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Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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I love you all
Except it's a lovely hook because it has nothing to do with Taiwan being lucky. His whole intro is about how fantastically lucky Taiwan is to be so well off without resources. But it had nothing to do with lucky. It was just smart planning.

Besides, it's not like he brings any kind of commentary to the information. He's more or less reporting on someone else's study and acting all smug about it.

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sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

That's pretty much Friedman's gig - reporting the blindingly obvious with a dash of gee-whiz and trying to pretend he's insightful.

Dr. Eat
Jan 4, 2005
Brain Specialist
How hard is it to get a teaching gig in Taipei? Going on tealit seems all the positions are for outside the city proper. I loved the country when I visited just only want to get a job there if it's in Taipei (I'm a city person).

Have 1.5 years of TEFL experience in Seoul. No certs though.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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fiddly digits, itchy britches
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You'll be fine. You'll probably end up having to knock on some doors or networking to find a job, but it's entirely possible.

Dr. Eat
Jan 4, 2005
Brain Specialist
You think showing up with a suit/diploma and resume blasting is a good idea?

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

Dr. Eat posted:

You think showing up with a suit/diploma and resume blasting is a good idea?

Skip the suit, but yeah, thats how a lot of people do it.

quadrophrenic
Feb 4, 2011

WIN MARNIE WIN
I've been wondering about how exactly to go about that route. Do you recommend just buying a hotel room for a couple of weeks? How hard is it to find an English-speaking hotel? And should you get your ARC set up before you start applying to jobs?

Also, I don't expect an answer to this question, but if I applied to Hess for an August hire date, would they interview me now or closer to August? The last thing I heard from them was "We'll be in contact very soon" like a week and a half ago and the anticipation is killing me.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Hello Taiwan goons.

I'm going to move to Taiwan on a working holiday visa in a month or so.

I have enough savings to support myself without working for some time (although finding a job would be good, I don't want to spend it all) and would like to stay in a few different cities before I decide on one to settle in. Hotels are too expensive but I've found some nice apartments in Taipei on this website. I'm having trouble finding anything similar for other cities, does anyone have any recommendations?

open24hours fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Mar 14, 2012

Ravendas
Sep 29, 2001




Here's how I did it 6 years ago now.

Toss my resume, a little letter explaining who I am and why I want to come to Taiwan, and a picture of myself to every school that seemed decent on Tealit. I think I sent out 25ish. About 8 replied, only 5 were interested if I was currently in the country. 3 were interested and told me to fly over. I flew over with enough money (and a friend's apartment to crash in), and hit up those places. They liked me, I chose the best seeming one, and they hired me.

That's my story.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

quadrophrenic posted:

I've been wondering about how exactly to go about that route. Do you recommend just buying a hotel room for a couple of weeks? How hard is it to find an English-speaking hotel? And should you get your ARC set up before you start applying to jobs?

You can't even begin the ARC process until you have a work visa. You won't get a work visa until you have a job willing to sponsor one. What you do (assuming you're American) is applying for a 60 day visitor visa prior to your arrival. In order to get one, you have to purchase a round trip ticket with a 60 day time window. So, book the trip, apply for the visa, and come to Taiwan in that order.

You'll then have 60 days to do whatever the gently caress you want in the country. Travel, party, apply for jobs, whatever. After you get a job, your new employer will begin the paperwork to convert your visitor visa into a work visa. Once you have the work visa, you can apply for the ARC. Technically, it is illegal to work during this process, but no one seems to care much.

If you just land in Taiwan with no visa, you're granted a 30 day landing visa. This cannot be converted (last I checked anyway) into a work visa. You'll have to leave the country and apply for a visa from somewhere else first.

quote:

Also, I don't expect an answer to this question, but if I applied to Hess for an August hire date, would they interview me now or closer to August? The last thing I heard from them was "We'll be in contact very soon" like a week and a half ago and the anticipation is killing me.

Hess took awhile to get back to me, but eventually did offer me a position. However, because they took so drat long to tell me I was in, I had gone off and accepted work somewhere else.

Spanish Matlock
Sep 6, 2004

If you want to play the I-didn't-know-this-was-a-hippo-bar game with me, that's fine.
The way I did it was come here on the landing visa, go to hong kong for the visitor visa and then come back to taipei. Hong Kong or Bangkok trips will run you about 9000NT round trip (300 dollars or so).

I usually sleep on a park bench in Hong Kong, because I'm a giant beast man and no one's going to gently caress with me anyway. Just find a park with a couple homeless dudes around and you're set. (Homeless dudes mean that there'll be no cops and the prospect of getting shiv'd is pretty low).

quadrophrenic
Feb 4, 2011

WIN MARNIE WIN

Spanish Matlock posted:

The way I did it was come here on the landing visa, go to hong kong for the visitor visa and then come back to taipei. Hong Kong or Bangkok trips will run you about 9000NT round trip (300 dollars or so).

I usually sleep on a park bench in Hong Kong, because I'm a giant beast man and no one's going to gently caress with me anyway. Just find a park with a couple homeless dudes around and you're set. (Homeless dudes mean that there'll be no cops and the prospect of getting shiv'd is pretty low).

I'm 6'3'' and comfortable with this advice.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

poo poo, as a 5'9" 17-year-old I did that several times.

Also I'd say unless you really do have the money, don't get accommodation from that website. gently caress me is that some expensive living. NT$40,000 for a two-bedroom apartment? That better be loving nice, since it's a piece of piss to get a reasonably good two-bedroom apartment for half that.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

I was looking at the 18000( or a bit more for short term) ones, but I'm open to suggestions.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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open24hours posted:

I was looking at the 18000( or a bit more for short term) ones, but I'm open to suggestions.
I'd start your standards at 10,000, then maaaaaaybe up to 15,000 if you need wiggle room. An 18k place had better be pretty baller for one person only. I can't speak for short term stuff though.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

open24hours posted:

I was looking at the 18000( or a bit more for short term) ones, but I'm open to suggestions.
Do you know any Chinese? There are a bunch of Chinese-language sites that could provide pretty sweet accommodation for cheaper. Otherwise, unless you're really hung up on the whole having-a-sweet-apartment thing, why not hit a hostel or find a place that's OK with short-term stays on Tealit?

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Nope, no Chinese. I suspect this is a big part of my problem.

I had a look on Tealit and didn't really see anything that looked that nice for significantly less money.

poetrywhore
Oct 4, 2002
JV's hostel in Taipei is friendly to people moving to Taiwan to teach. When I stayed there there were two other cats doing the same thing, and the employees were actually helping them find a place. Love that hostel.

thegoat
Jan 26, 2004
Just as a note if you are Canadian you get a 90day landing visa.

USDA Choice
Jul 4, 2004

BIG TEN PRIDE
I'm not sure if this is what open24hours is talking about but just to clarify some things some countries do indeed have 'Working Holiday Schemes' with Taiwan which seem to allow acquisition of an ARC without already having a job.

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/workingholiday/taiwanworkingholidayscheme.htm is an example for New Zealand, after a little browsing it seemed England had something similar, maybe Germany and some others. It also looks like an employer's dream as it would be super easy to pay under the table when they're not even supposed to be working at one place for too long anyway.

If price is an issue, hostels are fine for short term and often include AC and wifi. Just check the reviews to see how their English is.

edit-
:saddowns: I did find some stuff on the boca.gov.tw website that actually was related to coming to Taiwan for what it's worth.

USDA Choice fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Mar 14, 2012

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

That NZ one is for Taiwanese going to NZ, not the other way around. I don't think there's a NZ to Taiwan counterpart. Which'd make sense, 'cause I know most working holiday stuff in NZ is tourism-related or fruit-picking, but I can't imagine what some random Kiwi kid who speaks no Chinese is going to do short-term here.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

I am on a working holiday visa from Australia which will hopefully make things a bit easier.

Thanks for the advice, I am kind of hung up on the whole having-a-nice-apartment thing though so I'll keep looking.

Spanish Matlock
Sep 6, 2004

If you want to play the I-didn't-know-this-was-a-hippo-bar game with me, that's fine.
Who the gently caress wants to live alone anyway? I'd rather have a place with a bedroom and a living room and not just a bedlivingkitchen.

DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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Spanish Matlock posted:

Who the gently caress wants to live alone anyway? I'd rather have a place with a bedroom and a living room and not just a bedlivingkitchen.
Do expats actually have roommates in Taiwan? That terrifies me. Of course I have had some pretty crazy roommates as those are the people attracted to the cheap places I could afford.

Ravendas
Sep 29, 2001




DontAskKant posted:

Do expats actually have roommates in Taiwan? That terrifies me. Of course I have had some pretty crazy roommates as those are the people attracted to the cheap places I could afford.

Lots do. I never did, except for my girlfriend (now wife).

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

DontAskKant posted:

Do expats actually have roommates in Taiwan? That terrifies me. Of course I have had some pretty crazy roommates as those are the people attracted to the cheap places I could afford.
Yep. Eight years and counting, never had a place here without at least one roommate, and two or three for most of it.

AquaticIguana
Apr 29, 2009

I dabble in honky sorcery from time to time.
Is a BA pretty much required for all the teaching positions? I only have an associate degree, but I have 5+ years working in childcare.

Ravendas
Sep 29, 2001




AquaticIguana posted:

Is a BA pretty much required for all the teaching positions? I only have an associate degree, but I have 5+ years working in childcare.

It's the government requirement to get a working permit/ARC, so yes.

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

DontAskKant posted:

Do expats actually have roommates in Taiwan? That terrifies me. Of course I have had some pretty crazy roommates as those are the people attracted to the cheap places I could afford.

I've done both, and currently live alone in a 2 bedroom place. I tried to find a roommate here, but live a little off the grid so no one wanted to move in.

I don't mind so much though. My roommates before included:

- 1st one was a guy who almost never cleaned his floor (it was a 2 story apartment) so the downstairs was a complete sty. Super nice guy though.

- Then 2 other guys. One was cool, the other was an alcoholic. It wasn't so bad, but my own drinking was getting pretty out of control being there so I was actually pretty happy when they said I had to move out (another guy moved in, and there wasn't room for me).

So basically just your typical roommate situation should you choose to get one.

thegoat
Jan 26, 2004
Down here in kaohsiung I live centrally and in a 2 bedroom place for 8/month. Cheap cheap cheap. Obviously love alone for this price

DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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Do I need a US FBI CBC for Taiwan? I am somehow missing information on this.

USDA Choice
Jul 4, 2004

BIG TEN PRIDE

DontAskKant posted:

Do I need a US FBI CBC for Taiwan? I am somehow missing information on this.

A check by your local municipal department should be fine, if it's required at all. I can't recall exactly maybe someone who applied more recently can tell but I think checks are only required by the individual school and are not for the visa. I can tell you that for Hess a year and a half ago I for sure only needed a check by the police of my suburb.

DontAskKant
Aug 13, 2011

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USDA Choice posted:

A check by your local municipal department should be fine, if it's required at all. I can't recall exactly maybe someone who applied more recently can tell but I think checks are only required by the individual school and are not for the visa. I can tell you that for Hess a year and a half ago I for sure only needed a check by the police of my suburb.
I got the full US FBI CBC and bunch of apostilles for Korea and they apparently changed the laws here so that you have to have a new FBI CBC even if you haven't been back to the US since you last got it. So that's a nice $200+ I have to spend for that.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

As far as I'm aware, you only need a full FBI background check for getting permanent residency. I don't know about Americans, but I know as a New Zealander I've never had to produce a criminal background check for a normal ARC.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

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Soiled Meat

TetsuoTW posted:

As far as I'm aware, you only need a full FBI background check for getting permanent residency. I don't know about Americans, but I know as a New Zealander I've never had to produce a criminal background check for a normal ARC.
This is accurate for Americans, and it's an amazing pain in the rear end because it needs to be notarized, translated, and notarized again.

E: vvv yeah, this is part of why I'm being lazy about getting around to it myself

duckfarts fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Mar 16, 2012

Ravendas
Sep 29, 2001




duckfarts posted:

This is accurate for Americans, and it's an amazing pain in the rear end because it needs to be notarized, translated, and notarized again.

Ugh, was thinking about getting an APRC soon too.

Spanish Matlock
Sep 6, 2004

If you want to play the I-didn't-know-this-was-a-hippo-bar game with me, that's fine.

Ravendas posted:

Ugh, was thinking about getting an APRC soon too.

I got a two year ARC from my school which is good until next december, and I qualify this december. So I literally have all the time I need to make it happen.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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Anyone looking for lovely hours in a lovely location?

USDA Choice
Jul 4, 2004

BIG TEN PRIDE

Haraksha posted:

Anyone looking for lovely hours in a lovely location?

Sanxia? How well is it paying and what hours?

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Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I'm not really sure about the pay. My guess is 500NT if you are an actual native speaker and less if they can get away with it. It's 5-6:30 MWF and 5-8 TR. I'm not 100% on that though.

They will not sponsor an ARC. This is strictly a part time evening position. There will likely be morning and afternoon hours available in the summer, but you'll still probably work the same number of hours.

However, the work environment is great. Everyone here is awesome. There's very, very little bullshit associated with the position. We have a homegrown curriculum that's phenomenal. You don't have to grade homework or come in early or stay late. The only unpaid time is breaks between periods and they even give you dinner on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

The biggest pain in the rear end is coming up with a graduation and Christmas show and Halloween game.

But on the plus side I can introduce you to the wonders of the bar (that's singular) scene.

Atlas Hugged fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Mar 10, 2013

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