English Defence League: the (white) pride of the UK

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Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

Mr Cuddles posted:

I am sure they would be much more popular as a movement if a single one of them was able to spell correctly, or write or say anything without coming across as incredibly ignorant, reactionary and hateful.

Without being able to cite a source at this time, I'm pretty sure that they're funded by a millionaire.

# ¿ May 8, 2012 15:48

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 17:03

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

Serotonin posted:

http://libcom.org/blog/fascists-launch-failed-attack-liverpool-picket-line-10052012

nothing new here, but more evidence that the EDL and their like do not represent working class interests.

Christ, this is awful. NfN is a really nice little place, though obviously its hosting of weekly socialist meetings puts a big marker out for the pondscum on 'Redwatch' and the like. Any reason why these sorts aren't put on terror watchlists, or are they only reserved for foreigners?

# ¿ May 13, 2012 12:30

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

KayTee posted:

The page is labelled Liverpool anti fascists" (anti british division)"

The little "anti british division" label is like a neat summary of the thoughts of the hard right-wingers' idea of their opposition, i.e. "them" (the left) believe the *exact* opposite of "us" (the right), without being able to critically assess how mind-numbingly simplistic their attempt at parody is.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2012 11:31

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

TheIllestVillain posted:

Why is it that wingnuts are bad at almost everything that involves creativity?

Because fascists are vehemently opposed to the arts

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 12:11

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

KayTee posted:

And Boycott Halal shits itself in horror when it realises that there is no ritually slaughtered meat in HP Sauce.

Write up by Liverpool Anti-Facisism

I love how "keeping quiet about it" is somehow compatible with an article in a national newspaper, for a product made in the Netherlands.

# ¿ Jun 23, 2012 18:53

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

TheIllestVillain posted:

I don't have much experience with the hillbilly type shitheels the EDL generally cater to, I've only ever conversed with the 'racialist' Stormfront types who believe people from the Caucasus (Stalin) aren't white because it's sort-of in Asia.

That's a thing apparently.

Racists move goalposts around? Stone the crows.

EDIT: this isn't meant to come off as a "ugh you thicko" or "everyone knows that" sort of thing

Chocolate Teapot fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Jul 12, 2012

# ¿ Jul 12, 2012 13:26

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

KayTee posted:

To quote Hugh from the other page Infiltrators gonna infiltrate

[edit for Tommeh ]

Without wanting to come across as incapable of reading between the lines, am I correct in summarising this as the EDF creating the circumstance to blame their violent tendancies and membership on an imagined infiltration by their number one boogeymen?

# ¿ Oct 3, 2012 13:00

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

KayTee posted:

Pretty much.

Violence at EDL Marches is never their fault. It's "The violent, fascist UAF" (actual quote - from the programe above, in fact) the MDL (Muslim Defense League - whoever the gently caress they are) or "Nazi extremist infiltrators (the reason for the bust up in Blackburn - totally not a cover for Tommeh being pissed at Snowey over owed money) or god knows what else they can come up with.

It wasn't them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmHD7aacY7k

Because table legs are loving boomrangs.

It wasn't them:

sussexenglishdefenceleague

It's ridiculously infantile blame-dodging.

Oh aye, yeah. Without wanting to be all educated superiority and the like, the language is a dead giveaway - a weird mix of select words replaced by instances from an on-hand thesaurus against drops of "muzzy scum" or "Gestapo" littered throughout. And then there's the above of Kev Carroll blustering through a radio interview not knowing how to convincingly toe the line before pushing himself into a slanging match without being able to empathise with opposing viewpoints.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2012 13:42

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

I can't help but see some horrible irony in them whinging about "stone age scumbags" against someone who was protesting against the horrors of the system. More likely that it was someone who looked foreign, how dare they etc.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2012 23:04

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

KayTee posted:

You know how the EDL get their knickers in a twist over unpatriotic, anti-british Muslims burning poppies?

What do you suppose their reaction would be to The Muslim Youth Association raising �20,000 last year, and hoping to raise more this year?

Well, here's your answer!

It's as stupid, racist and backwards as you think. Possibly more so.

"What are they trying to prove", commented a posturing racist, unironically

# ¿ Oct 30, 2012 19:17

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

Kurtofan posted:

This is surprising even from fascists.

Nah, not really. There's a distinct lack of humanity with regards to anyone who doesn't fit their worldview, even more so when the victims oppose them in their fantasy oppressed scenarios.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2012 14:02

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

Crashbee posted:

They're saying it's fake.

Quelle surprise!

# ¿ Dec 15, 2012 14:04

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

Filboid Studge posted:

�5 on a kiddie porn stash turning up.

I honestly hope that this doesn't happen, with respect to the possibility that such a find would take attention away from their actions of intimidation and scaremongering.

Heinzanova posted:

Seriously people is Red Watch really such a big deal? Since Red Watches's original inception and the odd window and nose getting broke, it's been a pretty pathetic attempt at intimidation considering the amount of photos, names and addresses they published, some of the photos are 10-15 years old.

People should not have to worry about being randomly attacked for making a comment against a particular way of thinking. But oh, it's just a broken nose. Oh, it's just a cracked rib. Oh, it's just a deadly arson attack.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2013 15:55

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

Stottie Kyek posted:

I don't understand the EDL. If Muslims are meant to be so evil, why do they have to make stories up to smear them? I'd assumed Tommeh and Kev were just falling for the tabloids' lies, but now they're making this poo poo up themselves?

It's probably some awful game of Chinese whispers taken to its logical (awful) conclusion with groups like this.

"I saw a story about some white girls getting raped by Muslims in Oxford"
"I heard that some Muslims raped a bunch of white girls"
"Some guy in the pub round the corner told me that Muslims rape white girls"
"Someone said that Muslims are loving kids in a pub round the corner"
"...but the government aren't saying anything"
"...but the council are keeping a lid on it"

etc. etc.

# ¿ May 16, 2013 17:21

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

In today's news of liberals cosying up to fascists, the BBC have been criticised by other media organisations for giving an "uncritical platform" to EDL leader 'Tommy' Robinson. Complaints will probably get binned, as is the norm with identified "twitter campaigns" against pro-fascist stances in the BBC, so bashing the fash seems like a good option with regards to the BBC's history on this sort of thing.

quote:

The BBC has been accused of giving an uncritical platform to the leader of the English Defence League, who was interviewed on the Radio 4 Today programme on Tuesday morning.

The interview was branded "ludicrous" by critics on Twitter who questioned why Tommy Robinson, who is not an elected representative, was invited on the flagship programme at all.

He admitted that the organisation has "completely questionable" tactics and said "the non-Muslim working class don't have a voice" and warned "it's not going to end pretty".

He also used the platform to deny his group was behind a blaze at an Islamic centre, which was daubed with the letters EDL, in London's Muswell Hill last week.

He told the programme: "If something was set on fire and someone wrote 'David Cameron' on the side of it, does it mean he did it?"

Robinson told presenter Sarah Montague he wanted "all aspects of sharia outlawed" in the UK and explained that the idea that EDL initials were written on a mosque by his members "seems ridiculous".

Former Labour MP Denis McShane said the BBC's interview was misguided. "Now Today provides non-critical platform for EDL. Has she [Montague] ever seen them close up? Heard their racist insults? Violence threats?" he said on Twitter, adding: "Sorry forgot EDL is a gentle, peace loving, outfit. Everytime I saw fascist thugs screaming abuse at non white citizens it wasn't EDL."

Al-Jazeera presenter and Huffington Post political director Mehdi Hasan also took issue with the BBC's decision to give Robinson a platform without counterbalancing discussion of his own background. "EDL leader claims to be a peaceful protester on the Today programme. No mention of his own history of violent behaviour on air."

The Mirror's political commentator Kevin Maguire also criticised the BBC. "Woeful @BBCr4today interview with convicted footie hoolie Stephen Lennon aka EDL's Tommy Robinson. He'll laugh all the way to next EDL brawl."

Other Twitter critics, including Louise Hutchins, said the interview was "irresponsible soft soap".

A BBC spokesperson said: "Today's programme looked at the recent rise in Islamaphobic attacks, such as the recent arson attack on a London mosque. The BBC has a responsibility to both report on the story and to try to offer insight into why it is happening. The EDL are a key part of the story and we believe it is important to reflect the fact that opinions such as those of Tommy Robinson exist. His views were challenged and we spoke to guests with alternative opinions elsewhere in the programme."

It is understood that the interview, which was recorded on Monday, was given the green light by the acting Today editor, Jasmin Buttar. It is not clear whether Buttar sought advice from senior news bosses, as is common procedure for potentially controversial editorial decisions.

Buttar was made acting editor of Today on 18 March, when Ceri Thomas was promoted to head of programmes for BBC News. Jamie Angus, the former editor of Radio 4's World at One, takes over as Today editor in September.

Kevin Marsh, the former Today editor, said the BBC was "absolutely right" to broadcast the interview but that the "tone and shape might have been wrong".

He said: "Holding your nose while you interview the 'quasi-unacceptable' is no substitute for sharp, precise, difficult questioning. And that, I think, might have been the problem this morning with Tommy Robinson � it wasn't a bad interview and I'd certainly have put it on air had I still been editor.

"But I might have been disappointed that we heard more of Robinson's view of the world than we heard it challenged. And, yes, I would have liked to have heard more of him trying to explain some carefully chosen precise details of his and his group's track records."

Marsh added that he was glad the interview did not descend into a "shouting match" between Robinson and Montague. "The bottom line for me, though, is that it's difficult to see how anyone hoping to understand Britain in 2013 can avoid having to get their head around a whole clutch of unpalatable realities," he said.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 17:10

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

DesperateDan posted:

It often stems from something unrelated-

A few years back a council (forget which one) told someone to take down a very tall flagpole because it breached planning permission. This was then reported to the local rag by the pole erectors as the English flag being banned because it offended muslims. The council responded, and it was cleared up, but only after the tabloids spun it around a bunch. Didn't stop the fash from then passing around the initial story as though it was a blanket ban for the entire UK.

I think it was in Liverpool, where the offending flag actually hung over Hardman Street, which goes uphill and thus it could block the view of the road, and possibly hit the double deckers which go up and down the road all day every day.

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Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

Gorilla Salad posted:

From the Ugly and Awkward thread in PYF - UKIP Youth.

Which naturally lead to this:

I thought it was pretty bloody hypocritical for the Telegraph to post this sort of thing when young Tories like these (excluding the first one) have existed since forever.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2015 12:31

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