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Install Gentoo posted:This only happens if there's an Apple store nearby and you go there instead of buying from any other place they're sold. Any Apple product can be bought from any other store and then brought to an Apple store for repairs or help. You can literally pick the Specialists brain, get his non-commissioned advice, buy it from Best Buy, but then if you have a problem you can go to Apple. Also AppleCare comes with everything automatically regardless of where you buy it. If you bought an iPad from Best Buy but wanted help, you could ask a Specialist for 10-20-50 minutes of his time to ask questions. Where else would you get that service? Live too far away? Call AppleCare.
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Of course they're doing it for business, I'm not retarded. What I'm saying is that they're hitting all the right notes as a company, but at the same time pleasing their customers. What Android tablet is doing that at the moment? That would depend on who you're asking wouldn't it? I'd wager if Asus shipped 400,000 tablets a month from april to june, then there might be, oh I don't know, a certain amount of people that are "pleased" with that tablet? Otherwise there would be zero demand and they would no longer produce a tablet in the market, let alone 2 followups. I'm done indulging you, there's not much of a point. You could stop making GBS threads up this thread though, but then again, that seems to be the theme.
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:E: I should clarify that I'm not trolling - I'm simply wondering how seemingly smart people do not get how hacked together these tablets are and how you can have the wool pulled over your eyes for that long. First it was "gingerbread at CES will change everything!" then it was "ICS at CES will change everything!" How on earth does having to set up my own email mean I've bought a hacked together device? Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Of course they're doing it for business, I'm not retarded. What I'm saying is that they're hitting all the right notes as a company, but at the same time pleasing their customers. What Android tablet is doing that at the moment? Acer and Samsung for the most part. The devices just work and they work well. I'll add that in my part of the world Apple service is sub-par - they'll try and wriggle out of their obligations under consumer law where ever possible (water sensors are their favourite excuse, and not just on tablets/phones).
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:All of these things add so much to the actual brand and help the millions of people that AREN'T us who don't read/care about the latest nightly that will fix your keyboard lag but break everything else. You are arguing against things that the vast majority of people with Android tablets don't need to worry about. You have to worry about the latest nightly build for your Xoom or Galaxy Tab as much as you have to jailbreak an iPad to get any use out of it. If you want to buy a $130 e-reader and make it an Android tablet, then yes, you need to read a thread and update your CM build every once in awhile. If you want to buy a $400-500 tablet that is meant to be a tablet, you don't have to root or flash custom poo poo on it. See, just like an iPad, they just work, you should like that! If you'd like to talk about lovely quality control and the Transformer Prime, that is a valid complaint. Saying you have to spend hours reading XDA before you can use any shiny new Android tablet is stupid.
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zer0spunk posted:That would depend on who you're asking wouldn't it? I apologize, the numbers for that specific tablet are quite impressive, and no doubt it did a nice dent in the market. The rest of your post was quite mean though, don't know why you thought to throw that in.
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Any Apple product can be bought from any other store and then brought to an Apple store for repairs or help. You can literally pick the Specialists brain, get his non-commissioned advice, buy it from Best Buy, but then if you have a problem you can go to Apple. Also AppleCare comes with everything automatically regardless of where you buy it. That doesn't matter, because every store is not an Apple store. At my old place the nearest current Apple store was an hour drive away which is well beyond convenient. Also tech support hotlines have existed for decades. You even bring up Best Buy which has a support department for everything they sell: Geek Squad.
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Jan 28, 2012 22:59
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Install Gentoo posted:That doesn't matter, because every store is not an Apple store. At my old place the nearest current Apple store was an hour drive away which is well beyond convenient. Then call Asus, then try Apple. See which one works better.
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Jan 28, 2012 23:00
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Then call Asus, then try Apple. See which one works better. Where I am you'd get fobbed off by both and have to go to the original retailer.
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Also, wasn't the transformer the one that had keyboard lag in the year 2011? Something that was perfect in the 80's, 20+ years ago? The quality control or care for their products show with glaring errors like that. People's solution? Download another browser.
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eric posted:Can Google keep manufacturers from using Android and make them themselves or is it too late to put the genie back in the bottle? zer0spunk posted:They do still make most of their income from ad revenue though. Where I'd imagine it's the exact opposite for apple (software, percentages of distribution models, possibly hardware depending on their margins)
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Jan 28, 2012 23:11
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:You're comparing Geek Squad to Apple so I don't know what the gently caress. Unless you want to pay $100 to install McAfee. Yes you do seem to not know what the gently caress when you claim noone can help you with anything that isn't Apple and then act surprised when Geek Squad is mentioned? The genius bar was absolutely useless for me when my old Macbook Pro started randomly rebooting - they said it needed to be sent away for a week to get repaired which is basically the same thing Geek Squad does.
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Any Apple product can be bought from any other store and then brought to an Apple store for repairs or help. You can literally pick the Specialists brain, get his non-commissioned advice, buy it from Best Buy, but then if you have a problem you can go to Apple. Also AppleCare comes with everything automatically regardless of where you buy it. Thanks for your great comments on Apple's customer support! I found a nice thread that is an even better place to talk about Apple's fantastic support for the iPad, it'd be great if you'd answer our questions about Applecare there. Thanks bud 
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Jan 28, 2012 23:12
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Install Gentoo posted:Yes you do seem to not know what the gently caress when you claim noone can help you with anything that isn't Apple and then act surprised when Geek Squad is mentioned? Geek Squad is run by a bunch of retards, sorry if this is news to you but it's universally true. They are crooks.
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What is the recommended PDF reader for the tablet? The official Adobe one closes and restarts PDFs on the first page when I task switch which is just loving stupid.
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FunOne posted:What is the recommended PDF reader for the tablet? The official Adobe one closes and restarts PDFs on the first page when I task switch which is just loving stupid. I've used ezPDF and Repligo Reader, since annotation is necessary for me. I prefer ezPDF, although it can be slow to render a file initially. Repligo was good enough, too, but was a little jerkier and had less annotation options. I've also used Quick Office when I didn't need to edit and it seemed to do the job. I haven't had an issue with losing my place after switching tasks with any of those.
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FunOne posted:What is the recommended PDF reader for the tablet? The official Adobe one closes and restarts PDFs on the first page when I task switch which is just loving stupid. Repligo and EZpdf are both really good options. I've been having an issue since an update where trying to do any drawing style annotations will crash ez on ICS though, all other annotation options are fine. If you're doing a lot of drawing on your pdfs with a stylus, go with repligo until ezpdf updates unless you're on HC.
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Jan 28, 2012 23:23
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Apple doesn't send their devices out of the store So you're claiming they lied to me? FunOne posted:What is the recommended PDF reader for the tablet? The official Adobe one closes and restarts PDFs on the first page when I task switch which is just loving stupid. I use the one included in Quickoffice.
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Why wouldn't an Android user want to write about their tablet like that? What's wrong with things working out of the box? For some people, gaining a sensation of mastery over computers substitutes for the feeling of control missing in their lives. Four hours configuring a smartphone OS is considered time well-spent. Any attempt to reduce the need for "tinkering" is a direct threat to the ego and breeds resentment, especially if the attempt is popular among the same kinds of mainstream users who made them feel alienated in the first place: "You can't tell ME what to do, Steve Jobs! *huff*"
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Toady posted:For some people, gaining a sensation of mastery over computers substitutes for the feeling of control missing in their lives. Four hours configuring a smartphone OS is considered time well-spent. Any attempt to reduce the need for "tinkering" is a direct threat to the ego and breeds resentment, especially if the attempt is popular among the same kinds of mainstream users who made them feel alienated in the first place: "You can't tell ME what to do, Steve Jobs! *huff*" No one needs to spend four hours configuring an Android device. Full stop.
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dissss posted:No one needs to spend four hours configuring an Android device. Full stop. "That doesn't take into account if you enjoy loving around with your toys. When I spent four hours rooting, installing custom ROMs, and tweaking my phone, I did it because it was fun."
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Jan 28, 2012 23:36
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Toady posted:"That doesn't take into account if you enjoy loving around with your toys. When I spent four hours rooting, installing custom ROMs, and tweaking my phone, I did it because it was fun." Do you have a point? You can do exactly the same thing with an iOS device IF YOU CHOOSE TO This has NOTHING to do with Android itself.
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Toady posted:"That doesn't take into account if you enjoy loving around with your toys. When I spent four hours rooting, installing custom ROMs, and tweaking my phone, I did it because it was fun." That he for some reason wanted to do it doesn't mean he needed to.
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My point is that he chose to. He and others are part of a demographic of "tweakers" that Android caters to.
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Jan 28, 2012 23:42
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Toady posted:My point is that he chose to. He and others are part of a demographic of "tweakers" that Android caters to. That's not a sensical point tho. He's telling you himself that only freaks like him actually do 4 hours of tweaking when they get the device.
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Just stop feeding trolls, eventually they'll get the point. On topic: Has anyone else tried out DSLR Controller? I'm going to test it out with a 7D on a shoot on tuesday. This was a huge influence in going with an android tablet for me since it doesn't require an intermediary like everything else. If I can capture a still from the live view without firing the shutter/having to switch back to photo mode, that will be HUGE. Same with being able to pass through the tablets HDMI to add a second display, while keeping the camera body HDMI out free.. I'll post my results..I haven't seen anything on people using it for film production, mostly just for still work.
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Toady posted:My point is that he chose to. He and others are part of a demographic of "tweakers" that Android caters to. Explain how 'Android' caters to 'tweakers' You can jailbreak and iOS device too and tweak to your hearts content but that doesn't mean Apple is catering to you.
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Install Gentoo posted:That's not a sensical point tho. He's telling you himself that only freaks like him actually do 4 hours of tweaking when they get the device. Android's demographic is split between budget buyers and these "freaks". I was explaining to Dr. Video Games why someone like this wouldn't want a tablet to work out of the box or feel magical.
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Toady posted:For some people, gaining a sensation of mastery over computers substitutes for the feeling of control missing in their lives. Four hours configuring a smartphone OS is considered time well-spent. Any attempt to reduce the need for "tinkering" is a direct threat to the ego and breeds resentment, especially if the attempt is popular among the same kinds of mainstream users who made them feel alienated in the first place: "You can't tell ME what to do, Steve Jobs! *huff*" While I don't doubt this is some peoples reasoning (see also anti-steam/itunes rage), that's not at all what people are saying in this thread. People like to tinker with all sorts of things which don't strictly speaking need tinkering, even iPhones and iPads. Needing to tinker is never an advantage, being able to might be, the advantage of the Nook Colour is it's price point, the fact that you need to tinker with it is not a point in its favour. Toady posted:Android's demographic is split between budget buyers and these "freaks". I was explaining to Dr. Video Games why someone like this wouldn't want a tablet to work out of the box or feel magical. He wasn't saying not working out of the box is a plus, he was pointing out that some people don't mind spending the time tinkering, that's not the same thing. And yes android fanboys are terrible, but arguing you shouldn't get a device because of the fans is terrible advice. Shorter Than Some fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jan 28, 2012 |
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dissss posted:Explain how 'Android' caters to 'tweakers' Without rooting etc it is possible to change and adjust quite a few settings and important system components on Android (like your launcher, browser, sms app, widgets). It's definitely tweaker friendly. Shorter Than Some posted:Needing to tinker is never an advantage, being able to might be, the advantage of the Nook Colour is it's price point, the fact that you need to tinker with it is not a point in its favour. One doesn't need to tweak the Nook Color to use it successfully. My mom certainly didn't tweak hers and she loves it.
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Toady posted:Android's demographic is split between budget buyers and these "freaks". Well that's not true so maybe you should step out, get some fresh air? It's also completely irrelevant. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Glimm posted:Without rooting etc it is possible to change and adjust quite a few settings and important system components on Android (like your launcher, browser, sms app, widgets). It's definitely tweaker friendly. Not only that, but there's a culture inherently attached to it due to its basis on Linux and Google's PR department telling people that Android is for freedom fighters.
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Toady posted:Not only that, but there's a culture inherently attached to it due to its basis on Linux and Google's PR department telling people that Android is for freedom fighters. Android fanboys are terrible I agree, what's that got to do with whether you should or should not recommend an Android device which is how this whole issue got started.
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Shorter Than Some posted:Android fanboys are terrible I agree, what's that got to do with whether you should or should not recommend an Android device which is how this whole issue got started. It pains them to see anyone not using an ipad because of how "blind" we are or something something something either that or you know, fat sweaty disgusting scorn of YOSPOS. You pick.
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Shorter Than Some posted:Android fanboys are terrible I agree, what's that got to do with whether you should or should not recommend an Android device which is how this whole issue got started. If anything, don't recommend some cheap Android phone by saying "tinkering" will save it, as it is the biggest waste of time. Nothing of value really ever comes out of that except for a lesson in determining a product's proper value proposition and why you shouldn't buy terrible devices. I seriously don't like the whole rooting community cause it seems to instill in people the idea that a lovely device can be fixed by simply rooting it and installing some hacked up rom.
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My Linux Rig posted:If anything, don't recommend some cheap Android phone by saying "tinkering" will save it, as it is the biggest waste of time. Believe it or not lots of people here actually tell people not to get those kinds! Like I keep telling people "you really shouldn't get a touchpad or nook color". For some reason a lot of them get angry about it but that's not my problem.
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My Linux Rig posted:If anything, don't recommend some cheap Android phone by saying "tinkering" will save it, as it is the biggest waste of time. If people are advising people that cheap lovely tablet will be an amazing iPad alternative because once rooted and pimped out, yeah that's bad advice. I haven't seen anyone say that in this thread, all I have seen people say is that, for example the nook colour is good for the price. Edit: also it wasn't anybody who recommended an android tablet which brought up tinkering. Shorter Than Some fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Apple doesn't send their devices out of the store - most they'll do is hold onto it while parts come in. The techs live in-house. Apple stores do send repairs out. You can then have it returned to,the store or shipped to you.
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Shorter Than Some posted:If people are advising people that cheap lovely tablet will be an amazing iPad alternative because once rooted and pimped out, yeah that's bad advice. I haven't seen anyone say that in this thread, all I have seen people say is that, for example the nook colour is good for the price. Gyshall posted:How is the Nook Color as a rooted tablet? I'm most interested in reading comics/Kindle books, as well as playing some games and so on. I looked at the Kindle Fire but I wasn't happy with the size of the screen. Crackbone posted:For what it's worth, apparently the Nook Tablet bootloader got cracked, so CM looks to be a real possibility. Not that I'd recommend it RIGHT now if you need a 7" tablet. But of course, there's at least 2 $249 7" tablets due soon with Tegra 3 hardware (and no need for custom roms), so waiting seems like the best option. Mantle posted:If you just want a cheap 10" reader, I picked up a Le Pan TC 970 for $170 on sale at amazon.ca. Its specs are similar to the Nook Color and it's a 2.2 tablet as well. However its screen is an IPS panel with the same part number as the iPad 1 screen. Syrinxx posted:32GB 9.7" HP Touchpad is $219 today on Woot. There's an early build of CM7 for this tablet I think so it's a pretty great deal. letsgoflyers81 posted:CM9 alpha is out too. But for that price it might be a better idea to get a first gen HC tablet wit dev support. Shorter Than Some posted:I would also add that if someone is considering the Nook colour or whatever instead of an iPad or latest greatest android tablet V7, they probably aren't earning 50 dollars an hour, which is why spending 30 minutes or even four hours working on making it fully functional when it costs much less is a good deal for them even when you factor in "how valuable is your time argument". If one of your considerations for a purchase is "how I'll fix this", then maybe you need reassess what you're about to buy. Also: Uthor posted:That doesn't take into account if you enjoy loving around with your toys. When I spent four hours rooting, installing custom ROMs, and tweaking my phone, I did it because it was fun. Craptacular! posted:Root is not necessary to make the machine simply start up and do tasks. This is like applying jailbreak time to the iPad because I simply MUST have my Playstation emulator and folders within folders.
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My Linux Rig posted:If anyone really considers following a set of instructions to root/flash poo poo a hobby, then that is just down right sad. Trolling threads about electronics, on the other hand
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