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jivjov posted:So I should instead....do nothing? Just idly stand by as people literally threaten to put trans people in the hospital for needing to pee? #straightallies
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Apr 22, 2016 18:00
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jivjov posted:Yes, exactly. #straightallies, but this time bolded with garish gifs surrounding it
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Apr 22, 2016 18:11
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jivjov posted:Yes, exactly. We appreciate your noble sacrifice.
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Apr 22, 2016 18:23
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Maybe you could volunteer your time with a local LGBT rights organization. Or volunteer for your local Democrat campaign. I feel like those might have better results than Facebook fights, which I always figured was more of a hobby.
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Apr 22, 2016 18:30
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Alkydere posted:Ted Cruz is a spiteful rear end in a top hat/half-melted goblin/smug turd (pick one, or two or all three as preferred) I always preferred "simpering dough goblin" or "cabbage-patch man" myself.
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Apr 22, 2016 20:10
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Apr 22, 2016 20:13
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Stroop There It Is posted:The objections that I have to the way that some of you talk about our ideological opponents, which I have been trying to bring up recently, are summed up very well by this article: Vox: The smug style in American liberalism This is it, the most American liberal post. It sums up everything wrong with American Liberalism while trying to sum up everything wrong with American Liberalism.
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Apr 22, 2016 20:20
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I will definitely demonize anybody who wants to wield the government as a weapon to punish a segment of the population for existing and trying to participate meaningfully and peacefully with our society. These people run within a spectrum of "petty rear end in a top hat" (your uncle who thinks marriage is ONE MAN ONE WOMAN, ADAM AND STEVE, etc) and "literal monster" (your other uncle who, as a teen, together with some cronies from his varsity team, followed some guys who walked out of a gay bar and beat them to death with a rock), and deserve to be marginalized.
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Apr 22, 2016 20:46
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Personally I'd rather get them to vote for gay rights instead.
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Apr 22, 2016 21:09
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Control Volume posted:Personally I'd rather get them to vote for gay rights instead. The ones that do come around, I'll be okay with. The ones that continue voting for and acting in favor of "religious freedom" to deny housing/work/services to people on the basis of their orientation or gender identity, though, I consider to be an unfortunate relic of a shittier history. This country, which supposedly prides itself on freedom, liberty, and individuality, is the fakest goddamn place on earth, and demonstrates again and again that its peoples' true values are conformity, spite, and ignorance. We live in a nation that needs adult supervision. I'm just glad we currently have a SCOTUS that has been repeatedly reminding these people that their beliefs are hosed.
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Apr 22, 2016 21:31
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Jesus christ dude you need to chill out and suck a dick or something.
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Apr 22, 2016 21:45
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Control Volume posted:Jesus christ dude you need to chill out and suck a dick or something. Going back to my last comment, if I made this kind of smug, dismissive comment in regards to the rights of some other minority group on here I would almost certainly be probated. There is a significant portion of the political opposition to gay rights that literally wants us to go to jail for "sucking a dick" so no, I'm not going to chill out.
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Apr 22, 2016 22:03
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CharlestheHammer posted:This is it, the most American liberal post. It sums up everything wrong with American Liberalism while trying to sum up everything wrong with American Liberalism. How many capitalists have you killed for the cause, comrade?
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Apr 22, 2016 22:07
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MaxxBot posted:Going back to my last comment, if I made this kind of smug, dismissive comment in regards to the rights of some other minority group on here I would almost certainly be probated. There is a significant portion of the political opposition to gay rights that literally wants us to go to jail for "sucking a dick" so no, I'm not going to chill out. ok well I tried, more dicks for me
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Control Volume posted:Personally I'd rather get them to vote for gay rights instead. Yeah good luck with that.  Edit: If it was really that simple then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But sure, maybe you'll finally be the one person who turns out to be the Bigot Whisperer who can effortlessly change someone's mind with one simple argument or something. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Apr 22, 2016 |
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Apr 22, 2016 22:21
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I think I'm going to chill out and suck a dick. The national Day of Silence was last week, and I've been looking for any signs of the mean-spirited backlash like there was last year. And I still can't find anything. I don't know if it's the primary taking the wind out of everybody's sails, or what. I really expected the first Day of Silence after Obergefell to be a flashpoint. Instead, it seems no organizations gave anything more than lip service to counterprotests.
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Apr 22, 2016 22:31
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Well there is this but I'm not sure if anyone actually participates in it, funny website though. http://www.dayofdialogue.com/
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Apr 22, 2016 22:34
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jivjov posted:Yes, exactly. Dude no one cares what dank meme you shared on your facebook to "own" some girl you went to high school with. You're doing the bare minimum and acting like the LGBT community should be so grateful that you're taking a principled stand on the internet. You're like the textbook definition of a fairweather ally. And before someone posts the  or whatever, yes I smacktalk and post stupid poo poo on the internet. I don't act like I'm slaying the dragons of bigotry while doing so, however.
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Apr 22, 2016 22:51
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Who What Now posted:Yeah good luck with that. Gay rights are as far along as they've ever been in american history and you're sitting here clutching your head going, "no. NO. its impossible to change minds. things are worse than they've ever been" but you know, that's not really a detriment to my activism so you do you and I'll do me and several other men at the same time
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Apr 22, 2016 22:54
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Control Volume posted:Gay rights are as far along as they've ever been in american history and you're sitting here clutching your head going, "no. NO. its impossible to change minds. things are worse than they've ever been" but you know, that's not really a detriment to my activism so you do you and I'll do me and several other men at the same time I'm not saying "things are worse than they've ever been", I'm saying that your "Ima go out and change all the minds, brb" is just as helpful as the other guy's backpatting for 'being the majority standing up for the minority', i.e. not at all. And now I'm being unhelpful too, so now nobody is being helpful.
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Apr 22, 2016 23:01
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You're dumb then. If American opinion polls on gay marriage over the last 10 years is anything to go by, the IRL Bigot Whisperer is simple awareness that you already know one of "those people" and the world didn't end. The people that it's a complicated waltz with aren't the majority.
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Apr 22, 2016 23:03
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Who What Now posted:I'm not saying "things are worse than they've ever been", I'm saying that your "Ima go out and change all the minds, brb" is just as helpful as the other guy's backpatting for 'being the majority standing up for the minority', i.e. not at all. And now I'm being unhelpful too, so now nobody is being helpful. Sorry I was conflating your position with the guys freaking out about how "politically aware" they are these days and how nothing's changing and how the world is a terrible, awful place, oh woe.
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Apr 22, 2016 23:06
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I've changed I think one and a half minds though and that's an okay number in my book.
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DeusExMachinima posted:You're dumb then. Right, exactly. It's no use arguing what the perfect tone for arguments are because no singular argument is going to magically transform someone from a rabid opponent to an active supporter. Being able to see for themselves that LGBT people actually are people is what will do that, gradually. So I suppose that I'm kinda wrong and Control Volume is transforming hearts and minds by being an all around good person, who likes to suck dicks, IRL (and I have no reason to think he's not, dude seems like a cool guy), but not because of the tone of the arguments he makes. Tone arguments just seem like pointless mental masturbation, saying "I agree with you overall, but I'm simply better at saying it". Then again I'm doing the same thing, so what the gently caress do I know?
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Apr 22, 2016 23:26
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I think the thing to take away from this discussion is that you will not get support for how you choose to support the cause of your choice. So just loving do it anyway.
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Apr 22, 2016 23:35
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Tone argument arguments have gotten sticky because the term "tone argument" has transcended its original roots of referring to a dumb argument about how people needed to be more polite and meek, to trying to justify calling people worthless pieces of poo poo who should kill themselves. Trying to figure out whether someone's defending forceful tone or just promoting histrionic bile is difficult, sometimes. Anyways though flippant jokes are fun as h*ck but don't help anyone except your (the royal you - the dude from the big lebowski) humor so getting mad while making them is not a good idea
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jivjov posted:I do not share "dank memes". And I've already pruned my friends list of all the bigots I went to highschool with. I don't expect gratitude, I just expect armchair quarterbacks on the internet to not tell me I'm doing it wrong by calling out idiocy and bigotry when I see it. I am not a "fairweather" ally. I literally almost lost my job over being an ally. I am not personally slaying any dragons. I am simply doing what little I can do. Blingee gif of #straightallies
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jivjov posted:I do not share "dank memes". And I've already pruned my friends list of all the bigots I went to highschool with. I don't expect gratitude, I just expect armchair quarterbacks on the internet to not tell me I'm doing it wrong by calling out idiocy and bigotry when I see it. I am not a "fairweather" ally. I literally almost lost my job over being an ally. I am not personally slaying any dragons. I am simply doing what little I can do. Thank you for your service, Internet Warrior Jivjov 
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jivjov posted:I do not share "dank memes". And I've already pruned my friends list of all the bigots I went to highschool with. I don't expect gratitude, I just expect armchair quarterbacks on the internet to not tell me I'm doing it wrong by calling out idiocy and bigotry when I see it. I am not a "fairweather" ally. I literally almost lost my job over being an ally. I am not personally slaying any dragons. I am simply doing what little I can do. Doubling down had never worked before, but surely this time will be different!
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Apr 22, 2016 23:44
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the refusal to share dank memes is the largest crime in that entire post
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Apr 22, 2016 23:51
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Control Volume posted:the refusal to share dank memes is the largest crime in that entire post bong fuel helps to make for dank memes 
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So, to make sure we're all in the right place, what are the things people think people can do to help reduce LGBTQ bigotry? I know I brought up volunteering for organizations and getting dems elected, but what are other things that can be done?
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Being a cool person, patience, burning down a city if a cop shoots someone for being gay.
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Memes are powerful, and good ones that advance the glory of the homosexual agenda should be shared. Also jivjov, I might suggest toughening up a little.
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MaxxBot posted:Well there is this but I'm not sure if anyone actually participates in it, funny website though.
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Xanderkish posted:So, to make sure we're all in the right place, what are the things people think people can do to help reduce LGBTQ bigotry? I know I brought up volunteering for organizations and getting dems elected, but what are other things that can be done? Be a straight or gay parent with a kid in public school. And be involved in the PTA and promote anti-bullying measures and programs. And then - holy poo poo - be prepared for anti-gay organizations like the AFA to tell you that children being bullied and intimidated, whether they are gay or straight, is actually a moral boon to society. And then, as an adult and parent, you're going to have to stand up and say, "nope, what the gently caress is wrong with you all?" Basically, the internet is a place for information, but you've got to actually get out in physical places to make a difference. Simply being a warm body can be worth thousands upon thousands of dollars of donated hate money.
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RagnarokAngel posted:How many capitalists have you killed for the cause, comrade? Aw the standard deflection of the limpwristed liberal.
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