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unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
I've applied at Writer's Acces and Textbroker. I've read that WA has a second application round, is that accurate?

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unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Yeah, I took it today. I hosed up on the "remove words that don't really need to be there" part and only got a 31/44.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
How many industries do you all have on your profile?

Also, I started on textbroker yesterday. This is a great job for someone who likes to read about industrial machinery that they don't really understand but think are neat.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Nighthand posted:

Given how dry Textbroker has been recently I'm hurrying to write up profile blurbs to get that poo poo submitted. Too bad they say 7-10 business days for the star rating. On the plus side, I got 32 on the writing test, with only a couple of actual mistakes (most incorrects were from things I legitimately had never heard of before, like wtf SEO silo method.)

Should I fill out as many industry blurbs as possible now, or fill out my best half-dozen or so and the rest later?

Have you heard back from Writer Access yet? Textbroker is cool and all (I even got a 5 star rating on an article in which I was able to interject how you shouldn't wear fedoras) but the pay is kind of a suck - but it's better then workin' day labor and I don't have to put pants on.

Do client ratings play in Text Broker's rating system? I haven't had any rated by TB yet, but I'm stacking up the 5 star client reviews.

unbuttonedclone fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Aug 16, 2013

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
I've convinced myself that what I'm doing now (on TB) is very badly paid training. It's conditioning me how to write certain things certain ways, and I'm getting to apply the things I've learned in ways I haven't done before. So far, so good.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Nighthand posted:

I got into Zerys but apparently shot myself in the foot with a 3-star sample. The job board is completely barren. I'll keep an eye on it and see if I can get a couple things to move up to 4 or 5, but I'm not holding on to a lot of hope right now. It looks like the kind of site where, once you're established, you get work rolling in. The problem being there's not much posted openly so it's hard to get the initial contacts going. At least the prices on the recently-written assignments list are mostly reasonable.

Still have to hear back from Writer Access.

EDIT to avoid triple posting. Today there were a handful of assignments on the Zerys job board, so I claimed and wrote a simple 200 word blurb. Within an hour it was accepted and my rating has been bumped to 4 stars. So it really is super easy to get bumped up.

I was going to say this, but you already did in the edit. I too got 3 stars, but found a message on the message board that says it's pretty easy to get bumped up. I picked one of the 3 star projects and banged out for .7 cents a word, the client is happy and says he'll give me five stars once it goes though the process. How's the four star job boards?

And I asked WA how long it takes, they said they're backed up and it could take 10-15 days.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
I dick around on the internet more than work, so I barely make any money. Zerys doesn't seem that great, a lot of the jobs for 4 stars are 1.4 cents or .7 cents, which is less than Textbroker. And, it seems the clients take forever to approve things. Maybe I'll hear back from WritersAccess in a couple months. They like advertising their positions on Facebook, but don't seem to be able to approve anyone.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Weird, I've written 25 articles for TB and haven't got a non-customer review yet.

Yeah, "the Internet" is AP style.

And, still haven't heard anything from WA.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Von Sloneker posted:

Oh joy. Every writer's dream. Well, despite all the vagaries of this weird industry, I'm glad I found this thread and that there are people willing to share their experiences. Getting paid actual money for writing Flash game instructions while sprawled on the couch is cool if somewhat surreal.

I sent this guy into a mental breakdown when I was telling people about my education and using Facebook for marketing.

Unable to process the concept that this happens, I saw him hunched over clenching at his face and hair mumbling "people. get. paid. facebook. arrrrgghhh."

What rates do ya'll set on oDesk/etc.? I'd like to do some work that isn't SEO internet filler. I have an integrated marketing communication degree (hurrrr), a couple years working at a non-profit doing everything related to marketing and have plenty of adobe experience. I'm thinking around $30/hour. Are clients there into that or do they go for the $2/hour dude in the Phillipines?

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Still waiting for my approval on WA... back to HVAC on Zerys and whatever goofy stuff comes up on TB.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
It's just internet filler SEO crap. You can write about anything, just shoe-horn the keywords in in a kind of comprehensible fashion.

And no, you won't get more instructions unless you ask—and don't expect to get a reply from many clients.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Nighthand posted:

One of their reviews here: http://www.indeed.com/cmp/2blue-Media-Group/reviews complains about not being paid. I'm not seeing much other information about them. If anyone decides to give them a shot, report back.

On that note, I should go add Zerys and Writer Access to the OP. While I'm at it is there anything I should add or remove from the first post?

You might add how long it takes to start working for each company. TB took a few days. Zerys a week. WA is at like 3 or 4 weeks for me.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Kilo India posted:


Maybe I should go on eLance, order 20 articles for $40 and then upload them all to Constant Content after some editing...

I think it's a good idea. I like to clean up ideas more than come up with them.

I see some tech companies, ad agencies and the like come up with promotional/educational material they sell for $99-$100's of dollars a pop.

Totes got 5 stars from the HVAC person on Z-rys. We will see what the other 5 I hastily did come in as.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
I see Zerys doesn't have a mandatory one-revision request—the client can just reject, even if what they actually wanted wasn't included in the instructions. At least I'm almost to 5 stars (what's that get me?), and I was accepted on WA after hassling them again... at 3 stars, boo.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

kazmeyer posted:

My opinion of WA is improving. I went for like two weeks with absolutely nothing to show for it, but there's gradually more 2- and 3-star stuff showing up, and I'm led to believe it's not actually that hard to move up. While a lot of the stuff offered at this level is ridiculous (hey, pitch an idea and write a full length article for under five bucks and we'd really love it if you include a video as well) there's some quick and easy stuff that shows up occasionally that hopefully we can use to leverage a better rating. :)

What about all these product descriptions for like 2 cents a word? Does the person not rate them after completion?

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Hurrrr... what are some other ways of saying a car "gets" a certain mpg? I'm tired of writing it because it sounds terrible.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Sara T. Biggun posted:

Decided to check out CloudCrowd. They want my SSN. That makes me uncomfortable.

Does anyone know how legit that place is? Is anyone doing work there?

People paying you usually want your SSN for taxes.

I looked into it, it seemed really.. bleh. Isn't that the place where other writers edit your work, and if something is wrong they get half the pay?

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Isn't about time for Kilo India to tell us how many tens of thousands of dollars he/she made this month writing?

I'm interested in how the buy content and sell it for more on Constant Content worked out.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Zerys is working fine for me this week, hopefully I can get to 4.5 stars and get 5 star work. I'm at 4.25 or so now. I've been doing $12 350 word HVAC articles—which they give you all the research for and a lot of them are the same. They really like bulleted lists and tying the article in geographically.

And, I've also been turning car company web pages into reviews(easy) or comparisons(a little harder since you have to dig through the car sites to find the right models to compare and look at long lists of features.) 600 words for $21.

I guess I was lucky in that my first article bumped me from a 3 to a 4—but in general, follow the directions and hit the max word count and no one minds the amount of em dashes I use (protip: alt-0151, double hyphens make me mad.)

I was a little pissed when I wrote a "write about anything related to this keyword article" and wrote about DIY screen printing—the client said "this is good writing, but it's a screen printing business. They don't want people to do it themselves." Thanks, you could've told me that before my pretend $13 disappeared.

The little apartment blogs are easy too, they don't pay well but the client gives out 5 stars often—which is worth more than the pay.

I'm level 3 at WA, and it sucks. I've done 3 articles, one (from the client that encourages fluffy language) was rated Exceeds expectations. Unfortunately I didn't get in on the porno casting calls and moving up in their star ratings is a mystery.

And Textbroker. I've yet to get on any teams that actually have work, and I can't motivate myself to do the terrible open order pool orders. Let's take a look. The newest teams are: technical medical articles for 1.56 cents a word and technical legal writing for 2.10 cents a word. What. The. gently caress.

If I had the tenacity of Kilo India, I'd be making tolerable (but not real) money.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

TheRamblingSoul posted:

Yeah, I get a really bad vibe from the Open Order pool and Teams on Textbroker, hence why I'm trying to use Writers Access and Zerys now. Textbroker feels really inaccessible and hard to get into, especially at the 3-star level. It just seems impossible to increase in rank in any meaningful way once you're ranked at 3 stars, Writers Access seems a lot more lenient and accessible by comparison (eg increase rank by being more involved on the website and communicating often with clients). I know there's a list in the OP, but are there other sites you all would recommend pursuing next?

Also, how long does it typically take for WA to get back to new applicants after they submitted their application and writing sample? I did mine as a "romance copy" product description for a Star Wars tea infuser and that was actually pretty fun.

Took me like a month to get approved on WA. I guess I need to get past the need to send superfluous emails to clients if I want to get ahead on WA. Kind of funny my first client on Zerys sent me a page of raves and criticism, but I never replied to him because gently caress you .7 cents a word—I'm not gonna be your friend for that.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

TheRamblingSoul posted:

Is there another thread for publishing/selling erotica online? The second thread linked in the OP is closed.

I think those discussions were chased over to goonreads.com.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Have you filled out your categories? The HVAC people switched to only showing for people who have Home & Garden selected. The autos might be that way as well. I have 90 jobs in the 2-3.5 cent column.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

The March Hare posted:

Been out of the game for a while, but if I need to make a couple grand over 2.5 months working nights/weekends -- is there a place that is consensus 'best' for that? I'm mostly interested in writing and I'd need to be accepted and working fairly rapidly, so anywhere that will hold my application in limbo forever is out.

Textbroker accepts fast, but that'd be tedious work. You can also do constant contact if you have some good ideas, they send out what's most in demand a couple times a week.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Sara T. Biggun posted:

Marvelous. I've selected a million Home & Garden sub-categories.
I've also selected a million Entertainment sub-categories, and I hope that plays out, because I can write Hollywood, music, celebrity, pop culture bullshit all the live long day.

Kilo India, please come to the thread and tell me about Words of Worth. :haw:

I've never seen anything in the entertainment categories, so I dropped them once the HVAC person switched to only Home and Garden people. Automobiles has decent work as well, there's a guy who posts reviews and comparisons that usually make it to the $21/600 words level. Although, since work has been slow people have been grabbing them at cheaper rates. They're super easy, the comparisons less so, but it's basically turning car mfg. websites into copy. The HVAC articles are easy, just follow directions and make something in it a bulleted or numbered list and hit the max word count—they like that. And, they generally post the same content, just with different titles for different clients—making them easy once you've done the same thing five different times (don't make them too similiar though, I've heard of rejections.)

unbuttonedclone fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Dec 10, 2013

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Home and garden, autos, business, education.

It also depends what your rating is.

Goddamn people stop taking the auto articles. Since there is little work, people take these articles that will eventually go up to $21/article when they're at the $8/article level.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Nighthand posted:

Technology, Business & Finance, and for the first time I've seen, today there are assignments in Style & Fashion

And yeah, seriously, too many people are doing this work at .7 or 1.4 cents a word. Those of us with higher standards are getting screwed by it.

Yep, the customer is going to say "oh, people will do them cheap, I'll turn off the feature that bumps it up to higher levels when no one completes them."

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Holy poo poo, Zerys feels like getting work is half being able to write, and half being psychic and knowing what categories the jobs are listed under. There's like nothing on there right now, even with the suggestions for categories in the threads.

What star level are you?

Grr.. the HVAC client just said they want links in the same window, instead of new. But they phrased it like I should've already known, even though they haven't changed their instructions.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Yeah, 4.5 + sees 5 star stuff.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Only 3. My WriterAccess profile got approved at 3 as well, but I also got an automatic Industry Elite approval on something, so, yay?

You're not going to see much at 3. When you do, grab it and do the most amazing super job you can on it and hopefully get a 5, then you can see 4 stuff.

I'm 3 at WA and it sucks, I barely even log in anymore. Have you tried Textbroker?

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
They probably opened a branch in the Phillipines, or their clients didn't like the price hike.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Anyone have experience with flexjobs.com? Someone mentioned it on IRC, and I encouraged them to share in the thread, but I think they're pretty busy at the moment. Looks like there are telecommuting jobs with regular hours and stuff.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
There's a ton of 3 star stuff right now for those who need it. It's like 124 articles about vidja games.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
I'd think it'd be easier to throw stuff up on Constant Content, at least the reward is more if someone bites.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Pikestaff posted:

So I submitted my first five articles to Textbroker and got the popup saying that my account is on hold until they rate them. How long does that usually take? The full two weeks like they said? :sigh:

In other news I'm still having horrid luck with Zerys. I've managed to get one article in and the guy hasn't approved it although it's been three days. This means I'm still seeing zero jobs (in contrast to my fiance who is seeing dozens of them.) I guess this whole content mill thing takes a little while to break into.

EDIT: Just applied for Constant Content so now I'm waiting for them to get back to me too. This waiting game sucks.

What level are you on Zerys? That makes a huge difference. If you're not level 4 you likely won't see much.

And Zerys articles can take weeks to be approved, that's just how they work.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
So Ginger is free for only limited times a week. Is there an open source or free equivalent to it or Grammarly?

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
FYI: There's like 800 3 star blog posts on Textbroker right now for anyone who needs it.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Astro7x posted:

Apparently Writers Domain took a large chunk of about 3,000 400 word articles and outsourced them to Text Broker and Writers Access. I can't confirm personally, but the article count went down instantly the other day and those same keywords are now appearing on those sites.

This was on their Facebook page today

So they outsourced these $20 articles to Textbroker for $4.25 a piece? I'm assuming they're the hundreds of three-star articles now available on TB.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008

Mister Adequate posted:

"Fluff that to be removed completely." He had highlighted my entire introductory paragraph. If I took that out there would be no introduction of any sort. I could have made it leaner I'm sure, but if I don't have an introduction it's going to be a bad article
"I was hoping for an article as the title states "how to develop ideas". This article is written what to do with an idea which is not the point of topic."
"I am not sure if this article is worth trying to save or if it should be completely re-written to the specific topic. As stated in the notes I want an article that explains "how to develop online business ideas" and not what to do with an idea." I had written about... how to develop your idea. Look at competitors, research the field, look at target demographics to see if there will be enough customers for it to be viable, that sort of thing.

Well I guess it's not really rude in retrospect :v: but the complete absence of even "Hi Mr Adequate" or a "Thanks" anywhere coupled with the fact that (at least as far as I can see) I did exactly what he asked for, wound me up. I guess maybe what he actually wanted was how to come up with an idea in the first place? Rather than "developing" an idea, which to me would mean taking what you've got in mind and, well, developing it. If he'd just explained as much I'd have happily redone the article, but if he's going to give unclear instructions and then get snippy with me about it, gently caress that noise.

Whatever, I need to get over it rather than pissing and moaning. Just wanted to vent!

I must be odd in that I don't appreciate a bunch of niceties and fluff from clients. Just tell me what you fuckin' want.

HVAC clients have become more lenient and approving stuff faster lately on Zerys. Almost to 4.5 oh my gosh.

unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
I gotta writer's domain invite today—and I only put myself on the waiting list a month or less ago.

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unbuttonedclone
Dec 30, 2008
Got in on WD.

First article was a failure. I understand they use canned responses, but it feels like I'm talking to a robot with no understanding of the industry the keyword related to—especially after asking for clarification from support.

(yes I spent hours reading their forums and blogs before attempting an article.)

But, once the work on Zerys dies down, I'll try again.

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