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Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

RiggenBlaque posted:

"Horse blanket" is a stupid loving term people made up. I can't really describe the actual smell since I'm very bad at these things, but go drink an Orval and then whenever you smell things that remind you of that beer, you'll be able to claim you detect horse blanket.

When I first had an Orval (after reading Brewmaster's Table) I smelled it and immediately thought "ah, that's the horseblanket then, I can see that"

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Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
I imagine they have an in line carbonation system for that? I hope..

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
I went to the original FatHeads in Pittsburgh. It was pretty cool and their house beers are pretty good. Better than Two Hearted, Flower Power, Green Flash West Coast, and Hopsecutioner? Not so sure about that.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
In the last thread people were comparing IPA/IIPA hype last year (and before) to this year.

Last year, Monk's Cafe in Philly got their one and only keg of Pliny the Younger and the line outside the door by the time they opened was more people than the number of tasting glasses in the keg.

This year they started serving PtY at 11:30am and at 5pm they apparently still have some left.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

SUPER HASSLER posted:

That or I'm convinced everyone had it and thought "Elder's better anyway"

That was what I thought, last year.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Phanatic posted:

A while ago at Teresa's, this happened:



That's a killer line up. There are only a handful of beers on that list that I've never had, but to be honest I'd rather have a Jaundrain-Jaundrainel saison or an Iris again than have a CBS for the first time.

Although that's kind of a lie, because I know my wife will always order things like the CBS that are big and shiny that she's never had, so I can get a taste while still ordering my favorites.

Either way, I definately get your point and agree with you. drat I want a Cantillon now, though. I might need to see what lambics we have in the fridge.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Midorka posted:

I know people are going to bitch about the drain pouring of the 3 Fonteinen so go for it.

I can understand why you didn't like it. Lots of people refer to certain beers as "sour" in the US, but in Belgium they refer to lambics as "acid beer," which I think is a much more fitting description. Enjoying a really good lambic is a lot more like enjoying a really good vinegar and a lot less like enjoying a really good tart berry.

Having said that, I can't really imagine why you would spend $40 on a bottle of beer that you aren't positive you will love.

Also I could drink a 750 of Schaerbeekse no problem, personally. One of the most delicious beers on earth.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Midorka posted:

It was highly recommended from a friend and I had a good income tax, it's only $40 and money, thankfully, isn't tight right now. I fell in love with Allagash's Interlude and figured it might be similar, I was wrong. I'm not saying it's a bad beer by any means, I'm just saying I didn't like it and didn't want to struggle with it is all. I see the comparisons to vinegar, but are there people that just drink vinegar?

Apart from a few weirdo health food fadists I don't think anyone swigs vinegar. But lots of people do enjoy specialty varieties of vinegar and eat them in fairly high concentration. Getting to the depth of the flavors inside a really great vinegar seems a lot like getting to the depth of flavor in a lambic. The acid is less harsh, so it's not like you need to pour the lambic over fries, but as an analogy I think it makes some sense.

Phanatic posted:

I always wonder how they come up with those figures. What, some time a bit over three years ago, they made a test batch to cellar, sampled it periodically, and then when it turns back into a pumpkin they figure "Three years it is, let's brew it for real"? Sort of like how they proof bridges by driving bigger and bigger trucks over the bridge until it fails, and then rebuild the bridge and put up weight limit signs based on the last truck that made it over.

I always wonder that, too. Especially like that when it's a brand new beer.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

The Dregs posted:

I have really been getting into trying out beers recently. I love stouts and malty beers, but I really don't like strong hoppy flavors and I can't stand IPA's. I was at a big liquor store the other day and I asked if they had any Corsendonk (I loving love that stuff, but it's too expensive to drink often). They brought their local 'beer guy' over to get it for me. He is this skinny dude with huge hair and a thick beard. He heaves a big, sad, sigh and asks me why I would buy that stuff when they have Bernardus.

"Because I like it?"

Another big sigh as he slumps off to fetch it from the back room. When he comes back he mentions that he is starting his own brewery-Burnt Hickory something or other, and that I should check them out. I agree to look for them. He says that they will only be brewing "real" beers. I ask what a real beer is. He says real beers have lots of hops...cascade, and a bunch of other hops names I can't recall.

I told him I am not into IPA's, but I'll certainly check out his website.

Another huge sigh. He says, "You're really gonna have to get over that, man. All those other beers are for Bud drinkers.

I guess I met my first beer snob. Do I really have to get over it? Do I? Because hops taste like Pine Sol.

Bernardus 12 is malty as hell, just FYI. One of the best Quads that money can buy.

If hops taste like Pine-Sol then you are either drinking lovely beers, or you have no real palate for hops. But there are a whole hell of a lot of fantastic beers that aren't hop-forward and honestly lots of really hop heavy beers aren't especially well made and rely on poo poo loads of hops to cover for a mediocre beer.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

The Dregs posted:

The Dogfish Head IPA on the other hand....tasted like lemon dishwater. You guys either have different taste buds than me, or you're masochists.

Neither, Dogfish Head is terrible.

Do you happen to remember what the Flemish beer was?

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Manky posted:

That's not true. They take a shotgun approach to craft beer, and that can involve some incredible successes and incredible failures.

Personally I've never had anything from them that I'd consider an incredible success, though I have had some incredible failures.

More than anything what bugs me about DFH is paying above normal prices for Sam's test batches. He comes up with an idea, brews it, shoves it out the door all without any serious testing to see if the beer is actually good. Honestly, I don't think Sam, personally, cares about making Good Beer at all, I think he is only interested in making Different Beer and if that beer happens to be good or gross it's pretty much the same to him. I kind of respect that, ideologically, but I hate it when I want to buy great beer.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Sublimer posted:

I think he cares. In 2010, Sam dumped an entire batch of 120 min IPA.

http://www.dogfish.com/community/blogfish/members/sam/sorry-to-say-the-120-is-not-on-the-way-yet.htm

Cue glib comment about "if DFH thinks it's under attenuated..."

In all seriousness I don't think anyone wants to rehash the whole Dogfish thing, so I'm sorry for picking the scab and I'll drop it. I apparently haven't vented enough, sorry.

Arnold of Soissons fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Mar 11, 2012

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

CalvinDooglas posted:

Brewing crap beer is different from a beer having a technical flaw. In that case of the 120 Min, the beer just didn't brew. When they do their goofy one-off beers that get universal "meh" ratings, the chemical reactions aren't the problem. It's that they bring stuff to market without really working up a better recipe.

On the Dogfish reality show, they did an episode where they took a trip to Peru to learn about Chicha. They found the oldest chicha brewers they could, women who traced their methods back 4 or 5 generations and who were themselves in their 80s. Not a single one of those women had ever heard of anyone actually chewing the corn before fermenting it. But Sam insisted that they do it anyway. And then brewed some poo poo that was like 4x the ABV of the real thing. And, worst of all, he pretended he was actually being authentic in any way shape or form.

It's just such a dedication to always placing concept over execution.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
That set is going to be pretty pricy, right?

If I saw it at my local shop the price would really dictate whether or not I'd pick it up.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Phanatic posted:

That's simply not true. I torrented that episode, and the second woman they featured on the episode combines germinated corn with chewed corn in her chicha. DFH has enough things you can legitimately criticize it for without having to make poo poo up.

I'll watch it again and see. Their crap was a million miles different from the authentic one either way, but I could be misremembering that part.

e- how did I forget that? Ok I was totally wrong. Sam's method was dumb and different and everything about his brew was stupid, but that old lady for sure chewed her corn.

Arnold of Soissons fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 12, 2012

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
Sam Adams Boston Lager is not really my favorite, but I love Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. I could drink it all the time, it's so drat good. In fact I haven't had one in a while and just thinking about it makes me want one.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

The Dregs posted:

Tried a Dirty Bastard tonight. The waitress said it was a scotch ale, but I am pretty sure it was their porter. It was black as hell and ashtray-y. Not too bad, but a little heavy on the cigarette butt for me.

I picked up a Mc Chouffe brown ale tonight. I bought it on a whim, I know nothing about it. I'm confident I will like it, though. Being new to craft beers is exciting.

The McChoffe is a Scotch ale too.

Personally it is by far my favorite Choffe beer.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Vertigo posted:

Second, a Leinenkugels(sp?) Big Eddy. Local shop was clearning out the 2011 4 packs, with a $12 price tag and a free Big Eddy Snifter. Really enjoying this beer. It's smooth, it's got the flavors I like and the hops arent dominant at all. Excellent brew.

There is a place not that far from here that has good food and a bar attached. The bar has lovely beers, but recently they added Big Eddy to the tap list. It's great, and I get one every time we go.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Midorka posted:

Old Viscosity with port wine marbled cheese didn't work too well, wound up mostly drinking the local port wine we had which worked better. I read a few reviews thinking Old Viscosity was going to have more chocolate flavor than it did, the strong black coffee flavor just didn't work too well with the cheese. Lesson learned.

Are you not testing these out yourself before you serve them?

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
Have you had any of their coolship beers? That might be something you could talk about, if you have.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

rage-saq posted:

They have bottled a number of the coolship beers that were brewery-only releases in very small numbers.

They had some in bottles at Night of Great Thirst, too.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Kraven Moorhed posted:

Thanks to the awesome gentlegoon funkybottoms, this happened tonight:


Not pictured: this thing is both capped and corked. What the hell?

Grats on your first lambic (kind) / first Cantillon! Glad you liked it!

I won't lie, the very first Cantillon I had I had kind of a hard time enjoying. I appreciated it but I had a hard time getting past just tasting the acidity.


On a similar note, we got this bad boy delivered today:

free plug: https://beerpaintings.blogspot.com

I worked until late tonight and she has to get up early tomorrow, but this weekend we'll have to nerd out and break out the logo glasses and sit between the painting and the Rose de Gambrinus poster and drink something aged in the cellar for a while.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
I liked the Great Lakes saisson, but apparently it is pretty polarizing. I'd buy it pretty often if it was available here.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW


2008 Cantillon Kriek last night.

Opened the bottle and the entire room filled up with a cherry aroma. It was fantastic. Cantillon from this vintage are known to be particularly acidic, but the cherry was so forward that the entire thing was wonderful tart-cherry. The brett and lacto were obviously present as well, my only regret is that I'm not still drinking it this second.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
I popped an Urthel quad and the cork says 20/07. Anybody have any idea when this beer was bottled? I'm assuming it wasn't 2007, but who knows. Been in our cellar for at least two years.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

FreelanceSocialist posted:

If you think beer there sucked hard, I would hate to go to a tasting with you at the vast majority of small breweries. :rolleyes:

I haven't been to either of those places, but one of the unspoken secrets of craft beer is that lots of small breweries are mediocre or outright lovely. Conceptually, more breweries and local breweries are both great ideas, but in practice lots of them really aren't special.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
I think Great Divide has an oaked IPA, but I'm pretty sure it's aged on wood, not in wood.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Midorka posted:

On the DFH topic, I just finished an Indian Brown Ale from them and very much enjoyed it. I haven't had one in two to three years, but this is a very easy drinking beer I greatly enjoyed despite me not liking brown ales usually.

The only DFH I like. But I don't *love* it, and it costs like $3/six more than other stuff, so gently caress it.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

TenaciousTomato posted:

Does drain pour literally mean just pour out the beer? If I could add another rule to Socialist's, it would be, don't waste loving beer.

Honestly, I think trying to live and die by a rule like that is sillier than drainpouring good/decent beer.

And, really, if you become a homebrewer you'll get over it fast. You wind up spilling a decent amount and after a few batches you realize it doesn't really add up to much. Especially if you keg your beer, you'll wind up dumping stuff from your lines or whatever.

e: for beer glasses, I always recommend these glasses: http://www.amazon.com/Libbey-pc-Poco-Grande-Set/dp/B001JJTXMC/ the quality is fantastic, the shape is exactly what you want. 13oz isn't huge, but it's not a big deal to pour another beer.

Arnold of Soissons fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Apr 4, 2012

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Kosher man posted:

I made a video for the Ratebeer Scavanger hunt. I will say ahead of time never drink a beer this way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xHjR8oJ1Vw&context=C4c0fa45ADvjVQa1PpcFNsUQkqLbNej7rQtsrJch2cRQa9Ju-hRt4=

that poor Cantillon tumbler is forever mared. :(

This guy had a funny approach to the same challenge, and is apparently your teammate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCcGp0gwyXI

Go Team Tubes!

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

TenaciousTomato posted:

What got ya'll into craft beer? For me it was my family offering me a La Fin du Monde last Christmas which is still one of my favorites to this day.

I grew up with neighbors from Germany, so I knew American beer was lovely before I was old enough to drink beer. The first beers I had were Guiness and Bass and hefes.

I really started getting in to beer way more recently. My wife and I split a 750 of Duvel. Then some Ommegang beers. Then Unibroue. By then the die was cast.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Midorka posted:

I'm pretty anti-Rogue lately after hearing a lot of bad poo poo about how they run their business in combination to a few really mediocre brews by them.

I can't think of a single Rouge beer that I've ever been impressed by, but I hadn't heard about any lovely business stuff.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

CalvinDooglas posted:

oh goddammit. I was passed over for the Tour Guide job, got hired for an unrelated non-profit job, and now they post all the other jobs.

Sorry you missed out on tour guide, but grats on the new job.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
I've never heard of Clown Shoes or Spring House. Are they newer breweries, or recently expanding, or am I just not up on things?

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Midorka posted:

I may be wrong in saying this, but Victory V12 is perhaps the best quad brewed in America, if it's a quad.

Trying to think of an exceptional US made quad and failing.

I'll buy a V12 based on your write up, though.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Kudosx posted:

The only other US made quad I even know of is Weyerbach's, and I've never tried it. I would really like to see Thirsty Dog near me make a quad... they make exceptional Belgian dubbels and tripels.

I bought a four pack of that, laid two down while I was in my "build a quad collection" phase and drank the other two. Wasn't terribly impressed, but it was good.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Phanatic posted:

3 Philosophers.

Oh yeah, that's a great one. I think I have a 2008 3P cellaring right now, actually. Can't believe I forgot that, Ommegang is the bomb.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Holy poo poo $40 for Lamvinus. That is either gouged as poo poo or Cantillon prices have gone way up in the last year.

Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW

Kudosx posted:

Speaking of shotgunning... there's a video of a dude on youtube chugging a 120 minute IPA.

I'm pretty sure I'd throw up mid-beer if I tried that with a 120 minute.

Actually... after searching on youtube, apparently chugging 120 minute is a popular video theme.

Gotta beat sipping one and, you know, tasting it.

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Arnold of Soissons
Mar 4, 2011

by XyloJW
I got a sampler of Magic Hat one time. The beers ranged from forgettable to hard-to-drink bad.

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