nrr posted:

I think what is super hard is actually becomming a high profile sports journalist to begin with. Then from there, the ridiculously insanely hard part is still being a decent, respectable journalist while you're paid no matter what tripe you put out. It's like being told pants are optional and showing up to work in pants every day anyway. It's gotta be tough to continue to adhere to a standard while the majority of your target market is either drunk and/or doesn't know poo poo about what you're talking about anyway.

Without knowing a single journalist or having any real knowledge on the field, to me, the real problem here is the inherant target market of recreational journalism. Not that major "serious" news companies put out a decent product overall, but there still remains quality journalism within their ranks. When you look at recreational journalism like sport and video games though, (and to a lesser extent, tourism,) trying to find a well written, well sourced article without bias or spin is way more of a challenge than it should be. At least looking at it from a journalism perspective. I'm starting to think a lot of these guys don't really think of themselves as "journalists" any more though.

midwat posted:

I don't think him having an opinion disqualifies him from covering an issue fairly. If that were so, journalism would be completely impossible.

The crux of the matter is if his opinion of the owner unfairly slanted his reports. Did he omit information in the owner's favor? Was he unnecessarily critical about the owner?

If so, it's a problem. If not, he's doing what every journalist on the planet does - quoting someone he thinks is an idiot.

ulmont posted:

This is bullshit. Asking one side "what do you say," asking the other side "what do you say," and then writing it down, is stenography, not journalism.

Similarly, if you've done an investigation, and you don't tell me what you think the actual truth is, there's no point in not just reading each side's press releases.

Doing the above leads to stories that read "Opinions on the shape of the earth differ." If one side says the earth is flat, and the other says the earth is round, it is a disservice to the readers (viewers, listeners, etc.) to not actually say "and the flat side is completely wrong."

GD_American posted:

Really don't see why this one got under your skin so bad, Ham. It certainly means everything he writes from here out is taken with a grain of salt, but it largely just means he was dumb enough not to understand how to be discrete about his opinions.

Weigh his case against:

a) The overwhelming number of beat reporters that commit offenses just as bad by gargling their team owner's ballsacks

b) The ones that utter opinions like Grossi's, except instead of in a misdirected DM, they actually write them in their loving columns and come back to those opinions in future columns.

Ehud posted:

Hello thread. Here is a good read on what makes Bleacher Report so terrible:

http://deadspin.com/5948516?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Sash! posted:

Almost 60% of marriages fail because they can't agree if Y counts or not.

Mr. Funny Pants posted:

I'm a Raiders fan and also saw a game at Browns stadium. I sort of had an opposite cool experience. I was seated near a huge block of seats that Raider fans had bought, so it was a good sized number of people, doing chants and such. The cool thing was that they were going back and forth with the Browns fans in the near sections and it was completely good-natured. The Browns fans would yell some insulting chant, the Raider fans would answer, and everyone was laughing and having a good time.

My wife is a Steeler fan and we've been to one Steeler game in Browns stadium. She wasn't obnoxious, she didn't wear any gear and when the Steelers scored (a frequent occurrence), her cheering was pretty mild. She was seated next to a pair of women who combined had to be 450 years old. The Steelers got an interception and Kelly spontaneously jumped up and yelled, "Yes!" The old woman next to her snapped, "Shut up!" She genuinely looked like she wanted to kill my wife.

Randomly Specific posted:

Revisiting that 'scooped on Twitter business' it reminds me of an article that I read before the election, talking about how the media still gets excited about chronological scoops (being the first with a story that everyone will get) rather than enterprise scoops (being the first with a story that nobody else even knows exists yet.)

I mean, whoopty-do that you're the 'first' to report that Roethlisberger is down? It's just a matter of being closest to the keyboard when the story breaks, not because of any extra-special super reporter powers.

Blackula69 posted:

I worked for a national wire service and breaking news fast is totally awesome. Then again, getting it right is equally important. Florio does neither

quote:

Still not starting, Tebow feels Jets misled him
By Mike Freeman | National NFL Insider
December 18, 2012 3:46 pm ET

Mark Sanchez is benched. That's not a shock. Fifty turnovers in two seasons will do that. What is a shock is that Tim Tebow didn't get the start and I'm told he isn't happy about it at all.

Greg McElroy will quarterback the team Sunday, but let's back up for a moment. When the Jets traded for Tebow, he was informed that he would get a chance to start should something happen to Sanchez (either due to injury or benching). But that hasn't truly happened and I'm told Tebow feels like the Jets misled him.

Tebow may deny this because he's the good soldier but there's no question he feels this way.

Whether you think Tebow can play quarterback or not, these feelings are understandable. Why in the hell did the Jets trade for Tebow? That's a fair question. Part of the answer may be that Tebow is so bad in practice, they don't feel they can trust him. But the Jets had to have some idea that Tebow can't run a conventional offense. All they had to do is look at what he did in Denver.

So some of this was Rex Ryan's ego. He thought he could mold Tebow into a good quarterback but now Ryan sees what the Broncos discovered: that it's an impossible mission. So now the quarterback situation is messy.

And will only get worse.

nrr posted:

ahaha oh man I am biting my posting tongue so hard right now you're lucky i love you ham.

Anals of History posted:

Florio's take on a recent Kaepernick interview where he was plugging Michelle Obama's "Let's Play" initiative:


Kaepernick's visit to the radio show was likely scheduled well before the Smith trade and was predicated solely on talking about this philanthropic cause. Regardless of this basic fact, Florio:

• Gets mad that Kaep completely side-stepped all drama with a completely logical answer and only talked about helping kids stay active. Worthless drivel compared to the possibility of hearing one human being verbally poo poo on another, right?
  
• Implies that the "Let's Play" plug was just a handy smokescreen that shielded Kaepernick from having to tell the truth.
  
• Says its "crystal clear" that Smith is getting traded based on this interview. It was crystal clear months ago, you twat.

This has been your "gently caress Mike Florio" moment for March 1, 2013.

nrr posted:

ahaha oh man I am biting my posting tongue so hard right now you're lucky i love you ham.

nrr posted:

Isaac Bruce Bowen posted:

If I ever miraculously find out that King will be on one of my flights and that we will be sitting next to each other, I plan to not wear any deodorant for a couple of days prior so that he can write about smelly Indian passengers.