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This thread has been really great and I'm enjoying watching the matches. One question: Is there anywhere I can find the results of previous tournaments in english? This Site has the current tournament's results, but I couldn't find a way to look backwards, other than just finding the person who won. I'd like to see who won each mach for previous tournaments.
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Thanks, sumoreference is great!
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Mar 23, 2012 22:50
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Uber Kosh posted:No, keep it up! I'm not easily able to watch the streams, and appreciate the commentary. I watch the streams and I still enjoy the commentary!
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May 11, 2012 18:02
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That was awesome. Ive only been watching since January, but best day Ive ever seen. Even if its kinda lame I liked the leg-kick almost henka.
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May 12, 2012 11:50
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seorin posted:. Kintamayama said something about him thinking that Hakuho was going to go kyujo, which from what I can tell is a withdrawl from the tournament due to injury (either physical or in an ozeki or yokozunas case pride counts as well). It seems like this is a thing that a yokozuna can do. How big of a loss of face is it? If he does this two tournaments in a row would he be expected to retire, or is this not that serious? Any chance hes actually hurt? Wakanosato's throw was amazing, best move Ive seen someone his size do.
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May 13, 2012 12:33
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Fryhtaning posted:I enjoyed today as well! A few superb matches and plenty of building drama, with the first drop-outs due to injury rolling in, and some other wrestlers nursing injuries. Hakuho starting to crumble. The tournament still being anyone's. While watching Hakuho's difficulties is enjoyable in a schadenfreude sort of way, my favorite part of the last few days is watching Aran get his rear end kicked over and over.
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May 14, 2012 22:30
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seorin posted:Only a yokozuna can't be demoted. Even ozeki aren't immune. The announcers were speculating yesterday that Harumafuji is starting to get in danger of demotion. My impression is that for an Ozeki to get demoted they'd have to have two bad tournaments in a row, barring something like going 2-13. Is that right?
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May 15, 2012 00:52
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seorin posted:Oh wow, I didn't know about that. Do they get a boost for each kinboshi, or just the first? It was definitely Toyohibiki's first, but Toyonoshima had defeated Hakuho twice in the past, so I wonder if that counts. You get a boost for every kinboshi. However, I don't think Toyonoshima is eligible because he's Sekiwake. I believe only Maegashira are eligible for kinboshi.
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May 15, 2012 02:49
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When do we find out if Takanoyama makes it to Makuuchi or if he gets stuck at Juryo 1?
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May 22, 2012 04:01
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Has anyone ever seen a match where both wrestlers tried to henka and neither charged? I imagine it has to have happened at some point, and Id imagine its pretty funny/embarassing.
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Jul 12, 2012 12:00
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So while you might very well have legitimate criticisms in there, its really had to get past the overbearing rear end in a top hat tone of your post to find them. Fryhtaning wrote up a big rear end post post that introduced me, and presumably many others, to this pretty badass sport, so itd be pretty cool if you tone down the condescesion and maybe try not being a huge dick?
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Sep 17, 2012 12:06
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Aran is becoming one of my favorite wrestlers now that he's sworn off Henka.
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Jan 13, 2013 22:18
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S.W.O.R.D. Agent posted:Why was Takanoyama's match shown on day 1, not in day 2, but then in day 3? I was under the impression that the uploaded videos showed all of the matches for the day. This could have been the case for some of the other sumo, but Takanoyama is the only sumo I'm specifically on the lookout for at this point. The videos show all of the matches from the highest division. Takanoyama is one of the bubble guys who bounces back and forth between the top of the second highest and the bottom of the highest. This tournament he's in the second highest division. The only reason weve been seeing him at all is that kintamayama knows Takanoyama is popular so he tends to include his good matches even if hes in Juryo (the second division)
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Jan 17, 2013 02:06
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What is Iwasaki's story, or is he just really good? Im familiar with Osunaarashi but Ive never heard of the other guy (not that that means anything)
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Jan 19, 2013 10:13
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God loving drat it Aran. gently caress you
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Jan 21, 2013 12:19
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seorin posted:Never using henka is almost as bad as always using it. Even Hakuho uses it rarely. Now if Aran goes back to 4-5 a tournament... Yes, but Aran should hold himself to a higher standard, given his history. Dr.Radical posted:Re: Injury Rules, I think I've said it before, but they really need to grant injury leave for rikishi and take it on a case by case basis. Someone who is clearly injured like Baruto or needs an operation like Masunoyama should get injury leave. Someone who has a run of the mill injury that doesn't screw things up much would not get injury leave. Judgement calls like that are not good things to have in place. I dont think have the sumo board or whoever make the call on if someone is "injured enough" is a good plan. While its not hard to differentiate between "torn ligaments in knee" and "twisted ankle", the grey area on the middle is the problem. What about somone with an ankle spain? A severe high ankle spain? A back injury? (many times even real back injuries dont show up on MRI a lot of this problem is wrestlers coming back too soon. Suck up your pride, take your demotion, and come back fully healthy and ready to kick rear end. That said, Masunoyama should get an exception being that his "injury" is both non-sumo caused and 100% undeniably real.
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Jan 22, 2013 11:57
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Kikkoman posted:Sumo wouldn't be as exciting to me if it didn't have those stakes. It's the constant danger of demotion and the crazy jumps that the wrestlers can make that creates drama. Giving injured wrestlers dibs on spots would take away from that, I think. The bigger problem, I think, is people faking injury when theyre having a bad basho. Thats why I dont think it should go away. That said, Masunoyama should get a freebie since he has a loving hole in his heart.
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Feb 28, 2013 08:48
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a false posted:if it's there to prevent that and it doesn't prevent that, then what's the point? and where do you draw the line for who deserves a break? Currently, while it doesn't prevent it, the only thing faking injury does for the Rikishi is save face. He still counts as losing every match. If he could say instead "oh, poo poo, I'm hurt, don't count these loses", it would happen much more and be much more destabilizing. As for who needs a break? Don't draw the line. Keep the system as is. I was just lamenting the fact that Masunoyama, who has a legitimate, provable, non-sumo-related "injury" can't get it fixed without losing rank. He's the only person I'm aware of who I think should get an exception, but I agree that exceptions are problematic so he should probably just suck it up and take the loss of rank.
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Feb 28, 2013 22:45
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Just Winging It posted:Harumafuji's spidey-sense is strong this basho. gently caress Aran
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May 17, 2013 23:03
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Uncle Jam posted:Nah, that was enjoyably cheeky. Especially the second attempt. That wasn't a bad attempt, all things considered, and I wouldn't be pissed if it was anyone else. But you don't get to say "I will never do this again" and then do it repeatedly. Once you say "never again", you should be done, or at least only do it once in a blue moon to keep people off balance.
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May 18, 2013 00:54
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Wrestler A (Rank, Current Tournament Wins - Current Tournament Losses) - Wrestler B (Rank, Current Tournament Wins - Current Tournament Losses)) Times Wrestler A has won past meetings between these two - Times Wrestler B has won past meetings between these two So in the example you posted: Daido is Ranked 13E, which is on the low end of Makuuchi. He has 6 wins and 5 losses so far this tournament. Gagamaru is ranked 11W, which is higher than Daido. He has 8 wins and 3 losses. In their previous meetings, Daido has won 1 time and Gagamaru has won 4 times.
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May 23, 2013 21:20
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For all of the divisions other than top (Makuuchi), Ranks just go: 1E - 1W 2E - 2W 3E - 3W ect ect But in Makuuchi, there are what are called san'yaku ranks. These are above the normal rankings. So in Juryo division, the highest ranked wrestler is ranked J1E, or Juryo 1 East. But in the top division, the wrestler ranked Maegashira 1 East (or M1E) is below a number of other wrestlers who are "Titled". The titles are (in order of prominence): Yokozuna Ozeki Sekiwake Komusubi So a Komusubi is higher ranked than someone ranked M1E. Sekiwake and Komusubi are considered "Junior" san'yaku ranks, and generally are attained the same way higher Maegashira ranks (getting 8 or more wins the tournament before and moving up a few ranks). Ozeki and Yokozuna have stricter requirements. While it's the sumo associations judgement call, the rule of thumb is that to become an Ozeki you must have 33 wins in the last 3 tournaments (average 11-4 or better), although promotion to Ozeki with as few as 30 wins is possible. To become a Yokozuna, you must win two tournaments in a row (generally). Ozeki and Yokozuna also have special rules for being demoted. In the Ozeki's case, finishing with a losing record (7-8 or lower) doesn't immediately result in demotion, like it would for any other rank. They keep their rank but are considered kadoban, which means that if they don't get at least 8 wins the next tournament they will be demoted. This happened recently to Baruto, who is now a Sekiwake. A Yokozuna can never be demoted, but they are expected to retire if they can't keep winning 8-10 or more times per tournament. I am probably wrong in various places here, feel free to correct me anyone!
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May 23, 2013 22:36
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As much as I want Kisensato, who's my favorite of the Ozekis, to win the Yusho, I really think that Hakuho's going to demolish him. Hakuho's a monster and is wrestling really well.
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May 24, 2013 21:06
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Let's see if he wins this tournament before suddenly discussing possible Yokozuna-dom.
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May 25, 2013 02:29
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East is more prestigious. It always weirds me out that east is on the left and west is on the right in the banzuke. While I was rooting for Kisensato, Hakuho winning is cool by me. He's a lovable heel for me, in that I always root against him, but drat, he's a pleasure to watch. Kotooshu, on the otherhand, can get hosed. Way sad that he managed his kk. I don't like Kotooshu or Kotoshogiku, but at least Kotoshogiku is amazing at one thing (his bear-hug then belly-bump out move). Kotooshu is just depressingly vanilla. It will be interesting to see if Gagamaru's turned a corner, or if his great tournament was just a result of being down at M11. Assuming he's up at M4-5 or so next tourney, I wonder if he can stay balanced or if it'll be another belly-flop tourney for him.
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May 27, 2013 01:36
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Anime Reference posted:I suspect the fact that I first got into sumo while Hakuho was in his prime means all future yokozuna will be ruined for me. Sure, but even without Hakuho there's no way that Kisensato (who I like) deserves Yokozuna without for going 14-1 twice in a row (without the Yushos).
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Jun 25, 2013 03:28
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anakha posted:That raises an interesting question for me, one which I've never really thought about until now. I believe betting on sports is illegal in Japan.
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Jul 17, 2013 06:11
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Well, unfortunately this tournament really turned me against Kisenosato. I feel bad because he was my favorite Ozeki, but the obvious favoritism he receives just isn't cool. I get that it's rough to have your national sport dominated by outsiders, but the current restriction on foreigners (one per stable, even if they become citizens) is bad enough, it's bullshit that Japanese wrestlers also get special treatment on top of that. Watching Baruto destroy people next tournament from M10-14 or so should be amazing. I'd be surprised if he did much worse than 12-3. Osunaarashi is crazy, because in addition to his obvious notoriety (Egyptian, shot up the ranks at lightning pace), he looks straight up stronger than anyone else he's wrestling against. Not even "a bit stronger", but ludicrously so. His technique is pretty bad though. Hopefully he can get his KK from the top of Juryo next tournament and we can see him in Makuuchi in November.
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Jul 21, 2013 19:28
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Dr.Radical posted:No Endo talk? I'm surprised. The dude destroyed Juryo this basho. I'd like to see how he does in Makuuchi. I think he'll probably be like Chiyotairyu. Really talented but ultimately needs more experience to become great. Endo's cool, but Osunaarashi overshadowed him for me (even though he beat him), just because of the storyline. Looking forwards to seeing Endo in Makuuchi though. There's no way that Baruto goes to Juryo from M6. Worst thing they'd do is stick him at M16 or something. That said, I really want to see the 15-0 destruction that would come from Baruto in Juryo.
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Jul 23, 2013 04:36
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Ahaha. Oh god. If he goes 14-1 it'll be a disappointment.
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Sep 3, 2013 17:21
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Noooooooo.... That's terrible It wasnt that long ago we all thought he'd be the second Yokozuna.
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Sep 12, 2013 03:12
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If you look at Hakuho at about 9:10 into Kinta's video, you can see a good bit of blood coming from the area around his eye. Even Gods can bleed, evidently. But yeah, Hakuho is so good it's unreal. No idea on the hairpull, seems like it could go either way. It certainly wasn't obviously one.
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Sep 29, 2013 04:57
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Uncle Jam posted:I think these days an announcement immediately starts to not throw the zabuton but people do it anyway. I mean come on. The best was back 3-4? tournaments ago when Hakuho lost like 3 times in 5 days and purple cusions were everywhere, all the time.
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Nov 18, 2013 05:51
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I just want Osunaarashi to get his KK. Then this will have been a good basho. It'll be an awesome basho if 14-0 Harumafuji beats 14-0 Hakuho.
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Nov 20, 2013 05:45
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I'm fine with Kakuryu's promotion. As far as Im concerned, 14-1 with a playoff loss to Hakuho is as good as a Yusho. And he did beat Hakuho last tournament, he just couldn't do it twice in a row.
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Mar 23, 2014 19:52
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Diplomat posted:Banzuke has been updated Haha, those are the best sekiwake ever. This basho will be awesome
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Oct 27, 2014 02:10
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Yeah, that's some serious bullshit.
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May 6, 2015 05:30
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That was a crazy-good first day
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Mar 13, 2016 22:29
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M13 to M3 for Endo - Gonna be a rough ride. Hopefully he's up to it. It's never fun to see 12-3 followed by like 3-12.
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For people like me who got into sumo because of this thread, I'm finding it really interesting to read up on the current wrestlers and follow some of the links to historical stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_sumo_wrestlers
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