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Elukka posted:I wonder if they'll address the question of what exactly it is that Eldar corsairs steal if you're going to be playing as them
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Eldar go into martial/death cult mode a lot, so maybe pirating is the species relief valve for the ones who aren't quite ready to go all the way yet but still need to work through some issues.
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Jan 5, 2024 19:27
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I'm taking credit for manifesting this book into existence
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Wonder if they'll give rules and equipment for all the aspect warriors or just a couple new ones.
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Some of them should be survivable encounters, so I'd hope for a decent range.
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So, Dark Heresy obviously got the update treatment (and now has IM taking a really similar tack) - is there anything in Wrath and Glory to support Rogue Trader's play scheme? Did anyone ever make some kind of hack of it to the DH2 style rules?
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spectralent posted:So, Dark Heresy obviously got the update treatment (and now has IM taking a really similar tack) - is there anything in Wrath and Glory to support Rogue Trader's play scheme? Did anyone ever make some kind of hack of it to the DH2 style rules? Imperium Maledictum at least let's you play as people working for a Rogue Trader, so you can tell a lot of the same stories.
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Teensy review of the Eldar book since I'm still working through the campaign/lore writing in it: Comprehensive rules for just about every job and weapon any eldar miniature has ever had, across 4 different subfactions. If you were already running with the abundance of apocrypha fan made book you might find the crunch part of this book a bit overfamiliar, a lot of equipment has nearly the same values. Art wise I was a bit disappointed since while there's a handful of new commissioned art exclusive to this book, a lot is just the old eldar art you always see. First time I've seen a black eldar character though in official art, so thats neat. Fluff wise I think the book does a really good job of laying out tips for gms and players about how to play space elfs differently from human characters, including tips for mixed parties, which is appreciated. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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My Dark Heresy game is revisiting Necromunda. I just realized that a ton of new source material has been written with the new edition of the specialist game, though - If I wanted to read the new source material, preferably without having to buy all the rulebooks for a mini game I don't play, is there somewhere I could do that? Failing that, can I write some of you folks who have the books my questions? Thanks!
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Sharkopath posted:Teensy review of the Eldar book since I'm still working through the campaign/lore writing in it: Glad you are enjoying the book, and more is to come with Vow of Absolution (which I also worked on), plus more still to be released.
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We put out the first of our three part series looking at Imperium Maledictum, where we will look at the setting, character creation, and gameplay. http://podcast.darker-days.org/e/253-deep-dives-imperium-maledictum-part-1/
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Cool, quite interested in it, so will give it a listen.
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Ugh it turns out Dan Abnett wrote a canon version of the final battle of the Horus Heresy and basically confirmed all the existing lore. That sucks! I love it when 10,000 year old records have errors and omissions and fanfic inserted by later scribes and then modern scholars argue about it for generations. Ollanius Pious is an interesting character when he's inserted by later chroniclers who assume that the patron saint of the Guard was a real person and put him in because that's now the tradition 3,000 years later. There's nothing whatsoever interesting about him just getting murked by Horus. Somebody was a big baby and complained about spoilers for something that happened 10,000 years ago Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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I haven't read it yet so whatever, but: There was always a pretty clear deal with the HH books, in that they discuss what actually happened. It has no bearing on how gloriously messed up 40K is, as no one in the 40K Imperium wants to remember what actually happened, nor to have an original thought. You can just not care and carry on as usual, that's what I do.
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I've been working on the assumption for years now that the Horus Heresy novels are the equivalent of fictionalized historical dramas about a hypothetical "real" historical period that we have no direct access to, the fictional equivalent of the Black Books' biased, half-informed in-character historical nonfiction. Some of the novels are probably really close to accurate; some of them are about as accurate as Braveheart. Which ones are which? Who knows! (But then I'm a weirdo about this; I also like the take that Fury Road is a later populist retelling of a real road war perpetrated by the rebellious Imperator Furiosa against Immortan Joe into which "Mad" Max Rockatansky has been anachronistically inserted by the teller as a folk hero, because it's a cultural convention that Mad Max always shows up in stories of that sort from around that era, where "that era" sprawls further forward and backwards from Max's probable lifespan as time goes on.) Stephenls fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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Feb 5, 2024 22:22
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Canon is a fake idea made up by big story to sell more narrative.
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Stephenls posted:I've been working on the assumption for years now that the Horus Heresy novels are the equivalent of fictionalized historical dramas about a hypothetical "real" historical period that we have no direct access to, the fictional equivalent of the Black Books' biased, half-informed in-character historical nonfiction. Some of the novels are probably really close to accurate; some of them are about as accurate as Braveheart. Which ones are which? Who knows! Isn't it outright stated at the start that the following is a later story ("word-burgers of the history men" or somesuch)?
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spectralent posted:Isn't it outright stated at the start that the following is a later story ("word-burgers of the history men" or somesuch)? Yup.
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If you wanted to actually salvage a ship from a space hulk, how would you have to go about it? I mean it's at the least very Spooky, and at the worst infested with horrible xenos. And it's a big lift operation. How would a rogue trader frigate even begin to salvage a light cruiser?
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Tow it and invest in a lot of duct tape.
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And be prepared to just cut away large chunks of it that are too tainted by chaos.
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Arglebargle III posted:If you wanted to actually salvage a ship from a space hulk, how would you have to go about it? I mean it's at the least very Spooky, and at the worst infested with horrible xenos. And it's a big lift operation. How would a rogue trader frigate even begin to salvage a light cruiser? Forays into the dark interior, fighting the desperate cannibalistic crew and other interlopers from the rest of the hulk, following ancient blueprints to key locations where the techpriest performs repairs using scavenged material. Last stands in the engine room as the damaged reactor cooks the combatants alive.
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It's a pretty big undertaking, so I'd think of it as invading, pacifying, and taking over the infrastructure of a hostile or at least anarchic city. You'd be establishing a base on the hulk and living there while you use a combination of manual exploration, checking ship systems, and running scans from your own ship to figure out where the part you wanna salvage even begins and ends. You can compress it of course, but cutting a ship away from a hulk in one piece could easily be an entire campaign and an even half functional ship is one of the biggest rewards a party could ask for.
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Arglebargle III posted:If you wanted to actually salvage a ship from a space hulk, how would you have to go about it? I mean it's at the least very Spooky, and at the worst infested with horrible xenos. And it's a big lift operation. How would a rogue trader frigate even begin to salvage a light cruiser? e: You could probably sucker an entire noble house from one of your planets to do it, though Nessus fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Pharmaskittle posted:It's a pretty big undertaking, so I'd think of it as invading, pacifying, and taking over the infrastructure of a hostile or at least anarchic city. You'd be establishing a base on the hulk and living there while you use a combination of manual exploration, checking ship systems, and running scans from your own ship to figure out where the part you wanna salvage even begins and ends. You can compress it of course, but cutting a ship away from a hulk in one piece could easily be an entire campaign and an even half functional ship is one of the biggest rewards a party could ask for. Yeah I'm thinking this might actually be a leave and come back later type situation. They're on their way to do the Glory's Messenger endeavor from Faith and Coin, so they don't know it but if they are successful they'll have an imperial navy cruiser escorting them home and in the mood to do them a favor. It would be a lot easier to pull the light cruiser off the surface of the hulk with 100,000 more bodies and a cruiser to pass them a tow. A secret light cruiser just waiting for a properly equipped expedition is exactly the kind of thing that could result in interesting crew events as the command crew tries to make sure nobody on Footfall or Damaris or any other port finds out about their space hulk treasure.
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Arglebargle III posted:Ugh it turns out Dan Abnett wrote a canon version of the final battle of the Horus Heresy and basically confirmed all the existing lore. That sucks! I love it when 10,000 year old records have errors and omissions and fanfic inserted by later scribes and then modern scholars argue about it for generations. Ollanius Pious is an interesting character when he's inserted by later chroniclers who assume that the patron saint of the Guard was a real person and put him in because that's now the tradition 3,000 years later. There's nothing whatsoever interesting about him just getting murked by Horus. In Horus Heresy "Ollanius Pious" is in-universe fabrication, born by a future Inquisitor Moriana co-opting a story spreading around common soldiers about a grenadier Ollanius "Olly" Piers and combining it with her comrade Ollanius Persson to come up with an inspiring legend. Piers defended a banner depicting the Emperor against a Chaos Space Marine successfully (and later died doing the same against Angron), and the story started spreading and changing in each re-telling, with Olly joking with a historian that he should write it down as a common soldier defying Horus himself, and not for just a banner, but the Emperor himself. When Moriana heard the story among soldiers, she jumped right on that, and inserted what she liked to think happened to her comrade Ollanius. Ollanius "Oll" Persson was one of Emperor's old buddies from pre-history, but who had walked out on his rear end tens of thousands years earlier and then laid low. Before the Heresy started, he was a ex-soldier turned farmer, but he got caught up in the bullshit. He died trying to buy Emperor precious seconds to get up, but Moriana explicitly does not know what happened to him, she just used the already existing story about different Ollanius as a framework. So "Ollanius Pious" was never a real person in-universe 40k, he's legend based on two different people, Ollanius Piers, who was a common soldier who died defending a banner of the Emperor and Ollanius Persson who died defending the Emperor, but nobody actually knows he did that. Warden fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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A final twist in the Ollanius Persson plot-- and something the author later clarifies as a portion of his thesis on the relationship between the imperium and truth -- is that it turns out that the story Moriana fused together as a "good-sounding lie" is 100% accurate regarding what happened outside her direct knowledge and second-hand witness. The last defender of The Emperor really was a guardsman, he really did defend Him with a lasgun, Horus did indeed obliterate him. After aaallllllllll of the crazy poo poo Ollanius went through and despite all of the insane additional detail on the plot threads happening at that same time, the core of the Guard's pride here is actually accurate, followed shortly by just a father, killing his son, with a rock. End scene with the first prayers sung to the corpse emperor.
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I feel like the biggest pushback to the conclusion of the series I've seen / overheard so far both online and playing 10th ed / AoS is that the last book raises the question of actual hope for the first time basically since WH40K was created. Something unforseen has panicked the four ruinous powers. They they did not see until way too late, and it doesn't seem like they intervened at the end quickly enough for then-penitent Horus to save them. We are now positioned for the setting to continue to progress in a way that started with Cadia falling. I think three prospect of more progress is alarming some fans, particularly the grognard among us. I'm looking forward to the setting continuing to break its traditional bonds of stagnancy, and I'm holding out hope for the RT computer game to birth a new RT roleplaying book set in M42. Roleplaying is resurgent, and the quality of Warhammer's recent games is slowly expanding the fanbase. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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I think wrath and glory sort of supports rogue trading
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Jesus Christ I thought that Olly Piers and Olly Persson were the same character at different times because of warp bullshit.
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Imperium Maledictum will almost certainly get a Rogue Trader supplement one day after they get the Inquisition and the AdMech out of the way
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Arglebargle III posted:Ugh it turns out Dan Abnett wrote a canon version of the final battle of the Horus Heresy and basically confirmed all the existing lore. That sucks! I love it when 10,000 year old records have errors and omissions and fanfic inserted by later scribes and then modern scholars argue about it for generations. Ollanius Pious is an interesting character when he's inserted by later chroniclers who assume that the patron saint of the Guard was a real person and put him in because that's now the tradition 3,000 years later. There's nothing whatsoever interesting about him just getting murked by Horus. someone reported this post for spoilers. I have no idea if this is really spoilery or not, but since this book is brand new, let's err on the side of caution and use spoiler tags for stuff about the contents OK? Thanks folks.
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Potato Salad posted:
I think that there has been some broken telephone effect going on, because that is not a big mystery of any kind. They panicked because they initially thought that Emperor's last Hail Mary attack was futile, and thus were slow in returning the power Horus had set aside for a moment to him, to punish him and make it clear he is nothing but a puppet, but it turns out they were wrong. The Emperor did actually have a real shot of killing Horus, and they completely lost their poo poo when they realized that. What they didn't see until it was too late was that their plan was going to fail now. Thus, panic. The book lays out that while the conclusion of the Siege left them reeling and screaming initially, they later come to delight in the poo poo-hole of a setting that wh40 becomes. Instead of quick end and death, they get an eternity of a slow slide to an eventual victory.
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Arglebargle III posted:If you wanted to actually salvage a ship from a space hulk, how would you have to go about it? I mean it's at the least very Spooky, and at the worst infested with horrible xenos. And it's a big lift operation. How would a rogue trader frigate even begin to salvage a light cruiser? Life is cheap, shove tons of voidmen into escort haulers, have them cut it free while you fight off eventual stealers, orks and demons, put a tannenbaum in it and go. E: oof didn't see it was a cruiser. Anyway, the point of "hire more help" still stands. Perhaps you could even have your explorator revive the plasma engines while you blow it free from the hulk?
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Arglebargle III posted:I think wrath and glory sort of supports rogue trading More or less Sort of, based on my own experiences of playing in an RT themed campaign. There's no ship combat and the RT archetype doesn't really have all that much to do, or has that many interesting options either from what I remember.
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In the past I've been frustrated with how easy it is to build a broken explorator but in our last combat our tech priest caught a genestealer on his storm shield and popped its head with an inferno pistol like a grape in a microwave. So that was cool.
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Arglebargle III posted:I think wrath and glory sort of supports rogue trading It does. You can happily run a rogue trader captain, which then happily allows an "away team" made up of an eclectic mix of characters from almost any faction.
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Yeah, I'm playing in a Rogue Trader themed game at the moment, our party consists of the Trader themself, a sanctioned Psyker, a Sister of Battle, and me, the shipboard accountant. It's a lot of fun, we've been press ganged by an Inquisitor into tracking down some Chaos poo poo that he doesn't want to get his hands dirty with. Tooling around the Gilead system also gives great opportunities to, eg, short the market on Prometheum futures.
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