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For as long as I can remember I have been around a pool table. All my uncles had them in their houses and each family gathering they would end up in the basement taking money of each other shooting pool and getting drunk all night. My uncle use to own a local pool hall and right after school I would go there and we would shoot pool until my parents came to pick me up when they got off work. He bought me my first stick and taught me basically everything I know about pool including how to hustle drunks. My grandfather use to be a road player after he got out of WWII. He would take my grandmother all over the US and find dive bars and clean the local drunks out of their hard earned money and then see the sights with my grandmother so naturally he had a pool table at his house and everyone in my family can shoot pool. My uncle's are considered the best pool players in our area and anytime we go out to a bar with a pool table people always want to gamble with them. I naturally became apart of that and I have reaped the rewards because of it. I started out joining the APA which is the American Poolplayers Association. They rank you based on skill and because of my last name before they even saw me shoot I was ranked the highest skill level which is an 7 after about 3 matches. Shooting in league pool is fun but there is barely any money in it, it's more of a social thing. The teams I have played on have to went Vegas and won the main tournament a couple of times taking down the 10k prize. While all of that is fun and its cool to win in Vegas but the money sucks. After you split it 8 ways it amounts to about $1250 per person and with all the travel expenses it's not a very profitable weekend especially if your team does not make the money. I learned early on that in all these pool leagues the side action is where it's at, 10k might be first place but thats chump change to the high roller gamblers at these tourneys. I have seen people win or lose upwards of 100k in a 40 hour session. I am not in that level of gambling nor will I ever be I usually stick to the local dive bars in the area and hustling the drunks on payday can make you $500 and up a night in some of these places. Usually road players will come by local pool halls looking for some action and the owners will call me and my uncles and a couple of other local gamblers and we will take turns gambling with them until they are out of money or he takes everyone's money. Sometimes road players turn out to be pros looking for big action and then it will take a few days to get a big match going. I have a lot of fun stories about pros showing up and cleaning everyone out which I will go into detail later on. I have a bunch of cool stories about gambling sessions if anyone is interested. I can also go into how the games are played and how the gambling works. When you gamble on pool its not always your straight forward bar pool rules like 8ball. There are a lot of different ways to gamble on pool. Things like banks, money balls, one pocket, straight pool, 3 ball, 7 ball and the list goes on. Ask away goons and if there is anyone else here who is a pool player then feel free to add to the thread. Edit: Corrected 5-ball to 3-ball. jase1 fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Mar 29, 2012 |
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keykey posted:When you find a mark or whatever you call it in pool hustling, how do you initiate conversation towards betting? Also, conversation and end result wise which movie is hustling pool more like, The Color of Money or Kingpin? There are several different ways to approach the gambling part of it. It just depends on what situation you are in. Take for instance if I go to a local dive bar with just one table and overall lovely place. I will just start shooting and if people come up and want to play that is how it all starts. You play a few friendly games then just slip it in during the conversation. Pump up the guys ego especially if he is with a group of people or with a woman. I lose a few games and I start talking about how he is a pretty good shot but I also say things like but of course when money is on the line I am sure you are a choke artist or things like that it sounds corny but it gets under peoples skin. You have to read the situation sometimes insulting the guy will get it to work and sometimes if the guy is an rear end in a top hat he will start talking poo poo. I love when a guy starts talking poo poo because thats when I kick in the hustling. I start telling him things like if your so good lets play for money I let him make the rules and what amounts to bet on and it goes from there. I usually always buy the people I am playing with drinks the drunker they get the better it is for me. Sometimes if I walk into a place people see me playing and just approach me and ask if I want to play for money. There a a lot of bars where there is one guy who is the best shot there and he has to defend his territory it sounds stupid but you wouldn't believe how many times I walk into a place and start shooting and next thing I know this guy is all over me about shooting for money. He is usually a drunk who grew up in bars and has no clue on the strategy on pool he just thinks he is the poo poo. He just tries to make every ball without thinking about his next shot or what his opponent is going to do next. I let him win a few to boost his ego or keep it really close maybe splitting a couple of matches then try to get him to up the ante. It doesn't always work sometimes guys only have $20 in their pocket so if they lose that they are done. I also run a hustle where me and one of my uncles show up to the bar at different times and then hustle the people there for money. I will explain that one in a later post because the setup is long but the payoff is totally worth it. It is along the same lines of the hustle that Wesley snipes and Woody Harrelson pulled off in White men can't jump. My uncles and grandfather have been pulling that one for about 30 years and it works every time. The parts in Color of money when they go to nationals are pretty accurate especially the setups and the practice room gambling. The pool hall scenes are really sensationalized. I have never seen 100 people around a pool table cheering and going crazy while a guy is losing a poo poo ton of money. Usually if someone is gambling for a lot of money people are really somber and quiet its a really intense situation. Celebrating after you just wiped a guy clean is the type of thing that will get you killed or the poo poo beat out of you. As for Kingpin are you speaking about the movie with Bill Murray or is there another movie with that name?
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Chemtrail Clem posted:Have you ever gotten yelled at by a rude guy you were trying to hustle? Do people ever not let you hustle them, or try to get physical when you win the game? Not only have been yelled at I have had the poo poo kicked out of me and thrown out of a lot of bars. It can be dangerous which is why I have my CCW and I usually have someone with me. My uncle and me took a guy for almost 2 grand once and he absolutely flipped his poo poo when he was out of money. He just kept going double or nothing and he was on a ton of coke at the time too. He grabbed the pool cue and starting swinging at us I grabbed the money off the rack and ran my rear end out of there. I am pretty sure he would have killed us if we stayed. People hate to find out they have been hustled there are times when I am in a match and someone comes into the bar who doesn't like me or who I have hustled somewhere else and they out me. It will kill the action and sometimes get me the death stare. I usally don't stick around to find out what will happen I just bolt and live for another day. Sometimes I have to leave without getting the money which sucks but its better then getting stabbed! lushka16 posted:This ought to be an awesome thread. Thanks for starting it! It is sort of like that. You can't make it to obvious though or the jig is up. Just missing little shots here or their to give your opponent the advantage not only boosts his ego but also makes it look like I am not as good as I really am. The whole key to pool is to control the cue ball. I can make it look like I scratched on a shot by accident when really I planned it all along to help it look like this guy can beat me. I can also take a shot and leave the cue ball in a really bad spot for me to help the other player. I do that a lot I will make a shot then leave the cueball behind or close to one of my opponents balls. It makes me look like I have trouble controlling the cue ball. So it's not so much as sucking just that I am not an amazing pool player. There are also times when a guy just wants to gamble and there is no need to hustle him. He thinks he is better and we decide on terms of the bet and go from there. The hustle usually happens in dive bars in pool halls there is some hustling but most people know you and know you can shoot so its more mind games with the person. zzyzx posted:I've played straight pool and one-pocket, but what are 5-ball and 7-ball? 7-ball has the same rules as 9 ball but how they set up the rack is the 1 ball is place at top and the balls are in a hexagon shape with the 7 in the middle. After you break you must choose 3 pockets on the one side of the long rails meaning 2 corner pockets and 1 side pocket all on the same side. Those pockets are the only ones you can shoot your balls into. Your opponent gets the opposite 3 pockets from you. The seven ball must also be pocketed in the side for it to count. I mistyped its not 5 ball it's 3 ball. Which in my opinion is the worse gambling game in pool. You basically have to pocket the 3 balls in the least strokes possible. If you foul a stroke is added and it usually consists of a 5-game set. I hate it because if you get a lucky break you can pocket all 3 balls on the break. It's more a luck game then skill in my opinion.
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Elephanthead posted:How often do the marks refuse to pay? Most of the time when I gamble with someone we take the money that is bet and put it on top of the light above the pool table. If I am going to be gambling for more the $20 a game I always want to see the money up front and either place on top of the rack or let someone we both trust hold the money. Usually the money is placed on the rack though. If I am playing someone in a pool hall the owner or person working the place will hold the money if we both trust him. There have been times I have had to collect money from someone in payments or they just give me money whenever I see them again. Sometimes they try to disappear but I know where all the gamblers hang out around here and I have a lot of people who will help me get my money for a small fee. I have only ever had to resort to hiring someone else to collect my money once and that was because the guy was a coke dealer who carried a weapon so I didn't want to gently caress with that. There is a guy now who is blackballed from everywhere until he pays up the 10 people he owes money too. The thing about gamblers is we pretty much all only care about taking each others money except when one gets screwed over we tend to stickup for one another and not let the deadbeat gamble around town. Lycopene posted:Have you or anyone you've known gotten beaten up or worse after the "mark" knows what just happened to him? I referenced it earlier but I will tell the full story. I went to this small town in Ohio called Newark with my uncle to play in a really juicy poker game. We got lost trying to take a shortcut home and decided to get a room for the night. There was this poo poo stain bar across the street that had a pool table. We walk in and start shooting pool. A macho biker dude is trying to impress his friends and says he wants to shoot a few against me. I make sure that each game is really close and I let him win 2 out of the 3. He starts talking about how he is king of this bar table and no one can beat him. I respond with the "wanna bet on it". He says sure and before I know it he is wanting to shoot for 100 a match. I think he was just trying to do the old I will bet more than the other guy has tatic but he didn't realize what he was getting into he was drunk and on an ego trip and his buddies were all egging him on. So the first match I set him up and left the cueball in a pretty lovely place when he was on the 8-ball. He scratches and I win the first game. He says lets do double or nothing. I accept and beat him pretty easily. He said thats bullshit and I could tell he was getting a little frustrated. I beat him the third match and now he owes me $400. He goes to the atm takes out some more money and comes back and says lets run it double or nothing one more time. We put the money on the rack I break and run because I know its the last one of the night and I let my ego get the best of me and before I could grab the money I was sucker punched in the back on the head. I honestly don't know how many people were hitting me but I was on the ground covered up and people were just kicking me or punching me I am not to sure of which I don't remember most of it. They pick me and launch me out of the bar at least thats what my uncle told me. I only remember being sucker punched and waking up outside on the concrete. I end up in the hospital with a few broken ribs and a concussion and they took all the money I had on me. They let my uncle go without doing anything to him and tell him that if they ever see us here again they will kill us. Spiffo posted:Have you ever repo'd any of the same guys you've hustled at pool? No but I can't remember if I told the story in that thread about seeing one of my customers that I repo'd at a pool tourney. It was quite awkward. Grand Prize Winner posted:What happens when you run into a better player? I lose and that happens a lot. There have been times when I thought I was hustling someone and they ended up hustling me. I am usually smart enough to figure it out and end the gambling quickly so I don't lose all my money. You have to remember that no matter how good you are at something someone out there is a lot better at it then you. I like playing a person who is better than me because it helps me get better. There are times I have lost to someone who isn't as good a shot but I was just having a bad night those are the worse nights. A road player called a local pool hall looking for action a few months ago I went to watch him shoot and was thinking about maybe playing him. He seemed like a decent shot and I watched him go through 3 or 4 really good players before I called my uncle Frank because I felt like he would kick my rear end. He is considered one of the best pool players in our area guys love to gamble with him and I haven't seen him lose but maybe 5 times in 20 years. He is a machine at the table and I told him there was some really good action at this hall. As soon as he gets to the hall he calls me outside and says stay away from that guy he is the #1 bank pool player in the world. His name was John Braumback and the guy is the hall of fame for pool and he still drives around and hustles guys. I watched this young kid named scooter lose close to 15k to him and it was a huge learning lesson.
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Ruby got Railed posted:OP when you're out do you bring your own cue, or stick to house cues? If it's your own, is it a flashy custom job, or just a good solid no frills one? I own 4 different sticks. I have a break stick, a jump stick, my very first stick my uncle gave me and my main stick which cost $1200. I always keep my pool case in my vehicle under the spare tire in my trunk. If I am going into a dive bar I use the house cues because most people will not be a challenge. If I am in a pool hall I bring my pool case with me. My main stick is not anything special as far as looks. It is pretty funny seeing people who know about pool asking me about my stick then looking at it and realizing its a McDermott hand crafted cue and making GBS threads their pants. That stick seriously is amazing and I could go on for hours how great it is but in reality its just a pool cue and it would be hard to explain why its the perfect stick. Spermy Smurf posted:What state do you live in where you can carry a gun into a bar? I live in Ohio and as far as I know there isn't a bar in the state that you can carry a gun into. Where did you get that impression that I bring a gun into a bar? I have my CCW but if I am going somewhere that doesn't allow guns I keep it in my vehicle. I do carry it when I am in a pool hall and the owners of the pool hall know about it too. Pool halls usually contain some of the scum of the earth so if you walk in with a pocket full of money you need to be prepared in case you get robbed. I also carry my gun anytime I go to a poker game that is not in a casino. Ibsen posted:That last part gave me chills for some reason. So whats the secret to being a great pool player? How should I practice? If you are a beginner at pool the first thing you need to do is learn how to hold the stick properly so its not moving around. There are several ways to bridge your stick you just need to find which one feels the most comfortable. The thing I recommend most to beginners is get a empty coke 20 oz coke bottle place it on a pool table or something of similar height and practice your pool stroke. You want to be able to make the end of your cue touch the back of the coke bottle without it touching any other part of the bottle. That will help you learn the same stroke over and over. Pool is all about angles too if you are good at that sort of thing you can predict where the ball will go every time. Pool is also a lot like chess you want to look a couple of plays ahead and always map out your shots and what your going to do. Safeties are a big part of the game. Some people hate them but I could play a safe on someone they give me ball in hand and I win the match just like that. There is a lot of strategy but the most important part is practicing your stroke. The more you practice the stroke then you can worry about all the other little things that make you a better player. With me I had my uncle basically making me do drills for a few hours a day every day for a whole year before he even showed me how to put english on the ball.
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Liquid Criminal posted:I've never heard of there being so many kinds of cues. What's the difference between your sticks? The break stick is only used on breaks. The reason I do that is because if I use my main stick to break it can crack the stick and I don't want that to happen. The jump cue is small cue with a shortened handle that I only use if I ever have to jump the cue ball over another ball. Then I have my first stick my uncle gave me just for nostalgia reasons and I use that to practice with at home too. an adult beverage posted:Nice thread, this is the best A/T thread in awhile. My regular job is I do collections and underwriting for a small finance company. I did a thread awhile ago about me being the guy who decides if you get to keep your car or not. If I was going to go on the road full time I think I could make a living but I have not nor will I ever become a full time road player it's way to dangerous and I'm afraid of getting stabbed. I practice everyday. I do situational practices like I will setup a bunch of balls and retry shots that I have trouble with over and over again until I can get it right. I would say that right now I could walk into any bar and beat almost %100 of the people there. If I was to go to a pool tourney like the Derby City Classic I would get my rear end handed to me and rightly so thats the gambling mecca of pool. I will get to all the questions in a few hours I just wanted to knock a few out before I get ready for work.
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Bishop posted:What's the most you've bet on a single game? Is "X dollars per ball" a common way to bet or is it usually full games? Also if you don't mind, I've got a personal question Usually when I am hustling in a dive bar it's just X dollars per game depending on what the other person wants to bet. If I am gambling with someone who knows me we usually play a race. What a race is we decide how many games each of us needs to win to win the whole match. For instance we decide a race to 5 games for a $500 is what I usually do with a couple of people who love to gamble with me. There are also times when my opponent asks for weight. What that means is he knows my skill level is better then his and in order to gamble with me I have to give him some advantages. For instance I may have to win 5 games while he only has to win 3. Sometimes I also add things like let him break every match each situation is different. The most I ever bet on one match was a race to 10 for 10k. There really isn't any interesting story that goes with it. Just a guy I have played pool with along time and he was convinced he was better than me so we were going to play for 1k a game but we decided on doing the race to ten of 10k. I beat him 10-7 and the guy has never gambled with me again. I was losing that race 7-4 but made a nice comeback and won 6 straight games including 2 of those hitting the 8 on the break. As far as bridging properly goes you need to find a way that is comfortable for you as long as you keep doing the same level storke and your stance is proper you can bridge how you want. I would recommend what IfIwerearichman said and watch some tutorials. Everyone bridges differently so its hard to explain in writing I would have to show you at the table. Slopehead posted:What are some good basic strategies for a casual pool player? Can you describe the forces needed for a proper break and what kind of dispersal pattern you should be looking for? Always try to visualize the ball going in. That was a huge thing for me I noticed I started shooting a lot better if I kept my head down and eye on the object ball and visualize it going into the pocket. Also think about your next move every shot. I have a routine as soon as I step up to the table I walk around the table chalk my stick and plot out my next 3 or 4 moves. If you have no shot try to leave the cueball on the rail or farther down the table from your opponents balls. It's also a good move to leave the cueball behind a group of balls so you don't give your opponent an easy shot. Another good thing to do is visualize where the cueball will go after it makes contact with your object ball. You want to setup your next shot and not leave yourself out of position without a shot. As far as breaking goes I only break 1 way. I set the cueball up close to either of the side rails behind the line I aim for the second ball in the rack and I put low english on it and if done right it will get the 8 moving on the table and potential going in. If you can master just this shot alone it will improve your game tremendously because it increases your chances of winning right of the break. Here is a video from Dr. Cue who I have met at several pool tourneys and the guy knows his poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=?embed?MB705q8EwBg Edit: I am not sure how to embed a video it doesn't seem to be working when I look at it so I will leave the link here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB705q8EwBg I specifically drink Bacardi and cokes all night long. It doesn't give me a hangover and I can drink 6 or 7 without it affecting my game. If I am going to be in a marathon session I don't drink at all. I just drink water all night. If I am hustling I also sometimes fake like I am already drunk in the bar which in turn can attract more people to gamble with me. Mr.Showtime posted:Do chicks ever hang off your arms and you need to brush them aside saying "Ladies, wait your turn"? I wish! Seriously though when I was younger, I am 35 now but when I was 21 and just starting to be able to drink legally it was a very easy way to pick up women coming into a bar and basically taking over the table or destroying their macho boyfriends and making them look foolish. Now that I am older I don't need an ego boost like that plus I have been with my girlfriend for 5 years and wouldn't want to gently caress that up. Ice Phisherman posted:Have you ever lost a game on purpose in order to spare yourself a beating or worse? If so, can you share the story? The only time I have ever lost on purpose was to boost someones ego into thinking they can beat me again some other time with more money on the line. There are also times that I lose on purpose to help me get an advantage in playing someone. If I can get someone to let me win 4 games before they win 5 thats a huge advantage and you would be surprised how many guys love to give weight to an opponent if they feel they are better than them. A new guy moved her from Michigan 4 years ago and thought he was king poo poo. I would see him at the poolhalls always shooting for money so I played him a few games and lost $300 bucks to him. I told him I wanted to get a chance to get my money back. I met him again the next week and took him for $1500. His ego was so big he just couldn't believe that he was losing to me and kept wanting to try and get even. We are actually pretty good friends now and we shoot a lot together.
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The Copper Kaiser posted:Hey man this seems like a really interesting thread. It's weird I don't really try to look anyway specifically. I change my facial hair all the time from full on beard to goatee to clean shaven but thats just because I get lazy. I always just wear what I normally wear every day. The key is how you hold the stick, or how you shoot, or even acting like I am drunk or stoned. I do put on a stoner voice sometimes or slur my speech and act like I'm hosed up when really I am just acting like an idiot to make it look like I'm wasted. I have gotten quite good at acting like I'm drunk when I am really stone sober. One thing that I am very cautious is exposing how much money I am carrying. I usually keep money in my pool case hidden away and I also separate money that is in my pockets. If I am paying for drinks at the bar with cash I just keep a few 20's in my front pocket and bankroll in my jacket or back pocket. I never want to to look like I am carrying a lot of money for a few reasons, such as being robbed but it also may make the person suspicious that I am carrying around 1k in my pocket. Anytime I am gambling with someone I usually act like I have to go to the ATM or I go to the bathroom and get my money straight so people don't see how much I am really carrying. If I am playing for a lot of money in a pool hall I always have someone with me who carries the money. He is also sort of like my bodyguard and will warn me if poo poo goes down he also carries a weapon with him. I pay him a small percentage of what I win. Thankfully he has never had to do anything serious except a couple of times just warn me that people where talking about me and maybe plotting something. He just tells me lets go and we get the hell out of there. oldskool posted:On every shot you have to hit one of "your" pool balls before you hit the other guy's (so if you're solids, you have to hit a solid ball before you hit a striped one). If you hit his first, or don't hit any balls at all, it's a scratch. Nope you are correct. I love those ESPN billiards shows I have about 50 of them taped on my DVR and will watch them constantly. They give you good advice on how to get out situations and also it helps to watch someone better than you and how they approach the table and shot selections. The only thing I would add to this is when you are making a safety you have to make sure that after you make contact with one of your balls either the object ball or the cue has to touch the rail after the first contact. There are times that you get into a safety battle where each player plays safeties on each other until one makes a mistake giving them an opening. There are a lot of players in leagues especially who say safeties are bullshit and I usually play extra safeties on them just to rattle their cage. I will take any advantage I can get legally and by pissing someone off it takes them out of their game. So when the guy gives me ball in hand 3 times in a game he is usually pissed at me or himself so it's an advantage because he will lose focus.
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So I talked earlier in the thread about a hustle me and my my uncle Frank run on drunks. First let me describe Frank. He is 5'1" with a beer gut and huge beard and is always the loudest guy at the bar. He talks poo poo and will back it up. I have been around a couple of times he has gotten into fights and I would dare not gently caress with this man. The best story I could use to describe him is this one. He use to own a pool hall and it was a really popular one. He always held the money for big time pool matches. Some thugs found out about this and tried to rob him. They showed up with weapons and took everything from everyone in the hall at the time. So instead of doing the right thing and calling the police as soon as the the thugs left he actually got into his vehicle chased them down to some gas station and beat the poo poo out of all 3 of them and not only took the money and belongings back that they stole but he robbed them. He was arrested and charged with assault and something else but I can't remember what specifically the charge was. The man has no fear and to be honest I don't even know if the story is true but family members all stick by the story it may have just become legend around pool halls and things were added I just know people do not gently caress with this guy. So here is the hustle Frank shows up at a bar around 5 pm and starts drinking and shooting pool looking like he just got off work. He continues to drink and the drunker he gets the more he starts talking poo poo about how no one in this place can beat him at pool. He may even beat a few guys but not for money just beat them for free drinks. Around 8 or 9 pm depending on how things are going he will call me up (or the other person involved in the hustle) and tell me its time to come to the bar. I show up and just start kicking everyones rear end in pool including his. He pretends to get more and more frustrated and then ask me to gamble with him. I tell him I don't have any money but if I did I would wipe the floor with him. He calls me names and things get animated this goes on for awhile all while I am continually kicking everyones rear end at the table. Eventually people get so pissed that they want me to shut him up so they start saying they will bet Frank I can beat him. The first match I win and Frank pays everyone up but he is dropping hints that he has a lot of money and is going to make sure he gets it back. So then people start increasing the bet with frank usually how it works it starts around $50-$100 for the first match then increases as more people think that he is going to blow all his money while I continue to kick this guys rear end. The second game I beat him really bad to the point it looks like he is embarrassed. Again Frank gets the guys to increase the bet. Once we get to around $200-$300 a game thats when I start losing. The third game I make it look like it was a fluke like I scratch on the 8-ball or give him really good position on a ball and he runs out for the win. He goes nuts and talks a lot of poo poo pissing people off so I start saying stuff like I'm sorry guys it just happened but I know I can beat this guy again just give me another chance. The fourth match is usually where all the big money is up for grabs. I have seen guys practically begging Frank to bet him because they feel like I can kick his rear end. I lose the fourth match and Frank cleans up. Sometimes we can keep the hustle going I have seen people go to the ATM and take money out just to bet with Frank that I can beat him. I continually lose until people run out of money or Frank feels like he has taken the hustle as far as it can go without getting suspicious. I usually by the guys a round of drinks to apologize and bitch about what an rear end in a top hat that guy was while Frank leaves. I eventually leave and we split up the money. That hustle usually gets us around $500-2500 depending on the type of atmosphere we are in. If it's a dive bar you make less money but if it's a nice place like in downtown you can make some serious cash. The best part about the hustle is Frank really is hammered drunk but for some reason it does not affect his pool game the man is a machine. Bromonium posted:Awesome thread -- makes me want to head downtown and start playing again. I've never been very good at gambling, and as an amateur pool player I usually just play for drinks and quarters for another game at a lovely local dive. I am not really sure how to make someone a better gambler to be honest. The easiest way to get someone to gamble with you is to insult their ego especially if they are with people who they want to impress. This may sound mean but recently anyone with an affliction shirt seems to want to just give me tons of money. I don't know if they think they are MMA fighters and they have a rep to up hold but they always want to gamble with me especially if my girlfriend is with me. Its like they are showing her that they are macho and I am not. I don't really know why they are just douches. Edit: I forgot to respond to one of the questions and I want to do that before I forget again. Shasta Orange Soda posted:Also, do you ever feel guilty doing what you do? Not so much the bets where both players are fully aware of the consequences and the skill level of their opponent, but rather the part about pretending to be a below-average player so you can take advantage of intoxicated people, and purposefully getting them more intoxicated to better take advantage of them? It seems like you'd make more enemies in one night than most of us can rack up in a year. Is that something you can just shrug off, or does it weigh on you at all? I never feel bad for anyone that gambles. This is a choice they make on their own if they make bad choices while intoxicated then they should stop becoming intoxicated. Most of the people I gamble with or hustle I rarely ever see them again so maybe that is why I don't feel bad because I don't see the impact of losing that money on them. My parents are very deeply religious and have a major problem with what I do. I could blame them for being a latch key kid who basically grew up in a pool hall but it was ultimately my decision to become a gambler. Most of the presents I purchase for my parents are from the money I have won. I bought my dad the first Ipad when it came out and it was all from my gambling bankroll. He loved the gift but about an hour later he was lecturing me on how awful it was to gamble I told him if you have a problem with me gambling then give me the Ipad back because thats what paid for it, of course he didn't give it back but since then he has laid low on the gambling is evil talk. jase1 fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 30, 2012 |
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Ice Phisherman posted:How often does someone realize that you're hustling them and then they walk out with the money you were sinking into them before you can win it and their money back? That has happened quite a few times and I usually try to at least win my money back but when the jig is up most of the time people leave. I just chalk it up as a loss and move on. quote:How do you manage drinking while playing for serious money? I assume you have to at least look like you are drinking in order to fit in, how do you make sure it doesn't affect your play? I can drink roughly 6 or 7 double rum and cokes and it won't mess with the way I play. Sometimes I order just a coke in between and most bars put that in the same glass as a double. If I am gambling for serious money I don't drink at all I just drink water and eat a small meal. Sometimes when I am gambling for serious money it can be up to 40 some hours with a few breaks here and there. The longest session I have ever played was 62 hours with 1 5 hour break for sleep.
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asbo subject posted:Why are the pockets on American pool tables twice as big as UK pool tables? I didn't know that the sizes were different. It maybe that you played on a larger table. Different size tables have wider or slimmer pockets depending on the type of table and the size of the table. Chamale posted:Do serious pool players take awkward trick shots? When I'm messing around with my friends I can sink shots holding the pool cue behind my back or something like that, and sometimes it seems better than trying to lean all the way across the table for a bad angle. What kind of trick shots are practical to use in a competitive game? There are several shots that could be considered trick shots that I use all the time. There is the Masse' shot. Basically you are making the ball curve around another ball with a crazy amount of spin on it. I also jump balls sometimes if I have no other options. I don't use the behind the back shot unless I have no other options. It can be hard to control what the cue ball does after you take a shot like that.
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Mar 31, 2012 22:31
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You name it I have or will gamble on it. I bet on sports, horribly I might add, I also bet on the horses especially in the summer. I like to go the live tracks. I also play alot of poker. Poker is another thing that has been in my family since I remember. Every family get together we played nickel dime poker after dinner. I was 13 years old when I first was allowed to play poker and I won $3.23. I also do alot of prop bets. My next prop bet will be in a couple weeks when the weather gets warmer. A guy I play poker with considers himself to be the best golfer around. I am an awful golfer. I know the basics and can swing a club decent but I have no clue on distance and proper swing technique and all that. The bet is we play 18 holes on a course of my choosing. He gives me a 67 stroke lead. For every stroke he beats me by I pay him 25 bucks a stroke. For every stroke I beat him by he pays me $75 per stroke. I have alot more of those but I don't know if you guys would be interested in hearing them.
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Apr 1, 2012 02:20
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Darth Freddy posted:You mentioned having several cues. Just how different are cues? You said your good one was over 1k. Is it the weight, finish on it or what, made of more "bouncy" materials or what? It seems like every few years someone designs or invents a way to supposedly make the cue better. There are wood cues, fiberglass cues and metal cues. I have always used a wood cue. It feels natural and I just am from the old school that likes the wood cues. There are also different weights that you can get. I use a lighter cue that is 17 oz. Your standard bar cue is usually 19 or 21 oz cues. I like a lighter cue because it helps me keep the same exact stroke every time. The tip can also vary too. I like a leather tip that is about the size of the dime. I can put better english on the ball with a smaller tip helping me control it better on the table. It all comes down to what you are most comfortable with because everyone is different. matthew j posted:Have you ever seen Poolhall Junkies? If so, how realistic are those scenarios compared to what you do? I can quote that movie word for word I have seen it so many times. There are things about the movie that are realistic. Most of the pool hall scenes early on were they are hustling local players is spot on. In most pool halls there is always regulars who love to gamble and are really bad at it. They stick around and think they are getting better but in reality they are just like the movie says junkies. They won't listen to advice to make them a better player so they just lose money constantly. I have never seen a major showdown like the movie but I have heard old stories of stuff like that happening. This may sound corny but a few times if I was going to play a road player in town or setup a big money match I watch the lions scene from the bathroom just as a little motivation because that scene is so perfect.
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Apr 1, 2012 15:54
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blah_blah posted:Play the easiest course you can find, from the shortest tees possible. I already have a course picked out and I have a friend helping me with my swing at the driving range. I have a medium course picked with lots of bunkers. The reason I picked the one with lots of bunkers is that is my opponents weakest part of his game. If he gets frustrated early he tends to play worse per other people he regularly golfs with. iLikeMidgets posted:Have you ever choked playing a big money game? You mentioned a story of a race to 10 games where you won 6 straight to come from behind. Has it been the other way around for you? There are too many times to remember them all but I have choked a lot. It's apart of gambling some nights things just don't go your way. Some nights I have other poo poo on my mind and lose focus. There is this young kid named Scooter who I talked about earlier in the thread. He lost 15k to a pro like it was nothing. There have been rumblings that he has an inheritance and he is gambling it away but no one knows for sure where he gets his bankroll or if someone is backing him he just always has money. He is a road player but when he comes back into town he has this small entourage with him wherever he is. In the last 3 years that I have known Scooter we have gambled twice. The first time I played him in a 10-8 race for 2k, I had to win 10 before he won 8. I crushed him 10-2 and there was a little bit of controversy about if I made a legal shot in one of the games with a lot of arguing about it. I feel like I made a legal hit everyone watching agreed and when there is a dispute it usually goes to the shooter but there really is no rules in gambling thats kind of a respect thing it's kind of up to the 2 shooters to come to an agreement. We decided to scratch the game and re-rack with me getting the break. Naturally to add more fuel to the fire I hit the 8 on the break and a couple of people watching started poo poo to scooter and his entourage. After that match there is some bad blood nothing violent or crazy but we just don't like each other. It's a little like a new school vs. old school thing. So I am at local bar shooting and drinking one night and Scooter shows up with his entourage and we get into it and in the heat of the moment and pure ego on my part I agree to play him for 5k in a 10-7 race, I have to win 10 before he wins 7 he chooses the pool hall and the choice of cueball. I tell alot of my friends about it because I want alot of people there with me to keep scooters entourage in check. They tend to do some lovely things like standing close to the table or getting in my eyesight during tough shots. Just small hustling things that will give a player an edge. I am so worried about his stupid entourage that the whole match they are in my head and he whips my rear end 7-2. I choked big time in front of a lot of people. While at the time it sucked really bad I actually ended up getting some more action later on because I looked like a choke artist and it took a year and some nice wins to realize that I don't always choke in big matches. Midjack posted:I saw the 2-man scam you ran with your uncle; what's the biggest/most complicated you've participated in? Have you ever used rigged equipment? How do you keep other people from using gaffed equipment against you? I am curious what tipped you off to the 2 man hustle. Did they get busted or was it successful and you just noticed it? The 2-man hustle is the biggest thing I have done. I usually hustle by myself it's easier and I'd rather not split money. I have never used rigged equipment and as far as I know I don't think anyone has used it against me. There are a number of things I do before I gamble with someone. I take about 5 minutes and study the table hitting every rail with the cueball at different speeds to see if there is a drift or a dead rail. I also watch when my opponent racks for me because you can loose rack someone and it can really screw up the break. When you have been around pool equipment all your life you will instantly spot something out that isn't right. There are often times people try to gamble on an uneven table but I can spot that and actually use it to my advantage. I did have a guy switch cueballs on me once he changed it to a heavier cueball but the minute I picked it up to break I knew what type of cueball it was so it didn't hurt me at all.
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Dirty Sanchez posted:drat if you don't make interesting threads! I have two questions. I am not sure about the natural talent thing. I have never seen someone who just picked up a stick and was really good. I am sure there is but as far as I know most people who I shoot with have played for years and practice a lot. I have shot against a couple of pro's in Vegas and they always kick my rear end. I don't think I am good enough to go pro and to be honest it's not something I am interested in ever doing. Not only have I been beaten by a woman I was hustled by one and lost $500 bucks. I was shooting pool one day with some friends and I was drunk. This guy was taking mad poo poo and I took $150 off of him in 3 games. I noticed his girlfriend was with him and she was beautiful. I was actually distracted by how beautiful she was. I was feeling a little cocky and was joking around and said that they could shoot doubles to try and get their money back. They jumped right on the idea and I should have known something was up but you know I was distracted and drunk lol. I won 2 more games for a total of $250. They both seem to be getting upset now and I decide I am going to have a little fun with them. I give them the option of playing me in a race 5-2. If they win I will give them their money back. I am up 3-0 and I scratch going for the 8 on the break to make the race 3-1. They beat me the next match to make it 3-2 and they win their $250 back. I am pretty pissed that I cost myself the game so not only am I drunk, distracted by how beautiful this woman is, I am now pissed at myself that I just had to give them their money back. Some poo poo talking happens and she gets under my skin and says she can beat me herself. We decide on the terms of the bet being a 5-2 race with her getting all the breaks for $500. She kicks my rear end 2-0 and I realize after the first match when she breaks and runs on me that I have been hustled. They don't even try to get more money out of me they take my $500 pay my tab without me knowing and leave. I have no clue who she was and no one else knew them either. I felt like such an idiot but at the same time I was impressed at how well their hustle worked. I imagine they are road players and probably do pretty good at it. confused posted:Thanks for the excellent thread, OP. You already discussed it a bit, but could you go into more depth about your views on the ethics of what you are doing? Do you think your actions are ethical? What are the lines that you won't cross? I never really think about the things I do as unethical. I never really stay in contact with most of the people that I hustle. I never see the impact I am causing by taking their money. I think my actions are fine and see nothing wrong with it. It's gambling and anyone who knowingly enters in a bet regardless of how bad they are at disadvantage they still made the choice themselves to take a risk. It's the same thing as casinos in my opinion. They don't know how bad their customers are in debt or that joe blow is using his rent money to gamble they just want your money. The only line I won't cross is cheating. I will not switch pool cues or use rigged equipment. I use what is provided unless I bring my own stick then I use that. Does that answer your questions? I have no problem talking about ethics it's just that I don't think about it very often so its hard to explain my position on it. I work in a job that cause a lot of people to hate my guts some people think it is unethical what I do but I don't. blackguy32 posted:Do you ever see yourself stopping or scaling back on hustling? No. I will shoot pool and hustle people until the day I die or until I can no longer physically do it. I am addicted to it and love everything about the game itself. I enjoy hustling and the feeling you get when you win is better then any drug out there and I am sure I have tried them all at some point in my life. I have a few friends who I went to school with that are in the film buisness. We have talked several times about making a documentary about pool hustling because I think people would be fascinated by it. It's just hard to get actual pool hustlers to talk and let cameras film what they do. Plus where most of the big time gambling occurs it happens at pool tournaments and the people who run them don't want to be associated with gambling. OneEightHundred posted:What kind of situation would allow a behind-the-back shot but not another option? The only time I would use a behind the back shot is if the place I am playing does not have a bridge and that is my only shot I can take at the time. It very rarely happens though. j_a_s_e posted:Sheeit this is an interesting thread. I don't mind playing on a crappy table at all it will only cause my opponent to play poorly. I have played on so many tables that I can adjust my game accordingly to an uneven table or dead rails or even holes in the felt. I feel a crappy table gives me an advantage because I know how to control the cueball. jase1 fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Apr 2, 2012 |
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Juanito posted:This thread is awesome. I wish I had an amazing story like that but no. I did talk earlier in the thread about guy losing his poo poo and just swinging at us wildly with the cue. I didn't have the guts to stick around and find out the aftermath. I usually try to stay out of dangerous situations like that people are crazy and if you add alcohol and gambling to the mix it produces unpredictable results.
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Local Resident posted:Any good at snooker? At school I used to play pool occasionally, and was very mediocre. But at least I read a book and knew what I was supposed to be doing. There is one Snooker table that I know of in my area. Every time I have shot pool in the poll hall there it's either empty or a group of Asian guys are playing it. It is a huge table with red felt and no pockets I have asked the owner a couple of times but even he doesn't know how to play. Those guys requested it and they give him good business so he has it in the pool hall. Never had to repo anything like that. My uncle Frank still has a yellow mini dirtbike that was given to him to settle a debt. It's pretty funny watching him ride it around on his property because its a mini bike and he has a beer gut and he is really short. He is pretty happy about that one because the kid he gambled with had to walk home. Baggot posted:Is hustling a common thing in pool halls? From reading this thread, I got the impression that hustling is a far more common occurrence than I would have guessed. In my area it goes on a lot but you have to be in the places it happens. Some of the pool halls I go to don't even have windows and are in backrooms and hard to find. Some bars have big pool rooms like a Dave and Buster's so alot of pool players hang out there. The bar takes care of the tables and have pool tourneys there so in turn it puts a lot of pool players in one place at the same time which is a great time to hustle someone. I go to local tourneys and just hang out there the whole time looking for action. Dive bars don't always have hustlers usually if I am at a bar and I think I can take someone for money then I do it. Sometimes if I see a bar with a sign that is advertising pool I will just stop there and check the place out. Then coming back on the weekend to look for action. I have no clue if it happens in any of those but I do know a few guys who play cards for a living. I know they get in big games around town with rich guys and clean up. You could consider them card hustlers. Animal-Mother posted:When you die, will God force you to be a ghost and shoot pool with lonely, obsessed players for eternity until you find one to replace you? I hope this is a movie and I am missing the reference because I will watch that movie the first chance I get.
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confused posted:Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I think I agree with everything you say here. I certainly don't think there is anything unethical about gambling. When I play poker I purposefully try to hide the strength of my hand in order to get people to put more money in the pot. I am deceiving someone through deception or manipulation to get all their money. Does that mean playing poker is unethical? That's really the only way I can describe it. In my opinion its the same thing.
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ripped0ff posted:jase, hopefully you don't mind me chiming in here. I'm not even a half decent pool player, but I used to tend bar in a pool hall for a while and I have some fair insight to chip in. Thanks for the insight and I always appreciate input from anyone. I just want to be clear on a few things I really don't ever think about things being ethical. I don't know if that makes a bad person but it's something that never crosses my mind. I personally feel that as long as I am not cheating I am not doing anything wrong. Now I am sure that gambling in a pool hall is probably illegal. I don't know for sure but if it is then I guess I am breaking a law and if I get caught then I deserve the punishment I get. I have gambled with police officers before because I am quite friendly with a few and they have never said anything. To clarify a few things I said about poker, millions of poker players work on their image that includes their image away from the table. They want to look like something they are not in order to get their opponent to gamble with them. I have watched guys in a casino pretend to be drunk sit down at a table and the next thing you know the table is full of people trying to take the drunks money. He deceived everyone including people who weren't even at the table into believing he was going to lose a lot of money. Hope that helps you guys understand my view on the ethics question. Omerta posted:Just wanted to say great thread. I started playing pool three months ago and bought my own cue about a month ago. I can beat the once every week or two player almost every time, but I would get crushed by a 7. When I first started shooting pool my uncle just gave me a stick and showed me the fundamentals on how to hold a stick and said now practice making shots. He would set up pool balls in certain positions on the table and I just practiced making shots without any english over and over again. The key is to have the same stroke on every shot it's a little like muscle memory that your body learns when you do a golf swing. I learned to keep my head down through the shot and do the exact same stroke every time. Putting a coke bottle on the table and touching the back of the inside of the bottle without your stick touching any other part of the bottle is a good drill. I still do that every once if I haven't played for awhile and need to get back to my normal stroke. Here is exactly what I do when I play a pool match. This routine never changes for me. Right after I break I grab the chalk and chalk my stick while I walk around the table and see if IO can run out. If I can run out without any trouble balls I do that. If I can't run out I decide what I am going to do I visualize my whole run up to trying to break up my trouble balls. If I see an opportunity to play a really good safe on my opponent I do that only if I can't run out. My first thought at the table is to run out on someone. If the other player has trouble balls I will attempt a risky shot I also will do that if I fell the other player is not very good skill wise too. I am always studying the table visualizing what I think my opponent will do. I make sure that he can't run out on me if he is a high skill level. Some of the things I do that are safeties is I leave my ball in the pocket so he can't shoot his in there, I push a ball into the 8 ball or in front of it to prevent my opponent from making the 8. There are times when I can't run out so I miss a ball on purpose to let my opponent make the next move. All of these things can backfire on you and you have to really look 2 or 3 shots ahead to see the whole picture but nothing is a given. Sometimes I miscue or leave the ball in a bad place and start my plan all over again. Olewithmilk posted:What's the worst you've ever handicapped yourself in a game (to hustle someone or not)? You said about having races where you had to win 10 before someone got 7 but have you ever bet you could beat someone one handed or something like that? I once was so confident against a a guy that I gave him a 10-3 race for $200, he gets all the breaks and he only has to make it to the 8 ball to be considered a win. He was just a really bad shot and gets frustrated very easily when someone safes him. He hates safeties and says it ruins the game. So the first match I played a safety after every shot just to piss him off. By the end of the first match he was so furious he just played horribly and I beat him 10-1. That was probably the most weight I ever gave to anyone. I usually don't handicap myself to bad. I am always looking for an edge and if I give my opponent to much weight it defeats the point of hustling someone. Playing to someones weakness is a huge part of hustling. I was gambling with a guy once and I remember Garth Brooks song about friends in high places came on the jukebox. This guy hated that song so much for some reason so I went to the jukebox and put a 20 in and played it over and over again. The funniest thing happened the whole bar including me just kept singing it over and over again at the top of their lungs while we shooting our match. The guy was so furious he could hardly even finish the match. It amazes me that people let stupid poo poo like that get to them especially if they are gambling for money.
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Sometimes when I am discussing pool with someone I completely forget that some of the terms I use make no sense to people who don't follow pool. Let me break down some of the terms and their significance. I don't know to much about the history of pool or how the words came about but I do know their meaning. Safety is in my opinion the most important part of pool. It is basically playing defense against your opponent. Let's say that my opponent has 2 balls left and I have 6 balls left on the table. If I feel my opponent can run out on me I will play a safe shot. I take the cueball and put it in a position to make my opponents next shot tougher. I try to leave the cueball behind one of my balls or in the path so my opponent can't make his next shot or he has a really tough shot to make. Sometimes a safe includes pushing one of my balls in front of one of his balls or the 8 ball. Sometimes I will make one of his balls that is blocking the pocket that I want to shoot one of my balls into. I especially do this if he has other balls that are blocked or in tough places on the table. This is the APA's tutorial on safeties. If you go to the 1:50 mark they show you a couple of ways to play safes. It's a long video but it does a good job explaining what is a safe and what isn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzfvYHM3CEs Scratch is when you pocket the cueball at anytime. In most instances it gives your opponent ball in hand. Foul is when you knock the cueball off the table, scratch the cueball, or hit any other object ball before you hit your object ball. So for instance lets say I am solids and my opponent is stripes. I am aiming at my solid ball but I hit the stripe ball first. That is a foul and gives my opponent ball in hand. Ball in hand is when your opponent fouls or scratches then you get to take the cueball and put it anywhere on the table you want for your next shot. This is why safeties are such an important part of the game. If I can get someone to give me ball in hand it gives me a huge advantage at running my balls out or taking care of my trouble balls. People who play pool casually or bar pool don't use the ball in hand rule you just lose your turn if you don't pocket one of your balls. When you scratch in bar pool the cueball goes behind the break line. 8 ball is a standard game of pool. When you break and make a ball whatever ball you made will be what your balls are for that game whether its stripes or solids. The object of 8-ball is to make all your balls then hit the 8-ball in to win the game. You must first hit all your object balls in then hit the 8-ball last. 9-ball is when you take the pool balls 1-9 and you have to make those balls in numerical order. So when the game starts I have to make the 1 ball first, 2-ball and so on up to the 9 which you make last. In 9-ball at anytime you can make any other ball on the table as long as you hit the correct ball first. For instance say the 9 ball is blocking the 1 ball in the corner pocket. I can hit the 1-ball into the 9-ball and pocket the 9-ball and win the game. English is striking the cueball either on the top, bottom, or either side to get it to spin and move to a place on the table where you want it to be. If you can master english it will help your game tremendously. Hopefully those explanations help. If you need more I am happy to explain anything you guys want. I am glad everyone is enjoying the thread I didn't think it would be so popular. I am hanging out with my uncle Frank this weekend and I told him he has to give me his best couple of stories so I can share them with in this thread. Some of the stories he will be telling me include him getting stabbed in the back with a pool stick. Him and my grandfather hustling the sheriff of a small town in North Carolina and being arrested for it. I remember the stories I just don't remember all the details so I will get them this weekend.
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Jastiger posted:Last question-do you smoke? Is smoking allowed when playing? Has anyone used the environment to mess with you like cigarette smoke, excessively loud music, hitting the light over the table, etc.? I smoked for 18 years and quit cold turkey on January 10th 2011. It's my first year smoke free and I have never felt better. Ohio passed a law that banned smoking inside bars and buildings. Most pool halls around here will allow smoking they usually don't have windows or they are blacked out the door is locked too. I have been around smoking all my life so even now that I quit it doesn't bother me. This reminds me of a guy I love to hustle. Every guy who shoots pool with a cigarette either in his hand or in his mouth while shooting I can guarantee I will be taking at least $50 off him in a night. Those guys seem to have big egos and love to try and impress friends. That's easy money I will be drinking free for sure that night. Some of the things that people do to try and distract you can get pretty crazy. You just can't pay attention. I get people who try to be intimidating like stand close to me or close to the table when I am shooting. Stand directly in front of my sight line and move right as I am going through my pool stroke. I once played a guy for 1k race to 3. It was tied 2-2 and I am on the 8-ball and as soon as I started my pool stroke he said good game and started walkng towards me trying to get me to miss the shot and I made it. I have seen it all people try any advantage they can get. I just don't see it. I don't hear the music, I don't hear anyone talking, I only see the table and I hear myself reminding me to keep my head down and visualize the shot going in. I may sound a little crazy but I talk to myself a lot at the table. Just tell myself to calm down, stay focused, I give myself a little lecture after a bad shot all types of poo poo. DaveSauce posted:How common is people playing by house/non-standard rules, like using the kitchen instead of ball in hand on a scratch? Follow up: how many times have you gotten in to arguments with people about these rules? I always ask what rules they play by. I don't care either way it actually helps me. If they play bar rules with no ball in hand I know that it will be an easy night. If the want to play league rules I usually have to work harder to win money from this person. I can adjust my game accordingly to however anyone wants to play it. It really varies it's whatever action I can get. I have an open challenge out to anyone. All they have to do is ask me to play we set it up and play. There are guys I gamble with on regular basis they beat me a few times I beat them a few times. I have been playing this one guy race to 3 for $100 going on 10 years. I am pretty sure he is ahead because for like the first 5 years he kicked my rear end alot. If there are no road players in town, or pool tourneys then I have lately been going downtown to this suit bar. I call it a suit bar because everyone in it wears a suit and its across the street from a hotel so its buisness people in town and every week it's a whole new crew of drunk rich guys who could care less about losing $40 or $50 bucks. 3 weeks ago I made $300 and last week I made $30 bucks so the action varies. BiggerBoat posted:Yes but you have to strike the balls in order: 1,2,3,4, etc. As long as you do make contact with the next ball and the 9 drops, you win. Which is why I hate 9-ball. Too much junk counts and there's no artistry to it. I disagree completely there is plenty of artistry to 9 ball. It's all about the safeties in that game. If anyone ever gives me ball in hand on a 9-ball game it's an almost instant win and I will call every shot to prove its not junk. 9 ball is harder than 8 ball your cue ball control has to be top notch to be a good 9-ball player. I don't get many 9-ball challenges people don't like to gamble on 9-ball because there is no room for mistakes. In 8-ball ball in hand means I can place the cueball anywhere on the table not just behind the break line. Bar rules is no ball in hand if your opponent scratches you get the cueball behind the break line or kitchen. There are no fouls in bar rules. In league rules any time a player commits a foul its ball in hand anywhere on the table. jase1 fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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Akbar posted:Is pool still fun for you? Like not the hustling part of it, but just shooting a game for kicks. Pool is only fun for me if I am playing someone who is better than me. I enjoy the challenge. Just shooting around is only really fun if I am trying to make stupid shots and betting on them. Just shooting a normal game can get kind of boring because I just run out real quick and it's a waste of quarters at a bar hanging with friends. Sometimes if I am playing a friend who is not good in pool I will try to make the hardest shot on the table every time and that can be fun but really I get easily bored at pool if I am not gambling on it. AgentCow007 posted:Can you learn to masse well enough that you can even make consistent shots using it on worn out, knappy public tables? Out of the 3 hours of games I watched last night, even though they had nice, new, clean Diamond tables that there was only one masse attempt and he missed. I always imagined having a nice table would make it easier, but now I'm thinking it may not be the case. While a good felted table helps your masse' shot it's doesn't make that much of a difference. I rarely use a masse' shot unless I have too, if I can reach a ball by making a bank shot I do that. I have not perfected the masse' shot so its really unpredictable and a low percentage shot for me. I have never gambled with anyone who likes to do that type of shot either it's just really hard to do it and be good at it on a consistent basis. Since I have been playing pool I have always been taught the 8 on the break in 8-ball is a win. In 9-ball it's the same thing if you pocket it on the break it's a win. In league play it's considered a win. There may some other variation that is played that I don't know about. Don't ever buy a cue with a screw on tip. They are cheap and the stick will break easily. Those are pieces of poo poo and I wish people knew that more so they wouldn't be suckered into buying them. Glue on is where it's at. It's secured tightly to the wood and manufactured better in my opinion. I use a glue on and I get it replaced every other year. Ice Phisherman posted:Do you use any tactics for shooting on particularly lovely tables? I usually just give my self 10 or 15 minutes to see how the table plays. I figure if it's a fast table or slow table, if there is any drift or if the table is uneven and I also check for dead rails. If there are those type of things on a table then I try to leave my opponent with shots in that area because they sometimes won't make the proper adjustments. littleorv posted:Have you ever played against any good guys from Canada? I'm just wondering if you remember any names. Because there's a small chance I might know them. Your cousins isn't really that dumb then because he got out of there before he was going to get hustled. That type of thing happens and it's all apart of hustling sometimes you put money into a hustle and they figure it out and leave with your money. Also to answer Ghost of Mussolini's question if I am shooting in a dive bar I will risk around $40 or $50 depending on how much I feel I can take from him. Sometimes I lose the $50 and then the guy leaves. In a pool hall I will risk a little bit more. I also try to figure out how much money this guy has I pay attention to what he keeps in his pockets. If he has a pocket full of money I will risk more to try and take it all. I have shot with a lot guys from Canada but I don't remember any names at all. I went to a pool tourney at a Casino in Windsor and played a lot of really good players in the practice rooms. There was some good action there for sure. Ghost of Mussolini posted:On a completely different note (and a much easier question), from reading the thread female pool players have so far specifically shown up twice, is it therefore safe to assume that they are really rare? If so why do you think there's such a gender line on this, is it the bar/drinking atmosphere and the women sort of being expected to stand around whilst the men prove their manliness on the table? Women pool players are rare but they are out their. I am not sure why there isn't a lot of them but I do see guys being assholes towards women in pool halls so that may be why they aren't around as much. If my girlfriend comes with me to shoot pool she hates it guys are dicks to her and constantly hit on any women in the pool hall regardless if she is there with someone or not. It's scum of the earth and a lot of the guys in a pool room think they are king poo poo. There is a lot of ego in a pool hall. I use this to my advantage a lot. A guy with his girlfriend or a group of girls loves to be the center of attention and that sometimes can be a gold mine of money. Some guys just can't accept that they I am better than them at pool and keep dropping money. This reminds me of a story. 2 years ago I went to Texas with my girlfriend to visit her family. Me and my girlfriend went to a bar one night. I went to take a piss and get some drinks and some guy approaches my girlfriend and is hitting on her. While I am in the bathroom she texts me that this guy is trying to get her to shoot pool with him. I tell her to shoot a game with him and just act like you don't know me when I come back to the table. I come back to the table and they are actually shooting a game. I go up to the table and put my quarters down to get next game. My girlfriend beats him because she is actually a decent shot and this guy is a bar pool shooter. I come up to the pool table and we act like we don't know each other. I shoot a game with her and let her win. This guy is back up at the table and I hear him asking her out. She says that she doesn't date guys who can't beat her in pool and in order to get her # he has to beat her. He loses and it's my turn at the table. I say do the same rules apply to me that if I beat you I get your # and she says yes. The guy is kinda getting pissy because he now sees that I am trying to cockblock him. I beat her and right away we are acting like we hit it off she gives me her # and she is hanging all over me. She goes to the bathroom and the guy starts telling me to back off he was talking to her first and I could tell he was pretty pissed. She comes back and the guy is wanting to shoot more games with her. She says I want to see you too shoot and whoever wins can take me home for the night. I beat the dude and throws his stick on the pool table and storms out all pissed off. If only he know how bad he just got hustled and never had a chance with my girlfriend.
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Agro ver Haus doom posted:Hey I'm interested if you can give us any stories about when the pros come into town and what all that entails. Sometimes pro's come into town just looking for action. Most pool halls have a list of local players they will call who will show up to play pros or road players. I talked earlier about a guy named John Brumback who is the best bank shot pool player in the world hustling a kid for 15k. When word go out who he was in town another hustler who some of you might know if you watch poker by the name of David Peat or viffer as he is known in the poker world contacted my uncle on facebook looking for the address to the pool hall where Brumback was shooting. I have known viffer for a real long time but I know him as Dippy Dave he is from my area and kind of goofy but he is a full time gambler. He is a real good shot but he has unlimited pockets of money due ti his poker playing. His way to make money is to just shoot pool with the guy until the guy is tired and starts making mistakes. They decided that they will play banks (which is you have to make a bank shot for the ball to count) for 1k a ball until either of them run out of money. John said he would stay there as long as it takes. After a straight 22 hours of playing John started to get tired and wanted to take a break that is when Dippy made his move and ended up taking a poo poo ton of money of John. I don't know for sure how much because I left after dippy was down 20k at hour 12, but from hearing the stories he took John for quite a bit. spwrozek posted:How much do you rely on making money by playing pool? Do you go out knowing how much you could lose and cut yourself off? Do you say 'I want an x-box' and go make the money? What would you estimate you make in a year? DerLeo posted:If you don't mind me asking, about how much of your total income is from pool? I don't need to make any money off pool at all to live. I have a really good job and I also have a small side buisness buying vehicles fixing them up and reselling them at a profit. I have a gambling bankroll that is kept in a separate bank account and I never mix my gambling money with my bills money, if I ever go broke then I start all over again as long as my bills are paid first. I usually keep anywhere from $500 to 2K on me at all times If my bankroll goes over 2K I take out the extra and put it in my gambling account. I have money stashed in my car, pool case, and if I am gambling on the road I always hide money in the inside of my underwear in a small pocket that I have sewn in, in case I get robbed or jumped and they take every thing I have a small amount of money to get me back home. I have never had to cut myself off if I lose my bankroll that's on me then I am usually done for the night unless I feel like I can win it back. I would prefer not to go into to many specifics of the money I make but I do make enough that if I wanted to and played every night I could make a living off of it. I wouldn't be rich by any means but I could make a decent salary for myself. If I went on the road fulltime I could make really good money but being a road player is a loving tough life and I am at the point in my life where I like coming home to my own place every night and sleeping in the car waiting for a pool room to open just plain out loving sucks. The money I win I use it for other things like gambling on sports, prop bets, poker, vacations, birthdays and holiday presents for my family and things like that. If I have a really good session I also put money into money market accounts so I can make good interest off of it.
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Apr 4, 2012 19:34
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zVxTeflon posted:Has anyone ever ratted you out as being a hustler mid game or anything like that? Nothing really to exciting on that. I have been outed mid game but it just kills the action people will pay up but won't play another game with me. I think someone said earlier in the thread that I make alot of enemies and that is true to an extent. Local pool players hate guys like me we have a ego and if I walk into a pool hall every one knows me and talks to me or wants to gamble with me which in turn helps to inflate my ego I won't deny that, but local pool players get really jealous and petty and stupid. If they have a chance to screw up a hustle for me especially if I have taken money from them they will do it. I don't get pissed or want to fight or anything like that I just leave. In my early 20's I was a dick and got my rear end handed to me several times not only at the pool table but outside getting the poo poo beat out of me for not learning to keep my mouth shut. bewbies posted:um..... So are money market saving accounts a bad thing? I always assumed they were the safest thing to put my money into. I am curious because I don't have a 401k or anything I just save money and put it in a money market savings account. Getting good at pool is all about practice it's been said earlier in the thread the pool stroke is the most important part of it. Yeah you don't really need to be in shape for pool endurance is a big thing if you shoot any type or marathon matches and in gambling for big money it tends to go on long periods of time. You can never practice enough I try to practice every day to keep my pool stroke the same even if I just shoot one game at home before I go to bed or when I wake up in the morning.
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Apr 5, 2012 03:16
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BiggerBoat posted:A lot of places I see have "NO GAMBLING" signs up by their tables. Is that just for show? Have you ever been playing a money game and been busted by the owner? Also, and I know you've touched on it some, but what do you do if someone stiffs you or tries to run out on you? Ever had anyone trying to play with fake bills? I see those no gambling signs everywhere and I have never been asked to leave and most of the time if we are gambling and people know it they don't say anything. I think the owners only put that up for show to keep the cops away or something but to be honest I am not sure why it's there because I have never seen it enforced. I almost never play someone without the money being put up on the rack or someone holding it so I don't usually have a problem especially strangers. There are some people that I will gamble with if they don't have the money on them but I know them personally then they go on my list of people who owe me money. If the money is a lot and I feel like I can't collect it myself I hire a guy to collect it for me and I pay him a nice hefty fee for that. I had a guy that I gambled with on a regular basis and he always paid. If I played him and he didn't have the money he would pay me the next time he saw me somewhere. He owed me a few grand and I just assumed next time I saw him he would pay. I saw him a couple of times and he kept telling me he is hard up right now and will eventually pay me. I offered him a payment plan with a small vig and he agreed to it. Then he disappeared for about 6 months and I found out he had the money he was just saving it for a road trip. He came back from the road trip broke and started shooting back in the pool halls. I put the word out to other people that he owed me some money and be careful gambling with him. It killed his action and it was tough for him to get a game. I had people letting me know where he was and I would go up there and kill his action anywhere he would go. Eventually he realized I wasn't going away and he saved up the money and paid almost a year later but I got the money plus some vig on top of it. I heard he ended up getting busted for coke and assault for beating the poo poo out of his girlfriend and I haven't seen him since then. Never had anyone pay me with fake money that I know of and I have never heard of that happeneing but I imagine it does happen. Chrispy posted:They definitely aren't a bad thing, and you're right that they're extremely safe. Rates are currently just so low that they're basically not paying out any interest. I know nothing about financial stuff and if I am derailing my own thread I can do this over pm but is there a better option where I can put my money long term that won't be touched but if I need immediate access I can get it without penalties? I have 2 of those money market accounts that I opened 15 years ago and anytime I have extra money I just dump it in there. I haven't touched any money in there in 15 years and when I decide to retire that will basically be my retirement fund. I don't want anything to do with the stock market and that was advice from my uncle when I first opened them was to stay away from investing and just have your money collect interest. I feel money management is one of the most important things in hustling. If I don't have money then I can't make money.
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Local Resident posted:There's a whole subforum for financial stuff, so I'm sure you'd be much better served over there. Jefepato posted:To be honest, the stock market isn't bad if you stay away from short-term trading and speculation and focus mainly on stable income-producing stocks. (Did your uncle get burned by the market?) But you would have to put in the time to learn the basics of how to pick decent stocks. It's not that hard, but it's time that might be better spent shooting pool. Thanks to both for the info and thanks to those that pm'ed me I now know a little bit more about what to do with my money. muskrat posted:Awesome thread. My weakness is long table shots with the cueball resting on the rail. It is very hard to control the cueball on a shot like that and you only have a small part of the ball to hit. In my opinion it's the toughest shot in pool. My favorite shot is the long bank shot if the ball is not frozen on the rail at the other end of the table I can bank it into almost any pocket including the side pockets if I have a weird angle on the ball I can send it 2 rails into the side pocket. jyrka posted:Wouldn't your general body language give it away almost instantly that you're a very good player? The way you hold the cue, how you chalk it, how you walk around the table etc. No? If you are shooting pool in a dive bar it's a must that you act the part. Including looking like your having trouble holding the stick, I sometimes change my bridge a few times in the first couple of shots to make it look like I am getting comfortable with a certain bridge. If you make it look like you have a hard time holding the stick that goes a long way. Acting like you are drunk or high is pretty easy to do especially around strangers who don't know you. A little slurred speech, pauses between words making look like you lost your train of thought and of course the stumbling around. The easiest one to do is to make it look like your are trying to lean on something but missing it completely and almost falling to the ground. I don't do my normal routine when I am hustling someone that will give it away to quick. I make sure not to chalk my stick and miscue on a purpose a few times. You would be amazed at how many times someone will tell me "chalk is free". If I am gambling with someone who knows I am a good player then I don't need to act like anything. I spent a lot of time in my uncle's basement at family gatherings with my uncles getting drunk and shooting pool. Before I even took a drink I could act like a drunk and I think I do a pretty good job at it. If anyone hasn't seen the movie Diggstown you should go watch it now. Not only is it a a great movie but it has a great scene where Oliver Platt hustles some guys in a pool room for pink slips while he is drunk off his rear end. I couldn't find it on youtube but I did find it on another site and it's just so perfect the way he hustles them. It's a short clip and it doesn't go into to much detail but I think it hits it right on the head with hustling. http://movieclips.com/uNJy-diggstown-movie-the-con-and-the-hustle/
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Harry posted:Was he really hustling anyone there? There was a thread about a traveling pool player here a few years ago, and the way he described it sounded like a lot of the known pros didn't bother hustling anyone because they still got action from people wanting to prove how good they were. Pretty much like how you described with Dippy Dave. I think in this case he was hustling. He is not walking around with a sign that says I am in the hall of fame and from what I remember Scooter had no clue who he was. No matter how good you are there is always a bit of hustling going on I never really want anyone to know how good I truly am until I take all their money. I understand what your saying though someone as famous as him doesn't really need to hustle anyone because people are always going to step up to him to see if they can beat him. evensevenone posted:Do you have trick shots that you do to make it look like you "got lucky" with a key shot, rather than just being good? Or other ways to win without looking like a good player? I don't know if I would call them trick shots it's just my cueball control is a really good strength in my game. I can take a shot and leave myself in a tough situation to make it look like I am not as good as I am. The whole goal of hustling someone is to as someone earlier in thread put it deceive them into believing that I am not that good of a player. The thing I do a lot is miss really easy shots and then when I make a hard one I act surprised like I can't believe I just made a shot like that. I do have a couple of I guess you call them trick shots that I can do on a consistent basis. If you have ever seen the movie Poolhall Junkies there is shot the main character does that is a really tough shot but also looks like an impossible shot. Here is the video of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRNyooGpgb4 I can't even count how many times I have done this shot and won money off it or free drinks. It's actually a pretty easy shot if you know what type of english to put on the cueball. Trick shots aren't really my thing though. I love to watch those guys on tv and if I am at a big tourney they usually have a trickshot challenge and I always watch those. This one guy Mike Massey invented a trick where he jumps the cue ball into his boot away from the table. It's really impressive stuff. I watched him do it live at the derby city classic and he did it on the first try. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4gT1yhKs5A I meet up with my uncle this weekend and we shoot some pool and he gave me a ton of stories to tell on here. When I get some time at work later I will post a few stories.
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Reverand maynard posted:Do you have trouble putting money into the bank? I have been using the same bank account's since I was 20 and I have never had a problem. The one guy bank teller knows what I do and he plays a lot of poker so if I have to go inside to the bank I usually talk to him for awhile. I am sure if he wanted to he could report me but I have never had an issue. To be clear I don't even know if what I am doing is illegal or not I have never been arrested for gambling. I have been in illegal casinos when they have been raided but they usually just make you leave and arrest the people running it. Konstantin posted:If he cheats on his taxes he's a scumbag anyway. Plenty of gamblers pay their taxes, it's not that hard, and the IRS eventually will catch up to you if you don't. I agree anyone who doesn't pay taxes is a scumbag. Even though most people consider me a scumbag because of my job and the gambling I do. The government still gets its cut and I am completely ok with that. I learned all about taxes when I was young basically I keep a spreadsheet of anything that I gamble on and at the end of the year I not only claim all my winnings but I also use my gambling losses as deductions. I have an accountant that handles all of that stuff every year I just email him my spreadsheet and he takes care of it. I don't know the specifics except I can't claim I lost more than I won. So if I won $500 in a year and lost $1000 then I can't use the extra that I lost as a deduction. Does that make sense? I have never been audited but my uncle was and he said the IRS accepted his spreadsheet as long as it had dates with wins and losses and where he gambled. I am sure that sometimes I am breaking the law by gambling in a bar but I have never been audited so if that time comes I will deal with it then. I am pretty sure thought that the IRS only cares about getting its cut its not to concerned with where I got the money from. grass lemon posted:Can you tell us the stories of you getting beat up for running your mouth when you were younger? I have mentioned this in the thread before but I will say it again I have an ego. It has gotten me in trouble a lot in my life and I have deserved all of the it. I still have an ego but I have learned how to keep it in check. I was 22 and I just came back from a week long pool tournament in Detroit and I cleaned out a ton of players the whole week I was there. I must have made close to 5 or 6 grand for the whole week. I thought I was king poo poo and I acted like it. I would go to a pool hall and just be a dick, I would gamble with people but at the same time berate them and talk poo poo to them and so on and I was on such an ego trip, but my confidence was sky high and I just couldn't lose. I had played this guy Bruce who hated my guts already just because of my last name. He was a coke head and if he was really high on coke I could usually take him for a couple hundred. I was dating this girl at the time that was way out of my league but she loved the lifestyle of gambling and drugs and alcohol. As long as I kept that flowing she was around which in turn inflated my ego even more. So she is with me and I decide I am going to impress her and take some money of this guy Bruce. We decide on a 5-4 race for $300. I crush Bruce 5-0 and I don't remember much of what I said but I do remember what set him off. After I beat him and he paid me I was cracking jokes about him being bald and he started to leave. I yelled pretty loud as he was walking out the door "let me know how your coke dealers dick tastes when you see him tonight". Everyone is laughing and the next thing I know he grabs me by the throat pushes me onto the pool table and smashing me in the face with his fists and then he slammed my head against the pool table and knocked me out. I woke up on the table with the paramedics asking me a bunch of questions. He gave me a broken nose and a concussion. No one helped me or anything except after Bruce left they called the ambulance. The girl I was with actually stopped talking to me after that because she was so embarrassed to be around me. My Uncle gave me a pretty good lecture about that one. Bruce eventually got popped for selling coke a few years later and I have no clue whatever happened to that dude I haven't seen him in probably 10 years.
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Bob Morales posted:When I used to drink every day I would play a ton of pool. Usually just for drinks but sometimes for $5-$20, and always straight pool. I could never get on the level of the 'good' players in the area (seems like those fuckers never miss) but I could usually run the table at any of the bars in town for the night. I have never had anyone try that on me or if they did do it I didn't catch them. If a person has to try and cheat me to beat me then they are hosed because usually you play a couple of games and it can be really hard to cheat in pool if someone is paying attention. When I play a race a guy would literally have to cheat in every race to beat if that's his goal and it's just an easy thing to do. Sometimes if I am playing a drunk that I know has no chance and he does something like that I let it go. Why not give him an extra shot it really don't matter in the long run skill will usually outlast cheating in most cases. Story time! My Grandfather was such a unique individual, on one hand he was a piece of poo poo and emotionally abusive to my grandmother and their kids. They had 9 kids and he has even been accused of sexually molesting one of the kids but no one knows if thats the truth or not because my Aunt who made the accusations has been known to lie before. It just came out after he passed away a year ago. On the other hand he was an amazing grandfather to all the grandchildren. He was a coin collector and every grandchild that was born he gave us the complete coin collection from the year we were born for gifts. He has amazing stories about WWII and some awesome memorabilia including a Hitler youth knife that he gave me when I was 16 years old. He was also a very racist man and he had no problem letting anyone know how much he hated minorities and that they were ruining the country including sports. I love him because he is family and he was always nice to me but at the same time I realize that he is a pretty despicable person. He passed away a year ago and it was probably the most awkward funerals I have ever been to. I mean my dad absolutely hated my grandfather with a passion for the way he treated his family but my dad loved him and he also took care of him in his dying days and he paid for most of the medical stuff my grandfather needed before he passed away. After the war he married my grandmother and became a coal miner in West Virgina he use to hang with the same couple of guys after work they would go drink beer and shoot pool. The guy who taught him how to shoot pool was a man named Lester who my grandfather met in the coal mines and they became friends. They only hung out after work though and they always went to the bars in the area. One time they tried to go into this bar but it had a sign on it that said No Coloreds and Lester said he couldn't go into the bar. The didn't understand why and finally Lester told them it was because he was black and not aloud into the place because of the sign. The reason they didn't know that Lester was black was because they were always covered in coal dust or soot or whatever you call it. My grandfather never knew that one of his best friends was black and to top it off the person who taught him how to shoot pool. They actually stopped hanging around Lester after they found this out. So after my Uncle Frank gets older him and my grandfather decide to take a road trip to North Carolina and just stop at dive bars and gamble with people and see the sights. They stop in this little town called Wadesboro, North Carolina, according to my Uncle you could drive through the whole town in less then 5 minutes. There is a pool hall there and they decide to stop in and shoot a few games. Right away they notice that it is mostly filled with black people and my grandfather doesn't like it, and even throws a few racist terms around but he sees the opportunity to make some money. They hustle a few guys and take about $50 total when a white guy approaches them about playing for some big money. They agree to $100 a game and my grandfather beats the guy 15-3 before the guy gives up. He goes to settle up with the guy and collect the money and the guy refuses to pay him. He leaves and as my grandfather runs out the door after him the local police are all there and they arrest both my uncle and my grandfather. My Uncle doesn't even remember the charges but he said basically they didn't allow any form of racism in that town and they were pissed because of the things my grandfather was saying about black people. They took all their money and most of their belongings including their pool sticks and made them stay a few days in jail before they let them go. They were also told if they ever come into town again they will be arrested on sight. Needless to say that was the end of their little road trip.
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I would always prefer an angle on a shot to a straight shot because it is easier to control where the cueball will go with or without english. If I have a straight shot I am limited to what I can do. I have to rely on just the english to control the cueball. I can draw the cueball back or put top english on it to move the ball forward. The problem with top english in this situation is you have a potential to scratch. So now I have to adjust and put either top right english or top left so it changes the direction of the cueball. There are also minor things you can do to change the path of the object ball. For instance you can cheat a pocket a little bit and what I mean is you can aim to the left of the pocket or right of the pocket a little bit and the ball will still go in. It's kind of like putting in golf if you think about it. Sometimes when a guy putts the ball it hits the side of the cup and rolls in or rolls out, you can do the same thing in pool. If I can hit the side of the pocket and not the titty (which is the pointed edge of the pocket) the ball will roll into it. Now if I hit it really hard I have had the ball roll in the pocket and come back out just like a golf ball rolls around the cup. Here is a video explaining that. I hope you guys don't mind these videos. It's just really hard for me to explain things and type it out properly so it makes sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm3vVQChZBc I can also put left english or right english on the cueball which in turn gets the object ball to spin the way I want it to. This hard to explain so let me show a video. I have done this so many times its just natural so its hard for me to explain without being on an actual table and showing someone. This guy does a real good job of explaining the transfer of english. The video is a little slow but he uses a good analogy of how the balls spin kind of like a gear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gx1sX15xNI I like those diagrams and I wish when I was younger I would have been able to see stuff like that. I just learned on the table and memorized how the ball will react in each situation. I am sure now that it helps people pick it up a lot quicker with the access of the internet and things like that.
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BirdOfPlay posted:OP, you mentioned how, for the "big games/bets" you have somebody that holds the money and has your back. That sounds a little complicated and involved for an everyday thing. Especially if you don't get any big money flowing. I don't always have a guy that holds my money or comes with me, that is really only if I set up a big time match and I am worried for my safety or if I go on the road. I sometimes travel into Michigan or West Virginia to look for action in various pool halls. If I do that I have a friend, and for purposes of this story I will just call him D, who goes with me and is basically my bodyguard. I have known him for a really long time and he basically works the door at various illegal casinos around town. I literally trust him with my life and a there are times he has pulled me out of a situation that would have ended badly for me. About 9 or 10 years ago I setup a game at this pool hall in Detroit with a local money player. He wanted to play 9 ball for $100 a game and he said he would play until either of us ran out of money. He was at the time a big time drug dealer in the area. I saw him at various events and took money from a couple of his friends. I had heard through word of mouth that he always talked poo poo about me and wanted to play me. We finally decided to set up a match. I went and after we played for about 12 hours he was up $200 so basically we were close to even in skill. He was a really good player but what helped him a lot was he had this huge intimidating entourage. We decided to take a hour break to get something to eat and rest for a few. I went to get some food with D and he was letting me know right away that he thinks this is a bad situation to be in. He felt like this guy and his entourage where scoping me out to potentially either rob me or beat the poo poo out of me or whatever. D just didn't feel safe. I told him I appreciated it but I wanted to try and at least win some money off this guy and if it got heated we could just bail. We go back and start another long session. I get up $700 and I can tell that this guy is not liking that I am winning. I talk to D about getting ready to leave soon because things are getting weird. I just felt like I wasn't wanted there and something may go down. We start to play another game and I put the money on the rack and next thing I know D grabs my coat, my stick and literally grabs me by the neck and pulls me out of there. I have no clue what is going on but D just tells me to get the gently caress out of there. We hit the road and he tells me that one of the guys was handing a gun to another guy and it seemed like they were getting ready to do something. At the time I was basically mother loving d up and down about the way he handled it but when I came to my senses I realized that he probably just saved my life. That's why I pay D well and until he tells me no he will always be the guy who goes with me. D always seems to know if something is going to go down. He really is great at reading a situation and to be honest I would rather have him be to overprotective because in the long run I actually like being alive.
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Apr 12, 2012 17:26
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One of the advantages of being a really good pool player is it makes it really easy to pick up women. I have dated several women who are way out of my league just because they are attracted to the lifestyle I live. When you go into a bar and take over the table you would be amazed at how many women will approach you. I don't consider myself to be Gods gift to women or anything like that. In fact I suck at approaching women and most of the time I would make a fool of myself so a lot of the women I have dated are because they have approached me. When I say I have an ego thats more related to my skills in pool. I went to a friends law firm work party at Dave and Busters about 7 years ago because he was bragging me up about how I could beat anyone in pool. It was a basically a bunch of really young cocky lawyers who have money to burn and free alcohol which is a perfect combination for hustling. The Dave and Busters here in my area has these really amazing tables that they take care of. I love shooting on those tables because they are huge and taken care of on a daily basis. I get there about 2 hours into the party and most of the people are already drunk or close to it. My friend brags me up and one of the lawyers talks about how he grew up in bars and can beat anyone in pool. He was cracking jokes about me bringing my own stick and things like that and saying he hopes I brought a lot of money. We start off small playing for $20 a game and I let him win 4 games for a total of $80. While those matches are going on I notice that this girl comes over and starts talking to him. She is beautiful and I couldn't help but stare at her especially while he was shooting. She caught me looking a few times and I could tell she liked the attention. I ask my friend about her and he says it just some girl this guy invited but they aren't together or anything. So I figure now that this guy has beaten me a few times I am going to get my money back and more. I ask him if he wants to play for $50 a game. I tell him I only have $100 left in my pocket so if I lose 2 more games I am done for the night. He says to me well it looks like your night is going to end early because I am going to take your last $100. I got him hook line and sinker. I win the next 2 games and he only went to the table once and that was because I had to play a safety on him. He is getting more and more pissed and tries to pull the I will bet more money then this guy has technique. He says lets up the stakes and play for $500 a game with him thinking I don't have that kind of money. I tell him fine and pull out 5 $100 bills and put it on the table and tell him he can break if he wants because it will probably be his only chance at the table. He now realizes that he has been hustled and is having none of it. He calls me a few choice words and goes to the girl he is with to get out of there and I can see they are kind of arguing. He gets super pissed off and storms out of the pool area and she walks up to me and asks if I want to play a few games and we ended hanging out all weekend together. I didn't even have to hit on her she approached me all because I embarrassed her friend in pool.
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Apr 12, 2012 23:03
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Jastiger posted:Can you link to the repo thread? I don't have the platinum upgrade thingie anymore to find it. If your writing there is like this thread I'd love to read it. I can't link to the repo thread because I can't find it. I don't see it bookmarked in my favorites anymore. I get new stories every week from my job so when I get some time I will start a new thread about the repos. Let me give you some background on D just to show you what type of guy he is. The best way to describe him physically is he reminds me of Ving Rhames. I am sure he is not as big as him but he is a pretty intimidating person. D has a really hosed up childhood both of his parents abandoned him when he was 10 and he basically lived in foster care until he was 18. He was in and out of prison for a really long time and while in prison he told me he basically got the poo poo kicked out of him everyday until he learned how to fight and started fighting back. He has a scar on the back of his neck from where he was stabbed by another guy in prison because he wouldn't join their gang. His last stint in prison was when he was around 23 or 24. When he got out of prison a local guy around here who runs these underground casinos hired him to basically be the doorman at his place or a muscle man. I met him because he would always frisk me as I went into these places and I was a regular at the poker tables. I have watched him literally grab people by their clothes and just throw them out of places. Sometimes it's kind of funny because he picks them up with such ease that it looks fake, like there are wires holding the guy up, but no D really is that strong. I asked him if he wants to make extra money and help me out sometimes and he loves it because most of the time he just sits there and looks tough and he doesn't have to do poo poo. It's really funny sometimes because he loves Christopher Hitchens books because he is fascinated with religions and atheism so here is this huge muscle guy sitting in a pool room wearing glasses reading books but at the drop of the hat he will wreck your poo poo if he has too. D came with me once when I went on a tour of the pool halls in West Virgina. My family is from West Virgina and I use to go there when I was kid for family reunions and stuff like that. My Uncle Frank knows every pool room in that state and he told me which ones would likely have the most money in them. So D goes with me and we find this poolhall in Charleston. I call the owner to let him know that I am a road player looking for action and I show up there later that night with a line of people wanting to play me. I beat a couple of people for small amounts of money $50 or $100 games and things like that. I am doing pretty good and making some decent amount of money in small increments. The pool hall closes at 4 am and reopens at noon. So I get a hotel and we decide to stay there a few days until the money runs out. I was there for 2 nights and doing pretty good I had only played one other guy that was close to my skill level but he didn't have a lot of money and he couldn't find a backer so we only played a few games. I noticed there was an older guy maybe in his late 50's who had been paying attention to every game I played. I figured either he was scouting me out to play me or checking me out for someone else to play me. The one night I am just finishing shooting around looking for action the old guy approaches me about playing a game. We decide on the a match and to be honest I can't even remember what the terms of the match was. I remember beating him and him getting more and more frustrated each time I take money from him. The owner finally decides to close up and he is kicking every one out. We walk outside and we get surrounded by 4 guys including the old man. Basically they are a bunch of racist shitheads who don't like the fact that D is in their pool room and also that I have pretty much beaten every one. The one guy has a bat and of course my gun is in the hotel room because I didn't feel like I was going to be in trouble in anyway. D just steps forward pulls his gun out and says these exact words in the most calmest way possible "I just want you fellas to know that I am prepared right now to get the poo poo kicked out of me, but just so you know I will make sure at least one of you will die tonight before you succeed in kicking the poo poo out of us." They just back off and we go straight to my car and hightail it out of there. I remember telling D that night that he is the baddest man on the planet and I still believe that. ImPureAwesome posted:Man, the life you lead sounds super dangerous and straight from a movie. That story about you and D and betting against big mobsters is ridiculous. Has anyone you know ever been killed or severely injured over a game of pool? There is a guy who plays in the pool leagues around town that was gambling with some random group of guys and they ended up jumping him later in the night and paralyzed him from the waist down. He plays while still in a wheel chair and he is a really good shot too. I don't know him personally I just have heard the stories from various people around here. He has this bridge that he sets on the table every time he shoots to help him reach the cueball it's pretty amazing to watch him shoot.
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dpush posted:What would be a good next step for improving my game? Learning when and how to use english is your next step. If you feel comfortable making any shot on the table without putting english on it then you once you learn english the it becomes so much easier to control will the cueball will go after contact. Bishop posted:Also I broke the tip off of my lovely cue and need a new one. Any brand advice? I don't want to spend more than 100. In my opinion Cuetec makes some of the best quality made cues and everyone I know who has one has no complaints about it. Grifter posted:Let's say I'm in a big pool hall. There are 100 people in there. How many are hustlers, how many are random pool hall guys who will drop some money on the table, and how many are just folks playing pool who don't want to involve money? I'm kind of curious how many sharks, fish and minnows are in your average sea. I would say if there is a pool hall with 100 people in it at any given time about %70 of those people would be gamblers. They might not all be hustlers but they will gamble on pool. Most of the poolrooms I go to there are not that many people in them. Maybe 15 at the most until there is some action and then the hustlers show up. Story time. I play a lot of poker in the area and over the years I have become friends with quite a few degenerate poker players in the area. They all know about me and pool but most of them have never seen me shoot. We all decided to go out drinking Friday at this place called Fox and Hound. They have a huge selection of pool tables and that's where local tourneys are played most of the time. I know all the waitresses and I'm pretty friendly with the staff and they have helped me a few times when I was gambling. Letting me know people looking to shoot for money or thing like that. I get there early to shoot a few matches before anyone shows up to get some practice. These guys are degenerates and will bet on anything so I knew I could make some money off of someone. After a few hours of everyone showing up and drinking this young kid named Tom showed up. I know who he is but he has no clue who I am. He is just a young 21 year old kid with a huge ego. He won 10k online in poker and blew most of it up his nose before his parents got a hold of him and locked his bank account and sent him to rehab. That was when he was 16. Everyone has been talking about him a lot because he is the knew guy at games and semms to drop a lot of money at games. I am pretty drunk and I have gambled with a few other people and made about $60 for the night. I have had the table all night and no one can beat me which most people already know that they wont be able to we just like having a good time. Tom starts talking poo poo about how he can beat anyone and he goes as far as to say he will challenge anyone in here to a game of pool. I step right up and tell him name the stakes, game and how many games and lets do this. He seems sort of surprised that someone stepped up so quickly. He says lets play 8 ball, race to 5 for $100. I noticed that the whole time he is there he has been hitting on our waitress Kat. I know Kat and I know her boyfriend so he has no shot with her but of course he doesn't know this. He is just trying to look like a big shot and I am going to use this to my advantage. My girlfriend and my friends wife are on the table so we are waiting until they are done before we can shoot our match. Kat comes over to the table and he starts telling her to stick around and watch him take my money. Kat says to him with this deadpan expression "are sure your talking about this guy?". He still has no clue what he is getting into and his ego is growing. I tell him to make it a race for $500 since he is so confident. Kat goes right along with it and starts stroking his ego telling him that he can beat me and stuff like that. He says fine goes to the atm takes some money out and now we are playing a race to 5 for $500. I win the first 2 without breaking a sweat and offer him a chance to buy out now for $200 and he declines. I let him win the 3rd and he lets out this huge yell after he beats me. Not really knowing that I let him win the 3rd by giving him ball in hand. I beat him the 4th match and give him one more opportunity to buy out of the bet now for $300 and it will be my last offer. He says no and racks them up and I hit the 8 on the break but the cueball scratches giving him the win. It's now 3-2 and he starts talking poo poo about how he is coming back and I have no shot and I am cracking under the pressure. I ask him if he wants to up the stakes and make it for $1000. He says no because I already have the lead and its not fair. I tell him that he is not going to win another game so it won't matter anyway. He says he will make it $1000 if he only has to win 1 more game and I have to win 3. I say no problem lets do it. He doesn't have the money on him but he borrows it from a couple of the guys we are partying with and now its basically a 3-1 race. I have to win 3 games before he wins 1. I beat him 3-0 with ease and collect my winnings. All the people that we are with are giving him poo poo now because he got hustled and he had no clue. Kat got a nice $100 tip from me for helping me hustle him and she didn't even expect anything for it. If it wasn't for her I probably wouldn't have got that much money out of him. He came up to me as we were leaving the bar that night and told me he learned a valuable lesson. I would normally believe someone when they say that except I saw him at a poker game Saturday night and he was telling everyone that he was going to take all their money from them at the tables. He didn't last an hour before he lost $600 and was broke. Some people never learn.
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SaucyPants posted:Just curious how often in a race like that you might accidentally pocket the cueball on the eight and give the guy the win? I could not even begin to tell you how many times I have lost because I scratched on the break after I made the 8. That shot that you do is not a guarantee its just a high percentage shot. You never really know where the cue ball is going to go after you try it either because all the balls are moving on the table at once. There are times that I scratch on the 8 ball not on the break but during a match to give a guy a win. Especially if he is getting frustrated and there is potential for him to leave. You have to let the guy win a little before going in for the kill or he could bail really quickly and you could not make much money. That book sounds interesting and I will check it out. I still need to watch the twilight zone episode talked about earlier in the thread. I just don't get a lot of time to watch tv. Edit: Whoops going postal is a book not a movie. I fixed that. jase1 fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 16, 2012 |
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muskrat posted:Do you always go for the 8-ball break? I think I understand how the break works, but it seems like you're at higher risk for scratching on the break. I always go for the 8 on the break unless I am in a situation where it is the last game for a lot of money. Then I play it safe. The only honest answer I can give to your second question is it's an ego thing. I like to do it, it makes people notice me, sometimes people cheer or get really excited when it happens. It also can help put me in the zone which helps my confidence. There have been times when I played someone who I wasn't sure I could win. I hit the 8 on the break and it just skyrockets my confidence which in turn helps me win. It is also a huge blow to my opponents ego. Winning a game that quickly can really screw with your opponents head and cost him the match. My girlfriend plays in league pool and it was one of the first things I taught her was the 8 on the break. She is a 4 in the APA and until she met me she never played pool. Men in pool HATE losing to women. If a girl gets a lead on a really good player I watch them self destruct all the time just because they are embarrassed to lose to a woman. So one of the places her team has to shoot is this really lovely strip club. The table is in the back right by the dressing rooms for the dancers so its really hard to concentrate with strippers running in and out of the dressing rooms passing right by the tables. She has to play the team captain who is Mr. Macho I know all the strippers type guy and I know right away if she beats him 1 game or frustrates him he will be done. He was playing with her a little bit missing some shots on purpose and just goofing around instead of taking her serious. He wins the first game but then he scratches on the 8 the second game. She goes for the 8 on the break and nails it. I watch his face turn from mr cool calm collected guy to basically scared shitless because he might get beat. Now he is nervous and frustrated which in turn hurts his game and my girlfriend gets the win. I remember watching him sitting back down on the bar stool in just disbelief that he lost. I thought he was actually going to puke for a few minutes. I was talking to a couple of the other people on his team and they told me he had never lost to a woman before and he almost just left because he was so embarrassed.
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You could ask 100 pool players this same question about what type of english to put on the ball when breaking straight ahead and it would probably be 50/50. Some say bottom english is the safest way to play it some say top. When I break straight ahead I put top english on it and this is why. When the balls break the 8 usually stays relatively close to the break out area. If you put top english on it sometimes the cue ball will spin right into the 8 and make it in the back corner pocket. It does not happen a lot but it gets that 8ball moving on the break which is always a good thing. I told a story about hustling this young kid named Tom DV earlier and he is now trying to get some of his friends to play me. He is convinced I am not that good and telling people he is going to hustle me. What he doesn't know is the people he is telling these things to are letting me in on everything. He doesn't seem to be smart. I ran into him last night and we decided to make a prop bet and I ran the oldest hustle in the book on him. The prop bet goes like this. He gets 4 chances to play me in pool anytime before the kickoff of the NFL this year which is in September. He can show up anywhere I am that has a pool table and challenge me and I have to play him. I get to break every time and as soon as it is his turn he can take 3 balls of his off the table. We are going to play a total of 4 games he only has to win 1. He chooses the time and place of the first 3 and if he doesn't beat me I choose the time and place of the last game. The hustle is basically this, by taking 3 balls of the table it opens it up for me and makes it easier to make my balls. He for some reason doesn't understand this but I am not complaining he seems to like losing money. The winner gets $500.
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Jefepato posted:Wow. I'm starting to see why the thread title calls these folks "dummies." This guy is going to just pour money into your pocket, isn't he. It was the whole reason I named this thread. I consider most of the people I gamble with dumb. There is a reason this strange guy is trying to gamble with you on pool. It amazes me that people still don't get it. I mean if some guy came up to me and wanted to gamble in golf or basketball I would right away be questioning it but that might be because I grew up around this type of stuff and I know a lot of the tricks.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Great thread! I feel like I am always improving my game. Where I am at skill wise the only thing I practice regularly is making really difficult shots with english on them and putting the cueball in the place I want it. Last Friday night I had a couple of tough shots where I had to go 3 rails to hit my ball and I missed a couple of them. So the past few days I have been setting up that exact shot and putting different types of english on it to watch the path of the ball and learning what I can do to make that shot easier. If I wanted to drastically improve my game to the pro level I would not have a life. I would have to quit my job and shoot pool for 10 hours a day and that is just something I have no interest in doing. In order to become a pro you have to play in these open type pool tournaments. Players get grades like an A or a B. You win those and then just keep moving on to the next step until you win and decide to go pro or you get invites into big time professional tourneys. I could walk into a bar and probably beat %80 of the people in there. A pro can walk into any bar in the state and beat %100 percent of the people. I have played a couple of pros in practice games or just sitting around drinking and shooting and they always just destroy me. Pool is their life they live, eat, breath pool. I enjoy doing other things, especially gambling on other things if I was to get serious I would have to give up a lot including a really good job that most likely the owner will be selling to me in 10 to 15 years. I love hustling and will do it until I can't shoot pool anymore but at the same time I want to own a successful company and it's been one of my long time goals in life. As far as making a video I will see if I have a friend that could help me with that. I am not really computer savy and I don't own a camera except the one on my phone. I would have no clue how to put on here or on youtube. I will talk to a couple of friends and see if they can help me with that and maybe I could post something. Arrhythmia posted:What do you think is the most money you've ever made on a single game of pool? Is there a good story behind it? What about the most you've ever lost? And your over-all proudest moment in your pool-playing history, what would you say that is? I talked earlier in the thread about the most money I ever won in a match was 10k and that was a race to 10 for 10k. No interesting story there that I remember. If we are talking about the most I ever lost in just one game of pool then it would be for 2k. It was at this tourney called the Derby City Classic. Lots of gambling and I went with my Uncles and a few guys from the area mostly to watch some big money matches. I can't remember the exact timeframe but I was 24 or 25 at the time and it was the year I made the most money off of gambling in my life. I won a nice poker tourney in vegas for 6k and I was killing it at the sports book too. My confidence was sky high and while we were at the hotel bar this guy was bragging to these women that he was the best player in the bar. I watched him shoot a couple of money matches earlier and felt like I could beat him. I approached him the bar about shooting for money and he said I didn't have enough. I asked him how much would be enough and he said he wanted to shoot for 2k a game. At the time I only had about 5k on me so that was a really big portion of my bankroll but as I said my confidence was sky high and of course with my ego I couldn't resist. I told him I would shoot him just 1 game for 2k only if I could break and he agreed. I broke and hit 3 balls in and played a beautiful safe to leave his cueball on the rail behind the 8 ball. He had to hit 3 rails just to make a good hit and not only did he make a good hit he made the ball. He ran out and I lost 2k just like that. My ego did me in once again. My proudest moment as a pool player was beating and surpassing my Uncle Mike as a pool player. My family has a really weird way of showing support especially my Uncle Mike. As long as I can remember he has been pushing me to be a better pool player. I remember one time I was 19 and I beat this older guy for a couple hundred bucks. I was really proud of myself and when I went over to him to talk about it he basically just told me the whole time how I played horribly and didn't deserve to win. I remember being pissed and saying to myself one day I will be able to kick his rear end in pool and I'm gonna rub it in. So a few years later it's Christmas and we are shooting pool at my Uncle Franks house in the basement. Mike starts talking poo poo about how I will never be as good as him and I just couldn't take it anymore so I challenged him. He makes the rules and if he wants lets gamble for it. We decide not to gamble but we played a race to 5. I beat him 5-3 and it was the first time I beat him straight up without any weight in my favor. I was in shock that I beat him and he was really pissed about to. After that he hasn't beat me straight up yet. I always have to give him weight and he hates that. That to me is my favorite accomplishment he is considered an amazing pool player and to be able to be considered better then him is a really big deal to me. I only wish I could shoot as good as my uncle frank but no matter what I do he just always kicks my rear end.
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TheRagamuffin posted:Is the pool table itself ever in bad enough shape that it affects your game? What are the worst things you've seen done to tables (scuffed/scored surface, legs different lengths, noticeable tilt, etc)? No matter what shape the table is in give me 5-10 minutes on it and I will figure out every little thing wrong with it and use it to my advantage against my opponent. The worst table I have ever played on was in this little dive bar on the eastside of Cleveland where the felt had actual pieces missing and it was right by a broken down ice machine that had puddles of water touching exposed wires. No one seemed to care either I remember specifically keeping my cueball away from that side of table so I wouldn't get electrocuted. There are a lot of tables that have a drift on them and I love those tables, especially when my opponent doesn't know that it drifts. Meatloaf Baby posted:Great thread! 2 weeks was the longest and that was because I was on a cruise and didn't see a any tables at the islands we stopped at. There are sometimes I do just get bored and want to stop playing but when I wake up in the morning the way my place is setup I have to walk right past my table so I get the itch again. I guess you could say I am addicted to it. Arrhythmia posted:Also, could you describe what the perfect pool table would be like? I remember when my friend first got his pool table, he had to get the rails replaced because they weren't springy enough or too springy or something, and I can't recall noticing a difference between the old and the new table. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ptHZaedvA or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9REPbjrrus On a serious note I like shooting on a table that is worn in a little bit. I don't like brand new tables because the cue ball usually moves really fast and it can be hard to adjust. When the felt and rails are worn in for about 5 years its perfect. Doctor Malaver posted:So putting spin on a ball is called 'english'. Is that local slang or is it a proper term used throughout the US? I wonder how the English call it. I was trying to find the orgin of the term english in pool and this is all I could come up with. It was one of the first results on google when I asked the question. I don't know if this is true or not but it seems like it could be true. "According to the Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards (one of the top authoritative sources in the industry), the origin of the the term english to refer to sidespin is unknown. Apparently the most common theory is that during the 1800s Englishmen either visiting or or who had emigrated to America, may have introduced sidespin and their nation of origin was applied to the technique."
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