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rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



I wonder if "Welp at the Furries" is available.

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Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

catsuit judo posted:

I am one stupid motherfucker. Thanks for all the responses, I literally had no idea you could replace enhancements like that. I saw that you could combine similar types and assumed that was all you can do, barring respecs or unslotters.

Don't feel bad, I thought it was the same way when I first started playing. I actually deleted a 12ish character because I thought I was locked into TOs forever. The prompt that pops up is kinda misleading.

"Spoilers Below posted:

Now I know I've been playing on this server too long. I keep reading it as "Well of the Furries"

You have all played my latest AE, "Cat: It's What's For Dinner", right?

Smuggins
Mar 14, 2008

Blasphemy! Blasphoryou! Blasphoreveryone!
Fun Shoe
If I wasn't coming back after a stint after Beta I would have been confused about overriding enhancement slots too. It was either this or Champions and this has a far better train wreck quotient now. First character out of the chute is the Zoo Master: Here to cage or destroy this furred menace! (Beast mastermind for whatever insult I can wring from it)

I think the last I played from Beta to expansion #10 or something, I almost wish I had my old account w/characters but I'm finding going in from level 1 is helping me catch up on all this extra junk.

I'll get my handle up when I have time to join up later in the week. (And when I find my handle I'm feeling kinda dumb)

catsuit judo
Jun 4, 2010

Yeah, if I used those unslotters I'd look even more stupid. Thankfully I am half poor so it's alright, and I'm glad I'm not the only one that screwed that up first time through.

By the way, I hit accept for the chat invitation and I can't join yet, I'm a free player. I'll be subbed in a few days, can I ask for a invite again this weekend?

edit: Yo Smuggins, go to menu and select 'chat handle' near the bottom of the list if that's what you're asking. I think it's the name of the first character on your account by default, but you can change it once.

Smuggins
Mar 14, 2008

Blasphemy! Blasphoryou! Blasphoreveryone!
Fun Shoe
^^^ Figured. I loaded this up late and only got 30 mins in so I figured I'd get it some time, only took 30 mins to decide to become VIP though. drat cheap fun.

Thanks for the assist!

Well if it's my first character then it's @Zoo Master
And I see no valid reason I should ever change it for a long time.

WhiteBoyShuffle
Nov 1, 2004
Well count me in for giving the free to play a shot. Needed something different to play, plus not having to pay is good enough for me.

Edit: Is there a power set I should look at starting out, or ones to avoid?

WhiteBoyShuffle fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jun 12, 2012

PUPPY PUZZLE
Jun 22, 2002

Smuggins posted:

^^^ Figured. I loaded this up late and only got 30 mins in so I figured I'd get it some time, only took 30 mins to decide to become VIP though. drat cheap fun.

Thanks for the assist!

Well if it's my first character then it's @Zoo Master
And I see no valid reason I should ever change it for a long time.

invited. not sure if you can chat, but there's that.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

WhiteBoyShuffle posted:

Well count me in for giving the free to play a shot. Needed something different to play, plus not having to pay is good enough for me.

Edit: Is there a power set I should look at starting out, or ones to avoid?

There aren't any bad archetypes, although you shouldn't be a defender if you don't like teaming. As for powersets, everyone has their own opinions, but IMHO. Mastermind/Beast Mastery is the only set in the game that flat-out sucks donkey balls. As a free player, you won't need to worry about that.

The only thing to watch out for is to avoid pairing two powersets that both use a lot of end. For example, making a Broadsword/Invulnerability scrap is probably a bad idea.

Free Headcrab
Jan 3, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Not just beast mastery but all masterminds suck.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!

Gynovore posted:

Mastermind/Beast Mastery is the only set in the game that flat-out sucks donkey balls.


OK Energy Manipulation is wrong, Gravity's a lot less poo poo than it used to be, and Pain Domination is missing but everything else is pretty much right.

I kind of wonder if MA will be good when they add that KB to KD thing even though its AOE is godawful.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jun 12, 2012

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

Free Headcrab posted:

Not just beast mastery but all masterminds suck.

Piffle. My Robo/Dark/Mace MM ate AVs for breakfast even before Incarnates came out. Thugs and Mercs are good, Zombies are cool looking but lack ooomph. Ninjas have lovely AI and paper-thin defense. I haven't played demons, but I've heard they're good, although the constant howling is incredibly annoying.

wid
Sep 7, 2005
Living in paradise (only bombed once)
Also note that when people say "suck" here is that they do not have the biggest numbers. The "good" power sets are pretty much overpowered when we're using other MMOG's standards. The rest are mediocre with very few notable ones being below par, as in you won't feel like a mini-god wrecking poo poo all over. Most folks who are not Tommy would pick a power they find to be "cool" or just pick powers for a character concept. Really, the main draw of this game is making characters and having fun with the concept, like running around with a Titan Weapon Brute looking like Tyrael, or an Electric Melee Scrapper based on a super obscure terriblr 1980s Indonesian superhero.

Even Beast Mastermind works if you just want to run around with a pack of dogs. As long as you don't mind everyone else being more useful than you. You won't get treated like a leper, like a bad class in other games.

Tom Powers
May 26, 2007
You big dummy!

catsuit judo posted:

I know I'll want to respec either build slot again by the early-mid 20s to use single origin enhancements, so is it more efficient to just do the team missions for the free tokens or buy some in the store?
It's INCREDIBLY HARD to mess a character up to the point you "need" to respec them.

I'd recommend, given it's your first time, download Mid's Character designer and just play around for a bit to see what's available in the long-run, or just play it as it goes.

Anyway long story short, you don't really need to respec your character often, we all make mistakes and this is your first time - but you only get 3 trial respecs (I think) and you don't want to have to pay for another, or use a respec recipe for money. Don't use em all up now! May as well use it when you're sure you'll be happy with the build for a while. You should be able to get much higher on whatever build you're currently using.

FYI, I usually use the second build when I reach 50, so I don't have to worry about respeccing the first one, as you'll almost always want different enhancement placement as you're leveling up, and sometimes even use different skills, maybe you've realized they're not that great in the end.


Edit: And, by the way, if you haven't figured it out.. DOs are 2x as powerful as TOs, and SOs are 2x as powerful as DOs. They increase in effectiveness depending on your relative level compared to them, up to +3 and down to -3, independent of the level of the enhancements. Running task forces isn't a bad idea if you've just slotted a shiny new round of enhancements at levels 17, 22, etc. Accolade powers are nice to build as you're leveling, as they grant you permanent bonuses to your character! If you know where you're going to put slots, also consider walking out of the store with a couple extra enhancements in your tray.


Tsurupettan posted:

I just had the silliest mental image of someone using unslotters on TOs. :v:
Those Praetorian origins. Yeah. After 22, or 24, or whenever they stop giving you the proc.

There was a thread about it in the Freedom beta. Everyone seemed to love the idea for a page or two...


OneEightHundred posted:



OK Energy Manipulation is wrong, Gravity's a lot less poo poo than it used to be, and Pain Domination is missing but everything else is pretty much right.
I think both Spines and Regeneration are good. While Regeneration doesn't help you kill stuff as much as some sets, it's very solid as far as staying alive goes.

wid posted:

Also note that when people say "suck" here is that they do not have the biggest numbers. The "good" power sets are pretty much overpowered when we're using other MMOG's standards.
I think it has more to do with the childish mindset that there's one "best" set out there, some awesome combination of powers or traits that make you ridiculously overpowered.

CoH is particularly bad about attracting people like that, assuming that there's some elusive powerset combination that nobody has thought of yet that's an invincible wrecking ball.

All in all, most sets have their pros and cons, but some are certainly underperformers, even sets that used to be great. You can just do so much with IOs now, a lot of what people used to love is just not as useful anymore.

Tom Powers fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jun 12, 2012

Hi
Oct 10, 2003

:wrong: :coffeepal:
The game is not balanced around IOs, itrials are made with the assumption that most people will be using IOs but ATs and skill combos arent balanced around them nor is 98% of the content in the game, so saying with enough IOs x is equal to y maybe true but its kind of silly.

The game is super easy no matter how you choose to play so just have fun and dont hate on how someone else chooses to play, unless they choose to play peacebringers or masterminds. Dont hate on goons that sperge out over multi billion influence IO builds, for the most part the people that are doing that are people that have been playing for years and have little else left to do but to try and make super efficient killing machines.

Hi fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Jun 12, 2012

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
I see a lot of kheldian hate, but what's the word on Widows and Fortunatas? I don't really see many of them.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

I see a lot of kheldian hate, but what's the word on Widows and Fortunatas? I don't really see many of them.
Night Widows crap damage, are stupidly easy to stack defense on because of Mind Link, and have slots to spare, but they have low HP with no resists so getting hit hurts a LOT and they also cook off endurance like crazy. They're also pretty handy on a team because their leadership skills are in-set and endurance discounted, and Mind Link owns.

Fortunatas are weird. Main thing that sucks is they are seriously starved for slots, completely unlike Night Widows. The psi blasts have horrible animation times but the melee attacks all redraw. I think you're better off meleeing for damage anyway. Mind Link has a longer cooldown than the Night Widow version. They get a lot of long-cooldown AOE controls and a mag 4 ranged stun which insta-stuns pretty much any boss that isn't a robot, tank, or mez resistant. Overall, they're OK, and :siren: dual-spec lets you have both on the same character :siren: so why not.

Also Mask Presence is only a 40ft stealth and mobs have 60ft of perception unless you smokebomb them so you might want to slot a stealth IO somewhere (I put one in Combat Jumping because a slot was worth never having to remember to toggle Sprint).


e: Okay no resists isn't entirely accurate, they have a fuckload of psi resist (20% from Foresight, 10% from Indominatable Will, 30% from Mind Link), and that's it.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Jun 12, 2012

PUPPY PUZZLE
Jun 22, 2002

Hi posted:

The game is not balanced around IOs, itrials are made with the assumption that most people will be using IOs but ATs and skill combos arent balanced around them nor is 98% of the content in the game, so saying with enough IOs x is equal to y maybe true but its kind of silly.

The game is super easy no matter how you choose to play so just have fun and dont hate on how someone else chooses to play, unless they choose to play peacebringers or masterminds. Dont hate on goons that sperge out over multi billion influence IO builds, for the most part the people that are doing that are people that have been playing for years and have little else left to do but to try and make super efficient killing machines.

pretty much. i say stuff is bad more to protect people who don't know any better, not to try to offend people who like it.

if you love your ninja/pain mastermind, by all means, rock that poo poo, but it's bad.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Pocket D - Lapine Noire posted:

Once a simple girl..who enjoyed Alice in Wonderland and anime, was granted a wish to make her fiction reality. With a little attatch of a bunny-tail to her hips, the bookworm Amie Dubois becomes a rather full-figured, almost porny looking femme with the powers to control time ..just like the March Hare, and the power to ....shoot lasers, just like in anime.

Amie is a rather pretty female with deep black hair, pink, plush kissable lips and a penchant for getting into trouble. In transformed state, her body is flawless, every inch of creamy-white skin perfectly detailed, slightly unlike her paler, real body. To transform, she has to place the littl e cotton ball she carries in her waistpouch ..right on the center of her butt.

Character is vulnerable to mental attacks if in normal state. Her control on her senses to deal with time control makes her extra-sensitive. Extreme pain or pleasure can ...restrain her. (MRP, ERP)

There's surprisingly few rabbit-people in CoX, but without fail every single one is an ERPer.

EDIT: Oh boy, this one's great.

Pocket D - Short Lived posted:

((Villians, Creatures of the Night, Demons, Devils and the like.... It can be hard finding a Victim when you need to get your Evil on but that's part of being Evil right? Right! Tired of the "I'll be a victim but don't maim, murder, hurt, scare or upset me!" ? - This character is for you. If hired it's yours for the duration you've hired it and you can do whatever you like with it. the player is not attached. After all, it's Short Lived! Can and Will build/costume it to suit - Male, female, human, mutant, - open to almost any character type. Limits are few and far between. I ask you pay for costume changes + tip based on duration. PST with what you want-P.S. Willing to do multishot/long term stories as well))

Moved to Paragon City with high hopes of hitting it big, I'm sure.

Cleretic fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Jun 12, 2012

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
"every inch of creamy-white skin perfectly detailed"

What the gently caress does that even mean

Tsurupettan
Mar 26, 2011

My many CoX, always poised, always ready, always willing to thrust.

OneEightHundred posted:



OK Energy Manipulation is wrong, Gravity's a lot less poo poo than it used to be, and Pain Domination is missing but everything else is pretty much right.

I kind of wonder if MA will be good when they add that KB to KD thing even though its AOE is godawful.

That's my character. :v: Also, I knew I forgot SOMETHING. I guess Pain Dom is just such a forgettable set. I put Energy Manipulation in there on purpose, though.

Pubbies get really, really mad over that profile.

ZombieParts
Jul 18, 2009

ASK ME ABOUT VISITING PROSTITUTES IN CHINA AND FEELING NO SHAME. MY FRIEND IS SERIOUSLY THE (PATHETIC) YODA OF PAYING WOMEN TO TOUCH HIS (AND MY) DICK. THEY WOULDN'T DO IT OTHERWISE.

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

I see a lot of kheldian hate, but what's the word on Widows and Fortunatas? I don't really see many of them.


Are Kheldian's available at 20 on the free play??

TalonDemonKing
May 4, 2011

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Gonna have to play this for reals tomorrow.

Tsurupettan
Mar 26, 2011

My many CoX, always poised, always ready, always willing to thrust.


You've only got rape on there once.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Soothing Vapors posted:

"every inch of creamy-white skin perfectly detailed"

What the gently caress does that even mean

It means every week she gets power-washed and vacuumed, then sprayed with Armorall.

Hi
Oct 10, 2003

:wrong: :coffeepal:

PUPPY PUZZLE posted:

pretty much. i say stuff is bad more to protect people who don't know any better, not to try to offend people who like it.

if you love your ninja/pain mastermind, by all means, rock that poo poo, but it's bad.

Yea, thats generally the assumption I roll with. Ive never had in the last whats it been like 4 or 5 years since we had to schedule STFs around lumberjerks schedule because they required a stone tank? anyway.. I havent had anyone say "drat this content is so hard, we better kick these less than optimal builds so we can get more powergamers in here".

It was more a shot at the guy above my previous post that suggested scrutinizing over the best builds for stuff was somehow childish. Some people like to play and argue that peacebringers bring more to a team then frustration, some people like to spend more time in mids than they do leveling their characters, what. ever.

DangerDan
May 31, 2011

FULTON: The Freshmaker
In my opinion, the only time rating powers matter is if it's on a set you plan to spend money/points on. If they release something like Candy Blast or whatever (or maybe DOUBLE DUAL PISTOLS) it's helpful to know that despite sounding cool this powerset is really mediocre and kind of painful to play. I have a Spines/Regen Stalker from when CoV first launched so if it's more painful than that it's worth noting.

Hi
Oct 10, 2003

:wrong: :coffeepal:
oops, did I drop this here?



easily my favorite part of i23.

Devi
Jan 15, 2006

CYCLOPS
WAS RIGHT

Cleretic posted:

"every inch of creamy-white skin perfectly detailed, slightly unlike her paler, real body'



Slightly unlike? How do you get paler than white? Is her real body translucent?


Since I started working full time I haven't had much time to play. But I think I may have figured out why I was lagging and I have to test that out. And punch things. Punching things would be good.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

OneEightHundred posted:

Fortunatas are weird. Main thing that sucks is they are seriously starved for slots, completely unlike Night Widows. The psi blasts have horrible animation times but the melee attacks all redraw. I think you're better off meleeing for damage anyway. Mind Link has a longer cooldown than the Night Widow version. They get a lot of long-cooldown AOE controls and a mag 4 ranged stun which insta-stuns pretty much any boss that isn't a robot, tank, or mez resistant. Overall, they're OK, and :siren: dual-spec lets you have both on the same character :siren: so why not.

My Fort is one of my favorite characters; damage, mezzing and team buffs, usually all at once. I didn't take the Mag 4 stun because it had a 3 second animation time, but the animation times for most other powers aren't bad. No resists except Psi, but it's easy to have softcapped defense.

Widows are like Stalkers with less ST damage, but more AoE damage and some buffs.

Hi
Oct 10, 2003

:wrong: :coffeepal:
http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/news/news_archive/featured_items_at_the_paragon_market_-_61212.php


:siren: Sci Fi costume on sale, rocketboards on sale. :siren:

Pez
Feb 28, 2002

Thanks to CoX, my stairs will be protected forever!
Every time I get out, they pull me back in

Hi
Oct 10, 2003

:wrong: :coffeepal:

Pez posted:

Every time I get out, they pull me back in

:getin:

Its time to dust off your peacebringers ya'll

WeX Majors
Apr 16, 2006
Joined for the archives
FINALLY. Now my Marvin The Martian character can actually be made!
Also, what powersets would work for Marvin The Martian?
Note I am *NOT* going Beast Mastery just to have a dog. This might be more because I can't color them Green.

Slung Blade
Jul 11, 2002

IN STEEL WE TRUST

That is so cool.

I propose a Mars Attacks style invasion.

Who's with me?


ACK, ACK ACK ACK

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

WeX Majors posted:

FINALLY. Now my Marvin The Martian character can actually be made!
Also, what powersets would work for Marvin The Martian?
Note I am *NOT* going Beast Mastery just to have a dog. This might be more because I can't color them Green.

Would have to be Beam Rifle. Go get it, it's on sale this week!

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
The Brain in a Jar is back in the Market...

Vasbyt-XXI
Jul 22, 2007

Slung Blade posted:

That is so cool.

I propose a Mars Attacks style invasion.

Who's with me?


ACK, ACK ACK ACK

I'm in. NO DOVES!

Slung Blade
Jul 11, 2002

IN STEEL WE TRUST

Vincent-XXI posted:

I'm in. NO DOVES!

I'll be home in 4-5 hours. Let's do this thing.

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rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



Screenshots must be taken in front of the doughnut in Faultline.

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