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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Divide et Impera is a great mod overhaul for it too

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I hear people talking up Divide et Impera for rome 2 but I look at their mod page and like the first thing they say is "2000 new units" and I'm immediately suspicious

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
They removed a lot of shared regional rosters and replaced them with unique ones.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


There are some shared units but many factions have their own version of things and there's also regional auxiliaries for each province based on the level of your main settlement building so if you go to Syria you can get excellent armoured archers and elephants and if you go to Rhodes you can get slingers or horse archers from scythia.
Then on top of that Rome and carthage can recruit buffed versions of regional units either as romanised auxiliaries or special mercenaries.

It's pretty cool and makes each army feel unique based on where they've been, you'll have the elite native units from your imperial core but also armies pulled from the areas you've conquered which in some cases might be even better. There's a population system that changes how each faction recruits based on the social class of their warriors mainly, and also means recruiting foreigners is practically free so strong native troops are very valuable.
Also each faction has one or more reforms they can go through which change their roster

Its very cool and the units are beautiful (shout outs to my favs pergamon and medewi) , the engine is showing its age though and turn times are rough but at least I usually find I'm having to spend some time between turns thinking about the campaign layer since it's a little more complex than warhams but not as crazy complex as some mods

I still play it every few months since there are always updates

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa
Playing around with DEI again and I think the campaign set to "normal" is almost as hard, or harder, than some Legendary campaigns in Warhammer.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Rome 2 is absolutely a great pickup. It's come a long way from the "the ships are tunnelling through the beaches" day's of the release.

chadbear
Jan 15, 2020

I love DeI but I also hate it because in every campaign I’ll eventually run into a reproducible crash during the AI turn and I have to end the campaign there.

Promontory
Apr 6, 2011
Played a campaign of Shogun 2 thanks to the tv show. The visuals, soundtrack and atmosphere are still great. Colourful armies look fantastic against green summer fields and it's neat to spot little battlefield dramas playing out.

What bothers me most on the strategy layer is the tech tree, where everything just takes far too long. This playthrough I aimed for matchlock samurai from the beginning, but was still 5 turns short when I finished the long campaign. If I had skipped the few economy techs I took, I might have trained some just in time for my victory parade.

At least in the later Three Kingdoms game it didn't seem too difficult to get to neat endgame units thanks to the retinue system.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
Yeah I’ve been feeling that same urge to replay Shogun 2. The tech tree just takes a long time in the base game, so you have to prioritize what you want. Playing as a Christian diamyo can be a good idea if you want to tech quickly, since they get big research bonuses from their Missions. The Otomo also get early access to matchlock units, which means they can field them more consistently.

A Perfect Twist
Aug 15, 2007

"What have I done? I'll have to start again. To forget and to disappear. I'll head north, far-north, to that big question mark, the Northern Territory"

Kaal posted:

Yeah I’ve been feeling that same urge to replay Shogun 2. The tech tree just takes a long time in the base game, so you have to prioritize what you want. Playing as a Christian diamyo can be a good idea if you want to tech quickly, since they get big research bonuses from their Missions. The Otomo also get early access to matchlock units, which means they can field them more consistently.

Pro tip: Get the shotgun cavalry. You won't regret it.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Yeah, the shogun 2 ai isn't good enough to justify the tech tree times. I found had to crank the difficulty up a bit to stop myself from rolling down the island with 3 armies (one on each side, one reinforcing whichever is weaker before splitting off to attack the middle of those 3 city sections)

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003

Nethalin posted:

Rome 2 is great. It's probably their most polished and easy to grasp, straightforward historical title. The graphics on a modern PC look excellent. The game design doesn't feel like it's aged at all. I think it's their best game that doesn't have elves in it.

Polished? Are you serious? It's still filled with serious bugs.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


i havent had issues with rome 2 in the past five years, but it sure as poo poo aint the best historical when three kingdoms exists

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


To be fair he said most polished. Not that it was polished.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

PirateBob posted:

Polished? Are you serious? It's still filled with serious bugs.

Like what? I didn't run into anything i'd consider serious the last time I played. Did I just get lucky?

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003

dogstile posted:

Like what? I didn't run into anything i'd consider serious the last time I played. Did I just get lucky?

How about the one where the AI often can't disembark correctly during the many battles involving amphibious/marine units, leaving ships motionless where you can't even attack them? It locks the battle and the only way out is to admit defeat even though you'd easily win it under normal conditions.
Or the one where AI units get stuck on gates.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Guess I got lucky, I didn't get that :shrug:

I did get one unit stuck on a gate but that was remedied by me firing a catapult at it, which unstuck them.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
I mean if your only gonna call a game polished if it has no bugs than A TW is never gonna clear that bar

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Wrong, FOTS is the most polished game in the world. Nobody can convince me otherwise.

kanonvandekempen
Mar 14, 2009
Edit: like an idiot, i posted in the wrong thread

kanonvandekempen fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Apr 9, 2024

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
I thought for sure it was just going to be abandoned, but they're doing one more content drop to turn Pharaoh into the Bronze Age game we were promised :toot:

On a bit of a Bronze Age reading kick lately so gonna definitely be picking it up now

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED
Surprised the whole thing is free but I guess with such a low install base it's probably better than trying to market a game purchase + $20+ DLC

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel
Steam is having a Total War historical franchise sale.

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/totalwarhistoricfranchisesale2024

I just reinstalled Medieval 2 maybe a week or two ago and have been playing that since it's my favorite. I don't like the city/province system they switched to after Shogun 2 (I think?).

SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010
For Shotgun and FOTS, are its respective DLCs worth it, or are they just kinda like Napoleon's wherein they're nice to have?

Also did something in particular happen with FOTS because it's kinda been savaged in reviews for being made a 'SAGA' title. Was there something more to that decision which has made people upset?

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
Nope, that's it. Still a fantastic game.

You can get by without the DLC. The sengoku jidai faction pack gives an interesting unique unit to each faction which can be nice to add a little variety, otherwise you don't need them.

Captain Beans
Aug 5, 2004

Whar be the beans?
Hair Elf
For Shogun 2 the DLCs that add new factions and new units (and are very cheap) are ok. There are plenty of fun factions and units without DLC, but since they are like 2 dollars each now its not a bad idea to buy them. The one that gives more unique units to each of the factions is the best single one to get (Sengoku Jidai DLC). Otherwise if you have never played Shogun 2 yet, then you probably don't need the Clan packs that add new factions because you still have a bunch of base campaign factions to play with that are new to you. The Rise of the Samurai DLC isn't great, skip that one.

FOTS is very highly regarded, despite the reviews. The poo poo reviews are a hold over from how CA tried to rebrand stuff into the 'Saga' category. It was originally DLC for Shogun 2 and then they broke it out into its own game. Regardless, its a lot of fun. Unless you don't like the mixing of traditional Samurai vs Gunpowder units and that transitional period of history. The DLC for FOTS is all just new playable factions with slightly different faction traits and different start locations. Totally optional.

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013

SkySteak posted:

For Shotgun and FOTS, are its respective DLCs worth it, or are they just kinda like Napoleon's wherein they're nice to have?

Also did something in particular happen with FOTS because it's kinda been savaged in reviews for being made a 'SAGA' title. Was there something more to that decision which has made people upset?

One of the biggest flaws of vanilla Shogun 2 is the lack of unit variety between factions and the DLCs address it somewhat by giving every faction a bunch of unique units (or addding new factions that already have a bunch of unique units). It's somewhere between "worth it" and "nice to have" depending on how you feel about unit variety in vanilla Shogun.

Never really noticed any FOTS DLCs, which I think speaks for itself.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
Rise of the Samurai has a lot of similarities to the base Shogun 2, but I’ve always found it to be one of the most tightly balanced and well-designed Total War games. Each unit and character has a purpose, they’re all useful and distinct, and there’s lots of different valid approaches to playing. While not as showy as the newer games that feature a bunch of visually different but fundamentally similar units, RotS focuses on mechanical diversity. Depending on the price it’s available for, I would certainly recommend checking it out.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Happily i don't play anything after Med 2.

Got Empire, Shogun 2 & Napoleon for cheap, but nowadays it's even cheaper if i don't buy it. :shrug:

feller
Jul 5, 2006


Just Another Lurker posted:

Happily i don't play anything after Med 2.

Got Empire, Shogun 2 & Napoleon for cheap, but nowadays it's even cheaper if i don't buy it. :shrug:

ok

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





Captain Beans posted:

For Shogun 2 the DLCs that add new factions and new units (and are very cheap) are ok. There are plenty of fun factions and units without DLC, but since they are like 2 dollars each now its not a bad idea to buy them. The one that gives more unique units to each of the factions is the best single one to get (Sengoku Jidai DLC). Otherwise if you have never played Shogun 2 yet, then you probably don't need the Clan packs that add new factions because you still have a bunch of base campaign factions to play with that are new to you. The Rise of the Samurai DLC isn't great, skip that one.

FOTS is very highly regarded, despite the reviews. The poo poo reviews are a hold over from how CA tried to rebrand stuff into the 'Saga' category. It was originally DLC for Shogun 2 and then they broke it out into its own game. Regardless, its a lot of fun. Unless you don't like the mixing of traditional Samurai vs Gunpowder units and that transitional period of history. The DLC for FOTS is all just new playable factions with slightly different faction traits and different start locations. Totally optional.

So since they split FOTS does launching Shogun 2 go back to the nice old title screen?

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009


Don't mind me, i'm just venting. :emo:

WrightOfWay
Jul 24, 2010


FOTS has always been sold as both standalone and as Shogun 2 DLC, iirc.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


SkySteak posted:


Also did something in particular happen with FOTS because it's kinda been savaged in reviews for being made a 'SAGA' title. Was there something more to that decision which has made people upset?

fots has always been very well regarded as a mini standalone game released as dlc

when CA started their "saga" brand of smaller TWs they retroactively made fots a saga title to give the brand some weight in a pretty cynical move.
and to point at it as an example of the concept done right "hey you liked it when we added guns to shogun 2, you might like it when we remove magic and monsters from warhammer"

then all the saga games were somewhat bad and seen as mostly a waste of time so they're roped into all the negative emotions surrounding CA

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

I'll die on a hill at Hastings for Thrones

Kly
Aug 8, 2003

i recently got 3 kingdoms and its great, im new to total war all together though and im wondering if theres a way to get my units to march together into a fight instead of my generals and horse units rushing ahead. they seem to go together some times but not others. they also always charged ahead of the siege equipment. do i just have to manually keep click them ahead as the ram/tower moves forward?

A Perfect Twist
Aug 15, 2007

"What have I done? I'll have to start again. To forget and to disappear. I'll head north, far-north, to that big question mark, the Northern Territory"

Kly posted:

i recently got 3 kingdoms and its great, im new to total war all together though and im wondering if theres a way to get my units to march together into a fight instead of my generals and horse units rushing ahead. they seem to go together some times but not others. they also always charged ahead of the siege equipment. do i just have to manually keep click them ahead as the ram/tower moves forward?

Hold ctrl and alt while having the whole army selected and move them in formation.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019
If you group your units they'll move at the same speed as the slowest unit. So an all cavalry group moves fast, mixed infantry and cavalry moves at the speed of the infantry, etc

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019
Specifically a locked group which will also maintain their formation exactly as it was when you locked it

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SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010

Communist Thoughts posted:

fots has always been very well regarded as a mini standalone game released as dlc

when CA started their "saga" brand of smaller TWs they retroactively made fots a saga title to give the brand some weight in a pretty cynical move.
and to point at it as an example of the concept done right "hey you liked it when we added guns to shogun 2, you might like it when we remove magic and monsters from warhammer"

then all the saga games were somewhat bad and seen as mostly a waste of time so they're roped into all the negative emotions surrounding CA

To be honest I am glad it's merely that and not some other horrible thing that's blighted the game. Appreciate the clarification posts on this and the DLC.

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