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jyrka posted:Wouldn't your general body language give it away almost instantly that you're a very good player? The way you hold the cue, how you chalk it, how you walk around the table etc. No? I would imagine regular hustling would teach you to hide things like that.
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jyrka posted:Wouldn't your general body language give it away almost instantly that you're a very good player? The way you hold the cue, how you chalk it, how you walk around the table etc. No? Well usually you also need to be a bit skilled to perceive those thins. From the description I get the idea that most bar-players barely know what they're doing so it is no surprise a bit of masking, a bit of alcohol and a whole lot of ego make someone temporarily blind.
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Local Resident posted:There's a whole subforum for financial stuff, so I'm sure you'd be much better served over there. Jefepato posted:To be honest, the stock market isn't bad if you stay away from short-term trading and speculation and focus mainly on stable income-producing stocks. (Did your uncle get burned by the market?) But you would have to put in the time to learn the basics of how to pick decent stocks. It's not that hard, but it's time that might be better spent shooting pool. Thanks to both for the info and thanks to those that pm'ed me I now know a little bit more about what to do with my money. muskrat posted:Awesome thread. My weakness is long table shots with the cueball resting on the rail. It is very hard to control the cueball on a shot like that and you only have a small part of the ball to hit. In my opinion it's the toughest shot in pool. My favorite shot is the long bank shot if the ball is not frozen on the rail at the other end of the table I can bank it into almost any pocket including the side pockets if I have a weird angle on the ball I can send it 2 rails into the side pocket. jyrka posted:Wouldn't your general body language give it away almost instantly that you're a very good player? The way you hold the cue, how you chalk it, how you walk around the table etc. No? If you are shooting pool in a dive bar it's a must that you act the part. Including looking like your having trouble holding the stick, I sometimes change my bridge a few times in the first couple of shots to make it look like I am getting comfortable with a certain bridge. If you make it look like you have a hard time holding the stick that goes a long way. Acting like you are drunk or high is pretty easy to do especially around strangers who don't know you. A little slurred speech, pauses between words making look like you lost your train of thought and of course the stumbling around. The easiest one to do is to make it look like your are trying to lean on something but missing it completely and almost falling to the ground. I don't do my normal routine when I am hustling someone that will give it away to quick. I make sure not to chalk my stick and miscue on a purpose a few times. You would be amazed at how many times someone will tell me "chalk is free". If I am gambling with someone who knows I am a good player then I don't need to act like anything. I spent a lot of time in my uncle's basement at family gatherings with my uncles getting drunk and shooting pool. Before I even took a drink I could act like a drunk and I think I do a pretty good job at it. If anyone hasn't seen the movie Diggstown you should go watch it now. Not only is it a a great movie but it has a great scene where Oliver Platt hustles some guys in a pool room for pink slips while he is drunk off his rear end. I couldn't find it on youtube but I did find it on another site and it's just so perfect the way he hustles them. It's a short clip and it doesn't go into to much detail but I think it hits it right on the head with hustling. http://movieclips.com/uNJy-diggstown-movie-the-con-and-the-hustle/
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Sorry for asking, but as nothing more than a novice player that only plays when someone is doing 2s and the better person needs a proper handicap, what does chalking the stick actually do?
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Juanito posted:This thread is awesome. I saw something like this happen at a lovely little dive in northern Minnesota. Two guys were getting into it and started shoving eachother. One guy tried to break the stick over his knee, the other guy just took a swing with the unbroken cue. Caught him in the temple with the fat end of the stick and knocked him out cold.
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Awesome Animals posted:Sorry for asking, but as nothing more than a novice player that only plays when someone is doing 2s and the better person needs a proper handicap, what does chalking the stick actually do? It gives the tip a better grip on the ball when it strikes. Pool is all about physics. Unless you are hitting the cue ball dead center, and the queue is perfectly horizontal with the table, the stick is going to try to deflect off the ball, and if this happens your shot is not going to do what you thought it would. The chalk helps to prevent this.
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jase1 posted:A road player called a local pool hall looking for action a few months ago I went to watch him shoot and was thinking about maybe playing him. He seemed like a decent shot and I watched him go through 3 or 4 really good players before I called my uncle Frank because I felt like he would kick my rear end. He is considered one of the best pool players in our area guys love to gamble with him and I haven't seen him lose but maybe 5 times in 20 years. He is a machine at the table and I told him there was some really good action at this hall. As soon as he gets to the hall he calls me outside and says stay away from that guy he is the #1 bank pool player in the world. His name was John Braumback and the guy is the hall of fame for pool and he still drives around and hustles guys. I watched this young kid named scooter lose close to 15k to him and it was a huge learning lesson. Was he really hustling anyone there? There was a thread about a traveling pool player here a few years ago, and the way he described it sounded like a lot of the known pros didn't bother hustling anyone because they still got action from people wanting to prove how good they were. Pretty much like how you described with Dippy Dave.
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Just a jealous novice here. I am buying myself a pool table when I get my own place and practicing like crazy.
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I always wanted to be a hustler. I used to live in a few pool halls around here but never put in the effort or developed the consistency to get really good. Thanks for letting me live it through your stories its making me want to start playing again
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Do you have trick shots that you do to make it look like you "got lucky" with a key shot, rather than just being good? Or other ways to win without looking like a good player? I.e., can you hustle someone without them knowing that you're actually a better than them?
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Great thread! When I lived overseas I was betting on pool games with other expats three or five nights a week. I only ever bet as low as the next round of drinks or as high as fifty bucks. I wouldn't say I was hustling though, because I know I'm not a great player. Reading this thread makes me want to get back to a pool hall and practice and get better because I miss the thrill of playing for cash. Do you have any training tips? I get practicing difficult shots but a lot of the local joints near me take quarters and take your balls after they get pocketed and I don't otherwise have a table to freely practice on.
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Harry posted:Was he really hustling anyone there? There was a thread about a traveling pool player here a few years ago, and the way he described it sounded like a lot of the known pros didn't bother hustling anyone because they still got action from people wanting to prove how good they were. Pretty much like how you described with Dippy Dave. I think in this case he was hustling. He is not walking around with a sign that says I am in the hall of fame and from what I remember Scooter had no clue who he was. No matter how good you are there is always a bit of hustling going on I never really want anyone to know how good I truly am until I take all their money. I understand what your saying though someone as famous as him doesn't really need to hustle anyone because people are always going to step up to him to see if they can beat him. evensevenone posted:Do you have trick shots that you do to make it look like you "got lucky" with a key shot, rather than just being good? Or other ways to win without looking like a good player? I don't know if I would call them trick shots it's just my cueball control is a really good strength in my game. I can take a shot and leave myself in a tough situation to make it look like I am not as good as I am. The whole goal of hustling someone is to as someone earlier in thread put it deceive them into believing that I am not that good of a player. The thing I do a lot is miss really easy shots and then when I make a hard one I act surprised like I can't believe I just made a shot like that. I do have a couple of I guess you call them trick shots that I can do on a consistent basis. If you have ever seen the movie Poolhall Junkies there is shot the main character does that is a really tough shot but also looks like an impossible shot. Here is the video of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRNyooGpgb4 I can't even count how many times I have done this shot and won money off it or free drinks. It's actually a pretty easy shot if you know what type of english to put on the cueball. Trick shots aren't really my thing though. I love to watch those guys on tv and if I am at a big tourney they usually have a trickshot challenge and I always watch those. This one guy Mike Massey invented a trick where he jumps the cue ball into his boot away from the table. It's really impressive stuff. I watched him do it live at the derby city classic and he did it on the first try. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4gT1yhKs5A I meet up with my uncle this weekend and we shoot some pool and he gave me a ton of stories to tell on here. When I get some time at work later I will post a few stories.
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Absolutely loving this thread. Last week I discovered a pool hall that is 10 minutes from my apartment that rents out tables, 5 bucks gets the whole night. I haven't played much since college but all of a sudden I'm falling back into it. Might have to start keeping an eye on the regulars to see what sort of shenanigans are going down.
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Apr 9, 2012 22:17
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When playing at a high level, how many times does each player generally shoot? It seems like the person who gets the first ball in would just keep shooting until he wins.
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Dominoes posted:When playing at a high level, how many times does each player generally shoot? It seems like the person who gets the first ball in would just keep shooting until he wins. It depends on the game. It's extremely common in Straight Pool (really good players will run rack after rack before you shoot), fairly common in 9-ball, and somewhat common in 8-ball. Pool will always have a bit of luck involved, and you don't always hit perfect shots. Getting yourself snookered (leaving yourself a hard or impossible shot) happens even to the very best, which is why safety play is so important (as Jase mentioned.) Experience also matters a ton. Being able to SEE the table and knowing if you can run out or where you should pull up and play safe, where you need to break up bad balls, what natural angles to leave to make easy shots, etc...
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Apr 10, 2012 01:52
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Can you tell us the stories of you getting beat up for running your mouth when you were younger? Awesome thread
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Do you have trouble putting money into the bank? edit: I mean just walking in with a fat roll of cash and saying put this in my savings.
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Reverand maynard posted:Do you have trouble putting money into the bank? If you keep it under 10k a time then the bank doesn't have to report it, I believe.
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They don't have to file a cash transaction report but are "encouraged" to file a suspicious transaction report for any amount.
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If he cheats on his taxes he's a scumbag anyway. Plenty of gamblers pay their taxes, it's not that hard, and the IRS eventually will catch up to you if you don't.
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When I used to drink every day I would play a ton of pool. Usually just for drinks but sometimes for $5-$20, and always straight pool. I could never get on the level of the 'good' players in the area (seems like those fuckers never miss) but I could usually run the table at any of the bars in town for the night. What do you do when the other player cheats? I'm talking double-hitting the cue ball, moving the cue ball with their hand, poo poo like that.
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Reverand maynard posted:Do you have trouble putting money into the bank? I have been using the same bank account's since I was 20 and I have never had a problem. The one guy bank teller knows what I do and he plays a lot of poker so if I have to go inside to the bank I usually talk to him for awhile. I am sure if he wanted to he could report me but I have never had an issue. To be clear I don't even know if what I am doing is illegal or not I have never been arrested for gambling. I have been in illegal casinos when they have been raided but they usually just make you leave and arrest the people running it. Konstantin posted:If he cheats on his taxes he's a scumbag anyway. Plenty of gamblers pay their taxes, it's not that hard, and the IRS eventually will catch up to you if you don't. I agree anyone who doesn't pay taxes is a scumbag. Even though most people consider me a scumbag because of my job and the gambling I do. The government still gets its cut and I am completely ok with that. I learned all about taxes when I was young basically I keep a spreadsheet of anything that I gamble on and at the end of the year I not only claim all my winnings but I also use my gambling losses as deductions. I have an accountant that handles all of that stuff every year I just email him my spreadsheet and he takes care of it. I don't know the specifics except I can't claim I lost more than I won. So if I won $500 in a year and lost $1000 then I can't use the extra that I lost as a deduction. Does that make sense? I have never been audited but my uncle was and he said the IRS accepted his spreadsheet as long as it had dates with wins and losses and where he gambled. I am sure that sometimes I am breaking the law by gambling in a bar but I have never been audited so if that time comes I will deal with it then. I am pretty sure thought that the IRS only cares about getting its cut its not to concerned with where I got the money from. grass lemon posted:Can you tell us the stories of you getting beat up for running your mouth when you were younger? I have mentioned this in the thread before but I will say it again I have an ego. It has gotten me in trouble a lot in my life and I have deserved all of the it. I still have an ego but I have learned how to keep it in check. I was 22 and I just came back from a week long pool tournament in Detroit and I cleaned out a ton of players the whole week I was there. I must have made close to 5 or 6 grand for the whole week. I thought I was king poo poo and I acted like it. I would go to a pool hall and just be a dick, I would gamble with people but at the same time berate them and talk poo poo to them and so on and I was on such an ego trip, but my confidence was sky high and I just couldn't lose. I had played this guy Bruce who hated my guts already just because of my last name. He was a coke head and if he was really high on coke I could usually take him for a couple hundred. I was dating this girl at the time that was way out of my league but she loved the lifestyle of gambling and drugs and alcohol. As long as I kept that flowing she was around which in turn inflated my ego even more. So she is with me and I decide I am going to impress her and take some money of this guy Bruce. We decide on a 5-4 race for $300. I crush Bruce 5-0 and I don't remember much of what I said but I do remember what set him off. After I beat him and he paid me I was cracking jokes about him being bald and he started to leave. I yelled pretty loud as he was walking out the door "let me know how your coke dealers dick tastes when you see him tonight". Everyone is laughing and the next thing I know he grabs me by the throat pushes me onto the pool table and smashing me in the face with his fists and then he slammed my head against the pool table and knocked me out. I woke up on the table with the paramedics asking me a bunch of questions. He gave me a broken nose and a concussion. No one helped me or anything except after Bruce left they called the ambulance. The girl I was with actually stopped talking to me after that because she was so embarrassed to be around me. My Uncle gave me a pretty good lecture about that one. Bruce eventually got popped for selling coke a few years later and I have no clue whatever happened to that dude I haven't seen him in probably 10 years.
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jase1 posted:Always try to visualize the ball going in. That was a huge thing for me I noticed I started shooting a lot better if I kept my head down and eye on the object ball and visualize it going into the pocket. I'm very new to shooting regularly and this has helped me tremendously. Especially on long shots, cutting or shooting straight. At first I didn't realize what I was doing that let me shoot those long shots (the hardest for me to do consistently, especially straight ones for some reason) but then it just became a habit and, yeah, it works very well. When I first started playing, I tried to think of my cue as an arrow pointing to the spot I'd like to contact the object ball and I'd focus on the stick instead of the object ball itself. This never worked well or, if it did, sporadically.
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Bob Morales posted:When I used to drink every day I would play a ton of pool. Usually just for drinks but sometimes for $5-$20, and always straight pool. I could never get on the level of the 'good' players in the area (seems like those fuckers never miss) but I could usually run the table at any of the bars in town for the night. I have never had anyone try that on me or if they did do it I didn't catch them. If a person has to try and cheat me to beat me then they are hosed because usually you play a couple of games and it can be really hard to cheat in pool if someone is paying attention. When I play a race a guy would literally have to cheat in every race to beat if that's his goal and it's just an easy thing to do. Sometimes if I am playing a drunk that I know has no chance and he does something like that I let it go. Why not give him an extra shot it really don't matter in the long run skill will usually outlast cheating in most cases. Story time! My Grandfather was such a unique individual, on one hand he was a piece of poo poo and emotionally abusive to my grandmother and their kids. They had 9 kids and he has even been accused of sexually molesting one of the kids but no one knows if thats the truth or not because my Aunt who made the accusations has been known to lie before. It just came out after he passed away a year ago. On the other hand he was an amazing grandfather to all the grandchildren. He was a coin collector and every grandchild that was born he gave us the complete coin collection from the year we were born for gifts. He has amazing stories about WWII and some awesome memorabilia including a Hitler youth knife that he gave me when I was 16 years old. He was also a very racist man and he had no problem letting anyone know how much he hated minorities and that they were ruining the country including sports. I love him because he is family and he was always nice to me but at the same time I realize that he is a pretty despicable person. He passed away a year ago and it was probably the most awkward funerals I have ever been to. I mean my dad absolutely hated my grandfather with a passion for the way he treated his family but my dad loved him and he also took care of him in his dying days and he paid for most of the medical stuff my grandfather needed before he passed away. After the war he married my grandmother and became a coal miner in West Virgina he use to hang with the same couple of guys after work they would go drink beer and shoot pool. The guy who taught him how to shoot pool was a man named Lester who my grandfather met in the coal mines and they became friends. They only hung out after work though and they always went to the bars in the area. One time they tried to go into this bar but it had a sign on it that said No Coloreds and Lester said he couldn't go into the bar. The didn't understand why and finally Lester told them it was because he was black and not aloud into the place because of the sign. The reason they didn't know that Lester was black was because they were always covered in coal dust or soot or whatever you call it. My grandfather never knew that one of his best friends was black and to top it off the person who taught him how to shoot pool. They actually stopped hanging around Lester after they found this out. So after my Uncle Frank gets older him and my grandfather decide to take a road trip to North Carolina and just stop at dive bars and gamble with people and see the sights. They stop in this little town called Wadesboro, North Carolina, according to my Uncle you could drive through the whole town in less then 5 minutes. There is a pool hall there and they decide to stop in and shoot a few games. Right away they notice that it is mostly filled with black people and my grandfather doesn't like it, and even throws a few racist terms around but he sees the opportunity to make some money. They hustle a few guys and take about $50 total when a white guy approaches them about playing for some big money. They agree to $100 a game and my grandfather beats the guy 15-3 before the guy gives up. He goes to settle up with the guy and collect the money and the guy refuses to pay him. He leaves and as my grandfather runs out the door after him the local police are all there and they arrest both my uncle and my grandfather. My Uncle doesn't even remember the charges but he said basically they didn't allow any form of racism in that town and they were pissed because of the things my grandfather was saying about black people. They took all their money and most of their belongings including their pool sticks and made them stay a few days in jail before they let them go. They were also told if they ever come into town again they will be arrested on sight. Needless to say that was the end of their little road trip.
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I can't believe you are also the repo thread dude. You have one hell of an exciting life I mean it's straight out of the movies. Great thread makes me want to go across the street later and shoot some pool(I'm terrible).
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Rap Music and Dope posted:I can't believe you are also the repo thread dude. You have one hell of an exciting life I mean it's straight out of the movies. Great thread makes me want to go across the street later and shoot some pool(I'm terrible). Well, I've been reading the thread too and now know that if I really want to 'hustle' someone, I need to start off with a coke bottle on it's side for a long while first.. Great thread, OP 
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chipclip posted:I'm very new to shooting regularly and this has helped me tremendously. Especially on long shots, cutting or shooting straight. At first I didn't realize what I was doing that let me shoot those long shots (the hardest for me to do consistently, especially straight ones for some reason) but then it just became a habit and, yeah, it works very well. To my knowledge, straight long shots are bad for good players too. Obviously the difficulty of the shot is low, but the problem is your options are limited for leaves (where you want the cueball to end up). Jase, how true is that for you? quote:When I first started playing, I tried to think of my cue as an arrow pointing to the spot I'd like to contact the object ball and I'd focus on the stick instead of the object ball itself. This never worked well or, if it did, sporadically. The problem is the balls are spherical. Take a really extreme cut shot (like a cut at ~90 degrees). If you aim your cue at the edge of the object ball where you want to hit it, the cueball will actually make contact "before" that (closer to a straight-on hit) and you'll miss. You have to account for the shape of the cueball. When I was starting out, a friend explained this to me, and it helped quite a bit.
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Since APA rules don't mandate sportsmanship, what prevents an APA player from "coaching" their opponent over and over again and getting a free ball in hand each time? It seems like a really stupid rule.
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I would always prefer an angle on a shot to a straight shot because it is easier to control where the cueball will go with or without english. If I have a straight shot I am limited to what I can do. I have to rely on just the english to control the cueball. I can draw the cueball back or put top english on it to move the ball forward. The problem with top english in this situation is you have a potential to scratch. So now I have to adjust and put either top right english or top left so it changes the direction of the cueball. There are also minor things you can do to change the path of the object ball. For instance you can cheat a pocket a little bit and what I mean is you can aim to the left of the pocket or right of the pocket a little bit and the ball will still go in. It's kind of like putting in golf if you think about it. Sometimes when a guy putts the ball it hits the side of the cup and rolls in or rolls out, you can do the same thing in pool. If I can hit the side of the pocket and not the titty (which is the pointed edge of the pocket) the ball will roll into it. Now if I hit it really hard I have had the ball roll in the pocket and come back out just like a golf ball rolls around the cup. Here is a video explaining that. I hope you guys don't mind these videos. It's just really hard for me to explain things and type it out properly so it makes sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm3vVQChZBc I can also put left english or right english on the cueball which in turn gets the object ball to spin the way I want it to. This hard to explain so let me show a video. I have done this so many times its just natural so its hard for me to explain without being on an actual table and showing someone. This guy does a real good job of explaining the transfer of english. The video is a little slow but he uses a good analogy of how the balls spin kind of like a gear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gx1sX15xNI I like those diagrams and I wish when I was younger I would have been able to see stuff like that. I just learned on the table and memorized how the ball will react in each situation. I am sure now that it helps people pick it up a lot quicker with the access of the internet and things like that.
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Putting right/left english on a ball also adds what's called deflection. So if you hit the cueball on the right hand side, not only will you impart spin on the ball, you'll also knock it off it's "straight" path by a slight amount. There's a reason pool is so difficult, yet so wonderfully simplistic. It's entirely physics. muskrat posted:This may be the worst diagram for anything I've ever seen in my life. I'm pretty good at pool, and I have absolutely no idea what that's possibly trying to convey. Your words made more sense, but in no way are correlating to this diagram in my brain. (Also using a 90 degree angle as an example is a little silly, since it's physically impossible to do.) e: I've looked at it for like 10 mins, and I finally get what it's trying to say. The grey ball is the cue ball (in motion, so on there twice) and the green square is the pocket? Using a 90-degree angle is still a bad idea there, but at least I understand it now. It's still terrible. SouthShoreSamurai fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Apr 11, 2012 |
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:e: I've looked at it for like 10 mins, and I finally get what it's trying to say. The grey ball is the cue ball (in motion, so on there twice) and the green square is the pocket? Using a 90-degree angle is still a bad idea there, but at least I understand it now. It's still terrible. Noted, though it took like 30 seconds to draw and I couldn't figure out how to remove the attachment after posting (was going to add arrows). EDIT: Here's a better diagram I found online. Hopefully it still illustrates that you can't aim your cue stick at the point of contact. 
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:Putting right/left english on a ball also adds what's called deflection. So if you hit the cueball on the right hand side, not only will you impart spin on the ball, you'll also knock it off it's "straight" path by a slight amount. 90 degrees is the best for this diagram because as you approach 90 the error approaches a maximum.
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squeakygeek posted:90 degrees is the best for this diagram because as you approach 90 the error approaches a maximum.  muskrat posted:So much better.
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I didn't find it a terrible diagram, not sure it was needed, since its basically saying, look at the balls, they are balls, spherical. If you aim centre point to centre point there exists this spherical mass around the centre point that will gently caress up your poo poo.
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Cast_No_Shadow posted:I didn't find it a terrible diagram, not sure it was needed, since its basically saying, look at the balls, they are balls, spherical. If you aim centre point to centre point there exists this spherical mass around the centre point that will gently caress up your poo poo. Everybody see why it's always point masses in high school physics now?
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Kaal posted:Since APA rules don't mandate sportsmanship, what prevents an APA player from "coaching" their opponent over and over again and getting a free ball in hand each time? It seems like a really stupid rule. I'm only in my first session in the APA, but every match I've gone to people just don't talk to you while you're up shooting. There's some discussion between the rest of the team, sure, but nobody talks TO the players currently shooting unless the player or coach calls a time-out, and then only the player and coach can talk. Players can/will chat with their opponents, sure, but in my experience it doesn't go past the point of mild 'psych outs', mostly when the high-handicap (5-7+) players are butting heads. Also while I can't comment on the gambling/hustling stuff in this thread (never really appealed to me), everything jase1 has been saying about the game itself is spot on. I'm not a very good player (yet; been playing 3 months and am only a 2 in 9-ball and a 3 in 8-ball, but I can almost never practice outside of match nights) but I've got some good coaches (my dad went to Vegas a couple years ago and placed 17th in the nation  ) and the game is fun as hell, really high school geometry should just be a room filled with pool tables.
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muskrat posted:I think I see why my angled/non-striaght shots tend to mess up now... So just checking and comparing here and this is how my Dad taught me to shoot. I start with lining up the object ball with the pocket and marking the spot that, when hit directly, would send the ball into the pocket. I lock in on that spot as I walk back to aim and usually stay locked in throughout. As in aiming the center of the cue ball right at the spot that would make the object ball go in. But now, you guys are telling me that, while wrong, it was really close, I need to make the cue ball contact at that spot. Is that what's been plaguing my game? (Besides only playing once in a blue moon) OP, you mentioned how, for the "big games/bets" you have somebody that holds the money and has your back. That sounds a little complicated and involved for an everyday thing. Especially if you don't get any big money flowing. Is bringing along this guy something you do regularly or is it more rare? Like, do you tell him that you went to go out and do some high-stakes games in two months? Sometimes, does he tag along on these little excursions and nothing happens (both danger and gambling wise)? Or is this only when you go to Vegas and casinos? EDIT: Just thought about this for a moment and if this is getting close to some safety concerns for you, I understand. As an aside OP, even though I'm crap, I look for the lighter cues myself when I'm shooting with friends. And this thread has been fascinating, especially with those little vids you (and others?) keep posting. BirdOfPlay fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Apr 12, 2012 |
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BirdOfPlay posted:But now, you guys are telling me that, while wrong, it was really close, I need to make the cue ball contact at that spot. Is that what's been plaguing my game? (Besides only playing once in a blue moon) I tried to do a quick mspaint but I can't draw for poo poo. But yes, this is it. It's all about the geometry, you've got the first half right (deciding which way you want the object ball to go) but you can't simply aim for that spot directly since you have to take into account the angle it will be deflected by when the cue ball hits it. In the image you quoted, if you were to aim the cue ball directly at the contact point, instead of (through the 'imaginary' ball/past the contact point) the object ball wouldn't cut enough and bounce off of the rail.
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