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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Serious Hardware/Software Crap > Virtualization Megathread V2: VMs inside VMs
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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

 There’s no need to look at their hardware business, which is something they actually care about and invest in. This a play where they identified a company that was undervalued compared to the possible profits they could extract. They can cut development costs to the bone and jack up prices on a captive market (as they said they would in investor docs when they put the offer out.) It is the same pattern as their CA and Symantec acquisitions. They’re really good at this. They’ll get enough out to pay for the acquisition and some cash to funnel into their core business and buybacks.

Every one of those on prem is cheaper than cloud articles in the last few years is an indicator to these types that there’s profit that they’re missing out on.

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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Thanks Ants posted:

Microsoft 100% do not have the ability to take advantage of this and make a vCenter equivalent that doesn't make you want to pull your hair out, and license it sensibly.

That sounds lower margin than Azure and subscriptions. Is it going to sell more E5 subs? If not, pass.

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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

 Luckily we've got pricing locked in for 2.5 more years (I am sure broadcom will do their best to invalidate this), but lol at going to an ibm product for price relief

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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

To be fair, hardware-accelerated virtualization and SLAT wasn't really available on x86 until Nahelem and Orleans - and very few people had the talents to develop something without it, as it required intimate knowledge of the CPU.
It wasn't fun to use before virtualization of interrupts and I/O MMU virtualization, which was half a decade later.

ESX came out in 2001, though.

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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

xarph posted:

Openstack literally sent my coworker to the hospital from exhaustion while they were trying to figure out how to install it with networking more complex than a flat vlan. And this was after a two month training class with one of the primary financial backers of the openstack foundation.

Openstack is not a product. It is an api specification for independent open source projects that wrap libvert, raw qemu+kvm, iptables, bhyve, hyper-v, chunks of systemd, docker, ceph, etc. The openstack trainer we sent to study under said it was a baggie with an ikea pamphlet and some screws in it, but you're on your own for the particleboard. He was right.

Sometimes they will issue a "release" which works if you use the exact versions they pinned at the time, and in 8 months when you have the message queue fall over or nova is completely wedged from waiting on a blocked qemu or neutron got into a fight with systemd-networkd and now your management network is gone. Your option then is pay mirantis $texas to build an entirely new openstack across the street and then cover the old one in concrete, because all of the upstream openstack projects will go "does it work on a clean install" or "it's fixed in this PR just install that straight into production."

If people give Proxmox stick for being a hobbyist home lab thing, then it's a loving IBM mainframe that has an uptime of 50 years compared to openstack.

Not just oss. A lot of the plug in whatever architecture mistakes was driven by the commercial legacy product vendors trying to cash in on private cloud to ship some legacy poo poo that they'd stuck a ostack compat layer on

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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Twerk from Home posted:

Also, I completely omitted all the networking/firewall/IAM stuff that would be the most complex parts of all this, figure out how to limit access to just your home IP and just your user through some identity platform.

Tailscale.

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in a well actually
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dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Twerk from Home posted:

For it to Just Work and be something that you'd use? Sure. To learn skills that you're hoping make you immediately employable? AWS Cognito https://aws.amazon.com/cognito/ and OIDC federation with an outside identity provider.

That's way beyond a getting started "Spin up an esxi host and do a basic wordpress then copy to aws" learning virt scope, though. OIDC breaks in really unpleasant ways and an AWS IAM product is pretty far down the list of tech to learn to get started.

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