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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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So...is China Communist?

I'm sorry I know its probably somewhere in the OP but I read it and its just so "meaty".

How exactly is China defined? Communist? State Capitalist? Hybrid?

Every Chinese person I asked says something different.

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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zero alpha posted:

Largely state capitalist with an increasing number of 'free market' experiments known as Special Economic Zones. Hong Kong (which is a different story due to its history and British management) is probably the most laissez-faire place in history.

Communism was abandoned in 1979, and any remnant of Communist support is, ironically, frowned upon by the Communist Party. Bo Xilai tried to resurrect some Maoist nostalgia and was sacked, and the fact that he was also too charismatic and too good at weeding out corruption didn't help either.

There is a absurdly small possibility that the Communist Party are still actual communists, but just feel that China has not gone through the necessary (according to Marx) stages of development/industrialisation as of yet, and will go full communist again in 30 years. But there's a 0.00001% chance of that happening.

Ah. So State-Capitalist.

And yeah I watched a video on Hong Kong's business operation. To have a business you literally just sign a piece of paper and BAM you have a business! That was in 1999 though.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Question: Is China going to go further down the road of liberal economics, or is going to stay within the relative area it is now which involves heavy government intervention and projects? In other words is it likely that in the not so distant future China will be practicing neo-liberal economics or will it continue on with its state captialist model?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Question: Is there a sizable Chinese public/officials that still hold to the Marxist Communist ideals? Or are they all dead now?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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An interesting article I read: http://www.npr.org/2012/10/29/163622534/chinas-new-leaders-inherit-country-at-a-crossroads

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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I don't know about anyone else but I got a "yearning for ol' left" years from people interviewed in that NPR article, or at the very least a movement toward the left again (economic). I'm not sure why, I mean China has been doing very well.

Longanimitas posted:

Many of my college students here in China are unaware that they will soon have new leadership.

I was ironically talking to one of my Chinese friends here about the politics in China. She was actually talking about their upcoming "elections".

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Oct 30, 2012

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Interesting article.

Wonder how true this is.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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So what's the deal with this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcryuTkyXDM

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Wasn't there something where credit would be rated by what you buy? Like someone who buys videogames would get a credit penalty?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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So why did China decide to move more authoritarian and give that Xi guy so much power?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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I mean do they realize that if the U.S. seizes Hong Kong that there could very well be a catastrophic war?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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I lol at people saying that these Chinese politics people are speaking out against go against big business wishes. I'm sure these corporations will want oppressed minorities and the poor rocking the boat with their politics.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Why does Nigeria like China so much?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Fojar38 posted:

Wait R Guyovich has been banned?

Yes.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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What exactly is "The Epooch Times"? I keep seeing commercials for Youtube on it and it seems anti-Chinese. But looking it up it seems to be from some type of Chinese cult?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Tankies are just anti-American. If a country is anti-American then it is good.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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icantfindaname posted:

I don't think the categorical label of "state capitalist" is all that helpful or insightful. Clearly there are political intentions behind economic decisions in the state-owned economy besides simple profit/capital accumulation as the label would suggest. Maintaining employment in SOEs, infrastructure investment, and agricultural policy for self-sufficiency all would seem to me to plausibly fit the label socialist. At the same time there is a profit/accumulation focused state sector of the economy, and the private economy as well. The two operate in tandem and feed into/off of each other

The "State Capitalist" label and its application to the USSR as far as I understood it came from basically the nuttiest Trot sects, and is applied to basically any case where any economic growth or capital accumulation is happening at all

You can just think of it as a term that has evolved to mean something else. Much like "socialism" itself has.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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How accurate is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8wWoQ3_F00

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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I even find the eight hour workday to be ridiculous. Especially since it feels like most people don't spend all the much time "working".

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Raenir Salazar posted:

Fancy sounding titles doesn't make them executives jesus loving christ. Every single one of these people could be an ally to labour but I guess you're too good for their support, I wonder how well that's working out.

These "managers " and "executives" look barely older than teenagers.

Even in America a lot of companies use the title such as "manager" instead of "team lead".

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Managers keep track of production and have employees report to them on their progress and any issues they have. A better word for them would be "directors" of whatever department they are in. Even in a fully socialized world you would have managers, only they may be elected their subordinates (much like in higher education).

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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icantfindaname posted:

I don't think "becoming the next Japan" is really the boogie man scenario that financial journalists seem to think. Japan has done much better over the last 30 years than the bears predicted. Definitely there are problems but they aren't nearly as bad as most would have thought 20 or 30 years ago.

I always find it weird when people talk about Japan being in a "lost period". The absolute worst way you can frame Japan is that it has stagnated similar to the U.S.

EDIT - Actually no since the U.S. is technically declining in quality of life.

je1 healthcare posted:

Yes, "becoming the next Japan" would probably be a huge improvement for China. Even during their 'lost decade', Japan still held onto low unemployment rates, extremely low crime rates, and the highest life expectancy in the world. Which is maybe why GDP alone isn't the best barometer for the qualify of life within any country.

I use this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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Ardennes posted:

I wouldn't go too far, it is true that Japan didn't experience a real collapse but at the same type Plaza Accords, the QE of the 1980s and the accompanying property bubble was disastrous for Japanese society and it shows. The reason people stopped having kids (and haven't stopped) is because they couldn't afford them.

So like the West?

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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GoutPatrol posted:

I mean fertility rates in all the Asian Tigers started dropping in the 70s and never came back, almost a whole generation before the bubbles popped. If anything people should talk about how that trend in the 70s could have been a warning sign 20 years before. Every country had their post boomer slump, but the US then had the millennial small boom of the mid 80s/early 90s of boomers having kids, while much of the rest of the industrialized world didn't.

I wonder why countries such as Japan, Korea, and China struggle so much with immigration? Why would people much rather go to United States, U.K., Singapore, or even South Africa compared to say Japan, Korea, or China?

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

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It blows my mind how people don't understand why the workforce needs foremen or a pointman on staff.

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