Guavanaut posted:

Has this been posted yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdBVFFZry9o

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Haha, the far right is "protecting" the Haredi in the UK? Man, imagining some skinhead chatting with them and being all "You know Shlomo, I weren't sure about you, but after seeing your deep and committed contempt for women, I think we really have more in common than not."

Unless the Haredi in UK differ from the Israeli ones, couldn't really find much online about it, kept getting stories of them loving up flights rather than if they actually treat women like people.

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• All parties agreed – and it is probably a matter on which judicial notice may properly be taken – that the EDL was an overtly racist organisation, particularly hostile to Muslims. It was also agreed that it is an organisation which does not shrink from violence or attempting to provoke violence in others. In Tower Hamlets and indeed, in the UK, political terms it is wholly negligible. As far as can be ascertained, it does not often seek democratic election and, when it does, its level of failure is absolute. Its membership is tiny, though undoubtedly noisy.
  
• The EDL’s modus operandi appears to be that, from time to time, it proposes a march, usually through an area with a large BME, preferably a large Muslim, population. A march by the EDL in Tower Hamlets in September 2013 featured in the evidence. Once the march is proposed, all the political and community organisations in the area normally vie with each other in demanding that the march be banned. If it is not, then, they plan a large counter-demonstration. Pausing there, this is (certainly on the evidence before the court) an opportunity for each group to castigate the supposed half-heartedness of the others and to adopt a ‘more anti-fascist than thou’ posture. The march occurs: the assembled political and community groups stage their counter-protest. Sometimes a few heads get broken. The police and (subsequently) the street cleaners deservedly earn substantial overtime. The dogs bark and the caravan moves on. Everyone congratulates themselves that they have ‘seen off the fascists’.
  
• No apologies are made for this somewhat cynical view of the EDL’s activities, because the uses to which the EDL was put by Mr Rahman and THF were equally cynical. Apart from causing a brouhaha once a year or thereabouts, the power and influence of the EDL is, in somewhere like Tower Hamlets, non-existent.
  
• But the EDL does have its uses. Because it dislikes Mr Rahman – undoubtedly, in the case of the EDL, because he is non-white – the EDL seizes on any criticism of Mr Rahman and repeats it on social media. This enables Mr Rahman and his cohorts to argue as follows: criticisms of Mr Rahman by his political opponents are adopted and repeated by the EDL: the EDL is a racist organisation: therefore anyone who criticises Mr Rahman is giving aid and comfort to the EDL: therefore anyone who gives aid and comfort to the EDL is himself a racist: therefore it is racist to criticise Mr Rahman. This series of propositions informed all the responses of Mr Rahman and his team to criticisms and may be taken to be an epitome of the thought processes of Mr Alibor Choudhury.
  
• Truly, in Tower Hamlets, if the EDL did not exist, like Voltaire’s God, it would be necessary to invent it.
  

Tias posted:

Skinhead does not = nazi, please don't perpetuate the stupid misuse of the word.

TinTower posted:

Interesting reading from the Tower Hamlets judgment:


Basically: everyone agrees the EDL are racist fucks, even the judge, but in TH they were primarily used as a device by Luftur Rahman to smear the Tower Hamlets Labour Party.

The judgment, in Rahman's defence, does sympathise with Rahman over his expulsion from the Labour Party, though.

Stottie Kyek posted:

That's why I wear communist or anti-fascist badges if I'm at a protest or other political event, so people don't assume I'm a fash. Bloody nazis stealing butch women's fashion, they've associated themselves with all our favourite things like plaid shirts, denim and heavy boots.

I mean, it's not the worst thing they've ever done, but I'm still annoyed about it.

Tias posted:

I don't usually go into it here on SA

Tias posted:

I don't usually go into it here on SA because people are like "DURRRR if the word is associated with fascism now, just stop using it, it's a lost cause"

I'm not sociologist or whatever, but having my culture, which specifically is about interracial friendship, tarnished by these morons is not going without a fight.

Anyway, it's a derail, sorry.

In other news, PEGIDA attendance in Denmark has dwindled rapidly recently, and there's rumblings of them closing shop entirely

KayTee posted:

Britain First founder Jim Dawson sentenced for his part in Belfast Flag protests:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32383700

VVV

Bonehead wrote this too which raised a few eyebrows:

https://ukipvoices.wordpress.com/2015/04/12/ukip-is-it-time-to-talk-about-the-issue-of-race-within-our-party/

Presumably he's staying out of the klink because the gobby little shite would incite someone to murder him within 6 hours.

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One Labour canvasser said that Mr Field sprayed her with deodorant

Mr Field said he did spray her but claimed the incident was just 'banter'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3055671/Exposed-EDL-thug-South-Thanet-backing-Nigel-Farage-s-Ukip-rival-candidate-receives-sickening-abuse-online.html posted:

We went to Ukip meeting with members of Kent NF and after the meeting Nigel Farage went on Twitter saying we have far right extremists here... the question is nig, do you want our vote or not?

Tias posted:

It's a bit too complex to generalize like that. Clearly a lot of punks were apolitical and some were nazis back then, and even early skinheads joined up with BNP, but nowhere except Britain was racist sentiment a large part of skinhead culture, and even less so for punks.

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Charlie Amos, 15, is a GCSE student from East Ginstead, Sussex. "People say Ukip would take Britain back to the 1950s, but there were lots of good things about the 1950s," he says.

John Big Booty posted:

This is why the Sorting Hat tried to put him in Slytherin.

Gorilla Salad posted:

From the Ugly and Awkward thread in PYF - UKIP Youth.












Which naturally lead to this:

Tias posted:

It's a bit too complex to generalize like that. Clearly a lot of punks were apolitical and some were nazis back then, and even early skinheads joined up with BNP, but nowhere except Britain was racist sentiment a large part of skinhead culture, and even less so for punks.

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Skinheads are fash and some people appropriated their look and name its not that difficult

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Skinheads are fash and some people appropriated their look and name its not that difficult

KayTee posted:

Can we officially define 'banter' as 'Horrible thing I did that I refuse to admit is horriable'?

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Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Skinheads are fash and some people appropriated their look and name its not that difficult