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Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

I'm guessing the government already has Tiananmen Square on lockdown.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2014 01:43

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 06:23

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

I can freely get around everywhere without a car, to go to a restaurant that's actually just a dumpling stand some lady with a good recipe freely set up on the side of the road. She's free to have a pet cat roaming around that I can play with while I eat. I'm then free to buy a beer and drink it while walking down the street on my way into a pharmacy to buy nearly any medication I want without a prescription. I'm free from the worry of muggings, random acts of public violence, and harassment by the police. I can pretty much walk into any non-government building or area any time I want, and I can keep chickens in the stairwell of my apartment building. I can buy products that are almost exactly the same as more expensive brand name products, because in day to day life I'm mostly free of trademark and copyright restrictions. If I had a 5 year old son I'd be free to choose to not send him to school if I didn't want to, and I could send him down the street to the corner store to buy beer and cigarettes for me and I wouldn't worry about his safety. I'm free to ride the bus without paying and there's nothing they can do to stop me. I can eat cats and dogs if I want, and I could sell weird homemade hornet infused moonshine and nobody would stop me. That's not nearly an exhaustive list of things I can freely do in China that I couldn't do in the US.

And street making GBS threads, yes.

Van Buren posted:

The general tone would have been what you would expect from life under a stable military dictatorship facing no internal resistance: the majority of people enjoy safe and productive lives (more than they had prior to the Legion's arrival) but have no freedoms, rights, or say in what happens in their communities. Water and power flow consistently, food is adequate, travel is safe, and occasionally someone steps afoul of a legionary and gets his or her head cut off. If the Legion tells someone to do something, they only ask once -- even if that means an entire community has to pick up and move fifty miles away. Corruption within the Legion is rare and Caesar deals with it harshly (even by Legion standards).
In short, residents of Legion territories aren't really citizens and they aren't slaves, but they're also not free. People who keep their mouths shut, go about their business, and nod at the rare requests the Legion makes of them -- they can live very well. Many of them don't care at all that they don't have a say in what happens around them (mostly because they felt they never had a say in it before the Legion came, anyway)

# ¿ Sep 29, 2014 04:43

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

It's not a perfect fit by any means (not the same relentless expansio-well, wait a minute) but there was enough in common with Electro-Boogie Jack's description of "freedom" under the PRC that I couldn't resist.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2014 05:28

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Y'know, Boobylon, you're awfully insistent about how it's time to end the protest.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2014 20:41

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

icantfindaname posted:

Foxconn is in the PRC, right?

yes.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2014 02:41

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Where are you guys getting this ethnicity breakdown?

# ¿ Oct 10, 2014 18:58

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

As the OMB guidelines indicate, those are very specifically defined as the minimum categories- there are a number of other specific qualifiers in the actual regs. Race and ethnicity are relatively well-understood as fluid social constructs in the US, so I'm not so sure there's an orthodoxy on the number of them.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2014 19:05

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

TsarZiedonis posted:

So the police are tacitly working with organized crime to dismantle the protests? Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't that be crossing a massive metaphorical line in Hong Kong?

No- it's been an established practice in past days of the protest, and it's not exactly news for people living there, by my understanding.

# ¿ Oct 13, 2014 08:25

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Bloodnose posted:

I'm not sure. The SCMP reports that the security secretary's approval rating has dropped to zero. CY's business thingy is looking increasingly illegal, now the police have beaten up unarmed students (a good alternative to gas?). I can't think of anyone in the government with any legitimacy anymore.

I guess it's not a serious question because I don't expect anyone here to have an answer, but the Hong Kong government is just looking like a big useless pile of Uncle Tom's crap.

Do folks have really good unambiguous footage of police brutality? That's going to be helpful at this point.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2014 00:58

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Lady Galaga posted:

hm yes a two week old article, surely nothing could've happened in-between then and now to have changed the situation.

I'm not positive Lady Galaga was posting in earnest, either.

# ¿ Oct 20, 2014 00:29

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

I always suspected Kenny G was some sort of NSA superspook. Look at that man, he's a stone cold killer.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Oct 22, 2014

# ¿ Oct 22, 2014 19:42

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Grand Fromage posted:

Unless it doesn't live in spit.

It lives in spit.

# ¿ Oct 27, 2014 02:07

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

One of the big magnificent distinctions that Americans always struggle with in understanding Chinese or Russian government systems is the degree of transparency in terms of legal structure- the idea that you couldn't at least theoretically be able to just look up or call and ask and find out how something is at least supposed to work is pretty alien to us. This is a two-way street, though- I can still remember those infamously incompetent Russian spies from a couple years back whose mission was literally to find out things about the US government you can look up in a library or on a state government website- or that, at a minimum, the Russians could have gotten completely aboveboard by hiring a lawyer to do some legal research.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2014 18:27

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

drilldo squirt posted:

That's not opening for me for some reason, what's there?

Opensecrets is one of the better nonprofit journalism groups that, among other things, tries to identify sources of money in political campaigns and in politics in general- basically, what Vladimir Putin said, which, coincidentally, is probably what MIGF was referring to. I'm learning that MIGF's jokes are really oblique at times.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2014 21:39

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Zoe posted:

Hi thread I had a quick question for any of you actually living in Hong Kong: how upset are people about that goony-looking psycho murdering those prostitutes?

Any idea how much leeway is an insanity plea likely to buy him, is it as overused a defense in China as it is here?

I know here people would probably just flip to another channel without batting an eye but as far as I've heard violent crimes are a lot rarer over there, I'm genuinely curious how big of a deal is (or isn't) being made of something like this.

(Also, do they understand that even though he worked at Bank of America, it's actually all Britain's fault?)

Insanity almost never succeeds, at least under US law. The standard is very high, and at a minimum success translates to years of confinement to a mental health system that makes US prisons seem pleasant.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Nov 4, 2014

# ¿ Nov 4, 2014 06:23

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

You guys are missing the main story here.

quote:

Jutting is now in jail, charged with two counts of murder. On Monday he appeared at Hong Kong�s eastern magistrates court, a bulky figure, bearded, with black plastic glasses and dressed in a casual black T-shirt. His next court appearance will be on Monday.

Which chinagoons suddenly stopped posting around the same time?

# ¿ Nov 6, 2014 08:04

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

What do we mean by "failure", in the context of America, exactly? I'm not aware of any particular processes in the US that would create a situation parallel to the one being envisioned for China or Russia here.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2014 04:39

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Arglebargle III posted:

You guys have gone on for a page talking about fail without addressing what any of you mean by it.

There's been a fair amount of specific discussion of the multiple ways the Chinese economy is nearing a point of collapse.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2014 04:59

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Zo's rapsheet has 4 unambiguous counts of trolling, and a bunch of other charges that are trolling-related. I think he can safely be ignored.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2014 03:38

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

It would be difficult for it to be much more obvious that BurningDaeth is trolling.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2014 00:08

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

I'm a bit confused- Admiralty is cleared and I understand other forms of protest are being used there, but what about the other locations?

# ¿ Dec 15, 2014 03:13

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Jeoh posted:

universal suffering, universal suffrage, what's the difference

Ring or rage? Which do the people prefer?

# ¿ Dec 30, 2014 21:02

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Democracy Protestors return to Hong Kong Streets

Can anyone fill me in on what's really going on?

# ¿ Feb 2, 2015 20:22

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Fojar38 posted:

So I've been reading about the ongoing reaction to the AIIB's apparent success in luring American allies to sign on as founders. I expected that I would see lots of people arguing that it signifies a massive shift in political and economic power towards China and whatnot (which I can't say I agree with) but what I did not expect was the abject thrill that some people seem to find in the whole thing. I'm not just talking about your Xinhuas or even your SCMP's either. A bunch of western publications have op-ed pieces where people argue that its an irrevocable sign of American decline, that a new world order is at hand, that's it's great and it's about time that China took its place, etc. I never thought that I would see a diplomatic win by an authoritarian kleptocracy so widely celebrated in diplomatic and foreign affairs journals. What is it about China specifically that prompts this?

Ignorance.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2015 04:41

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

How are u posted:

I mean cheating is pretty rampant and prevalent throughout US universities so its not like we have some sort of moral high ground there, its just that you have to actually put some effort into your cheating so its not painfully obvious.

It's not all that prevalent- it's mostly that it's heavily discussed when it happens on any scale. It's certainly a norm violation in some/most of the US in a way that apparently isn't the case in some parts of China.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2015 22:19

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

It occurs to me that there's a good Gangsta Paradise rewrite available here.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2015 16:49

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Imperialist Dog posted:

Any truth to the story that the HKU Chancellor will implement a mandatory mainland exchange programme for all students in 2022?

Yes. source.

# ¿ Apr 19, 2015 14:29

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Exchange program with Chinese characteristics?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2015 02:06

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

whatever7 posted:

Don't worry Hong Kongers, your children will be using unified education textbooks in 32 years.

I'm pretty sure the full system overhaul is planned for five years.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2015 06:24

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

It's not that implausible- China has, by all accounts, fairly poor institutional ethics controls, even on a global scale. There's a reason the US is still getting their best scientists.

# ¿ Jul 1, 2015 18:00

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

I think there are a number of worse places, but they have a) less money, b) less power, c) smaller population and d) smaller footprint, making institutional and social ethics norms challenges in China harder to address.

# ¿ Jul 1, 2015 22:06

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

You're describing car sales in the US- magnificent. Do you have a source we can use?

# ¿ Jul 3, 2015 05:04

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

cheesetriangles posted:

If the government is willing to just dump money into this coal fire maybe buying isn't as dumb as it sounds as long as you get out before it pops for good.

Breaking news: RMB now pegged to Bitcoin.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2015 02:34

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

I am looking forward to it.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2015 19:40

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Whaddayou asking me for?!

# ¿ Sep 5, 2015 07:56

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

The US should also build a tiny island in the South China Sea, but not declare it as US territory. Instead they should actively deny that it has any sovereign value and establishes international legal precedent.

Alternately, a formally recognized US-backed Sealandia in the South China Sea. We could open a McDonald's there.

# ¿ Oct 27, 2015 18:45

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Jeoh posted:

you can take our booksellers but you will never take our fish balls

New thread title? The current one's rather outdated.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2016 07:51

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

China Megathread - Fish making GBS threads and Streetballs- no, wait

# ¿ Feb 10, 2016 07:52

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

It appears that the Chinese system is unique among the three in that it can and will disappear people completely, without any stated reason.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2016 16:15

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 06:23

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

The US hadn't ratified the relevant statute- I'm not clear on whether China has. That would make a significant difference. The US is much better than pretty much the rest of the world at selectively excluding itself from international agreements.

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It's more than that- the US usually has a much better legal case to disregard international legal findings than other countries. The US is much, much better at international law than Russia or China, both of which prefer propaganda for domestic consumption over anything like legal argumentation.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jul 12, 2016

# ¿ Jul 12, 2016 20:02

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