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ekuNNN posted:Calling the antifa Jews and Homosexuals as an insult does kind of show people your political affiliation It reminds me of George Felix Allen, who called an observer for the opposing campaign by an obscure racial slur used only by a small group of people including his mother, and then, while defending himself against accusations of racism, reacted to word getting out that he had Jewish heritage by screaming about how it was an effort to smear him.
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Count me as another past-Calais filthy foreigner who didn't understand what this thread was until I opened it. Voting for a title change to something clearer and clever, maybe with a "splitters!" reference if there's space.KayTee posted:BNP in Blazers. I think the part where it cuts off suddenly is where his own major intestine, in a desperate attempt to save humanity, leapt straight up through his neck and throttled his brain.
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mrpwase posted:First result... I have one of these things dedicated to me personally. I wont post the link (and ask others dont either. loving ping-backs, and I really don't want to be attracting nazi dickheads back here again, so long after I got out of the game... but, have a copy-paste quote:
This was his loving bezerk reply to comment I made on the old fightdemback forum about the fact most terrorist attacks in australia had come from white supremacists. In fact every time I'd post somewhere , it'd elicit a loving nuts reaction from the dude. Seriously google "Donald oorst fightdemback" fohr tonnes more of this guff. Whats funny is on the part of the site that lists members of Fightdemback (The Antifa group I was associated with), it includes one Darrin Hodges. Darrin Hodges is the leader of the protectionist party , the less jew hatey and more muslim hatey fascist sect here. Splitters indeed! e: Dont post links to the site, seriously folks, I really dont want ping-backs to SA from his lovely bloggger site.
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Disclaimer: I am American So, it seems like most hate for Muslims around the world comes from ignorance. Do these people really believe they're threatened by a religious minority, to the point they're afraid of sharia law? Sharia law isn't even in full effect in a lot of Islamic countries, how can they believe it'll be established in the UK? Or am I reading too much into this and they're just fascists?
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Raneman posted:Disclaimer: I am American You're right, but they're also fascists.
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Raneman posted:Sharia law isn't even in full effect in a lot of Islamic countries, how can they believe it'll be established in the UK? A large part of the blame comes from the festering toilet we refer to as the news media. I'm not saying these people wouldn't be fascist, racist dungheaps without the media's input but I imagine it does wonders to reinforce your clot-headed views/justifications for thuggery when you walk to work and see variations of this in the newsagent window every day: 
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duck monster posted:"Donald oorst fightdemback" also JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZ Whatever you did to piss off neonazis this much, I'm sure it counts as legitimately awesome.
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:Whatever you did to piss off neonazis this much, I'm sure it counts as legitimately awesome. Co founded an anti-fascist group that basically gave australian nazis hell for about 6 years before we sort of died out of innertia. We had a bit of specialty in getting racists fired and/or having camera crews turn up at their door for pulp news stories about "NEO NAZIS EXPOSED LIVING NEAR CHILDRENS PARKS" type comedy. It was largely effective, and we managed to monster a few of the major groups into breaking up. The guy who keeps that blog ran the 'white pride coalition' who we completely hosed over until it disbanded. There was two branches, australia and new zealand. The kiwis where a bit more into the euro style street antifascism, mainly because the groups at the time where a lot more street violent. The australian group where more of a searchlight type operation, and most of us where journalists, lawyers and semi-professional types, and we mostly just did research and made sure the right people got their hands on it. Obviously some of them where not particularly happy with us. e: Oh and substituting gay porn whenever they leached a photo off our webserver. that stunt never got old.
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Sorry for the long hiatus - IRL drama. Also, I'm sorry for the non-appearance of the CxF article. In its place here's most of what I'd done, just stung together. The more I worked on it the more I realised that the useless little idiots just arn't worth all the work I was putting into them. Here they are. This might be them also For whatever reason they have both .com and .co.uk sites. They only seem to use one of them. See if you can guess which one it is. In the mean time here is their logo.  Look at that logo. LOOK AT IT! Screw photoshop! Real patriots use PaintSPA! This is them. All of them.  Proud patriots, scrawling over the Union Flag with a felt-tip pen, framing their terrifying visage intended to strike fear into muslamic fundimentaloids and UAF pedo-supporting soapdogers with a child's plastic playhouse and furniture. And that's about all they're worth. Believe it or not - They do want people to take them seriously, and have thus set themselves up as a kind of PMC courtesy of Poundland. Offering, and I quote: quote:the best self defence/anti terrorist training in the world  They even set themselves up as an official company, and can still be found with a quick Google search, via several company registry websites. Well actually, You'd have to Google for the "Combinned Ex Services" for that, because when they registered, they spelled their own name wrong.  Intel Limited, indeed. Anyway, on to the EDL - If you follow Tommeh on Twitter, you might remember this tweet:  I bring this up because in the run-up to their last demo in Rochdale the EDL's Football hooligan Division the Casuals felt the need to protect their freedom of speech by threatening journalists and photographers. Story here quote:Right due to certain trouble making incidents, and incidents of Left wing journalists posting pics theyve taken at or around demos of individuals, with messages asking "who is this fascist girl help us identify her" and the continuous online attempts to identify people attending EDL and other events with the intention of harassing them and causing them personal problems, at ROCHDALE, no press or photographers are welcome unless invited by us. Any media not accompanied by officials from EDL are to be treated as hostile. This is announced after consultation with various firms. Of course, the NUJ responded swiftly, telling the EDL and Casuals exactly where they could stick their fascist tactics. quote:Urgent notice for NUJ members covering the EDL demonstration in Rochdale on Saturday, June 9 EDL News, SLATEDL (Still Laughing at the EDL - a Facebook page) and Exposing Racism and Intolerance Online (another Facebook group) all predicted the cries of "They're not EDL" that usually follow such foot/mouth events, and made sure to point out comments like this:  From recognised EDL official sources. All this pretty much guaranteed that this demo would be one of the better covered and photographed events in recent memory. And it kinda was. But barely anything out of the ordinary happened. Almost 400 people turned up at Rochdale eventually. And Tommeh thought this was a good idea:  Yup - that's him with a Koran and a lighter. It's not an oversized comedy lighter either. He's genuinely that tiny. He tried to burn it but the blasphemous book refused to catch. While this was going on the EDL's only "Muslim" member, Abdul, offered to burn the book himself. Abdul, in the planinest PC language, is not of adult equivalency, and his frequent exploitation and grooming by the EDL never ceases to turn my stomach. Aside from trying to burn the book like a good Nazi, Tommeh jumped to his other piece of current grief tourism and exploitation: Paedophilia. I order to address this, Tommeh included such gems in his speech as: quote:“Eighty percent of Muslim paedophile grooming cases are by Muslims. Eighty percent.” and quote:“Any young girl should be able to walk the streets naked without men targeting them to pass them round as sexual exploitation.” Lovely. There were 11 arrests at the demo There were some interesting smear campaign tactics in the run up too - Mostly aimed at Antifa groups such as the UAF. Who, in the EDL's eyes, are literally the Cobra to their G.I. Joe. At a previous demo it was floated around that a child had been hit by a bottle thrown by a UAF pedo-supporter. You'd have thought that this sort of incident would have caused an immediate press backlash against UAF, as well as recorded arrests, statements by UAF higher-ups and hospital admission records. Nothing of the sort arose. Then other questions started being asked like: why was a child brought along to a racist piss-up? And why, when a photo did emerge, was the child so ludicrously photogenic, and how come the picture was so professionally lit and composed?  No doubt that this WAS the little girl who was hit by a bottle in Brighton. No doubt at all. Absolutely 100% genuine. This little girl was glassed by UAF and this was a spontaneous picture of her being bandaged up, taken, presumably, by parents of guardians. Right? Definitely not a model posing for an article for EACF - The Epilepsy Association of Central Florida Sooo. That's that. Next demo is planned for Dewsbury, and then Bristol. In Bristol almost 1,200 Antifacist activists have already confirmed their attendance. Also - Please spare the newbie and tell me how I go about a thread-name change? If I can do it myself, I can't figure out how - Do I just PM a mod? Any suggestions for a new title also welcomed! KayTee fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Jun 11, 2012 |
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Jun 11, 2012 12:40
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Sadly, the EDL march on Bristol falls on the same day as Bristol Pride, and despite numerous pleas to gently caress off and do it on a different day and even though the EDL has said (read: lied) a few times and said it wouldn't march then... well, here we are.
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Jun 11, 2012 12:48
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KayTee posted:
Not to get pedantic, but those are odd choices of guns for a logo. Given that they're supposedly former British Military (that's their schtick, right?), you'd think their logo would reflect British Military guns. Instead, what they've got there is: - Glock: an Austrian import, and not the standard British sidearm. But arguably partial credit because some SAS units apparently use them along with SIGs. - MP5: German import, used by some British Police SWAT-type units, and apparently also the SAS. But not anything the average squaddie would ever be issued. - Dragunov SVD: Russian sniper rifle, and to the best of my knowledge not something that's ever been issued by any branch of the British services, military or civil. Probably been used to shoot British troops in a fair number of places (Basra, Belfast, Helmand), but that's about the only connection. So off the cuff I'm going to guess they based their gun selection on their logo from Call of Duty? EDIT: To get a title change you generally PM a mod for that particular subforum and ask nicely, once you have a new title that's not over-length picked out. Just spitballing here: EDL: saving the UK from the scourge of kebab takeouts English Defence League: the (white) pride of the UK EDL: Won't someone please think of the White Britons? optionally with "14w itt" EDL: surprisingly not any politer than your average skinhead EDL: Birmingham struggles to top Alabama for dicks TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jun 11, 2012 |
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Jun 11, 2012 13:07
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EDL: creeping sharia, hidden fascism
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quote:I would bet anything that that's somebody's house.
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Pope Guilty posted:I would bet anything that that's somebody's house. A house with a certain child's plastic playhouse in the backyard
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Jun 11, 2012 14:53
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Not to go all goon detective, but yes, it's a residential address.
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Jun 11, 2012 15:02
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Lamuella posted:Not to go all goon detective, but yes, it's a residential address. One thing you learn very quickly if you have any interest in fascist movements is that five nines of fascists are loving idiots even allowing for their idiotic beliefs.
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Pope Guilty posted:One thing you learn very quickly if you have any interest in fascist movements is that five nines of fascists are loving idiots even allowing for their idiotic beliefs. Intensely so. The upside is , it makes them very trollable. Anyone with half a brain can intellectually outgun the poo poo out of these people and drive them into utter paroxysms of comical rage. We used to have great fun sending in reports (under fake names) to redwatch with details and photos of other fascists with comments like "I saw this race traitor bastard selling socialist worker yesterday, story has it, he's also a jew" , and then watching as the poo poo hits the fan as they started warring with each other because these doey fuckers just accept anything you tell them as true.
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KayTee posted:Also - Please spare the newbie and tell me how I go about a thread-name change? If I can do it myself, I can't figure out how - Do I just PM a mod? Any suggestions for a new title also welcomed! 
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Every once in awhile I see a news story on the BBC about someone getting arrested for being explicitly racist in public, or using slurs or something. A few weeks ago I think someone was arrested for drunkenly insulting a bunch of subway passengers, or something. If that's generally illegal, how does the EDL get away with what they do? Is it just dogwhistle stuff or what?
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Pope Guilty posted:One thing you learn very quickly if you have any interest in fascist movements is that five nines of fascists are loving idiots even allowing for their idiotic beliefs. duck monster posted:Intensely so. This is easily one of the most frustrating things about Tommy Robinson himself. Again, to go all PC - He's just not very bright. To not be PC - he is a loving moron. Reasoning with him, or debating him is simply impossible because he lacks the ability to comprehend the situations he's in or the complexities of the topics he's talking about. As you can see with the previous links to interviews I've provided as well as this recent one on VoxAfrica (It's a good hour long, so make yourself a brew if you're going to sit through it.)  ♫ One of these things is not like the others... And AGAIN he comes out with the very same points he's made in every other interview - AGAIN regardless of accuracy or relevance - while he also plays down or flat-out ignores anything that contradicts or even challenges his worldview. Here's some soundbytes: quote:Islamic extremism has ‘got more funding from Saudi Arabia’ quote:‘There is a problem in their [Islamic] ideology… It’s not integrating, it’s not working in Europe, it’s not working in Britain’ Except it is. Also, criticising others for not integrating into society is pretty loving rich coming from someone with no less than five convictions and a football ban. quote:I don’t see Christians, Sikhs or Hindus blowing things up worldwide on a daily basis This is one of my favourites. The "You don't see Christians doing this" often comes up... Tommy is an Irish immigrant. You'd think he'd know better, wouldn't you? quote:‘We’ve [the EDL] killed no-one, we’ve attacked no-one…’ Professional EDL-watchers Hazel Zebulon and Drew Hunter update This document constantly. It's especially frustrating when they latch on to things like the Rochdale Paedophile ring case, where it has been admitted and accepted that there is a problem with Asian community males exploiting white girls. But this is a problem that needs to be tackled through education and integration from all communities and it is not helped, and actively exasperated (by making the Asian community feel more isolated and unwelcome) by the EDL's actions. [[ETA]] Fandyien posted:Every once in awhile I see a news story on the BBC about someone getting arrested for being explicitly racist in public, or using slurs or something. A few weeks ago I think someone was arrested for drunkenly insulting a bunch of subway passengers, or something. Emma West of "My Tram Experience" fame. The EDL have even produced badges proclaiming that she "was right", and plan to protest while her court case is going on. Because of freedom of speech. Link quote:If that's generally illegal, how does the EDL get away with what they do? Is it just dogwhistle stuff or what? Good loving question. It's on that the more optimistic SLATEDL/Expose/EDLNews watchers & commenters ask all the time. This is a video of a bit of the protest in Rochdale just last saturday. "Smelly loving pakis" can be heard several times. It's probably because the most aggressive stuff either happens online (and there's so much of it that all they can do is focus on the really really over-the-top stuff - like CxF's threat to bring guns to the Remembrance day protest) or it happens on their demos where it's just difficult to get it to stick. They've got to arrest them in the first place, find adequate witnesses, prove that they knew what they were doing dispite being drunk out of their minds (which they always are.) and justify the public cost for persuing the matter over what is, effectively, using a naughty word. And the end result will be either an ASBO or a couple hours community service, both of which will cost more money to enforce. KayTee fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jun 11, 2012 |
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Jun 11, 2012 16:23
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poo poo doesn't get dumber than this: Apparently the EDL turned up to listen to a selecter gig than started making threats when Pauline black basically told the EDL to gently caress off. Why the hell would racists go to a 2 tone (heck, there are hints even in the name of the genre!)
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Fandyien posted:If that's generally illegal, how does the EDL get away with what they do? Is it just dogwhistle stuff or what? Because, sadly but simply, it's socially-acceptable to be racist, and it's less socially-acceptable to call people out for being racist. duck monster posted:the EDL turned up to listen to a selecter gig 
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Off Wikipedia: "In England, Wales, and Scotland, the Public Order Act 1986 prohibits, by its Part 3, expressions of racial hatred, which is defined as hatred against a group of persons by reason of the group's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins. Section 18 of the Act says: A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if— (a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or (b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby." I'm sorta weirded out by the distinction the British establishment seems make, in practice, between organized political hate speech and individually expressed bigotry - that the former isn't punished but the latter is. Seems like it's more effective to actively pursue organized racists then individual nutbars. I can see the argument in favor of not repressing political parties based on ideology, but if hate speech is already outlawed, there doesn't seem to be any room for an appeal to absolutely free speech.
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duck monster posted:poo poo doesn't get dumber than this: even if you got some racist 2 tone fans (and they sadly do exist), why would you go to a gig by The Selecter of all loving bands? One of the most political and outspokenly multicultural bands 2 tone ever produced.
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Fandyien posted:I'm sorta weirded out by the distinction the British establishment seems make, in practice, between organized political hate speech and individually expressed bigotry - that the former isn't punished but the latter is. Seems like it's more effective to actively pursue organized racists then individual nutbars. quote:I can see the argument in favor of not repressing political parties based on ideology, but if hate speech is already outlawed, there doesn't seem to be any room for an appeal to absolutely free speech.
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spincube posted:Because, sadly but simply, it's socially-acceptable to be racist, and it's less socially-acceptable to call people out for being racist. Maybe my glasses are still a little rose-tinted, but I don't think this is the case. At least, not in a "institutionalised racism" fashion. The EDL's "street army" exists because their brand of violence and racism is, simply, no longer welcome or accepted in it's previous tribal-based football-gang organisations. The EDL is vilified in the media at large for the most part (okay, with the exception of the occasional dog-whistle stories that most of the Tight-wing UK press have made their own) For example The Star's "support/glorification" of the EDL as a political party was so short lived and quickly backpeddled on that it nearly gave its readers whiplash. The Mail hates them, mostly because they're poor, but also because even Paul Dacre realises that the "N"-Word isn't accepted by the majority any more. Cameron has actively spoken out against their breed of public disruption, even if he hasn't moved to tackle them (Prolly because he's got a few more pressing things on his mind) but all-in-all racism is not accepted in UK society at large. It's also worth noting that the EDL are minuscule. The bigger problem being the condition that the EDL are a symptom of. That of simplistic scapegoating created, again, by the Right-Wing media. If 9/11 had never happened, and the media's focus on Muslims not followed, he EDL would still exist, but it'd be focused on just black people in general, or the gays or the Marxists or the Jews or (most likely) the polish. There will always exist a group of people whose world-view will be so simplistic that they can lump all their problems on an "other", causing the type of behaviour that the EDL produce. I do think that the reason that the EDL are not prosecuted over their constant racist language is a double-effect of the "freedom of speech" argument (which is all sorts of complex when you try and explain it in press copy) and the knowledge that prosecuting on these terms appears as a governmental repression on opinion, but mostly because it'll cost more than it'll recoup. Investing more into education, outreach programs and integration action is a far more cost-effective and actually effective way of dealing with them. Which is exactly what Love Luton, to name one, does. And it does it very well. [Edit] Zombywuf posted:"Hate speech" is not a legal concept in the UK. I'm no lawyer - but some rules and laws must exist that kinda cover this field, suerly. Otherwise, this wouldn't have happened: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fabrice-muamba-tweets or would the prosecution of Emma West. ... or is there some fiddly legalese stuff that I'm not getting over what is and is not "hate speech". KayTee fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jun 11, 2012 |
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quote:Tommy is an Irish immigrant. You'd think he'd know better, wouldn't you? That reminds me, what's the EDL's stance on the Irish? My vague impression of British skinhead stuff was that they hated the Irish for daring to spit on John Bull, ARE ROYAL TROOPS, etc. Is that still the case, or have they come around with some kind of "enemy of my enemy" thing, or just forgotten them entirely since they're pale? For contrast, there were a handful of American neo-Nazi groups who voiced support for Al Qaeda of all things, something along the lines of "having the balls to take the fight right to the ZOG in Jew York" or something along those lines.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:That reminds me, what's the EDL's stance on the Irish? My vague impression of British skinhead stuff was that they hated the Irish for daring to spit on John Bull, ARE ROYAL TROOPS, etc. Is that still the case, or have they come around with some kind of "enemy of my enemy" thing, or just forgotten them entirely since they're pale? I'd say its the same as the old NF stance of a violent hate of Irish nationalists. The NF used to raid sinn fein and socialist worker (who where fairly staunchly pro irish liberation although they did criticize the nationalism) meetings and beat the poo poo out of anyone who would attend. This ended fairly abruptly after the formation of the "squads" (and later Red Action) out of union workers and the like who decided enough was enough and started bringing the violence back to the nazis, which stopped a lot of the meeting raids (turns out most fascists are loving cowards).
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Lamuella posted:even if you got some racist 2 tone fans (and they sadly do exist), why would you go to a gig by The Selecter of all loving bands? One of the most political and outspokenly multicultural bands 2 tone ever produced. I could sort of 'get' some confused fash turning up to a bad manners gig (although I can assure you buster bloodvessel has no time for racists and in fact straight out suggested that racists should be "booted", in the doc marten sense from the skinhead scene [which stared off quite multicultural before the national front started loving things up]) but its really loving wierd the idea of nazis and racists at selecter, or for that manner, specials and madness , gigs.
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ekuNNN posted:Calling the antifa Jews and Homosexuals as an insult does kind of show people your political affiliation A friend had a good response when called a "jewish communist" (which he is!) by one nazi, he replied "You forgot homosexual, because I can assure you, I poo poo glitter", and then offered the guy a gently caress. Said nazi almost tripped over himself trying to get the gently caress away, lol. e: I wish I still had the video of the "fairies against fascism" raid on the national front in new zealand. Particualrly the gigantic flamingly queer maori guy in a tutu wielding his maori war club. e: jewish communist, not homosexual communist, now the story makes sense. duck monster fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jun 12, 2012 |
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duck monster posted:Intensely so. The upside is , it makes them very trollable. We've actually had a, I don't know what to call it, a trolling loopback? Backstory: CxF member Matthew Woodward was exposed as a possessor of child porn... quote:Matthew Stephen Raymond Woodward pleaded guilty to 15 charges of level one child pornography featuring kids age 10 to 15 and one level 4 video of a 13 year old. He also faced charges of trying to solicit a 13 year old girl for pornographic photographs. It is assumed that another CxF member (apparently a fellow called Micheal Kearns - identified by his unique spelling techniques) then set up a "parody" Liverpool Antifascists facebook page, as well as a fake "Phil Dickens" account. Real Phil Dickens blog I believe he is aware of all this - I don't know if any legal action is planned or under-way - I should hope so. The page is labelled Liverpool anti fascists" (anti british division)" and has the following description: quote:we just hate fash an british peole but really dont know what were doing we just dont wash an turn up when our leader phil says so They then went on to pretty blatantly libel LAF's leader by posting this:  Pretty soon it was spotted by a number of EDL types and uploaded to one of their "debate" pages The New Daily Patriot. Wherein the despicable behaviour of the obviously pedo-supporting LAF were called out and unquestionably believed. Most of the thread is here before it was finally deleted. I say "most of the thread" because several attempts to point out that the shot was fake, by linking to both the real and fake pages were deleted and those individuals banned from the page. Of note is the page admin's admission that she hadn't looked into the story. Also of note is the call for public lynchings, hangings and beatings. We won't have no barbaric Sharia law here! Nosiree!
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KayTee posted:The page is labelled Liverpool anti fascists" (anti british division)" The little "anti british division" label is like a neat summary of the thoughts of the hard right-wingers' idea of their opposition, i.e. "them" (the left) believe the *exact* opposite of "us" (the right), without being able to critically assess how mind-numbingly simplistic their attempt at parody is.
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KayTee posted:I'm no lawyer - but some rules and laws must exist that kinda cover this field, suerly. Kinda, "speech" is not a thing in UK law as it is in the US, where burning down an abortion clinic is a form of "speech". Roughly what is outlawed in the UK is actions that will stir up racial hatred. Fandyien appeared to be trying to understand the situation through a lens of US style free speech, which is just not applicable in the UK.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:That reminds me, what's the EDL's stance on the Irish? My vague impression of British skinhead stuff was that they hated the Irish for daring to spit on John Bull, ARE ROYAL TROOPS, etc. Is that still the case, or have they come around with some kind of "enemy of my enemy" thing, or just forgotten them entirely since they're pale? They use the phrase 'no surrender' a lot, and I think there was some infighting to do with Robinson's ancestry. Edit: Also I don't think the 'enemy of my enemy' thing would work, because they have entirely different enemies. Irish republicans tend to show sympathy for palestine, whereas the EDL support Israel. Mr.Hell fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Jun 12, 2012 |
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The EDL as a rule are full-bore nationalist, so they're in no hurry to embrace their brothers across the pond - the IRA are trying to 'break up the union' after all. That said, the Irish are generally white and both Catholics and Protestants fit under the umbrella of 'Not A Mooslim' so there's no real cohesive opinion there.Mr.Hell posted:Edit: Also I don't think the 'enemy of my enemy' thing would work, because they have entirely different enemies. Irish republicans tend to show sympathy for palestine, whereas the EDL support Israel.  Zionist solidarity!
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Jun 12, 2012 22:10
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Is this just an 'enemy of my enemy' (moooslims!) thing or don't the EDL have any problems with jews? I ask this only because fascist groups seem to be in a really weird place re: jews and muslims and you're seeing some strange loving bedfellows made from this. (Incidentally, I cannot get over the retching feeling I get whenever I see the anti-semitic right and zionists teaming up. It's a disgusting and hypocritical spectacle.)
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Jun 12, 2012 22:40
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The EDL's main principle is that they're anti-muslim. That's the only overriding objective they have. While the membership contains a decent amount of hangovers from the bonehead, RAC, and various far-right/football hooligan mobs of the 80s/early 90s, a solid proportion of the members wouldn't actively identify as fascist or neo-nazi at all. They don't hate jews or believe in aryan supremacy or subscribe to some twisted reading of Nietzsche. They joined the EDL because they loving hate Muslims, that's about as far as their politics go. Israel frequently oppresses and murders muslims? Well then they're alright in our book! Some dumbfuck americans are opposing the building of a mosque for any reason at all? Our brothers! It's actually pretty simple, appropriately. I hope that made sense
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Jun 12, 2012 22:49
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:Is this just an 'enemy of my enemy' (moooslims!) thing or don't the EDL have any problems with jews? I ask this only because fascist groups seem to be in a really weird place re: jews and muslims and you're seeing some strange loving bedfellows made from this. Its that big schism from about a decade ago where fascists couldnt decide if they hated jews or muslims more. Some decided they hated muslims more, going the EDL type path, some decided they hated jews more, going the nazi path more, some decided they hated both, going the BNP path. Ultimately, its really just a new iiteration of the nativist vs nazi divide. Fascists really do think about the dumbest poo poo.
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