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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Midorka posted:

I'd give my left testicle for 6 pack of it, and I mean that literally for reasons I won't go into here.

ISO: Nitro Milk Stout
FT: Cancerous(?) nut

Although I must say, nitro milk stout is really god drat good.

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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

nominal posted:

I just finished a sampler of Left Hand stuff. I was already familiar with the Milk Stout (it makes ridiculous ice cream), but was much less familiar with the other beers included. 400 Lb Monkey IPA, Sawtooth Ale, and Black Jack Porter. All of them were pretty decent, the porter probably a fair bit more interesting than the other two. I thought that all three shared a kind of sweet character but yet were still really drinkable and refreshing. My wife described them as "friendly", which I think fit pretty well.

I'd easily drink any of them again, but I don't think I'd really go out and look for anything but the milk stout or porter.

I like 400lb Monkey just cause it's a change of pace, getting an English style IPA is nice. Polestar Pilsner is pretty good, too. But yeah, Milk Stout is the only one of their beers I buy more often than every few months. They loving struck gold with that and everything else is a bit hit-and-miss.

I did post a glowing review of Smokejumper imperial porter the other night, snag that if you see it.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

CalvinDooglas posted:

Don't forget Oktoberfest. I think it comes out in October.

It's decent. But now any time I drink an Oktoberfest, I find myself thinking "welp shoulda bought Ayinger".

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I liked Burton Baton the one time I had it. It is definitely caramel sweet but the drat thing is 10% ABV, it is going to be pretty hefty. It was enjoyable but I wouldn't go out of my way to get it again (please let's not have The Dogfish Debate yet again).

Midorka posted:

On the DFH topic, I just finished an Indian Brown Ale from them and very much enjoyed it. I haven't had one in two to three years, but this is a very easy drinking beer I greatly enjoyed despite me not liking brown ales usually.

If you get Boulder Beer in your area, they make Flashback India Brown Ale which is pretty darn good.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

rage-saq posted:

1994 Sam Adams Triple Bock was finally drinking like a good beer

I seriously remember drinking this beer, but based on Wikipedia it was last brewed in 1997 and we definitely just bought whatever I'm thinking of off the shelf at no great expense as college kids in Boston around 2004.

Was it so widely available (and bad) that it sat on the shelf for 7 years? I was not much into craft beer at the time and I remember it being super high ABV, sweet and barely carbonated. FWIW, it definitely was not Utopias. Triple Bock sticks in my mind as the right name... it was so mindblowingly weird that this was supposed to be "beer" that it made quite an impression.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

air- posted:

I had a Deviant Dale's and I thought it sucked. The beer had a metallic, medicinal, sort of chalky taste like I was sucking on aspirin tablets, is that due to certain hops in the beer? And I've seen "resin" used for describing this beer, but I was under the impression that descriptor means the beer coats the mouth in a syrupy, floral sort of way, not artificial/metallic.

Yeah I didn't get that at all. Maybe it's just one of those things where people are super sensitive to a hop flavor like the infamous Simcoe cat pee or Summit onion/garlic :iiam: When I describe a beer as resiny, I'm thinking pine pitch which I definitely get from some IPA's like Union Jack.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

CalvinDooglas posted:

I'm still denying that this is a thing.

I don't claim to have ever picked it up, but I hear it enough to accept it must be A Thing for someone out there. I have definitely noticed it in white wines.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

lazerwolf posted:

Yeah wondering the same about it. Shark attack is delicious but I'm not getting any stout-ness from it. Definitely some caramel sweetness from the malts. I love a good hoppy red any other suggestions? I've had shark attack, long trail centennial red, GF hop hed red, Nugget nectar

VVV One of my all time favorite beers, how could I forget!

Odell Red is very good, but at the tail end of seasonal availability.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Phanatic posted:

What a surprise that they picked Asheville over a city that penalizes you for trying to start a business and employ people and add to the tax base. Go loving figure.

Not to mention a state with arcane liquor laws rivaled only by Utah's.

Edit: Re: Pliny the Elder, I don't feel it's overrated at all. I think it's an outstanding example of the style. But if there are many lesser-known beers that are just as good, I think that's more a reflection of how insanely far the industry has come and how lucky we are right now as beer lovers than it is a reflection on PtE being "overrated". As far as I remember, there sure wasn't always dozens of beers as good as Pliny.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Apr 5, 2012

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Midorka posted:

Arcane or not, Philly is still a mecca for the bar scene and the amount of A-grade distributed breweries is second to maybe Cali.

Fair enough. But if you are going to invest (probably) a million bucks in a huge rear end production brewery and tap room and it's your base of operations for half the US, would you rather be in a community oriented toward the business of making and selling beer or one that is aggressively hostile to it? They can ship up kegs of La Folie and random Lips of Faith releases from Asheville to the Philly bar scene just fine. Edit: Before someone gets pedantic on me they will probably keep brewing their sours out of Fort Collins cause that's where their barrel room is, but you get the point.

Also that Pliny video is gold :allears: We have it so good.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Apr 5, 2012

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

cyberpunksurvivor posted:

Can I get an opinion on Modelo? Is it any good?

It's not anything super special but you can do a LOT worse. I don't really seek it out, but it's a very well-made and refreshing Vienna lager. Worlds better than Corona or Bud Lite Lime or something. Basically if you are at a Mexican joint trying to decide what to order, just get Negra Modelo and you will not regret it--and you will actually enjoy it if you don't ruin it with a goddam lime.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Unless someone invents a way to make good sour beer besides "let it sit in a barrel for like 3 years" they are going to stay pricey. Unless you go totally hog wild like New Belgium--who just increased their already considerable barrel capacity by like 4x--it's just a low volume, high price business.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Haha, don't get too excited about New Belgium heading east. The new brewery won't be online until 2015!

:corsair:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

yo can i come to your birthday party

Speaking of DIPA's, I had Bridgeport Hop Czar the other night. Very "meh", with the caveat I have no idea how fresh it was. It did have a nice, powerful aroma--you could smell the drat thing clearly with the glass a foot from your nose. Nothing bad about it but it wasn't so great that I'd buy it regularly.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Josh Wow posted:

Was at the beer store and was looking through their canned section and saw something I couldn't pass up:

For some reason my local beer store always has certain German and British beers at absurd prices, well under $1/bottle. I've taken the bait a few times and (unless I was just trying to get drunk) regretted it, they're always old as hell and taste like it. Hope yours fare better!

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Tried "Upslope Craft Lager" for the first time with dinner tonight. In a word: :barf: poo poo was awful, if I had to choose between that and say PBR or High Life at the same price, I'd take the PBR. I know a touch of sulfur is acceptable in lagers but this smelled and tasted like a fart with a bit of corn and diacetyl for good measure. It's like they ran down the list of off-flavors you can have in a pale lager and dutifully ticked them all off. Truly loving gross, avoid.

Ratebeer has it at a whopping 23% rating so apparently I am not alone in my hatred.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Apr 7, 2012

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

TenaciousTomato posted:

What got ya'll into craft beer? For me it was my family offering me a La Fin du Monde last Christmas which is still one of my favorites to this day.

I think for me it was a buddy teaching me to homebrew. At the time I drank a lot of PBR, High Life and 40's (collegelol) and sometimes Sam Adams and Guiness. I immediately fell in love with the process of brewing but realized I had no goddam idea what styles existed or what made a beer bad or good. So I just kind of dove into it and started trying beers and reading about them to figure out what I liked and what I wanted to brew.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

FreelanceSocialist posted:

I walk in to grab a six of cans for our group and there was this huge, snarling, egotistically-labelled bottle on the shelf that stared right at me and declared, "You Are Not Worthy".

I love how many good stories there are about Arrogant Bastard. I'd seen it on the shelf in my PBR-swilling days but not had it yet. One day my (pretty awesome and hilarious) French boss came in from a weekend of drinking. While recounting some story, he said "Oh man, I was at this bar, and they had the PERFECT beer for me!" "Was it called Arrogant Bastard?", I asked. ".......... yes, now get the gently caress out of my office." :owned:


Midorka posted:

Also, am I the only one who gets banana from Belgian yeasts? Every time I drink a beer that uses Belgian yeasts it reminds me of cloves and bananas.

I entered a Belgian tripel in a homebrew competition and got dinged for strong banana flavor (and they were right). I'm not experienced enough to know if I should have fermented warmer or cooler, or pitched more or less yeast, or used more or less oxygen etc, but it's a possible Belgian yeast flavor for sure. FWIW it was the Westmalle yeast, Wyeast 3787.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

SUPER HASSLER posted:

Here's what I think is a pretty decent competition

Thanks for the Uncle Jacob's review. I saw the press releases and thought "oh, a retardedly high ABV release from Avery? How unusual :allears:" So it's worth trying? I actually usually enjoy Avery, it just seems like lately they are going all Brew Dog with 15-20% beers in a friggin bomber.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I have to believe that was intended to be a joke, right? It's not funny, but that's all I can come up with besides "wow what a bunch of shitheads". It wouldn't be the first time I've seen really dumb crap on a job description or company website. Not to get completely offtopic but there are some real gems that get posted in the SH/SC subforum.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Midorka posted:

Yeah I've heard nothing but fantastic things about New Belgium, I mean just this list and tell me you aren't jealous.

I know some people who work at New Belgium, it does not suck. I applied for an IT job there a while ago and literally an hour after getting the rejection notice, I had to take a visiting buddy there on a tour. The guide would NOT shut up about how much it rules to work for them, I was about ready to strangle the poor guy by the end :smithicide:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

CalvinDooglas posted:

I didn't like pilsners for a while, probably because they reminded me of the poo poo lagers I drank for years before. I went out of my way to try new pilsners for a year or so before I really "got" the style and started enjoying them generally.

Exactly the same for me. I spent a lot of time disliking pilsners, then one day one just clicked with me for whatever reason and now I drink them all the time. A German friend left some Warsteiner lager at my houe a while back, and it was the perfect thing to drink while homebrewing last weekend. Refreshing, hoppy, balancing malt sweetness, and only 4.8%.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Kudosx posted:

The only other US made quad I even know of is Weyerbach's, and I've never tried it. I would really like to see Thirsty Dog near me make a quad... they make exceptional Belgian dubbels and tripels.

The Reverend from Avery is an American quad, but it's not anything special.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Stroop There It Is posted:

Question for all: what is the best beer to go along with spring/summer grilling?

I'm thinking something crisp and light, maybe citrusy. Like Sam Adams Alpine Spring, if it stood out more.

A good craft pilsner, wit or saison, IMO.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

LeeMajors posted:

I had been resisting New Belgium's Shift Pale Lager, thinking it was a mass-appeal beer.

I'm not ashamed to say that I was wrong.

I put it on-par with Alpine Spring or Noble Pils. Very good hoppy-lager that went perfectly with my fishing/grilling day yesterday.

Been meaning to post about Shift. They did a pretty great job with it, very refreshing hoppy lager as you said.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Anyone familiar with "blanche de bruxelles"? Had it on draft yesterday at Falling Rock taphouse in Denver, who usually know what they are doing to put it lightly. It was the hugest diacetyl bomb I have had in my life, it was like smelling and drinking a tub of buttered popcorn :barf: Passed it around the table and everyone agreed, it wasn't just me being a diacetyl-hating sperg. Just nasty. That must have been a bad keg, right? No one would drink that on purpose.

I see a few reviews on Ratebeer mentioning diacetyl in it but not an overwhelming amount.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Apr 17, 2012

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

mysterious frankie posted:

Had Great Divide's Hades for the first time recently as well. I'm really digging their stuff so far.

I finally got around to having their Belgian Style Yeti the other day at the taproom, loving outstanding. Regular Yeti, and especially oak aged, are bordering on too intensely bitter for me but the fruity-sweet Belgian character totally mellows it out and makes for an amazing beer.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

crazyfish posted:

I think Belgian is my favourite variation on it, actually. I think the chocolate oak version is supposed to drop soon, so hopefully I can complete my yeti collection.

They had it on at the taproom, so yeah, I'd expect to see it in bottles soon. Also noted some stuff aging in bourbon and wine barrels, so there may be some interesting barrel aged releases coming at some point.

I'm kind of amazed at how widely available they are, the brewery is hilariously small.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Benny the Snake posted:

I've had a debate with a friend of mine on beer. My friend Andrew is allergic to alcohol to the point that two shots of vodka will put him under, but he still enjoys the occasional beer. He's a fan of German and Mexican beer and thinks all American beer is swill. I told him I'm a fan of Sam Adam's Boston Lager and he got after about it, teasing that it was a "White" beer (I'm Mexican-American, by the way). He said I should be drinking Mexican beers and with lime. My take is if I have to add something to a beer, it's not worth drinking. A beer should stand on its own without any aid. As you may guess, I'm not a fan of orange ales either (Blue Moon, Shocktop, etc.) I also think that a person shouldn't criticize my taste in alcohol if they are allergic to it. Any thoughts?

Either your friend is an excellent troll or a loving idiot, hard to say. I'm not opposed to the concept of serving fruit with beer, but it shouldn't be because the base beer is gross and needs to be covered up by fruit to be tolerable (see: Corona).

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Stopped into a store I don't normally frequent, got a free can of New Belgium Shift and better still a tall-boy koozie. I am unreasonably excited about this :smugdog:

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Copy/pasting from another forum where I sperg about beer since I know we have some Colorado goons up in here...

Spent the last week doing a road trip through Colorado with my wife. Being originally from New England, it still kind of blows my mind that you can do a week long road trip within one state but that's another topic. We hit up some breweries and brewpubs, and the best and worst kind of surprised me. Sadly the best breweries are basically impossible to get outside of their home towns.

Glenwood Canyon Brewpub in Glenwood Springs was really great. They had a whole slew of medals on the wall from the World Beer Cup, and lived up to them. I don't think they distribute (besides growlers) which is a shame, because I'd buy their stuff over a bunch of readily available mediocre stuff. Their stout in particular was a standout, very complex, blending bitter dark chocolate and coffee with a sweet finish. It's like my platonic ideal of a stout :h: Very nice facility and food, too.

Steamworks Brewing in Durango was also way better than expected. The only beer of theirs I've seen anywhere is their Colorado Kolsch, which must not travel well cause it always kind of sucks and once in particular it tasted like a glass of buttered popcorn. By contrast, everything we drank at the brewery was freaking A+. Had an ESB, an IPA, an Irish Red and a Wit and I'd buy any of them again without hesitation. The Kolsch seems to be their flagship which is kind of a shame, but I'd say to try anything else of theirs you see. They also had a SUPER nice restaurant and bar. All of the servers are certified Cicerones (basically a newish "beer sommelier" program) and were extremely friendly and helpful. Food was awesome, and their specialty is a full on cajun fish boil dumped directly onto your table. Amazing.

Our last stop was Ska Brewing, also in Durango, which was a bit of a letdown. They have a nice taproom, but the waitstaff ranged from preoccupied to downright surly which got things off to an inauspicious start, especially after Steamworks. Anything unique or interesting was sold out (but still on the handwritten menu for some reason), leaving behind just their readily available stuff which is pretty blah. Had a thin and boring porter, and their "Mexican Logger" which literally tastes exactly like Corona and even came with a lime, but at craft beer prices. Basically their stuff was gimmicky and bad, and their servers were borderline hostile. Would not recommend.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

This review of Crooked Stave Blackberry Petite Sour is the best thing I have read in a long time.

quote:

At first I was all like, I ain't drinking no sissy girl colored sour beer, but when it turned into a robot teradactyl and decimated a gigantic monster, it had my attention.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

FreelanceSocialist posted:

Finished my double and came home with an NB LOF Biere de Mars. Nice, subtle flavors. Not too complex. Great beer for people who like mild Belgians like Blue Moon, but want to start branching out. Will be recommending it to that crowd at work this week. Also, hosted a very successful tasting.

Their Biere de Mars contains Brett, although I don't know if it's added before or after pasteurization. If after, it could change a lot over time. In the past I've had it tasting pretty drat funky but I can't comment on this year's batch, only had it fresh and it's more fruity than anything.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

New Belgium announced their next Lips of Faith beers. One's a sour brewed with Lychee fruit (I have no idea what this is) and the other is a collaboration with Lost Abbey featuring a 100% brettanomyces fermentation. Sounds interesting, especially the Lost Abbey collab. Should be available by mid May.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

TenaciousTomato posted:

Just realized why there is no carbonation in my Ten Fidy. It was bottled at the end of 2010. What the gently caress. I have one can left to bring back to the store and ask them, politely, why they are selling 2 year old beer.
Still tastes good though.

That makes no sense. If anything, a huge beer like Ten Fidy should improve with age. I'd be kind of excited to find pre-aged imperial stout. Unless the can itself is defective and leaking CO2 or something. Btw, Oskar Blues cans so I am assuming that was just a typo. But if you got a bottle labeled Ten Fidy then I don't know what the gently caress you got unless it was hand bottled off a tap.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I feel like something that drastic has to be a recipe change. If a beer went from consistently awesome to consistently poo poo, the contract brewer wouldn't have a contract for long. For better or worse, I think Sam is brewing exactly what they want to.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

ChiTownEddie posted:

I went on their tour a few weeks ago for my birthday. Totally didn't expect FULL PINTS on the tour. And of course because my friends are weak (and probably smart) I ended up taking some of their tokens as well.
Awesome time, awesome tour.

The New Belgium tour has toned it down a bit in the last couple years, but you still get a lot of beer. I went about 4 years ago and was straight-up drunk by the end of it. IIRC between various stops on the tour and tokens for the tasting room you got upwards of 10 samples, some of which are things like Trippel at about 8% ABV. Between that and coming to Colorado from sea level the day before... :2bong:

Glad I wasn't driving because I'd have needed to sleep it off in my car.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Noticed some bottles of Mongo IPA on the shelf tonight, was pretty stoked. Checked the bottling date: July 2011

:bravo:

Why yes, I'd love an almost year-old IPA! It was refrigerated, at least, but still that can't taste remotely good. Although when I have more time I am totally going back to hunt for ancient barleywines and imperial stouts.

Edit: I don't think my town gets much of it in general. Now that I think of it, I've seen it recently at a very high turnover store and even there it was from like January.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 03:11 on May 3, 2012

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Your ability to form coherent posts after that is drat impressive.

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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Send some of those hundreds of unclaimed cases to Colorado :colbert:

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