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Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Bob Morales posted:

Here's the CPU usage chart from our incredibly taxed DB server that needs 8 cores of powah:

I got yelled at yesterday because after a month of letting a domain controller loaf along with 2 vCPU and 8gb memory, I dropped it to 1 vCPU and 1gb. Performance charts showed that it wasn't using more than 10% of cpu/mem. We have two domain controllers with about the same load, the other one does fine with 1vCPU and 1gb mem, never maxes either of those out. I think I am at the tipping point where I am just going to tell my boss he doesn't know a loving thing he rambles about. He keeps saying "if you give it the resources, it will use it". I did that just so you would shut up, and no, it didn't magically use those resources.

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Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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HalloKitty posted:

To be fair I don't really think CPU provisioning is too critical, and I'd give everything at least 2, and just use reservations to make sure each VM gets a guaranteed minimum. RAM of course I would prefer to provision rationally based on physical amounts. If that's 2008 R2, though, 1GB is a bit low, I would personally say. 8GB for a DC doing nothing else at all though? That's probably excessive for almost any business.

Maybe I am being a little too strict, but if I have not seen the thing use above 1gb in over a month, why allocate it more then?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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the spyder posted:

My sales rep just tried to sell me vSphere standard edition... For my two, 192gb ram, dual 8 core hosts... He claimed it supported HA and vMotion, and that I only needed one license...

Correct me if I am wrong, but for vSphere Essentials Plus and vCenter foundations, I am looking at $7500~ in licensing for these two hosts...

Do not listen to this guy.

192gb in each host, or total?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Misogynist posted:

He can have 192 GB in one server if that's all he wants to use, vRAM entitlements are cumulative and not averaged across your environment.

I could be reading it wrong, but it sounds like he may have 192gb mem per server, which would make licensing 5 pricy.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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I was thinking about getting this book, but one if the reviews keeps bringing up that it is quite far out of date.

Would this be a good recommended read still, or is there something better out there? (Already have "Mastering vSphere 5" and "HA and DRS technical deepdive")

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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sanchez posted:

We used it in places with only a 10-20 VM's (perhaps 2tb total) and it was still quirky. It'd run fine for weeks and then poo poo the bed requiring new full backups for no apparent reason. Support always sounded hungover.

I am currently using it with about 50 VMs. Most of them are small, but we have a few 1.5 TB VMs. We hit a few snags where after doing reverse incremental for a few weeks, one of the large ones would fail CBT and then do a full, which hosed me because a full bu on a disk that large takes like 12 hours.

After a lot of dealing with their support and fuckery on my own, apparently it's best practice to do "synthetic fulls" at least once a month.

Tips from my failures.

- Do not make one big job to grab all your VMs
- Each VM has its own job that daisy chains to eachother
- Stagger your full backups so they all do not hit at once

I still seem to get random issues where hot add will fail, and it will flip to network mode. Since my proxy is a VM and it is setup for 10gb iSCSI and network, it makes no difference. If it was a different case, it would be miserable. A reboot of the Veeam proxy normally fixes it for for the week, but random small things always seem to pop up.

Veeam support is tolerable at best. They seem more concerned about closing the ticket as fast as possible vs finding a proper solution.

For content, we are running v6.0 Patch 3. v6.1 just came out a few days ago, probably going to wait a month on that update.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Just came across this the other day and found it incredibly handy to have near my desk. An esxtop cheat sheet.

http://www.vmworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Esxtop_Troubleshooting_eng.pdf

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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FISHMANPET posted:

Wha, patch-6? What does that mean? I'm working on patching my 4.0 ESX hosts (currently RTM or Update 1) and it looks like Update 4 is the latest, with 4 updates relased in addition after update 4. What does "patch" specifically mean in this context, and what does the 6 mean?

I would assume the 6th patch level for ESX 4, so get to 4.1

quote:

VMware vSphere 4.0 (May 20, 2009)

VMware ESX 4.0 Build 164009 (21 May 2009)
VMware ESX 4.0 Update 1 Build 208167 (19 Nov 2009)
VMware ESX 4.0 Update 2 Build 261974 (10 Jun 2010)
VMware ESX 4.0 Update 3 Build 398348 (5 May 2011)
VMware ESX 4.0 Update 4 Build 504850 (November 17, 2011; 7 months ago)
VMware ESX 4.1 Build 260247 (July 13, 2010)
VMware ESX 4.1 Update 1 Build 348481 (Feb 10, 2011)
VMware ESX 4.1 Update 2 Build 502767 (Oct 27, 2011)

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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FISHMANPET posted:

Ugh, thanks VMWare, can't wait to get a VCenter Server and not have to worry about all this.


Not sure on what the status is of current maintenance, do we need to be current to go to 4.1?

To my knowledge, if you are licensed for 4, you are good for all of 4 (4.1 included as well).

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Why can't I install vCenter 4.1 on Windows 7? XP is supported.

Jerks.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Blaminator posted:

I can run it on Windows 7 64-bit, are you using the 32-bit edition?

Nope. Win 7 pro x64.

Only way to get it to install is to modify the msi.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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FISHMANPET posted:

Well poo poo, maybe when I actually have a vCenter server I'll be able to tell them apart.

But why would you install it on a desktop OS?

It is at our DR site/Colo and is only managing 3 hosts (essentials plus).

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Corvettefisher posted:

Normally I wouldn't see someone installing vcenter server on a desktop OS for a production environment. My mistake

Sorry for the late response (I actually got some days off work this week!).

Here is the setup that I am working with out there.

- 5 Dell PE 2950
- One configured as a "physical master workstation" with Win 7 (per my bosses requirements)
- One running 2008 R2 Standard as a physical DC (per my bosses requirements)
- 3 ESXi hosts licensed for Essentials Plus

My boss really has no real knowledge on virtualization, but doesn't fully trust it, so he really wants the vCenter server physical (running on the master workstation). After I let him know it wasn't supported for that OS, he requested I install it on the DC out there (can't do that either, AD and vCenter don't like eachother on the same install).

Trust me, this is all as stupid as it sounds.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Nebulis01 posted:

Your boss should be in charge of moving cubicles and you should take his job it seems.

He has trouble moving himself, I think he would have a small stroke if he had to move any equipment.

He is out today so I am just building a 2008 R2 VM out there for vCenter. Problem solved.

Until he comes in on Monday and has me blow it away and re-build the physical "master workstation" with Server 2008 R2, which means I get to drive out to the Colo again

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Christobevii3 posted:

Did the guy with the 6 core amd vmware esxi server ever post his build/specs/cost? I am probably going to do something similar soon.

Its the OP. He runs a desktop and through workstation sets up all his labs.

I'll make a post tomorrow when I'm not on my phone of my home lab setup. It's a little mini itx intel build.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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EuphrosyneD posted:

I know 3.5 is EOL, but we have to keep supporting it.

Out of curiosity, since it is a standalone host, why not just replace ESX 3.5 with ESXi 5.0? I would assume this is one of your clients servers or something?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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madsushi posted:

Using extents on different LUNs is like putting your data on a RAID 0 -- if either LUN fails, all your data is gone
VMWare snapshots are NOT BACKUPS

Don't mean to derail your question, but what advantage do you gain by spanning a VMFS datastore across multiple LUNs (my storage experience is pretty limited to a few devices)?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Mierdaan posted:

That was the only way to have large (>2TB) VMFS volumes prior to ESXi 5.0.

Interesting. Since VMDK cannot do > 2TB disks, I never really been concerned about having a datastore larger than that.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Mierdaan posted:

As long as you're okay with a 1:1 VMDK:VMFS ratio, that's fine. Some people want/need more VMDKs crammed into a VMFS datastore though, if for no other reason than ease of management. Filling up your 2TB VMFS with a 2TB VMDK isn't a good idea anyways (go ahead and snapshot that VM and report back how that goes for you).


We are not to the point where single virtual disks are near 2TB yet, but when rebuilding our vSphere environment, I did come across some gems of 1TB disks on 1TB LUNs (a lot of them were only using like 90% of their space too) that my old boss left behind.


Mierdaan posted:

Additionally, you can get larger volumes in-guest with dynamic disks combining multiple VMDKs, so it'd make sense to have them in their own VMFS volume.

I brought that up with a teammate the other week for once we do come across the need for > 2TB disks. I wasn't sure if combining multiple VMDKs within the guest OS was a "best practice". I am sure going to try and avoid RDMs (old boss left behind a handful of those as well, for no apparent reason either).

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Corvettefisher posted:

How many of you all use the Oracles DB oppose to MS SQL for your vmware databases? So far most clients are MS SQL haven't and I seen any oracle DB's.

I would assume only people that are really heavy Oracle dependent before adopting VMware.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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evil_bunnY posted:

Another little gold nugget right there. In most environments, even with TPS and all the other crap, you'll still run into IO/RAM contention rather than CPU.

That is why it still pisses me off the vSphere 5 has the vRAM limit. Right now we are running ESXi 4.1 licensed for Standard, but each of our dual socket hosts has 96gb memory. I will lose out on memory until we upgrade to enterprise.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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VMware clearly knew what they are doing.

At least when we upgrade I get to play with some new fancy features!

Downfall is when we do a hardware refresh next, my boss cannot wrap his head around the idea of scaling out vs up. He keeps mentioning quad socket Dell servers and tons of local storage. It has been a 1 year battle of trying to convince him what a more ideal setup is. I even proved a point when I rebuilt our vSphere setup to yank all of the current local disks and have ESXi boot from a thumb drive, I just don't think he understands.

When I told him that I will be enabling DRS to our environment after we finish our big DR test this weekend, he seemed appauled that anyone would trust VMware's software to manage host resources. He seems to hold a big grudge against VMware.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Documentation of vSphere configuration!

How are all you guys documenting your environments? I am looking to get our environment here documented so someone could pretty much rebuild our setup from scratch, but I am not sure what the best way to present this information would be. Anyone have any tips or generic examples of how they have done it?

Currently I have done Visio drawings of the physical infrastructure but not much else beyond that (no one at my current work really documents anything, which I would like to change).

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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keygen and kel posted:

How can I clone a single snapshot of an ESXi VM without reverting back to it?

Essentials 4.1 and the VM is on local storage? I do have the vMA appliance with ghettoVCB installed if there's a way to do it through that. I know it essentially does this with it's backup procedure but I'm not sure how to trick it into backing up the existing snapshot and if I don't have to hack something together out of that code for a one off thing i'd much prefer it.

Look into the new free version of Veeam using Veeam Zip. It will do it for you.

Edit to expand on this:

The free version will let you take a one time backup of any VM (running or not). It will come out as a single file. You can then use the free version of Veeam to restore that VM wherever (same host/name, same host/different name, different host/different name).

I have used it a handful of times and it is pretty useful. Note, I have only used it for smaller VMs. Veeam performance seems to degrade when VMDKs get large (1tb+).

Moey fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Aug 3, 2012

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Mausi posted:

I get around 60 Windows 7 VMs (usually 1x3) on a 12 core HT DL380 with memory to spare from the 144Gb we provision them with as standard.
We have an exceptionally resident-process heavy corporate desktop, so it's lower than usual, but no-one is doing complex graphical work. I still see CPU peg for the first 15 mins of any shift change.

What version of View and what's your storage look like?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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I can finally upgrade to 5!

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Mierdaan posted:

I kinda liked vRAM entitlements in that they gave me an easy way to explain to my boss why we needed Enterprise licensing. "We'll waste 1/3rd of our RAM!" was an easier sell than "I really want svMotion so I don't have to work on weekends as much!"

I am told we will be upgrading to at least Enterprise eventually, if not Enterprise Plus. I am not holding my breath.

BnT posted:

I'm a little mad about that. I personally bought WS8 only 6 months ago and it's not eligible for a free upgrade.

My copy was purchased in June :(

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Mierdaan posted:

VMware vSphere 5.1 to include shared-nothing live migration[/url] (scroll down for the actual article)
Shared-nothing migrations? Sounds good to me.

This is pretty neat. I am interested to see how they end up handling it on the back end. Also interested in what licensing level you need to utilize it.


VVVV: That is what I figured, but can't I still have hope? :ohdear:

Moey fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Aug 24, 2012

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Did they give a release date for ESXi 5.1 yet? I cannot seem to find anything on that.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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How long does everyone out here wait from a new version of ESXi releasing until they start upgrading their production hosts?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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miklm posted:

If I understood correctly, this is going to require the Web client, and will not be available in the native Win client.

I wonder what the logic behind this would be? I am pretty keen keeping with a standard windows client fully functional.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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FISHMANPET posted:

Current project, replace an ESX3 machine with ESXi5 :feelsgood:

Was this one of those stories where a server gets bricked inside of some old closet and is just recently discovered?

For content:

Are those licensing changes they announced effective immediately on ESXi 5.x, or does it come into play once 5.1 is released?

If it is in effect now, I am tempted to update my hosts from 4.1 to 5.0 sooner than later.

Moey fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Aug 28, 2012

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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evil_bunnY posted:

And then not getting updates? Sounds good mate.

This.

Unless you want to run ESXi 5.1 in 2016.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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FISHMANPET posted:

I'm currently installing a vCenter server for my 2 node Enterprise cluster and I'm loving terrified/in awe that I'm actually installing it on a real thing, not just reading about it.

There isn't much to it.

Are you going for physical or virtual for vCenter?

Also what are you going to use for your DB?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Internet Explorer posted:

So, my VMware infrastructure is stuck at ESX3.5 Update 5 and I need to get up to speed quick. Does anyone have any tips on some light reading?

Not light reading, but a pretty good book.

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-VMw...ering+vsphere+5

Light reading on dos and donts.

http://www.amazon.com/Critical-VMwa...vmware+mistakes

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Are the Dell customized ISOs really worth using?

For my installs I just used the normal ISO from VMware. Only time I had to add in additional drivers manually was adding in a dual 10GbE Emulex card.

Edit: Looks like they package updated drivers into them. I should probably switch over to that once the Dell 5.1 ISOs come out.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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My standalone lab server doesn't want to seem to upgrade.

- Downloaded VMware-ESXi-5.1.0-799733-depot.zip from VMware.
- Placed it on the local datastore.
- Tried to install
code:
esxcli software vib install --depot=/vmfs/volumes/datastorename/VMware-ESXi-5.1.0-799733-depot.zip
-Results in saying it cannot find index.xml in the zip file even though I verified it is there

I can only assume I am hamfisting or screwing up something.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Corvettefisher posted:

Not to sure about that, any reason not to use vum or are you just trying to do it cli for the experience?

Actually try
esxcli software vib update --depot /vmfs/volumes/<dataStoreName>/<folderName>/VMware-ESXi-5.1.0-799733-depot.zip

minus the =

The server is a standalone server not attached to vCenter.

Tried it without the = as well (google showed use of both = and a space).

Edit: The checksum didn't match up. Just redownloaded and it worked fine. I think that's the first time I have had a file get borked from a download.

Moey fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Sep 13, 2012

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Mierdaan posted:

How long should I spend troubleshooting terrible datastore latency when using Dell's R610 integrated broadcom NICs before I just replace them? Do these things work OK for anyone?

I have never had any problem with ours. For almost two years they have been used in multiple roles without issue (management, VMNetwork, iSCSI and vMotion).

Is it only with storage you are having issues, or is there bad latency when used for other traffic?

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Moey
Oct 22, 2010

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Moey posted:

The server is a standalone server not attached to vCenter.

Tried it without the = as well (google showed use of both = and a space).

Edit: The checksum didn't match up. Just redownloaded and it worked fine. I think that's the first time I have had a file get borked from a download.

Welp. Updating from the latest 5.0 to 5.1 seemed screw this thing up.

Update ran fine, needed to reboot after. Reboot server. It comes back online (pingable) but cannot get in with the vSphere client (server could not interpret the communication from the client error). Try pulling up the servers IP in a browser, I just get "503 Service Unavailable".

Good thing this is just a test/dev box (although I do need to get it back online for other testing).

Edit: Booting into recovery and rolling back the version fixed it right up.

I should probably double check to see if this aging hardware is still supported in 5.1.

Double Edit: PowerEdge 2950s are still supported. Will investigate later.

Triple Edit: Wowza, the bios on that server is extremely old, probably should update that.

Moey fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Sep 13, 2012

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