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Jun 11, 2014 03:29
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Shulk being able to talk let you have good interplay with the other party members and flesh out those relationships (and Xenoblade was all about relationships), plus battle shouts and whatnot both as you control Shulk or make him not your main. You'll lose a good deal of plot, worldbuilding, and battle awareness without that stuff; keeping a silent protagonist will be a challenge so hopefully that's not their plan at all.
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Jun 11, 2014 03:31
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A large part of what made Shulk great for me was his great relationship with his best bro, Reyn. Even with a cool neo-Reyn character in X, it still wouldn't have as much impact if he was interacting with <CREATE-A-CHARACTER>.
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I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the game is all about, what with Machina and Nopon being shown in the trailer and... the United States colony of Neo Los Angeles appearing in the gameplay.Zero_Tactility posted:A large part of what made Shulk great for me was his great relationship with his best bro, Reyn. Even with a cool neo-Reyn character in X, it still wouldn't have as much impact if he was interacting with <CREATE-A-CHARACTER>. Chaltab fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Jun 11, 2014 03:36
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They created a new universe at the end of the last game, so maybe it was our universe that gets created and now we've crash landed on the Xenoblade world and Yeah I don't know.
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Jun 11, 2014 03:37
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Zero_Tactility posted:A large part of what made Shulk great for me was his great relationship with his best bro, Reyn. Even with a cool neo-Reyn character in X, it still wouldn't have as much impact if he was interacting with <CREATE-A-CHARACTER>. No lie, before I posted what I did, I was gonna just put "This means you can't have another bro like Reyn." Will it truly never again be Reyn Time? Unless you use the character creator to become Reyn, of course.
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Chaltab posted:I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the game is all about, what with Machina and Nopon being shown in the trailer and... the United States colony of Neo Los Angeles appearing in the gameplay. Just because he comes in without relationships doesn't mean he couldn't form them as the game went on. It is entirely possible that he could have become best buds with someone. Well, if he wasn't a mute. Appearance select is fine, but voice select in an extensively voiced game is death for characterization. The gameplay looks great, but xenoblade was all about the setting and relationships. I'm reserving judgement on the setting, but I hope that the rest of the cast picks up the slack for the blank slate.
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Jun 11, 2014 04:57
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Mass Effect ran on having a custom protagonist as did Saint's Row, there was loads of weird alien sex either way. I do not see having a custom protagonist being an issue.
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Jun 11, 2014 05:01
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I would like the ability to switch characters during combat, please. I feel like the strategy of Xenoblade is somewhat limited by this.
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Jun 11, 2014 05:04
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The Taint Reaper posted:Mass Effect ran on having a custom protagonist as did Saint's Row, there was loads of weird alien sex either way. Problem is that all evidence points to the custom protagonist being Mutey McWooden
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Jun 11, 2014 05:04
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Captain Oblivious posted:Problem is that all evidence points to the custom protagonist being Mutey McWooden With all the money they've sunk into it, they can't spend a little bit more to hire two VA's to say things? *edit* Someone beat me to the persona thing.
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Jun 11, 2014 05:16
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BlondRobin posted:I think it's a real shame that they've chosen to make the protagonist mute and silent. It is, as everyone knows, *actually* impossible to make a silent protagonist have any relationships with other characters except the most shallow and facile; in fact, literally every game with a silent protagonist in recent history (since we grew past the bad old days of JRPGs) has done pretty poorly, with poor reception. Plus, there's no way to give such a character characterization. There's no way for them to pull this off- if that's really what they're going for, then it means that another promising series of games from Japan (a rare commodity these days) is probably going to end up falling apart. He was still a blank slate mute. Any characterization came from the anime. Silent protagonists are not good, popularity does not equal quality. I mean gently caress, you are saying that sales make for a good game in a xenoblade thread.
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Jun 11, 2014 05:20
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Serious Frolicking posted:He was still a blank slate mute. Any characterization came from the anime. Silent protagonists are not good, popularity does not equal quality. I mean gently caress, you are saying that sales make for a good game in a xenoblade thread. You get to pick the guy's answer and it's usually pretty funny in game.
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Jun 11, 2014 05:24
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I actually prefer my character to be silent in some games because then I don't have to worry about something completely out of character or something extremely stupid coming out of my character's mouth. Star Wars: The Old Republic is a fantastic example of this.
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I guess if they do a couple different voice sets it could work, but that's a lot of "spare" dialog to record.
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BlondRobin posted:I think it's a real shame that they've chosen to make the protagonist mute and silent. It is, as everyone knows, *actually* impossible to make a silent protagonist have any relationships with other characters except the most shallow and facile; in fact, literally every game with a silent protagonist in recent history (since we grew past the bad old days of JRPGs) has done pretty poorly, with poor reception. Plus, there's no way to give such a character characterization. There's no way for them to pull this off- if that's really what they're going for, then it means that another promising series of games from Japan (a rare commodity these days) is probably going to end up falling apart. So it'll be a good game after Giant Bomb plays it in 4 years?
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Jun 11, 2014 05:45
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I've been playing through this game recently, oddly enough. I just arrived at Colony 6 and entered the mines there. I'm level 28 and everything else is level 20.  Game is incredible though - best JRPG I've played since...hrm, Final Fantasy X?
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Jun 11, 2014 05:48
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Kirios posted:I've been playing through this game recently, oddly enough. I just arrived at Colony 6 and entered the mines there. I'm level 28 and everything else is level 20. This is the unfortunate downside to doing every sidequest you can. The EXP rewards get you overleveled to the point where the enemies don't pose a threat, and as a result you also get crappy AP and SP rewards in battle.
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Jun 11, 2014 05:53
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I noticed that, but I actually really like doing the side quests in this game.
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Jun 11, 2014 05:55
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Look at all this goony hate of Xenosaga. I played Xenoblade because of Xenosaga. Also I tried playing xenogears but never got very far...
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Jun 11, 2014 06:00
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Kirios posted:I've been playing through this game recently, oddly enough. I just arrived at Colony 6 and entered the mines there. I'm level 28 and everything else is level 20. How on earth did you manage that? The game rubber-bands its experience curve pretty heavily; it's quite difficult to get any massive difference in character levels between different party members (not counting new game+ early-game Fiora).
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Look at all this goony hate of Xenosaga. I played Xenoblade because of Xenosaga. Don't think you're gonna find much support white knighting Xenosaga, of all things
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Kirios posted:I noticed that, but I actually really like doing the side quests in this game. Goddamn you're in for a treat. Honestly though: stop reading this thread. Spoiler central with us discussing the sequel.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Look at all this goony hate of Xenosaga. I played Xenoblade because of Xenosaga. Xenogears is very good and ridiculously ambitious, which unfortunately makes the second half suffer after their budget (reportedly) got cut for Final Fantasy 8.
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They get Reyn's VA for the male option and Melia's VA for the female option and that's all they need. And Riki's VA as an option for both.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Don't think you're gonna find much support white knighting Xenosaga, of all things Basically I'm X3>X1>X2, x2 was stupid, the story was stupid, the sidequests are stupid. X3 was awesome and XC was basically a dream but... Honestly, I don't really mind ~the anime~ as much as some of you seem to. It's a game out of Japan, it's going to have some level of anime.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Honestly, I don't really mind ~the anime~ as much as some of you seem to. It's a game out of Japan, it's going to have some level of anime. A lot of us are on the same page, Xenoblade was just a breath of fresh air after so many JRPGs that were anime first.
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Silent protagonists are, in fact, not necessarily good OR bad, and they work in many situations.
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theflyingorc posted:Silent protagonists are, in fact, not necessarily good OR bad, and they work in many situations. The Persona games all had silent protagonists and those games still managed to present their story very well. Hell, Personas 3 and 4 even had the whole social game/dating sim thing going on which made up like half of those games. Pyroxene Stigma posted:Xenogears is very good and ridiculously ambitious, which unfortunately makes the second half suffer after their budget (reportedly) got cut for Final Fantasy 8. Yeah that was a drat shame. Slapping in Disc 2 and being greeted by STORY TIME about a bunch of crazy poo poo that allegedly happened that you wished you could have actually played the game through instead of just reading about. Office Thug fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Regy Rusty posted:They created a new universe at the end of the last game, so maybe it was our universe that gets created and now we've crash landed on the Xenoblade world and Because that would own bones But I suppose it's pointless to speculate on this kind of thing right now though
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Xenogears is very good and ridiculously ambitious, which unfortunately makes the second half suffer after their budget (reportedly) got cut for Final Fantasy 8. 
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Vil posted:How on earth did you manage that? The game rubber-bands its experience curve pretty heavily; it's quite difficult to get any massive difference in character levels between different party members (not counting new game+ early-game Fiora). I do Every. Single. Side Quest.  The only ones I haven't done yet is finding three pieces of some guy's gear when he made his climb to Bionis' Head. I found one of them and I assume this takes place over the span of the first half of the game? The second one is proving that Shulk and Reyn are best buddies to a couple of girls? 
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Basically I'm X3>X1>X2, x2 was stupid, the story was stupid, the sidequests are stupid. X3 was awesome and XC was basically a dream but... Hey Xeno bro  I think people here are reeling because 1)X2 REALLY dropped the ball 2)Xenosaga wasn't for everyone 3)Xenoblade eschewed a lot of JRPG stuff that had become(unfortunately) commonplace over the years I personally will defend X1 and X3 as fun(for me, not absolute truth) games. X2 can go die in a fire. loving You-Are-TVs Captain Oblivious posted:Don't think you're gonna find much support white knighting Xenosaga, of all things Funny that you say white knight. Hopefully, this silent protag will be more important to the story than he was in White Knight Chronicles. Literally a prop.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Basically I'm X3>X1>X2, x2 was stupid, the story was stupid, the sidequests are stupid. X3 was awesome and XC was basically a dream but... X2 got off to a great start. Then about 90 seconds in they started talking and it entered a death spiral of horribleness that never gets better. Xenosaga was pretty bad but I enjoyed it for what it was, scenery chewing and ham-fisted gnosticism included. And I will forever be amused that they gave the most badass moment in the series to loving Allen.
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Zeether posted:I started playing Xenogears and it IS pretty drat good, but the fact that I know it's gonna go to pot in disc 2 because of the budget cut makes me sad on top of the half-assed localization. At least XCX has Gear-like mechs for me to shoot/punch stuff with It doesn't go to pot, not quite like that. They just planned more game than they had budget for, so you end up watching a few scenes you can tell were meant to be playable. You still have an excellent hidden area, final dungeon, and other stuff to look forward to on disc 2.
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Kirios posted:I do Every. Single. Side Quest. Yup, those two quests will take you a while to finish. I loved the sidequests for the most part, I just wish it didn't remove the challenge from most of the game. Have fun doing every sidequest in the third city.  GreenBuckanneer posted:Look at all this goony hate of Xenosaga. I played Xenoblade because of Xenosaga. Don't get me wrong, I love Xenosaga. But let's be honest here, they were not very good games. For the first game Takahashi grossly underestimated the time and money he needed in order to make the game he wanted to make, and it shows. IIRC in an interview that he said the first episode had only about 20% of the story he wanted in it (including the portions of the story that ended up in episode II). That's lovely directing, and it's no wonder he wasn't allowed to direct the sequels.
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vaguely posted:I thought the whole Alvis thing that created the Xenoblade universe was also supposed to have been caused by 'us'? Maybe it'll all turn out to be a big cycle, these guys make Alvis and then Shulk makes these guys and everything everybody ever does is completely pointless? And the plot will involve the party members pulling a Dunban and being all gently caress YOU DESTINY Do we get a neat "walk through the solar system" sequence out of it again? I'd be OK with that.
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