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^^ Amusingly, I used to make decent cash proof reading essays for humanities courses from the ones that wanted to keep their GPA's up. Here's another secret: Those of us that can write coherently will still often obfuscate it to avoid being called or dragged into meetings. Personally I prefer to update reports with >100 word sentences.
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Jun 8, 2012 20:41
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I just wish a third of professional writers were any loving good at it. Especially people like King and Florio, who have the contacts to write amazing stuff every week.
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Jun 8, 2012 20:45
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Oodles of Wootles posted:How often do you hear "I don't need to know how to write, I'm an engineer"? Thankfully, there are two people between the engineers and me. I look at the sentence and think "nope, not publishing this. Rewrite it." I send that back to my person, who moves it on to the proper person in, oh, Astrophysics. That guy hands it back to the engineer. He's probably the guy that then gets to hear it. The thing that baffles me is that hockey seems to have better writers. Baseball is all smug jackasses, but football is smug morons.
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Jun 8, 2012 20:50
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Rap posted:I love copy editing with all my little shriveled awful hosed heart Do you just laugh maniacally the entire time?
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Jun 8, 2012 21:20
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I think I'm really really good at it. Which means yes, even when reading newspaper copy, i laugh and laugh bc there are lots of errors. I also know rules better than me posts might indicate for instance one is No cat pictures in the text!! 
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Jun 8, 2012 21:28
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uhh, sorry, proffessor, but the rule is *always* cat pictures in the text 
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Jun 8, 2012 21:48
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Rap posted:I just wish a third of professional writers were any loving good at it. Especially people like King and Florio, who have the contacts to write amazing stuff every week. How many editors do you think PK has driven to suicide? Language butchery, King excels at you.
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Jun 8, 2012 22:24
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Copy editing is tons of fun, I know all the symbols and I have a green pen for being nice and a red pen for putting the fear of God into writers please hire me, somebody Also the thing to keep in mind is that the average football writer is writing for a pretty broad audience who typically won't notice common grammatical and syntactic errors; also Peter King has no editor and cranks out MMQB in 12 hours on a train, this is literally the process that I use to write college papers I don't want to do E: Also, seeing Favre watching Lard Lad on a television screen is still magical
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Jun 8, 2012 23:32
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Declan MacManus posted:Copy editing is tons of fun, I know all the symbols and I have a green pen for being nice and a red pen for putting the fear of God into writers I'm in the same boat, man. Declan MacManus posted:Also the thing to keep in mind is that the average football writer is writing for a pretty broad audience who typically won't notice common grammatical and syntactic errors; also Peter King has no editor and cranks out MMQB in 12 hours on a train, this is literally the process that I use to write college papers I don't want to do If reporters reporting on reporters were a corporeal being, I'd drive a stake through its heart. I'd do the time happily, knowing no one ever has to see something like Mary Carillo fawning over Peter King again.
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Jun 9, 2012 00:41
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Oodles of Wootles posted:How often do you hear "I don't need to know how to write, I'm an engineer"? I have a friend who is an engineer, he calls me about once a month and has me write out his research notes into an actual coherent document, which he then turns in to his boss for a stupid pay raise. Last time I asked him for a little pocket cash for doing it, he told me all the payment I needed was in finding an actual use for that Journalism degree. My friend is a douche bag. And apparently gives credit to engineers not understanding how to write.
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Jun 9, 2012 00:49
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Statler posted:I have a friend who is an engineer, he calls me about once a month and has me write out his research notes into an actual coherent document, which he then turns in to his boss for a stupid pay raise. I need more doormat friends like you.
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Jun 9, 2012 02:27
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If you don't value your time, no one else will either
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Jun 9, 2012 02:39
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Declan MacManus posted:If you don't value your time, no one else will either *finally quits two-hour Friday evening session of a computer game thats like 5 years old* How True.
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Jun 9, 2012 03:05
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Rap posted:I just wish a third of professional writers were any loving good at it. Especially people like King and Florio, who have the contacts to write amazing stuff every week. Well Florio has flat out owned his site since day one, so nobody's gonna edit him. Peter King has Too Big To Edit syndrome; plenty of authors develop it when they make it big (compare the size and pace of an early Stephen King book with a recent one, JK Rowling is another one). Really, I've made the complaint before about the difference in editorial belief between SI and ESPN. SI didn't seem to understand the internet much, and let their star writers go hog wild with lifestyle blogs. That's why King and Zimmerman (who I would take back in a heartbeat, warts and all  ) were allowed to fill columns with Flaming Redhead and Coffee Chat, while at ESPN guys like Mortensen and Pasquarelli were writing actual sports-related columns. ESPN saw their online site as just another extension of their brand, and required their reporters to act like reporters; that's why they created Page 2: to specifically have a place for more lifestyle and out-there pieces on sports.
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Jun 9, 2012 04:54
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I went looking for an example of one of the awful sentences I wanted a rewrite on, but was denied. Instead I found a thing that: 1) I designed 2) I wrote 3) I proofread, twice 4) I checked off on 5) I missed two capitalizations Good job me! still got a bonus out of it
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Jun 9, 2012 05:41
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GD_American posted:Well Florio has flat out owned his site since day one, so nobody's gonna edit him. Peter King has Too Big To Edit syndrome; plenty of authors develop it when they make it big (compare the size and pace of an early Stephen King book with a recent one, JK Rowling is another one). Sash! posted:I went looking for an example of one of the awful sentences I wanted a rewrite on, but was denied.
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Jun 9, 2012 06:56
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Sash! posted:I'm an editor (among other things) by trade. Oh. Oh god. I'm so sorry. Speaking as an engineer who was the only person in our entire department to have something even so basic as Strunk and White in his bookshelf (let alone anything more comprehensive or recent), I'm so, so very sorry. After years of trying to grade undergraduate engineers' attempts at writing everything from paragraph-length short answers to five page reports, the idea of doing it as a career kind of makes me want to start projectile vomiting. Instead I just get to do the majority of proposal writing for my company now that my boss has learned that I can tell my rear end from a passive voice verb.  Anyone who has to edit engineer writing for a living deserves a free drink at the bar every Friday, to commemorate the end of another week of that.
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Jun 9, 2012 15:00
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It gets even more depressing when you see things produced by actual, money-making authors whose job is supposedly to take ideas and put them into coherent plots and comprehensible English language; then their results could have been easily fixed by one English grad saying "wait these two parts don't connect, this attempt to whittle down characters is too transparent, the motivation for this character has many contradictory reveals". Yeah, guess which movie I just saw last night. I understand that sites like Florio don't lend themselves to editors, but the very obvious lack of influence that editors have at more traditional places like SI is depressing. GD_American fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jun 9, 2012 |
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Jun 9, 2012 15:28
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There's no excuse for not having editors, though - I worked at a wire service where speed = money in the most direct sense and we just had really good, really fast editors. Florio pisses me off so much because he's a bad reporter and a bad writer. Peter King has the tools to be great at both - his problem is self-indulgence, not talent. Florio is just sort of a not-very-bright guy who lucked into a prominent position. Terry Bradshaw Expressway indeed
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Jun 9, 2012 20:39
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Also my girlfriend is a bilingual editor/proofreader for the main publication of the canadian government. So she writes, translates, and edits stuff in both official languages, much of which was written by random public servants with a) no writing training whatsoever b) little skill in their second language and c) a vested interest in obfuscating the real meaning of the law/regulation/proposal. I do not envy her job.
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Jun 9, 2012 20:43
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Blackula69 posted:Also my girlfriend is a bilingual editor/proofreader for the main publication of the canadian government. So she writes, translates, and edits stuff in both official languages, much of which was written by random public servants with a) no writing training whatsoever b) little skill in their second language and c) a vested interest in obfuscating the real meaning of the law/regulation/proposal. Does it gently caress up her grammar when she's speaking socially? Because I spent a while studying Spanish and I keep having to fight the urge to drop Spanish words into my speech patterns, which is especially annoying since I now live in a place where nobody speaks Spanish.
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Jun 9, 2012 21:21
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Blackula69 posted:I do not envy her job. My client is a Federal agency. The self-importance of sportswriters is what kills me. Yeah I love football too, but you don't have a dream job as far as I'm concerned. I give zero fucks about you as a person because I care about the football. Not your jackass opinion. Which is why I don't read anyone's columns or anything. I get to write about space which is more fun to me than turning a diversion and escapist fantasy into work. I've been incredibly self-aware of my grammar in these posts, but...gently caress it I'm off the clock.
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Jun 9, 2012 21:21
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Blackula69 posted:There's no excuse for not having editors, though - I worked at a wire service where speed = money in the most direct sense and we just had really good, really fast editors. King also has no real inclination/incentive to rock the boat at all. The status quo with the league (i.e. Goodell being god-king) has made him fat and happy, so there's no reason to challenge it. I'm not saying he should suddenly become an anarchist or anything, but he is very much the mouthpiece of the league office (and NBC! Isn't the Nard-dog funny? Watch our Thursday comedy lineup!).
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Jun 9, 2012 21:21
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midwat posted:King also has no real inclination/incentive to rock the boat at all. The status quo with the league (i.e. Goodell being god-king) has made him fat and happy, so there's no reason to challenge it. You know what else has made him fat and happy? Lots of cream infused coffee drinks I'm not sure who the antithesis of King would be. I can only remember beat writers by name if they're being self-important douches.
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Jun 9, 2012 21:25
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Declan MacManus posted:You know what else has made him fat and happy? Lots of cream infused coffee drinks It's not often you can purchase a man's undying loyalty for a triple grande whole milk hazelnut latte.
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Jun 9, 2012 21:40
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Writing Owns.
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Jun 10, 2012 20:46
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Rap posted:Writing Owns. no it dusnt u dooshebag
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Jun 11, 2012 04:40
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Writing owns, commenters suck.
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Jun 11, 2012 05:14
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:Writing owns, commenters suck. My stuff gets into the newspaper every once in a while, and the comments on AJC.com made me want to quit forever.
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Jun 11, 2012 08:30
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Former panthers beat writer darin Gantt just took a job with PFT. he's typically pretty good, though he does have a couple of  opinions. (tony romo is jake delhomme without playoff wins, etc )
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Jun 11, 2012 14:13
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/\/\/\ I've heard worse, but that is a little  The Incredible Ed posted:My stuff gets into the newspaper every once in a while, and the comments on AJC.com made me want to quit forever. My favorite commenters are the ones who rail against scientific fact, and use that to "prove" you wrong.
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Jun 11, 2012 16:10
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:/\/\/\ I've heard worse, but that is a little I like the ones who are anti-science then say something and back it up by going "jst my opinion BUT ALSO A FACT"
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Jun 11, 2012 16:55
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Frot Lesnar posted:I like the ones who are anti-science then say something and back it up by going "jst my opinion BUT ALSO A FACT" I often dream of publishing an article entitled "Logic for losers" that covers why their comments are useless and they are dumb. But then I wake up.
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Jun 11, 2012 17:20
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Blackula69 posted:Florio pisses me off so much because he's a bad reporter and a bad writer. Peter King has the tools to be great at both - his problem is self-indulgence, not talent. Florio is just sort of a not-very-bright guy who lucked into a prominent position. Terry Bradshaw Expressway indeed Florio is basically the Star Jones of the sports world.
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Jun 11, 2012 19:10
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I want to reach through the internet and nutpunch anyone that puts "just a thought" at the end of their comment. OF COURSE ITS JUST A THOUGHT.
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Jun 12, 2012 02:04
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Sash! posted:I want to reach through the internet and nutpunch anyone that puts "just a thought" at the end of their comment. quote:...JUST A THOUGHT.
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Jun 12, 2012 08:03
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I refuse to nutpunch myself.
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Jun 13, 2012 03:37
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Miami beat writers: All shitheads.quote:Omar Kelly @OmarKelly This was out of the blue on Kelly's twitter yesterday.
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I know, Evan Silva really needs to learn how to plagiarize posts off fan forums and hand them in as his columns. This industry has standards, god dammit. EDIT: Double points for a real journalist not knowing the difference between plural and possessive.
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