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Dolash posted:First off great opening post, really informative and interesting to read, a lot of resources there. I have no idea what point you are making, that Chinese are not funny? I have no idea. Have you heard of Stephen Chow? He is basically like Jim Carrey but more talented. Try From Beijing with Love. Comedy doesn't translate well across culture is not a new thing, comedy make too many reference to the current events and people of its own culture. Only physical comedy translation well to the international market. Just take a look at "SNL movies", they don't sell oversea.
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french lies posted:More rumors! No coup, but the likelihood of very strong tensions within the party is high. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out over the coming weeks. This is my favorite of the part of following it on the Chinese forums. Take Wen Jiabao for example, he was at first referred to as "When" (sound like Wen), "Best Actor" (because he has been seen crying for the earthquake and other disasters). But those are becoming too obvious to the censorship. So the new nicknames are "baobao" (for this first name), and then "Teletubbie" (because Teletubbies are called "Antenna Babies" in Chinese.) Now it is just "Antenna". He is the one I am rooting for, he has been publicly stating a few time there need to be political reform in order to sustain the grow of China. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Mar 23, 2012 |
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Wang probably has actual dirt of the killing of Heywood, otherwise the Poliburo wouldn't used heywood case *publicly* to nail Bo. Also on the news article it referred to his wife as "Bo Gu Xiang-Lai" instead of "Gu Xiang-Lai". Mainland China never attach husband's last name to the wife's name. This could hint that Gu has changed her nationality and this is her official name on her new passport. This news is taken directly from xinhua website. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Apr 10, 2012 |
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The "casual walk" in Chongqing has the banners of "We want to eat!" and "Give back our Wang Seng district". It's probably a totally unrelated protect held at a very unfortunately timed moment. There are too many fake news, I can't tell if it's true. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Apr 11, 2012 |
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Ok I am going to try to translate this news item. Personally I believe it. These are all old news and the names checked out. I am actually more upset by these old news than the more currents rumors. It shows how deep the rabbit hole goes. 1587613_1334166679 quote:Xinhua reported yesterday, former Chongqing chief Bo Xilai has violated various laws and is being invested. His wife Bo-Gu Kailai and family staff Zhang Xiaojun were invloved in the murder of British businessman Neil Heywood. And they are being investigated. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Apr 13, 2012 |
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Typo posted:If you are in a first or second tier city or talking to one of its residents (which most westerner interaction with China is going to be) then Social unrest is very limited as is political participation. Because life for them is very good (pretty much on par with western standards for many) and some of them either believe the line that China's political process is needed for China (the Suzhi thing) or because they don't really think anything can be changed anyway. That's not a fair statement. First and 2nd tier cities residents faces much higher real estate pressure. The real estate cost has raised as much as 50% in the last 5 years.
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Arglebargle III posted:New Sinica is out. This one's about the environmental movement and environmental journalism in China. Can you buy Thai rice where you live?
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Fiendish_Ghoul posted:Looking forward to seeing if they think they can keep this quiet or go on the offensive to try to paint him as a running dog of western imperialists. Unfortunately, it could very well be the latter, as he has apparently received some kind of foreign funding: At least the Chinese Netizens know about him. It's disgusting that they are treating his family like that. Disgusting. I hope his family are treated well.
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Modus Operandi posted:I guess I just don't believe in hunting down the children or the children's children of despotic bureaucrats and making them pay with punitive measures or blood like it's ancient Rome. Collective responsibility is nonsense. Good luck with that because so many people in the world have benefited greatly from their ancestor's misdeeds. I haven't seen a shred of evidence Bo Guoguo is a good student. I don't see the point of derailing the thread. Fangz posted:I wouldn't be so sure. The Chinese government doesn't want a martyr at a sensitive time like this, and so far the guy has done everything right in terms of blaming the local authority and appealing to Wen Jiabao to take control. And thus far official statements have been very quiet. I imagine there's some careful discussions right now as to how to handle this. A Wukan style deal may well come. quote:I don't read the Bo incident as an embarrassment. Rather it has been a managed set of events that have enabled Beijing to remove a potential threat while retaining - even gaining public and international backing. I agree. It was set in motion some time last year (remember Bo Guoguo was dating Chen Yun's granddaughter and they splitted last year. The original plan was to use Wang Lijun to get Bo. A lot of Wang's men in Liaoling were investigated. They were going to nail Wang very soon. The goal was to make Wang talk as Bo's hitman and bring Bo down. The surprise was that 1) Bo was so stupid he refused to protect Wang, someone who kenw too much (and tried to "send" Wang to a mental hospital) 2) Bo and Wang start go at each other before the 18th Communist Congress. 3) Wang talked into American Embassy, which was a genius move. In retrospect, it was the only way to make sure him and his family's safety. 4) And the last surprise was that Bo family actually killed someone and Wang obtained the evidence. (Reportedly it was a piece of the body of that 007 dude.) So the parts about embassy and Heywood really gave the anti-Bo fractions more bullet to shoot but it also force the power straggle to come to the surface. Originally they probably wanted to use some "economic issues" to make Bo "retire" early. But now Bo could go the jail. His wife is definitely going to jail. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 29, 2012 |
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I haven't heard anything about him getting money from foreign bodies. The point of going to the embassy is that being able to have a dialogue with Beijing, with people who can actual call shots. If he stay in Shandong, he will get stuck in that horrible situation forever. Not seeking asylum IMO is the right decision. He need to stay in China for the sake of his family's safety. And IMO he is no longer in danger of getting thrown to jail. He have generated enough fame that the Chinese government will want to resolve this quietly with moderate compromise from all sides. Also Beijing want him to get the gently caress out of China. Most dissident as far as Beijing concerned, will lost his voice once he is safely live in a western country.
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hitension posted:I'm pretty sure PPL is a 五毛党 himself at this point Well he doesn't want to leave China. He shouldn't have to leave China. He has no done anything wrong and illegal.
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french lies posted:Me neither, but I do know a lot of famous dissidents like Yu Jie and LXB have had similar stories attached to them. If you look at those two, you can actually see a strong pro-US undercurrent running through their writings, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the US turned out to have been giving them money. CGC I don't know well enough to comment on, though chances are if he's being heard from in mainstream US media outlets, US money has been involved in some fashion. Obviously an one sided article written not by a regular person. By the way, 50 cent party is real. I mean they are actually government paid jobs, not lovely contractor jobs farmed out to part timers. Some times a local government is dumb enough to post job description and "group photos" online.
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mitztronic posted:Can you explain this or provide some sort of citation/credibility? I've seen this idea a few times and never understood it. I see alot of people with this view in the Chinese forum I hang out in. Basically Americans didn't stand up for injustice.
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After Philippine police's complete failure in rescuing the Hong Kong tourists, why would any Chinese tourist want to go to Philippine? Don't flatter yourself.
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The point about the 70 years thing is that non of the residential buildings has hit 70 year limit yet. Owning property goes against the communist doctrine thats why it was deliberately phased it that way. The party clearly doesn't want to make a decision on tge matter until the oldest buildings hit the 70 year limit. I remember when Guangzhou started allowing sales of apartments it was in mid 80s. My uncle used the money he earned as a chef in the US and brought a 3 bedroom apartment in Tianhe, which was in far east side of the city. You could still see tons of farm land at the time. Now Tianhe has become the new city center and the value of the apartment has multiple 20-30? times. OTHO, when my parents brought an apartment in early 90s it was in the far west side of the city and the property value hadn't gone up much before they gotten rip of it.
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GuestBob posted:All of this has been really interesting and I have a firmer understanding of what's going on, but I still have no idea how anyone could think that buying a new flat in a development on the outskirts of a T2 city would make money. The sheer volume of oversupply is staggering - especially when there are so few people renting and so many people living in extended family units. It's not like there is an influx of middle class people from the countryside either. Buying property has been the only sure fire way to make money in the last decade in China. If you brought an apartment in the early 00s, its value has at least doubled by now. If your had the good sense to buy a second apartment, you pretty much can retire at least 10 years earlier. OTOH if you invest your money in the Chinese stock market, you probably has lost most of the money when the market crashed before the 08 Olympic. Again, most of the other forms of the investment has yielded worse return, specially if you don't have "guanxi" and insider info. And in China its all about insider info. There are two more factors. One being Chinese traditionally are very fixated on owning a house, this applies to all oversea Chinese too. The second thing is after 2008 financial crysis. Wen Jiabao pull 5000 billion RMB out of his rear end to rejuvenile market,(and I assume to keep the RMB low to keep the export business competitive.) Alot of this money has flew to the real estate market. I am pretty sure about this 5000 billion figure however I am unable to find an English source. You can still find Chinese articles for it. Think about it, thats a lot of money. The real estate price is not going down.
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french lies posted:I think it's four trillion actually, if you search for "Wen Jiabao's four trillion RMB stimulus plan" (温家宝四万亿元刺激经济计划) or any permutations of those you get plenty of results in both English and Chinese. LOL I guess I didn't know what goes after "billion" (I usually just automatically use the word godzillion.)
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Arglebargle III posted:Serves me right for trying to visually count the zeros. My math is okay but for some reason I have trouble counting physical objects by sight. Playing dice games is difficult. You just need to remember 1 million = 100 wan, 1 billion = 10 yi. I just realized there is no Chinese word for 10000 yi, you just call it 1 wanyi. VVVV My brain thought "10000 yi" and my hand typed 1000. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 18:20 on May 20, 2012 |
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menino posted:Korea's birthrate is that of a much wealthier country. China is skewed of course b/c of the one child policy thing. I think its a metropolitan thing. Whenever you have a large modern city you get tons of unmarried working professionals. Personally I see way more bachelors/bachelorettes in their 30s and 40s from Hong Kong than other greater Chinese regions.
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menino posted:No one is "far worse off" than South Korea, and the few that are (Japan, Germany) are among the wealthiest states in the world. South Korea is a rather sizeable country (50 million) and wealthy, but still in many repsects a newly industrialized state. There may be other factors aside from its militarized ultra-Confucian culture, but that certainly stands out. I suppose if I had to pick one, "militarized" is probably more influential than "ultra-Confucian", but admittedly it's hard to dissect which contributes to which. Actually if you put it that way, you add more evidentce that it's a Confucius thing. Korea has had more authentic Confucius education than China for extended period of time even after they changed the written language from Chinese to Hangul. Maybe somebody can argue the phenomenon of increasingly unmarried singles in the east and west are caused by different social issues?
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Kopijeger posted:Could you elaborate on this? I don't understand why the Chinese would have a particularly negative view of Russians given their present relationship. Are they still bitter about the withdrawal of aid and the border skirmishes in the 1960s? Or is it that they set a poor example by allowing their Communist regime to crumble? The two countries have had joint military exercises in recent years, not to mention that China depends on Russia for petroleum, raw materials and at least some military technology, so it doesn't seem like their official relationship can be that bad. Stalin never trusted the Chinese "redneck communist". He gave more aid to the KMD than the Chinese Communist party. Even after Japanese surrender (which is the most critical moment between the CCP/KMD civil war) Stalin continued to cooperate with KMD in Manchuria instead of CCP. Communist China never had good relationship with Soviet, except the brief period in the 50s when China got all the technology aids from the Russians. After that it was northern border low level territory conflict in the 60s; and then another proxy war thru Vietnam. Most recently there was a Chinese fisher boat getting shelled near a Russian harbor. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jun 5, 2012 |
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I wouldn't want to give "one child policy" credit to Mao. It was seriously implemented from beginning of the 80s. The more strict 1 child policy was implemented later on. I was born in the year Mao/Zhou died. My mom could have had a 2nd child without penalty. My classmates I would say half of them have siblings. However the "One Child Office" was definitely not loving around later on. They will literally bulldozer your house if you are a farmer and you send your wife away in the middle of nowhere to secretly have a 2nd child. At the time there was no other way to penalize a farmer if every one is poor. (Nowadays they have changed to much more sensible policy of fine you base on your income.) I have a high school classmate, whose kid brother was maybe 5-7 year younger. His family was definitely penalized. His father lost his government job and his whole 3-generation family had to cramp in a tiny apartment (may have been a room). He is doing very well "inside the system" now btw. In the 80s the only way to get an apartment is wait for your 单位 （state owned company, I never knew how to translate this word) assign an apartment to you base on seniority. And yeah his family was hosed. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jun 6, 2012 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm arguing with some people who are claiming that there is *not* or *unlikely* to be a 'reformist' faction within the CCP; this seems on the face of it a preposterous proposition that contradicts basic PoliSci 101, any thoughts as to how I should respond? I think Susan Shirk's book mentions or alludes to it but I haven't been able to look through it yet. Hu Yaobang was a reformist. Wu "Teletubbie" sound like a reformist. How can he claim there is no reformist if you can't prove Wu is not a reformist (who is not given enough power). People like that I would just troll him with the "ramnant red guard" or "little red guard" name calling and call it a day. He doesn't sound like he is willing to make conversation. There was a giant global nationalist independence movement in early 20th century. You can't compare it to current political climate. If you want to compare current China to an older period, the middle Qing dynasty is a proper point you can compare it to. Please don't mention silly Tom Clancy novels. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jun 13, 2012 |
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french lies posted:That's an interesting point of comparison. What do you mean by middle Qing here? Qianlong? First Opium War? I would compare KangXi to Deng era and Qianlong to the current ear. Kangxi set the tone for the Qing Dynasty. He was also militarily more active, which was comparable to Deng. Unfortunately Kangxi made the policy to "close the door" to the outside world, which was exactly the opposite of what Deng did. Current decade the Chinese society is clearly more prosperous, yet with more internal conflict. There aren't enough voice call for reform since the upper elites are enjoying the fruit of economic progress after China became the new "world factory". Qing Dynasty last for 260 years. The "Communist" Dynasty may last alot shorter due to technology speeding things up. OTOH, you can argue there isn't any obvious iceberg coming up in the next 30 years to sink the giant ship of Chinese Technocracy. The 3rd world poor countries in fact has gotten worse compare to 20 years ago. The next generation leader Xi Jinping was picked by the conservative 3rd generation leaders (Jiang). So he could very well gently caress things up much sooner and bring the country to the declining phrase of the dynasty. I hang out in a main land photography forum all the time. When people referred to the Beijing government, they usually use the term "土共" (Redneck Communist). But that term easily brought in the censor police. So it was changed to "天朝" (Heavenly Dynasty) sarcastically. But that word was also too sensitive. So people start called it "Late Qing" or just "TC".
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Curved posted:Don't want to interrupt you guys, but does anyone here have a smartphone in China? I'm able to access facebook and twitter through their mobile clients on my Nokia right now. It's really throwing me off. Some carriers block more the others. China Unicom let me connect to google service, China Mobile blocked google market/reader/etc. This is 3 months ago. Also sim card of the same carrier from different province have different settings.
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:Alright, getting ready to put some more effort into the Tibet post and flesh it out a bit. Anyone have questions that have been bothering them about Tibet for a while? Let me know and I'll try to address it, or run it past colleagues who can give a good answer. Is it true that the Tibetan population decrease after the Lama Buddhism became dominate (due to too many young monks)? Is there any Tibetan related casual novel/movie that's actually entertaining? I will take an audiobook. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Jun 17, 2012 |
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Thanks I will check out The Cup. I have seen Kundun.
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I don't know about Chinese language being more gender specific. Chinese is a pretty fuzzy language. The word "Her" was a very late addition to Chinese language. Before the spoken language became standard form of writing language. "之" was a unisex word used to refer to third person. Then in early 20th century newspapers started using the characters "他" and "伊" as he/him and she/her. Later "她" replaced "伊" as the standard female third person objectivce. At the time there was even a female second term character "妳", it was phrased out (to match international convention?) In other news, here is a set of amazing colored photography taken in 1983. http://www.flickr.com/photos/lwdemery/collections/72157613342016241/ whatever7 fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Jun 22, 2012 |
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A few months ago, the subject of one child policy came up. There is a thread where the Chinese posters collect all the posters are banners One Child Policy Office painted in the countryside. Some of them are pretty amusing. I will translate one funny ones. http://forum.xitek.com/thread-242330-1-1-1.html (the thread runs upside down so page 1 has all the newest posts.) whatever7 fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Aug 12, 2012 |
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 “Pay attention to baby girl is pay attention to the future."  "Using ultrasound to find out to the gender of the fecus and selective abortion are strictly forbidden."  "Having a boy or a girl is the same" "Collect Dogs"  "You are one-child family, let me apply pension insurance for you." (I don't know what it is.)  "Party members and officers lead the way, one child policy is not hard."  Stablize nation's planned birth policy something something...  "Taking birth control ring inspection for other people is strictly forbidden."  There is only one earth, must control population growth!  "Giving birth without a birth license, one 1000 yuan fine. Going away to dodge birth control, 500-3000 yuan fine." (Given the amount this is probably very old, I believe you need marriage license to apply for birth license.)  "It's time for your medicine!" (It could be a graffiti, but I can't tell.) whatever7 fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Aug 13, 2012 |
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^^^^The guy was taking a piss.Nevermind16 posted:Great Photos Whatever 7 No. They were taken all over. Xitek is a photography site. Basically government pushed messages have changed so much in the last 3-4 decades. The older the banners, the funnier they are. We are not talking about the crazy banners in the 60s. They have been all painted over. You have to go to boutique hip places (like Beijing 798) to find them. It used to be pretty big. There was no down side if you can afford it. Plus some city fine your second child born base on your income. Sometimes you can save money. But HK has put a stop to it. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Aug 13, 2012 |
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french lies posted:Create a national hygienic city (创建国家卫生[城]市) and build a something something homeland (建造美……家园). That last word doesn't mean family, it means home, or more commonly, your homeland. Posturing. Sending message to the other party fractions. The fight for Xi Jingpin's successor (6th gen) has just begun. BTW the Bo/Gu thing is not over. They use kidnap threat to explain Gu's motive. But the little brat went to Harvard a couple years before Heywood was killed. So that was obviously an attempt to cover something more sinister, that would make the government look bad. Also Gu stated on the 1-day show trail that Heywood was going to get ten of millions of kickback on a huge project that didn't go through. So the guy who tried to organize the project (forgot his name) probably gave up a lot of dirt.
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These morons are destroying Japanese cars in anti Japan rallies again. Sigh. I thought only people in backward inland cities do it. No, even kids in ShenZhen.
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Just to clarify, I (speaking as a China born American Citizen) called the Chinese protesters morons because they destroyed Japanese branded cars that's made in China, paid for by Chinese and Chinese insurance companies. They should have pointed the anger at the Chinese government who didn't allow any mainland fishing ship to go to the Diaoyu Island. These youth are so easily manipulated. A lot of them don't realize this is a semi official, government sanctioned protest as far as protest go just like most of past anti Japan rallies. You will never be able to organize an anti-anything else rally in China.
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Also the recent Nikon Gallery/comfort women exhibit bullshit. I have decided to stop buying Nikon equipment personally for a few years. As a photography hobbyist, it's very hard to do but I figure that's the only thing I can do to make a difference.
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Forget about the Ferraris. I am more worry about Xi Jingping suddenly cancelled appointment with Hillary, and the Singapore, Russian officials. Li keqiang met Hilary instead. Populist vs Princelings for real?
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I prefer to believe he was sent out take control of the diaoyu Island but he has been finished by Neil heywood's brother, James Bond.
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There is no news because negotiation for the spots of the new standing Poliburo is still under going. It doesn't mean people are being fed lies. Once the member list of the new standing committee is finalized, you will hear it through the unofficial channels. When the Bo case had a decision, you hear it first from the unofficial report much sooner than the show trails. And we won't hear what's the punishment of Bo Xilai until after the 18th congress.
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:What does this have to do with Xi disappearing- do you think he's working on that 24/7, while other members of the Standing Committee are still making their scheduled appearances? Working on what? There is no news of Xi. You can't accuse Xinhua for feeding you fake news when there is no news. Admittedly Xinhua has report plenty of fake news. But I am trying to explain to you the message is subtlety sent through what is not reporting the order of the CCP leaders appear on CCTV. I am sure the next Sinica podcast will touch on it, since they are all inside baseball foreign correspondents.
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