure concerned Brits that the end of Top Gear will alter not our view of your drizzly little island. It is heartwarming you guys think so much is riding on one car show.

As a different American I'd say that I probably wouldn't alter my view of Moistland, just that I'll stop caring entirely once it goes back to having no representation in Things That Affect My Life (tm). At least until James May decides to send some British toy I've never heard of into the Challenger Deep or something.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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tijag posted:

Yeah, if I grab dinner with my boss and he has a few too many drinks it's totally ok for him to punch me in the face....

:eyeroll:

If the reverse happened the producer would absolutely have been fired as a result, so I don't understand why people are acting as though this should just be no big deal and the media is making a big deal out of it.

Well, it seems clear that the media is making a big deal about it, but I don't feel it's unjustified. I don't see the rationale where it's OK for JC to just punch someone because 'aw shucks he had a few too many beers'. I mean like, OK so he has no responsibility for his actions after that?

I love the show, and I'll be sad to see it go, but I sorta feel like this is over the line and maybe it's time for a new cast, ala Doctor Who. Get a new triumvirate in, and strike out in a new direction.

You can be irreverent without punching people.

I don't like to condemn someone on the very limited facts available so far, so I can wait for the internal inquiry to finish and an official statement is released (assuming it ever is). The other problem is that even though it sounds like Jeremy did something (whatever it was) that deserves disciplinary action, it isn't that easy to just fire him. While most people can be replaced, Top Gear is just an airplane hanger with some cars in it without the hosts. If they fire Jeremy outright, they'd might as well fire everyone else that works on the show, including the allegedly punched producer.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Maybe I've just seen too many movies about managers getting rock stars the exact amount of drugs (whether its more or less than they already have) and other bullshit to corral them into going on stage night after night, but where was everyone else during the 20 minutes leading to the punch? Clarkson clearly needs to take responsibility for the incident, but why didn't anybody get to the point of "poo poo is getting real, we'd better go persuade Clarkson to go wait in his room while we send up two steaks and a brandy glass with a thousand brown M&Ms in it"?

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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I think we're all avoiding the real question here: does this make us more or less likely to have a Top Gear US vs. UK episode? On the one hand, they aren't on Top Gear anymore but on the other hand, the UK presenters suddenly have much better availability.

Plus it practically writes itself.

US Top Gear: "We've set up a series of challenges against some unemployed guys from Britain"

US: "You brought in $50 million a year? How'd you get fired? Did you molest a kid or something?"
UK: "No, the BBC would have been fine with that"

UK: "We won *challenge*!"
US: "Yeah, well we still have a show. Here, have a bologna sandwich before Clarkson beats us all to death."

(You people have been arguing for so long I've taken to writing Top Gear fan-fiction)

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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At this point I'd be willing to let Aatrek molest another kid if it meant he could come in here and start banning people for "making GBS threads up the thread".*

Unless you personally fired Jeremy Clarkson, nobody cares what you think about workplace abuse.

I'll probably watch the new Top Gear UK, but Top Gear USA has not given me high hopes.

*Yes, I'm aware that this isn't TVIV.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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LeftistMuslimObama posted:

Their schtick won't feel right without Jeremy there. I just can' t imagine Hammond+May plus some other guy working.

I could see it working if its just the two of them doing a video and then back to the studio, but If they try to add a third person into the group it probably isn't going to work.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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As presenters you need all three (and I don't really want just two to come back to the show), but if you pick any two to do a segment with then it works rather well.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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RillAkBea posted:

Oh man, he's like a for reals Red Green :swoon:

I lost it at "Keep your dick in a vice" instead of Red Green's "Keep your stick on the ice"

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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mod sassinator posted:

Hah great name! I can't wait to see what they do now that they don't have the BBC nannystate watching them, and have a gigantic purse of money. Here's hoping we get even wilder and crazier builds like the Reliant Robin space shuttle.

I'm cautiously optimistic that this won't turn into another Ren & Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon, which let everyone know John K is kinda weird without censors telling him not to be.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Data Graham posted:

:geno: "The P1, now that is a supercar... It has a really good engine."

:geno: "Now, the Porsh, well, that's a supercar too. Only slightly different."

:geno: "Now, the Ferrari... Oh yes, well the Ferrari, now that's interesting."

:geno: "Thank you so much for this tremendous honor."

A perfect example of why the Stig isn't allowed to talk.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Gorilla Salad posted:

No, I think they're actually trying to argue that Top Gear should be prosecuted for removing the FKL plates :psyduck:

That's exactly what they're doing, which the BBC article doesn't really make clear unless you already know about it.


I'm so excited. I wish they would announce the name of the show though (other than "it won't be Gear Knobs").

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Foxtrot_13 posted:

I wonder how many of these war vets were actually in the Falklands and how many are the standard right wing rent-a-mob.

From what we've seen it seems they get a handful of actual vets (or one) to add legitimacy to the lynch mob cause and then the vast majority of the rest are in their twenties and heard somewhere that Top Gear had a car that said "gently caress Argentina" on it.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Oh good, this again. Can we instead argue about how Jay Leno said he didn't want to be a member of American Top Gear because he didn't want to turn his hobby into a job but now Jay Leno's Garage has been picked up by CNBC? Of course this wouldn't be the first time that Leno changed his mind when faced with not being on TV anymore.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Cojawfee posted:

I don't understand why the word fracas was such a big deal. I've been hearing the word fracas on and off for several years, yet everyone freaked out that it was used. Someone used the word fracas once and then every mention of the event afterwards was "It was a real 'fracas' alright!" "wow, what 'fracas,' right guys?" Can you believe what a fracas this whole thing turned into? The word fracas almost became bigger than the event itself.

Probably because fracas isn't a commonly used word and many news agencies all used it at the same time to describe the same event so it was kind of weird. Plus fracas is a funny word so its kind of noticeable.

I hear "cromulent" more often than fracas and it isn't even a real word.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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spog posted:

Huh, that's interesting.

I always assumed that Hammond was the third wheel - they are often referring to him as 'Mr Angry' and mentioning his bad moods.

Any two of them always have good chemistry and they complain about the odd man out. If its all three of them then they arbitrarily pick one to make fun of.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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So they've said that they can't use "Gear Knobs" because they can't put "gear" in the title. Perhaps they could call it "Oh Cog".

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Ether Frenzy posted:

I got one, my wife got one, we both wrote witty commentary as to why we should be selected + live in Los Angeles + have been Prime customers for like 10 years.

e: They just called me and asked if I'd be interested in the Sept 23/24 weekend show and asked a few other questions, I'll find out this weekend if I'm in.

"Is your wife hot enough to be in the front row of Top Gear The Grand Tour?"

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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nmfree posted:

I genuinely hope they have this same argument in the first episode of The Grand Tour, a possibly-new motoring show.

I don't think they could if they wanted to. If anything they'd do a "this is a totally original show in no way connected to anything on the BBC"

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Powershift posted:

thats just a chunkdeleted scene of an old top gear episode.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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drunken officeparty posted:

I'm not a car person and just watch for pretty cars and goofy british hijinks, but aren't Teslas supposed to be just as good as all these hypercars but also all electric? What's there to be controversial about

The last Tesla that Clarkson's Top Gear reviewed was the Roadster, which wasn't as fast as a Model S and didn't have the same range. Like current Teslas, it also tends to be a bit heavier than a similar gas-powered car and can't be refilled in under 5 minutes*.

I think Teslas are awesome and probably much nicer to live with than a standard supercar, but they aren't really designed for track use (doing a couple runs at the local dragstrip and then heading home down a twisty road is fine though).

*The main controversy came from Top Gear pretending their Tesla ran out of juice and were shown pushing it into the hanger to recharge. Elon Musk pulled the car's telemetry and angrily pointed out that the car never went below 30% charge (or something). Top Gear countered that they were merely trying to demonstrate why you can't spend all day at the track with one but didn't want to actually drain the car (which they could have easily done with a few more laps of "spirited driving") because it would have been very inconvenient to all involved. Then the internet started picking sides and Top Gear didn't review a Tesla again until new Top Gear did the Model X this past season.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Rated PG-34 posted:

But what rifles do lefties shoot

Something that ejectes downward like the FN P90 or wear sleeves?

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Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

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Just watched the SAS segment again. I think the second half is notably better than the first. I feel like they got rid of SIARPC and are currently doing a shorter news segment but since they're still doing the same number of segments they aren't as tightly edited and tend to drag a bit more than they used to. If they'd cut about 20-50% of that segment, I think it would have gone over better.

I don't think GT is as good as TG used to be (still better than any episode of Evans' TG though, which I still enjoyed), but a lot of their problems still feel like growing pains to me. They'll probably either add a segment to each episode or figure out how to utilize the studio tent segments better (I like Celebrity Brain Drain, but if they don't drop it in a few episodes its going to be hard to keep the joke going).

I'm kind of wondering if they're going to keep the tent next season though. Clarkson has said they thought it was a cool idea when they had it but then they realized what a pain in the rear end it is to move around all the time (and its clear they aren't quite comfortable with it yet).

Delivery McGee posted:

There's at least one street-legal sprint car, so it's theoretically possible, but that was an '89 model, so maybe before they went crazy with chassis design (source: an article in an '90s issue of Motor Trend). Hell, NASCAR Cup cars were noticeably curved at one point, until they cracked down on it and mandated one chassis for all tracks.

As for the NASCAR driver, I like the idea, but couldn't they have hired somebody who's actually the stereotype instead? I guess none of the recently-retired premier-series regulars needed the money/asked for too much.

Which one? I haven't seen it and I'm broke and already burned my Prime free trial. :saddowns: But yay, fellow lefty! Also, nah, it's fine he got the terminology wrong, he's British, probably the first time he's seen one. :v:

Very few rifles are actually a problem for us lefties. Maybe the original AR-15/M16, that's why they added the little nubbin sticking out the side behind the ejection port, to keep it from bopping you in the forehead, most eject sideways enough it doesn't matter. The only real difficulty is bolt-actions with scopes, if it's not got a scope (and usually even with, see Pvt. Jackson in Saving Private Ryan) it's easy enough to reach over the top and work it.

He probably also could have just used the vertical foregrip that was already on the gun to get his arm further out of the way. Not that I would know, I don't shoot long guns and I think my lefty wife shoots (pistols only) right handed.

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