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Mans posted:Where's the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction? Where's the bodies of the babies that were ripped out of incubators in Kuwait? Where in Afghanistan did we find Bin Laden? this is the sort of whataboutism which is so excruciatingly transparent and boring and rote that its really why weirdly one-note china apologists basically have to have canned responses ready for when they get called whatabouters for all the painfully straightforward whatabouting. like, it isn't even mixed up or made fresh at all, it's just a textbook play. bless
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ronya posted:(Zhang here is certainly betting very heavily that the CCP maintains a solid domestic reputation for competence, decisiveness, and far-sightedness, even as takeoff growth eases off - certainly this view of itself doesn't allow the CCP to plead, as the CPSU did during the Brezhnev stagnation, temporary difficulties) State Capitalism With Pretending-Its-Communism Characteristics has been such a wonderful bet for them to take in this jank-rear end neoliberalized world we have
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Jul 4, 2021 21:03
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Yeah china will just have to farm their ice asteroids the old fashioned way, by rocket-shippe
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Jul 5, 2021 04:59
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quote:There are many things wrong with this, first of course is you're making a fallacious analogy here between the difficulty a bridge on Earth of an arbitrarily long length and making a space elevator when these are such completely different engineering challenges as to not even be apples and oranges but the difference between a piece of fruit and an asteroid. This is an analogy with zero basis in fact. You're not building a 70,000 km bridge of concrete and steel up into the sky, that's a fantasy completely out of left field and wrong that you don't seem to understand what a space elevator even is. even if this were the right thread for this kind of thing as opposed to some kind of Megastructure Dream Theory Stellarisposting thread, your eagerness to scrap on the subject isn't helping make sky elevator advocacy come off as grounded and reasonable. also china is not going to be making a space elevator
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Jul 5, 2021 05:24
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Raenir Salazar posted:why do you think China wouldn't be making one; if they had the means? why wouldn't china be making mecha or ringworlds or dyson spheres if they had the means? should we waste time on the discussion? myself i am patiently waiting for china to achieve Zero Active Turbo-Gross Genocides, which will be a greater achievement than any of those things and more pertinent in any sense
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Jul 5, 2021 06:07
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Rent-A-Cop posted:French is a degenerate form of Kreyòl some guy from forever ago: pal franse pa di lespri pou sa much later, jedi master qui-gon: yeah what he said
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Jul 20, 2021 20:42
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why do i have to live in a time where the most zealously visible modern inheritors of duane gish's dogmatic bullshiting techniques are a bunch of dumb as gently caress leftists who use it to relentlessly cape for dictators who aren't even communists? i'll take my question off the air as i have to publish my report from the American North-American Caucasian Appalachian Research Center about how the native american genocide never happened
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Aug 2, 2021 00:17
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Fortaleza posted:Really gotta put qualifiers on it though, when people say just “genocide” the meaning is systematic death and eradication, which clearly isn’t happening. Better to say “cultural genocide”, any dumb motherfucker comes up to me and says "the indian schools in america weren't systematically intending to kill the indians, even if a bunch die in the process, so it's not genocide" they're being a shitwad about it. likewise with what china is doing. it's genocide. qualifiers loving nothing, it's genocide quote:that way what you say might actually be correct and you can go from there. am correct, is happening, hth
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Aug 2, 2021 12:30
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thank god that so many of you dumb motherfuckers got nothing to do but elaborately craft new exclusions for classifications of genocide because apparently the hill worth dying on these days is making sure to stand up for rigorously dictatorial countries because they self-identify as communist and apparently now it's really important to carve out very specific exclusions for the definition of genocide to spare their government's national image bad press for doing genocide poo pooNeurolimal posted:I think it more accurately fits the definition of ethnic cleansing (which can constitute attempts to fundamentally change an ethnic culture) rather than genocide; to my knowledge China is not trying to eradicate its Uyghur population, rather the culture that it views as dangerous (being a reaction to funded Uyghur insurgents, making it akin to WW2 japanese internment camps). the indian residential schools in the US and Canada, which were genocide, did their genocide not by trying to eradicate the indians but by keeping their children in camps designed to forcefully eradicate their culture and make them into obedient subclasses, as part of a genocidal campaign of extermination again the only correct action is to observe and acknowledge these events as genocide, and the simpering moron action is to reclassify this as "not actually genocide" because it is necessary to rewrite what china is doing as also not actually genocide
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Aug 4, 2021 00:19
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AtomikKrab posted:How Salty is China going to be that the US pulled out in front in the gold medal count at the very end? we pulled out ahead? so i have to switch from sour grapesing the olympics to being really smug and caring about it from the beginning?
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Aug 9, 2021 04:46
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another thing to remember is that a genuinely important percentage of the USSR 'opening up markets' was motivated by the fact that the markets were there they simply could not control black market trade anymore and it had become a necessarily entrenched part of what everyday people had to use just to get by they could not crack down on the private markets anymore, they could only further attempt to criminalize systems that were increasingly necessary to interact with as a russian citizen, and, you know, that had been going swimmingly that china has not committed to the same idealistic mistakes is simply just a credit to it as a sustainable power. it's not "become invaluable to the Western economy so they don't gently caress you" it's "if you centrally manage the economy and allow no private trade, any failure of access to anything from food to durable goods is your fault" and "when it's inevitably your fault, the markets will come"
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Aug 22, 2021 19:15
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Ardennes posted:I guess it depends on what you want to call a communist country at this point. at a baseline i'm gonna say that no credible system of worker's ownership of production, ongoing purges of actually marxist thought from academic and public circles, full state adoption of the sundry capitalist incentives that would make your staunchest corporatist blush, precipitous economic stratification, etc lead to a real interesting conversation about what we should consider the minimum viable thresholds for a country being actually communist and for what reason china gets to be considered within them. i don't fish for attitudes on it often but an embarrassingly large portion of the time the response i get back is hey it's OK because they pinky promise that the wealth-protecting authoritarianism and remarkable quantity of billionaires we all just watching is of course just part of the vanguard plan to True Communism
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Aug 23, 2021 00:05
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At a baseline, I'm gonna say that: 1. no credible system of worker's ownership of production, 2. ongoing purges of actually Marxist thought from academic and public circles, 3. full state adoption of the sundry capitalist incentives that would make your staunchest corporatist blush, 4. precipitous economic stratification, etc lead to a real interesting conversation about what we should consider the minimum viable thresholds for a country being actually communist—and for what reason China gets to be considered within them. I don't fish for attitudes on it often, but an embarrassingly large portion of the time, the response I get back is: "hey, it's OK, because they pinky promise that the wealth-protecting authoritarianism and remarkable quantity of billionaires we all just watching is, of course, just part of the vanguard plan to True Communism" _ i have shamefully, in my weakness, left "we all" intact and sub-appropriately recolonized to appropriate white english standards but the rest of it should be, as they say, more accessibly legible now
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Aug 23, 2021 00:22
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Marxism is attaching managerial role language in on-paper job titles so that any promises of worker's liberation or protections of labor do not apply to them anymore because they're not workers. the more employees subject to this "one weird trick" that voids any consideration of them in assurances to the proletariat, the more Marxismer it is
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Sep 2, 2021 03:57
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Cpt_Obvious posted:For example, your low income grocery store manager may not make a whole lot more than your average shelf stocker (twice as many pennies are still pennies), but it is his job to enforce the drudgery of the workplace. He's still the one who docks you for being late, sitting down on the job, or taking too long on your break. These are all directly in opposition to what the worker wants, and perfectly in line with what his employer wants. when you've metasectioned labor concepts to the point where you're trying to say "the manager of the grocery store / wendy's / concrete fill digsite isn't a worker anymore because they do what his employer wants" you've lost the plot
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Sep 2, 2021 05:15
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How are u posted:I spent a year working in a fast casual restaurant chain and the managers worked their bodies to the loving bone. Then the regional manager would pop in once in a while to take them into the walk-in to threaten to fire them for not hitting ridiculous metrics, reducing those women to tears more than once. The managers were just as exploited as us line workers and cashiers. i still remember the not-infrequent days as a construction subcontractor where i slotted in for site boss because existing site bosses would get called away to clusterfucks on the larger commercial jobs during our grueling summer time overages, and i could monitor and fill out requisite safety paperwork as needed on those days. it was rather exhilarating to spontaneously metamorphose into Not A Worker Actually and have my class interests radically re-align against the workers as many as three times a week! i'm also so glad in a later job i had my title upgraded from QA to QA manager for a raise of $nothing and 10 extra hours of work in a department of one person. i will never forget the cracking sounds as i transformed from worker to tool of the corporation, my interests being subsumed in the Will of the Employer genuinely at that point of axiomatic priors of asserted marxist theory, it's lost critical application to reality and even now looks weird on paper
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Sep 2, 2021 07:25
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Judakel posted:It isn't based on axiomatic priors. Managers just add nothing of value in terms of labor performed, much like capitalists. if it was once more my first day on the job at a metalworking plant and someone was like "we have no managers, they add nothing of value" i would walk off into the sunset, avoiding the ridiculously early opportunity to die to a lockout tagout override by some dumb impatient rear end in a top hat guaranteed no greater or lesser oversight capacity than any other laborer what fantastical notions we're confronting here
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Sep 2, 2021 07:43
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Judakel posted:I am not surprised that a manager think this way about the workers they supervise. I'd wager a key part of being a middleman is believing the world would stop without you there. buddy i don't care if the manager believed or cared the world would stop without them there, because i wasn't them, i was the dumb motherfucker keeping the line clean and occasionally squirming around in the Death Gears. what i cared about is that there was qualified experts with training given a supervisory role to maintain workplace safety regulations and oversee tagout to ensure people like myself did not find themselves turned into tread hamburger because of some other dumb motherfucker nowhere in the entire world, not even in the most heavily marxist attempts at anything, were there things like vehicle manufacturing or metalworking or specialized equipment plants successfully run without managerial oversight. y'all could probably wander into a north korean produce processing plant and marvel at how they unsurprisingly have managers like everywhere else on earth trying to do anything involving highly specialized trade or dangerous equipment
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Sep 2, 2021 07:54
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well you just let me know how magical cooperative non-hierarchical manufacturing plants fare without any sort of managerial structure once we reach whatever fantasy n-th level of marxism that's supposed to be and the conditions for their existence could ever, ever, ever conceivably come about i will elect to never work in one so as not to be hard-pressed in a less fun way, cheers
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Sep 2, 2021 08:02
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Judakel posted:As I've said, co-ops have a managerial structure in the form of workers' self-management, but those that would be managers would not ONLY be managers. excellent, yes, i was starting to wonder when the tortured caveats would come in, and i am not disappointed "carl, i know you're supposed to be managing plant safety for your entire shift, and i know that's really hard work you received specialist education for and needed years of qualifying experience, but now that means you're not a worker and you provide nothing of value anymore. in order to satisfy the Judakel Standard Of Being A Manager But Its Ok Because You're Not Being A Manager Like That, you need to go wander away from your safety oversight duties and do a minimum standard of providing something non-managerial ... like sweep a floor or something for at least an hour. just do that and your vital oversight concept is now no longer incompatible with the revolution."
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Sep 2, 2021 08:17
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Judakel posted:If you can't tell the difference between a professional managerial class (with a "specialist" education) and a worker who performs the essential duties currently given to the "specialist" manager while also doing other work, then I don't know what to tell you. i cannot in good conscience carry this on much longer to deposit in the hands of weary thread moderators tomorrow, but we at least chanced at precisely what makes it so tortured: there are essential managers who just do managerial work, and you're trying to walk the fact. that's it. cpt_obvious just doesn't know what he's talking about, and it turned into this. you will have effectively essential managerial oversight positions in any specialized industrial scenario that categorically require managerial positions held by people who provide vital oversight - even if they work entirely in a managerial capacity and do nothing else. you can tell me "well there's a type of managerial class which IS useless" and i won't disagree, but neither will i find it remotely relevant. in any battle to undo capitalist hegemony over things like industrial production and bring egalitarian conditions to workers in general, this condition will not be bypassed and i don't want to gently caress with attempts to idealistically move past it. i already know the game at this point, which will involve this turning into a semantic dispute about when what you can call 'a manager' is a different essential category and actually that kind of 'management' is obviously okay, but i don't see any need to participate in it so that's that i guess Android Blues posted:And as anyone who's worked in a white collar environment knows, meaningless titles like Junior Executive for Sales Development or Market Research Co-Ordinator are often given out in lieu of raises to placate employees who know their pay needs to rise at least in line with inflation, and are starting to grumble about it, but who might be mollified by a fancy new title they can put on their resumé. i did this once and am still shocked and appalled that my being a worker ended that day, in spite of all the ... you know, work i was also foolish enough to have been mollified
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Solaris 2.0 posted:We should feel solidarity with people being exploited by capitalism whether they are in China, America, or anywhere in the world. Not attacking them because they don’t meet some weird obtuse definition of what a “true” worker is. fuckin agreed, man the modern trend in china has been a capitulation to surprisingly thorough and institutionally hardened worker exploitation, currently existing in such extent that i feel relatively thankful for my own lot in life in a neoliberal hellhole which is not supposed to be a favorable comparison. this is ... not a good thing "indulging in increasingly tormented exclusionary delineations of which exploited workers are Workers™ actually" feels like the exact wrong way to approach this, to an extent you can almost question if its intentionally fissiparous
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Sep 2, 2021 20:33
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SlothfulCobra posted:https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-entertainment-business-religion-china-62dda0fc98601dd5afa3aa555a901b3f why do all autocratic governments inevitably start doing the same dramatic, culturally paranoid autocrat poo poo why is it always a direct path towards all this increasingly hyperreflexive bullshit, growing in intensity until it is like a farce
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Sep 3, 2021 19:13
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no hay camino posted:It seems very paternalistic: not very long ago they did the same thing with a series of edicts against entire musical and cultural genres, specifically targeting stuff that emulated blackness, hip-hop, rap, urban clothing and any related style of tattoos. they were vanished from television. music figures got got, it was like the tipper gore poo poo on steroids. bling was cropped out or literally just pixel blurred now let's move our sights to intensifying the war against the next depraved vulgarity infecting our precious children: effeminacy
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Sep 3, 2021 20:23
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In two months covid 0 redefined again into "no cases reported outside of cases" covid 0 celebrated as total success, cheer screams from balconies in locked buildings are heard in constant adulation of party
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GlassEye-Boy posted:No it hasn’t. What’s the alternative fucko? A million dead? The choice is not a binary and the alternatives include such hits as "don't double down on poo poo which isn't working and requires greater degrees of self defeating dystopian horseshit to maintain"
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May 8, 2022 05:25
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SoggyBobcat posted:
Sometimes it feels like "gotta have something to talk about besides the thing that didn't happen and the genocide that also isn't happening or if it is it is for perfectly acceptable reasons" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 5, 2022 07:06
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Polybius91 posted:Nice to see that even when presented with evidence to the contrary, libs will dig their heels in and insist on the inferiority of the savage oriental to the enlightened west These sorts of stunts start out funny but quickly become obnoxious because they're using claims of racism as argumentative fallback in a way which cheapens everything
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Jun 6, 2022 05:02
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News this very early a.m. had crazy looking footage for china
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Nov 28, 2022 09:37
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quote:China's Covid Tsarina Sun Chunlan says the country is facing a new situation as Omicron is much less fatal and more people are vaccinated (FIRST OFFICIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT EVER). Thus, China needs to refine its Covid strategy. PATH TO REOPENING! Gonna be real weird watching pro covid zero containment people's arguments u-turn overnight all across the internet what with this being "sacrifice the people to keep line go up" 48 hours ago
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SlothfulCobra posted:They could've just given people effective vaccines before opening up, and that would've made the lockdowns worth something. I am never gonna understand why they would shut down entire cities, run containment facilities of varying, uh, hospitality levels, weld people in homes or whatever the gently caress that was, do all of the poo poo they did except for the thing that would have worked and was honestly pretty low on the draconian jackboot totalitarianism scale relative to all the poo poo they did throw down on for years until it was domestically unsustainable and causing riots They cranked the enforced containment dial way way up at enormous cost to their own economy and obviously went to great pains to prop that up for years against all the tension and hardship it was creating and they could have certainly argued it was worth it if it had been used to buy time to get effective and widespread vaccination coverage, especially among the eldery but apparently for some reason this was off the table
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If they haven't stopped reporting any remotely accurate covid death figures by now, then that's gonna stop real soon
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eSports Chaebol posted:It was a while ago but the woman in Florida did get arrested for refusing to fudge the numbers. If you're talking about Rebekah Jones, that's not what the arrest and charges were about it's not like that story isn't wild as gently caress beginning to end but
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Yeah suburbia can make for decent quarantine lockdown environment compared to city housing or whatever but everyone is still congregating just to live life, and covid was perfectly positioned to spread like that
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Jan 19, 2023 18:40
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eSports Chaebol posted:but why are there seemingly no real critiques of what’s actually happening in China? There's plenty of substantive critique but I guess this is really a question of how readily a participant can redefine "real critiques" of what's "actually happening" and dismiss the ones they don't think count
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Jan 19, 2023 23:04
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i fly airplanes posted:Well we had an entire day of Chinese media claiming this is a Pentagon smear job, only for the Chinese Foreign Ministry to finally admit that it's their balloon, and then blaming it on "force majeure". And then getting weird aggressive about that it got shot down ... in the airspace it was accidentally in that they admit it shouldn't be in
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Feb 5, 2023 05:43
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Neurolimal posted:I get that you don't like China, but you don't think making a national security case out of a Canadian weather balloon before engaging it with an F-22 wouldn't be seen as rude? Are we talking like in a parallel universe where the US and Canada aren't allies jointly operating with NORAD or what
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Neurolimal posted:drat, sounds like that'd make it extra rude. Feel free to replace "Canada" with "country unaligned with the USA that you have a favorable disposition toward", if that helps. What countries I have personally positive disposition to matters 0% but you could pick any of them and it is Still Rude to be responsible for that kind of airspace hazard with no heads up whatsoever and still Not Rude to down it in your own airspace Like if India had let a similar sized thing over Chinese cities and china downed it in equivalent circumstances this does not make china Rude and if modi responds to it with a "how dare u" that's equivalently laughable. Just bud don't be responsible for it being there unannounced in the first place
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MarcusSA posted:Oh I forgot the big one. Getting a Colorado family into reality TV
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MikeC posted:Everything points to the fact that it isn't a big deal and I would personally surmise that they might not have even bothered shooting it down if no one noticed or raised a fuss about it. But it was noticed this time, it went viral, and a response had to be given. When your spy balloon goes shoddy and drifts low enough it's visible from the ground and becomes a national news item that pretty much voids the "not a big deal" thing, it becomes a social issue and a diplomatic issue at large
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