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It's worth pointing out that the National Front aren't a defunct group, those fascists are still active and busy losing elections http://londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/results-and-past-elections/live-results-2012?contest=32 http://londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/results-and-past-elections/live-results-2012?contest=30 http://londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/results-and-past-elections/live-results-2012?contest=33
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KELNOR THE OVERWASP posted:Matthew Collins has a very good book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hate-Life-British-Far-Right/dp/1849541256/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336482665&sr=8-1 Both Mathew Collins and Dave where early mentors of FightDemBack, with Mathew providing us with a lot of help getting connectins (Whilst he was on the run from the national front after he turned turncoat, he was in australia working with earlier anti-fascist mobs here, and had a strong relationship with the jewish community, whom later became a source of help for us) , and Dave lurking our forums and giving his insights into how things worked and the state of the UK anti fascist scene. We learned a big lesson from Dave to avoid at all costs the ideological fracturing in the UK scene by positioning ourselves as a non aligned group who worked with any party who was prepared to help out. It was only after we dropped our non partisan line after the loving torys announced they wanted to keep african refugees out, that we had to ammend that stance and identify more firmly with the traditional left. Which was unfortunate, as we had built up some very interesting alliances, including with a group of young torys who felt racists where a threat to the conservative movement who needed purging. (In fact in the 90s, young liberals in south australia [our version of college republicans/young conservative types) actually did sit ins in protest against the fascist one nation party, a lesson that reminded us that nothing is simple in anti-fascism. This could have caused us problems with the more high faluting parts of the left that wanted to go boot-boy on the nazis, but it didnt because we made it clear that we where a *resource* , rather than a protest group, and it was up to THEM to organize action, whilst we provided the intelligence. We always said we could never organize a pissup in a pub if our life depended on it, being largely a group of computer geeks, journalists and lawyers. Occasionally a few groups got snotty at us for not organizing poo poo. Our response to them was that librarians dont run laboratories. They where the marxo scientists, we're just organizing the data. But it was MAthew that reminded us that no matter what the case, if facism is to be defeated , the ONLY wa it'll happen is for a credible working-class alternative from the left that doesnt treat working class youths as ignorant second class people. duck monster fucked around with this message at 15:36 on May 8, 2012 |
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:It's worth pointing out that the National Front aren't a defunct group, those fascists are still active and busy losing elections Nice to see the greens putting up credible figures! A liberal/progressive minor party that isn't going to shank the left like the lib-dems is a nice development. The greens have been awesome in australia.
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duck monster posted:Nice to see the greens putting up credible figures! A liberal/progressive minor party that isn't going to shank the left like the lib-dems is a nice development. One of the founding members has left because they are now trying to position themselves as the new LibDems. I refer you to Joseph Healey's account here: http://www.redpepper.org.uk/why-i-resigned-from-the-green-party/
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Mr Cuddles posted:I am sure they would be much more popular as a movement if a single one of them was able to spell correctly, or write or say anything without coming across as incredibly ignorant, reactionary and hateful. Without being able to cite a source at this time, I'm pretty sure that they're funded by a millionaire.
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Fire posted:I could agree with the free speech and smoking in bars part. I'm most interested in seeing your proposed ventilation standards, in particular flow rate vs volume of a given area vs number of occupants and how you propose to handle the thorny legal issue of ensuring that nobody who's a non-smoker is ever obliged to enter the premises, especially in a day and age when you're  strongly encouraged to apply for any job you're capable of doing, or you'll lose your benefits so fast your head will spin.Also, you do realise that they're not interested in a quick cigar with the wine and cheese course, right? They want to go back their lovely 70s/80s Working Mens Clubs where the likes of Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning cut their teeth. They'd probably ban women again from them, given half a chance, too.
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I'll definitely say your partisan BS about wanting to identify with a "traditional left" shows the same ignorance as the EDL does with wanting to identify with a "traditional right." You're both a bunch of ignorant twits just looking to fight. The EDL needs its head kicked in, not trotskyist indoctrination. Cut your partisan horseshit out, don't pay politicians any mind and organize neighborhoods to shut them out and shut them up. If you look at any history of kicking nazi heads in the UK that's exactly what you see. Cut out the party politics.
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I remember reading that the BNP has a direct lineage back to the BUF. Is that true or are they an original group like how unrelated animals on different continents move into the same niche and evolve to look similar?
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Mr Cuddles posted:I am sure they would be much more popular as a movement if a single one of them was able to spell correctly, or write or say anything without coming across as incredibly ignorant, reactionary and hateful.  Chocolate Teapot posted:Without being able to cite a source at this time, I'm pretty sure that they're funded by a millionaire. Alan Lake
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Not an Anthem posted:I'll definitely say your partisan BS about wanting to identify with a "traditional left" shows the same ignorance as the EDL does with wanting to identify with a "traditional right." You're both a bunch of ignorant twits just looking to fight. The EDL needs its head kicked in, not trotskyist indoctrination. Cut your partisan horseshit out, don't pay politicians any mind and organize neighborhoods to shut them out and shut them up. If you look at any history of kicking nazi heads in the UK that's exactly what you see. Cut out the party politics. I don't get it, who are you satirising? Liberals in general?
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thehustler posted:They are scary people. I was honestly quite worried about what may happen, even with the huge police presence. People like that are very strange in the head, I would love to see a bunch of studies done on people who harbour far-right views to find out what happened to them and how they reached that point. The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer tends to get brought up a lot. http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
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duck monster posted:Nice to see the greens putting up credible figures! A liberal/progressive minor party that isn't going to shank the left like the lib-dems is a nice development. The British Greens aren't really on the same level as the Aussie Greens, Duck - sure, they're probably better than the big three these days but they're just another internal power struggle away from being more eco-friendly lib dems.
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It would have been nice if the OP used the words "English Defence League" to make the topic more accessible to foreign audiences. Reading the thread title, I could only envision that this thread was about a species of bird.  It took several posts to understand that it was about a far-right English political group. Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing! MotoMind fucked around with this message at 02:46 on May 9, 2012 |
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Spiderfist Island posted:I remember reading that the BNP has a direct lineage back to the BUF. Is that true or are they an original group like how unrelated animals on different continents move into the same niche and evolve to look similar? I dont think thats true. It has direct lineage back to the National Front of the 1960 (the BNP founder John Tyndal was a prominent member, as was Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons- they left the NF in the 80s because they didnt agree that the best way forwward was to use politics to advance the cause of Nationalism).
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MotoMind posted:It would have been nice if the OP used the words "English Defence League" to make the topic more accessible to foreign audiences. WHy would he want to do that? England for the English. No surrender!
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MotoMind posted:It would have been nice if the OP used the words "English Defence League" to make the topic more accessible to foreign audiences. Yeah... I'm beginning to regret the thread title... I was thinking last night about this thread. It's all very well me popping up every day and telling you what the EDL have done and what gigantic nobheads they are... Take this story for example, which is one of my favourite EDL stories. quote:Seventy-eight supporters of the English Defence Leage have recently filed claims for whiplash-related injuries during a coach crash. But really if you wanted that you could just subscribe to EDL News (It's a good site. Their grammar error and typo ratio is a bit high, I'm aware of the irony, thanks, and they do fire the odd blank; but their "Derek Fender Corner" is hilarious and their info is usually top-notch if not better.) But this thread is sitting in a debate-focused forum, right? Here's one thing that I've been struggling with and that I'd love to hear some other opinions on. I mentioned it in my first post, but only in passing - Here's a more in-depth argument: Should the EDL be banned? For the longest time I argued, along with this Universsity of Northampton's Radicalism and New Media Research Group's research that banning the EDL is ineffective and wrong. They have far more in-depth reasoning for this recommendation, I'm simply coming from my "everyone has the right to be a tosser in public" angle. But since then... Things happened that have changed my mind. I and many others now call for the EDL to be banned outright. (And I suspect that Tommy is aware that this could happen, hence his half-merging of the EDL into the British Freedom Party.) I'll try and be brief. I fail at this With the outright banning of MAC, the EDL are at a loose end. With no overtly extremist Muslim group to troll them into existence, the EDL spend most of the end of last year just wandering around, trying to find something to get their knickers in a twist about. Most of this involved greif tourism that served to cause more problems than it was supposed to solve. Speaking of solving stuff, what do you suppose getting pissed, standing in a car park and being abusive to brown people actually does in the context of this attack? Police were already investigating and the attack was condemned in both regional and national media and by spokespersons of all sides - including an "Asian community spokesperson" visiting Danny Stringer's family personally and pledging the communities support? Seems to me that all it did was run up a huge police bill in an area that had already seen four EDL marches. Manchester's call to have the march banned was rejected. The place is so fed up and desperate to keep the EDL away it is reaching for every straw it can think of, no matter how flimsy, to encourage them to bugger off somewhere else What got me, however, involved this recently-closed case The EDL have been involved with this case since it started. They immediately called for a "demo" outside the court. Answer me this: What are they demonstrating about? Seems to me that the fact that the court case exists proves that criminals are being rounded up. That the acts these people were commuting are not tolerated by society and that they are being dealt with in accordance with the law. Why does the case need to be protested at? And why this case, and not on of the several others that are occouring around the country? And why did the EDL think that attacking two brown people outside the courthouse was a good idea? The attack happened because the protesters assumed that the men were defendants. Because defendants in these sort of cases are often allowed to stand around outside the building having a fag break while their case is being heard. They weren't defendants, of course, they were barristers. The incident caused the case to be adjourned. Delaying the process of justice and causing more pain and anguish to the victims. (Who, by the way, were utterly ignored by EDL protesters, except when it was convenient for them to point out that they were (predominantly) white) And that's not all. Because the EDL have so much respect for British Law, they decided that they should trash a takeaway. quote:After officers dispersed the group from Market Street some youths shouted "EDL" - English Defence League - as they left, according to the Press Association. The takeaway was thought to belong to one of the defendants. It did not. It gets worse. quote:Mr Griffin [Head of the BNP] posted a comment on his Twitter account which read: ''News flash. Seven of the Muslim paedophile rapists found guilty in Liverpool.'' A common insult thrown at me and others by EDL types is that we are "pedo-supporters". Because by opposing the EDL and their protests we must be in favour of Al-loving-Qaeda. This is the quality of their political sophistication. "With us or against us". When we oppose the EDL we are supporting the right for paedophiles and child abusers to do what they do. Seems to me that it is the EDL who are being the effective "pedo Supporters". Every action they have taken since this trial started has seemed to be designed to cause the case to collapse. ... This is one example. One of the bigger and more impactful ones, but it is not alone. The EDL should be banned. They do not qualify to the right for peaceful protest, because they do neither. They are patently not peaceful and they have nothing to protest about. They do not use the right for peaceful protest to present a message, they abuse it in order to have gigantic piss-ups, and perform acts of violence, abuse and racism in a safe, police-escorted space. While simultaneously creating obscene policing bills, intimidating local people and putting financial strain on communities by damaging public property, leaving trails of vomit, beer cans, kebabs and badly-made banners lying around and forcing local businesses to loose trade. The only reason I can think of that the EDL are allowed to march is keeping to our value of free speech. I'd argue that this is not an issue of free speech, this is an issue of abuse of our system. Wow... There's a long and foamy post. But, I hope I'm fulfilling the "debate" criteria now. *signs off* [edit] *signs back on* Not content with drat near wrecking the case while it was ongoing. The BNP are "protesting" outside the court at Rochdale while sentencing is happening. HnH reports several arrests so far. 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I think this is all fascinating/disturbing, but before I clicked on it I thought maybe it had something to do with netbooks.
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Serotonin posted:I dont think thats true. It has direct lineage back to the National Front of the 1960 (the BNP founder John Tyndal was a prominent member, as was Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons- they left the NF in the 80s because they didnt agree that the best way forwward was to use politics to advance the cause of Nationalism). The BNP started in 1960 from a merger of the white defence leage, and the national labor party (not to be confused with labor!). It had a street thug arm called "Spearhead" and advocating elimination of jews, repatriation of immigrants, and a support for the nazi party. John Tyndall was key in this. From there Tyndall splintered off into the National Socialist party , and then later Tyndal decided Naziism wasn't going to win votes, so he started the "greater britain preservation society" that declared it was not so much about National Socialism but "Authoritarian nationalism", whatever the gently caress that means. From here, the British Movement formed to contest elections , and adopting an openly Nazi stance, started recruiting football hooligans as street thugs, (whom would go on to try and take over the at the time ska/reggae loving skinhead scene and turn it into a fascist scene) , and the BM became quite notorious for its acts of racist violence. There was also a Racial Preservation society around there somewhere too loosely associated with the british movement. These then all coalessed under conservative politician turned total fruitloop A K Chesterson into the National front which lasted up till the late 70s as a general nexus for neo-nazi and crypto-fascist third-positionist gibberish , taking a lot of the emerging bonehead (nazi skinhead) movement under its wing, and generally failing at elections. The BNP merged into the National front ending phase #1 of the BNP. Phase #2 was to start in the 1980s. Somewhere out of here, Blood and honor, the Anticommunist commando, The National Socialist Group and other violent psychos spun off to follow more openly heil-hitler lets-kick-the-poo poo-out-of-pakis type agendas. Erm. From there The november 9 society spun off, which later became "Britain first" and a bunch of other largely inconsequential groups, spawned up till the 1980s when John Tyndal decided to recoalese te remains of the national front into the BNP. The BNP thus was formed from the mess of many these groups, under Tyndal , advocating a "third positionist" theme that tried to meld nativist racism with populist conservatism and fascist workerism. Basically fascism with a "dont mention hitler in front of the journos" creed. Part of the BNPs strategy was to try and distance itself from its National front /British movement roots, at least in the public sphere, however things like the New Orleans agreement in the US, indicate that this sort of thing was mostly a publicity tactic rather than internal policy. The various BBC/searchlight/etc infiltrations of the group have shown that within the party its still all about hitler and gas the jews and so on. In my view the EDL is a second thrust at this strategy, realising that the BNP is enexorably linked with neo-naziism simply because it was founded by nazis and is still run by a nazi and the press aint THAT stupid. But when you peer under the hood of the EDL, what you find is even more disturbing. Yes there is indeed a BNP crossover, particularly in leadership. But you also see a fuckload of the old racist neo-nazi skinheads that in previous lifes where associated with groups like blood and honor , Combat 18, The anticommunist commandos and so on. Of course everyones now foaming at the mouth about muslims rather thna jews, but at the end of the day, nothings really changed, becase as is now,, as was beore, the principle pleasure of the fascist thug in the UK was always "Paki bashing". And so it remains.... duck monster fucked around with this message at 11:54 on May 9, 2012 |
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The BNP as formed by Tyndall in 82 is not the same organisation as the the 1960s incarnation. They didnt splinter in to the NF they merged iirc. But yeah your history is pretty spot on as I understand it.
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The NF still kick around here and there. They have a bit of a presence in Aberdeen, winning almost 0.1% of the votes in the last election. One of them used to hang around my estate and occasionally get the poo poo kicked out of him when he tried to start something up (because literally everyone, including other far-right groups, hate the NF in Aberdeen).
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Serotonin posted:The BNP as formed by Tyndall in 82 is not the same organisation as the the 1960s Almost all the groups that made up the National front where ex BNP splinters , so really in many respects, the National front was a regrouping of the 1960 national front, led by tyndal (And chesterson, at least symbolically). Then tyndal leaves the national front and restarts the BNP). Technically its two organizations, but really its been the same organization the whole time with different names on the sign.
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VideoTapir posted:I think this is all fascinating/disturbing, but before I clicked on it I thought maybe it had something to do with netbooks. *sigh* aw, gawdammit. [edit] Is it worth me contacting a mod asking for a title change? duck monster & Serotonin posted:BNP, White Defence League, National Labour Party, National Socialist Party, British Movement, Racial Preservation Society, National Front, Blood and honor, the Anticommunist Commandos, The National Socialist Group, Nov 19, Combat 18. I figure Nationalism is a basically tribal ethos, and attracts selfish, clique-y, us-and-them types. It's these inflated egos, all of whom want to command their own army forcing their inability to work together for much longer than a few months, that is one of the far-right's most crippling and funny weaknesses. The EDL is no stranger to this. Dispute their "Divisional" setup, with each city, town or group of loners in a pub, creating their own divisions (much like football clubs, funny that, eh?) the EDL remained mostly together up until the Blackburn demo I mentioned - Where Tommy called out several "higher ups" and called them out as traitors, nazis and whatever. Since then the EDL has spawned the NWI/NEI (North West/North East Infidels), The Casuals, March For England, Cxf & The Real CxF (Combined Ex Forces - who are loving hilarious I'll put a post together about them eventually) and at least a few others, many of whom may only exist on Facebook. The BNP has also fractured since Nick Griffin's last leadership election (witch was as bent as a £3 note) Forming the British Peoples Party (Which I'm not sure even exists any more EDIT: It Does)and the British Freedom Party, among with a bunch of independents. In short: SPLITTERS! (And yes, I know the JPF/PFJ sketch was supposed to poke fun at petty factionalism on the left, but seriously - our infighting has nothing on the far right!) KayTee fucked around with this message at 14:12 on May 9, 2012 |
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A year or two ago I had some genuine concerns over the EDL, but watching numbers at rallies drop quite sharply, and more splinter groups than I can be arsed to count crop up, I really don't think they pose much of a national threat now. That said, the shrinking of the group, and the subsequent splitting into factions may have isolated and radicalised them further which may put them at a greater risk of taking extreme violent action, such as when two of them tried to blow up a mosque by diverting a gas pipe then igniting it (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-11911441), and an increased tendency to single out and try and identify "leftie scum" for violent attack through sites like redwatch or FB pages like https://www.facebook.com/ExposeTheUaf .
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I remember checking out the American embassy in London during the tenth year anniversary of 9/11. I was a tourist then and was curious at this and was going to take pictures. There was a Muslims Against Crusades protest and the EDL had organised a counter-protest. First time I actually heard of the EDL and all I could think of was that they could work on their public image. Appearing in public in Nike trainers and pants while swigging Stella Artois on the street doesn't really make a good first impression. Luckily, at that protest (at least, the section where I was, I think the main group were moving around trying to find a hole in the security), half the people were curious onlookers or journalists, the other half were EDLers. Managed to start a chat with a Syrian, a Palestinian and a local Londoner who explained the whole situation to me. Also, Boris Johnson walked past me through the throngs of the EDLers into Grosvenor Square. 
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KayTee posted:(And yes, I know the JPF/PFJ sketch was supposed to poke fun at petty factionalism on the left, but seriously - our infighting has nothing on the far right!) Dave hann (I think it was him) had a pretty simple theory on why the far right is like that. Everyone wants to be fuhror.
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DesperateDan posted:A year or two ago I had some genuine concerns over the EDL, but watching numbers at rallies drop quite sharply, and more splinter groups than I can be arsed to count crop up, I really don't think they pose much of a national threat now. yeah I still have pages up like that about me. Its not fun, but I've just mentally blocked out that its there, and nothing happens so meh.... That said, when redwatch australia was up, people where getting poo poo thrown at their houses, midnight death threat phone calls, one guy had his dog killed, my office got smashed up. That wasn't very fun at all. Theres a drat good reason people who have been around anti racism projects for a while feel incredulous when others invoke freedom of speech rights for these twats. duck monster fucked around with this message at 15:07 on May 9, 2012 |
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Best rebuttals of Combined Ex Forces are when they go on the Army Rumour Servce squaddy forum (which is not as terrible as you'd imagine) to try and recruit. I didn't quite imagine there were so many ways to tell someone to gently caress off, but it appears there are.
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Yeah don't screw with ARRSE, the level of abuse and paranoia over journalists is staggering. I've lost the post now, but there was another far-right group on there trying to recruit (something to do with Wootton Bassett), who seemed generally hurt when he found out that the military are not ultra-right wing fascists.
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Bozza posted:I didn't quite imagine there were so many ways to tell someone to gently caress off, but it appears there are. Those guys are creative in their insulting.
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Over time for me the EDL shifted from something to be worried about to something just to laugh at. The last year was such a shambles for them and was just one hilarious event after the other. The edlnews year in review of 2011 is pretty long but worth reading just to see how awful their year was. My favourite thing was when one of their leaders made up that he had been attacked by someone with a shotgun the night before a demo but then realised it was obviously a lie so just didn't mention it again. Yesterday Tommy Robinson went somewhere in East Anglia (not sure where, some sort of meeting I think) and tweeted this: Tommy Robinson posted:Going undercover,sat at the back listened 2 em slagging me & revealed myself with 'this is why u should ban the burkha'  There is no way to take them seriously when their leader does stupid stuff like this.
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Strif-ah Ker-not posted:There is no way to take them seriously when their leader does stupid stuff like this. Tommy Robinson is a man who thought that dressing up as a Rabbi was an effective way to avoid the police. He is the kind of man who, while knowing he was being followed by a documentary film crew, got drunk, threw rocks at police and later believed that the resulting documentary would portray him and the EDL in a positive light. He is a man who, when being interviewed on the BBC world service, not a few days after being on the BBC's "Big Question" TV show, claimed that his free speech was being stifled. He is a man who, when challenged over the violent behaviour of the EDL responded by pulling the "Mohammad was a pedo" line. (5.02)and thought this was how people debate. In the same interview he claims that there have been 18,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11. Do the math, that's about 4-5 terrorist attacks per day for the last decade. And then put yourself in Tommeh's limited mindset - he almost certainly means Islamic terrorist attacks only. Also in that interview he dismisses the work by international journalist Matt Carr by saying that Matt didn't grow up ion Luton, and so has no idea of how the world works (12.00-ish) In short: He is a loving idiot. The story you mention has been bouncing around the Antifa Facebook pages and groups all this morning. I do not doubt it happened. I do doubt that whatever meeting he disrupted had anything to do with the EDL - It was probably some WI coffee morning, no EDL or counter-jihad, as they call themselves, related blog will give us the info of where, when or against whom this action occored. [EDIT: One EDL source finally came forward LOL-ing at us for not knowing where the stunt happened - Apparently it was some meeting set up by the BFI (British Film Institute).  According to Tommeh's twitter feed later, however, the stunt was filmed and will form part of a self-produced documentary. I'm sure it'll all become clear upon that thing's release.]You're right. They are utterly comical. But they are capable of Stuff like this Assaulting a pensioner because the old fella had the audacity to belong to the National Union of Teachers, his local pensioners forum and to hold Anti-EDL views. KayTee fucked around with this message at 12:33 on May 14, 2012 |
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Fragrag posted:First time I actually heard of the EDL and all I could think of was that they could work on their public image. Appearing in public in Nike trainers and pants while swigging Stella Artois on the street doesn't really make a good first impression. Heh, I've seen two edl demos - both times, they weren't marching down the street but packed into pubs, throwing lager down their throats as fast as possible, while surrounded by a ring of police officers. One time, it was only 11:30 in the morning! The edl do love a drink, bless em.
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Interesting question: why are the far right in the UK so incredibly bad at getting their poo poo together? In France for example, the Front National is well-organised and winning a very significant share of the vote. Contrast that with the extraordinary incoherence and incompetence that our native-born fascists display, always and at all times. You only have to read the papers (and the accompanying online comments sections) to know that there's plenty of people in the UK that distinctly lean towards their views, so how is it that they've always failed utterly to draw on that potential support? In place of any sort of slick political operation, you've got the drunken pressure group that is the EDL and the navel-gazing BNP doing their best to impersonate the Judean People's Front (Splitters!!). Perhaps the liberal metropolitan elite is to blame for frustrating the ambitions of true sons of British soil?
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Umiapik posted:Interesting question: why are the far right in the UK so incredibly bad at getting their poo poo together? In France for example, the Front National is well-organised and winning a very significant share of the vote. Contrast that with the extraordinary incoherence and incompetence that our native-born fascists display, always and at all times. You only have to read the papers (and the accompanying online comments sections) to know that there's plenty of people in the UK that distinctly lean towards their views, so how is it that they've always failed utterly to draw on that potential support? In place of any sort of slick political operation, you've got the drunken pressure group that is the EDL and the navel-gazing BNP doing their best to impersonate the Judean People's Front (Splitters!!). Our bourgeoisie don't feel threatened by progressive movements (whether Correct or incorrect) so they don't need to fund the fascists as a bulwark against revolution, said liberal funding being the source of the organisational successes of other European fascists
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May 11, 2012 19:10
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Umiapik posted:Interesting question: why are the far right in the UK so incredibly bad at getting their poo poo together? In France for example, the Front National is well-organised and winning a very significant share of the vote. Contrast that with the extraordinary incoherence and incompetence that our native-born fascists display, always and at all times. You only have to read the papers (and the accompanying online comments sections) to know that there's plenty of people in the UK that distinctly lean towards their views, so how is it that they've always failed utterly to draw on that potential support? In place of any sort of slick political operation, you've got the drunken pressure group that is the EDL and the navel-gazing BNP doing their best to impersonate the Judean People's Front (Splitters!!). For some reason UKIP are seen as at least a semi-respectable party which I think sucks up a lot of the non working class racists.
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May 11, 2012 19:37
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Strif-ah Ker-not posted:For some reason UKIP are seen as at least a semi-respectable party which I think sucks up a lot of the non working class racists. Bingo. UKIP are *nudge-and-a-wink* fascists who suck up a lot of the big-money, halfway capable, 'respectable' right-wingers.
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May 11, 2012 21:16
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duck monster posted:yeah I still have pages up like that about me. Its not fun, but I've just mentally blocked out that its there, and nothing happens so meh.... That said, when redwatch australia was up, people where getting poo poo thrown at their houses, midnight death threat phone calls, one guy had his dog killed, my office got smashed up. That wasn't very fun at all. Are you the guys who used to change their leeched pics of you to gay sex pics just to gently caress with them? I hope so, that poo poo was amusing as all hell. e: I'm pretty sure it was interracial gay sex pics, thinking back on it. Twatworth fucked around with this message at 21:37 on May 11, 2012 |
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May 11, 2012 21:25
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Pasco posted:Bingo. UKIP are *nudge-and-a-wink* fascists who suck up a lot of the big-money, halfway capable, 'respectable' right-wingers. BNP in Blazers. Also: I am working on a big post about the CxF (They've reappeared just today and are taking credit for the Rochdale convictions) bit I'm posting mostly to share this. Vogons got nothing on this. 
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May 11, 2012 21:26
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"And all the rest that wish us bad/ can rot in hell, the dirty cads/ From coast to coast, to Dingley Dell/ God bless the good old E-D-L!" 
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