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Except Valve refreshes the Hardware Survey every few months so these folks would have to keep logging in to stay in the survey. This is a pretty pointless derail so I'm just gonna back to my original comment of "Microsoft has a lot of consumer education work ahead of them with Windows 8."
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If Windows 8 RT will include Office 15 RT Edition, and Windows 8 Pro doesn't include Office 15 Home & Student Edition, does that mean that the Surface with Windows 8 RT is (out of the box) more functional than the Surface with Windows 8 Pro? Adding the cost of Office 15 Home & Student Edition to the cost of the Surface with Windows 8 Pro will drive consumers looking for productivity away from the Surface with Windows 8 Pro, leaving a large number of unsophisticated consumers wondering why their Surface with Windows 8 RT doesn't run their genealogy software. The public relations shotgun is pointed in the wrong direction.
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Jun 19, 2012 03:08
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Chafe posted:Pretty much any recent video card, no matter how poo poo, can run DX11. The fact that 41% have DX11 hardware doesn't mean anything. All it means that people with Steam bought hardware recently. http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/ You have to go quite far down the list before you reach your first poo poo card (HD3000). 540m is arguably poo poo, but then again most laptops cards are, probably a lost of the 540m users are alienware m11x people.
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Jun 19, 2012 03:09
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Didn't they announce a keyboard cover that has an actual physical keyboard?
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Jun 19, 2012 03:09
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At least with these tablets, it suddenly makes sense how Microsoft designed Win 8 to be a tablet/desktop OS. I'm still not entirely sold on the idea and don't know if it's really a good one yet, but seeing how that keyboard/cover thing snaps on, suddenly it at least made sense what they were going for.
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Doomsday Jesus posted:Didn't they announce a keyboard cover that has an actual physical keyboard? Yes, there are two keyboard covers.
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Doomsday Jesus posted:Didn't they announce a keyboard cover that has an actual physical keyboard? Yes, there are both capacitive and physical Surface covers. It's a pretty smart move because it means that they can reinforce their "no compromise" messaging by allowing consumers to choose the Surface and keyboard combination that's right for them, rather than having to compromise with the parent company decides you should have.
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I am pretty much sold on the device. I am ready to replace my kindle fire and it looks like the RT model will do the trick. Can't wait for hard pricing and availability announcements.
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Jun 19, 2012 03:13
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I am really not liking the RT version. Tegra 3 is outdated and there's no sign that the mobile Windows app ecosystem will be any better than it is on windows phone. The pro version seems perfect though if they can get the pricing and release date right.
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Jun 19, 2012 03:15
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I really wish they had announced firm dates or pricing. As it is, this is a paper launch that I can't figure out who it's supposed to benefit. Win 8 itself is so far out.
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Jun 19, 2012 03:26
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I want to buy the hell out of the pro assuming it doesn't get terrible reviews and isn't outlandishly overpriced.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:I'm not sure the idea that some are expressing along the lines of "Hey this is great, I can be casually surfing in the park, then switch to productivity mode to get poo poo done!" is really being fully thought out. I've given this a lot of thought even before the Surface was announced. I've always wanted one that can do the following: 1) Take around as a tablet to watch videos on, game, read, etc while commuting and lounging around the house 2) Use take onsite at client locations to do field work. Must support a range of VPN clients, serial and ethernet connecitons (either direct or via a USB adapter). It needs to have a touchpad, and a decent keyboard, and be usable in awkward positions to make it practical to use in server closets, one handed while standing up, and so on. 3) Dock with a multi-monitor desktop setup, mirrored at home and the office) so I can have a traditional desktop work space. 4) Use during sales pitches to both take notes with stylus input, and connect to projectors to display, annotate, and collaborate on Visio documents. Previously, I'd have to get both a laptop and a tablet, for the obvious comsumption/production divisions, however with Windows 8 Pro, the division of tasks is no longer an OS problem. However, hardware becomes an area for concern, because: 1) The Surface may be clumsy to use as a laptop with the typing cover while in the field or on a train or something 2) The Touchpad on the Surface Type Cover may be a little weak I don't think that those are really valid concerns because I'm 100% sure that someone will come out with a Transformer like keyboard case that the Surface can lock into. There's already tons of them for iPads and Androids. In my workbag I already carry a regular laptop, so I'll just keep the keyboard dock in there, and when I carry my Surface around for casual use I'll just keep it on the smart cover, but if I need to do anything substantial, I'll either be at my desk, or carrying my work bag, and have what I need. The good thing is that all my data, notes, and email will be on device that I can just adapt to whatever situation I need. It's not uncommon to spend $1000+ on a work laptop, so if I have to buy a surface, and sink a couple hundred into accessories, it'll be completely worth it, and I'll still come out ahead (theoretically) than buying a work laptop (which I absolutely need) and an iPad.
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MrBond posted:I really wish they had announced firm dates or pricing. As it is, this is a paper launch that I can't figure out who it's supposed to benefit. Win 8 itself is so far out. Yeah, and announcing the keyboard like that is just asking for a knock off iPad version to come around and steal its thunder
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TheRevolution1 posted:I am really not liking the RT version. Tegra 3 is outdated and there's no sign that the mobile Windows app ecosystem will be any better than it is on windows phone. Except for the fact that Windows Phone has been its own platform, whereas Windows is Windows. People will upgrade, which means that developers will want to code Metro-style apps in order to get access to that market. It should also give a shot in the arm to Windows Phone app development due to the spillover effect, so it's a net win-win TheRevolution1 posted:The pro version seems perfect though if they can get the pricing and release date right. Agreed. A tablet with the tactile feel of a book? Sign me up.
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TheRevolution1 posted:I am really not liking the RT version. Tegra 3 is outdated and there's no sign that the mobile Windows app ecosystem will be any better than it is on windows phone. They never said Tegra 3.
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Nonsense posted:
That makes sense. They need to stoke interest over the next few months, so holding back some specs now to maintain the excitement is a smart move.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:1) The Surface may be clumsy to use as a laptop with the typing cover while in the field or on a train or something You should be able to use Windows 8 Speech Recognition for that. Just spend a half hour or so training your machine (not a tablet) to the sound of your voice, then have at!
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Jun 19, 2012 03:31
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CubanMissile posted:I want to buy the hell out of the pro assuming it doesn't get terrible reviews and isn't outlandishly overpriced. Yep, Microsoft is going to make or break both models with pricing. They've been pointing fingers at Apple for being overpriced for years, so they're going to have to come in enough below the new iPad and Air (vs. RT and pro respectively), especially with middling specs.
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dooTrieux posted:You should be able to use Windows 8 Speech Recognition for that. Just spend a half hour or so training your machine (not a tablet) to the sound of your voice, then have at! Seriously, use speech recognition on a train or other public place? COMPUTER. OPEN BROWSER. DOUBLE YOU DOUBLE YOU DOUBLE YOU DOT YOUPORN DOT COM. ENTER. CLICK ANAL.
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AppleCobbler posted:Yeah, and announcing the keyboard like that is just asking for a knock off iPad version to come around and steal its thunder There are already keyboard covers for the iPad.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:They never said Tegra 3. Not you, but seriously where is this  The Tegra 3 is underpowered thing coming from? Has it actually been confirmed or is it just idle speculation being presented as fact?
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dooTrieux posted:You should be able to use Windows 8 Speech Recognition for that. Just spend a half hour or so training your machine (not a tablet) to the sound of your voice, then have at! My friends and I do this with our phones all the time. We send text messages with the Voice to text features of our phones,and then never try to correct them. We just send it as is and left the receiver figure it out. It usually goes badly.
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I guess I question the utility of Surface. Why try and combine a laptop and a tablet, especially when it's extremely hard to do so without compromising each one's best features? I like the tablet for its combination of simplicity and portability: one device that's great for browsing and consuming. Similarly, I like the laptop for its combination of keyboard and portability: one device that's great for communicating and creating. Both have portability, so there's a link there. But how do you reconcile the amazingly simple input of a tablet with the exponentially more complex input required by a laptop? A stylus and keyboard cover don't really seem like a cure to this issue so much as band-aids. I don't know, I'm going to have to think about it more. And no, I'm not trying to start a war here. Just thinking aloud as to their strategy. At least they're bringing the hardware in-house. That alone tells me they're starting to think clearer. abelwingnut fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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Chasiubao posted:Not you, but seriously where is this I haven't seen it anywhere either, but honestly, the Tegra 3 is decent for right now, but come Q1 2012, it'll be ancient. Also, just to reiterate, they never said Tegra 3 anywhere, just "nvidia ARM processor." Abel Wingnut posted:I guess I question the utility of Surface. Why try and combine a laptop and a tablet, especially when it's extremely hard to do so without compromising each one's best features? I like the tablet for its combination of simplicity and portability: one device that's great for browsing and consuming. Similarly, I like the laptop for its combination of keyboard and portability: one device that's great for communicating and creating. I get what you are saying here, but what I think is that you have the screen from your laptop that you can use a tablet, and then pop it into a keyboard dock (I was thinking more like the ASUS transformer than the Type Cover) and have a full laptop. So for a slightly more than the cost of a laptop, but less than the cost of a tablet and a laptop, you get both, plus the convenience of only having to manage and charge one device, plus you can set it in a desktop dock and quickly have a regular desktop setup.
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People making GBS threads on Android tablets: Have any of you used an Asus Transformer? Keyboard dock has HDMI out, USB, storage slot, etc. Does everything I want in a laptop except play Diablo 3 and compile Python. I wish more Android tablets were like this, but for now there is only one and it's made by Asus.
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Matlock posted:A majority of laptops sold have that resolution, on 15.6" screens. It's perfectly acceptable on a 10.6" screen.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I haven't seen it anywhere either, but honestly, the Tegra 3 is decent for right now, but come Q1 2012, it'll be ancient. It basically has to be the tegra 3, the RT version is releasing on win8 launch, not 3 months later like the pro version. There's no time to put tegra 4 in it so the best they could do is a tegra 3 die shrink which still isn't that great.
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the posted:People making GBS threads on Android tablets: Have any of you used an Asus Transformer? the posted:I have an Asus Transformer. Lately it's been.. acting weird. I don't know if it's ever since the system update to ICS, but it's pretty close.
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dooTrieux posted:You should be able to use Windows 8 Speech Recognition for that. Just spend a half hour or so training your machine (not a tablet) to the sound of your voice, then have at! Edit: Doh Happy_Misanthrope fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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the posted:People making GBS threads on Android tablets: Have any of you used an Asus Transformer? Asus recently announced a bunch of Transformers for Windows 8 too. In ARM, Clover Trail, and Ivy Bridge flavors. And apparently the Ivy Bridge model also includes a discrete GPU in the keyboard dock.
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Abel Wingnut posted:Both have portability, so there's a link there. But how do you reconcile the amazingly simple input of a tablet with the exponentially more complex input required by a laptop? A stylus and keyboard cover don't really seem like a cure to this issue so much as band-aids. e: here is an article about it: http://gizmodo.com/5914357/windows-8-release-preview-hands-on-wonderful-and-kind-of-boring Syrinxx fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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the posted:People making GBS threads on Android tablets: Have any of you used an Asus Transformer? Asus announced a Win8Pro tablet the other day exactly like the Prime with a keyboard dock and stylus input that I'm very interested in. However its going to have some steep completion. Also I really like the type cover as a compliment to the laptop dock. I'd buy both as they each have a specific use case.
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Anyone know if any of the asus win8 tablets will have a 1920x1200 screen like the transformer infinity?
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the posted:People making GBS threads on Android tablets: Have any of you used an Asus Transformer? They've announced an x86/Windows 8 version of the Transformer. I'm pumped. I'd probably buy it over the Surface still, but that keyboard is smooooth. I'm not very excited about the Surface RT, but I think nobody really knows what it's competing against. Mid range 10 inch? The tech specs certainly don't seem to compete with the Ipad 3.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:You actually expect people to use speech recognition to control their PC in public? Please be joking. That's what the training is for.
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Are there any pictures of this thing running in portrait mode? I can't imagine it looking any good with the 16:9 aspect ratio.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I've given this a lot of thought even before the Surface was announced. I've always wanted one that can do the following: You've pretty much covered what I envision for this machine, except my focus is schoolwork. It's something that has "clicked" since I saw that Samsung(?) Windows 8 tablet demoed a few months ago. I share the same concerns as others in terms of how Microsoft is going to market this (I hope it succeeds because I think they've got something going here), how comfortable it'll be to use on my lap, etc. But I never really envisioned myself using this thing on my lap in laptop mode, and I see this as the answer to my "should I buy an iPad or an ultrabook?" problem.
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What's the point of the trackpad on the keyboard when you have a 10+in multitouch screen inches away?
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monkeyspank posted:What's the point of the trackpad on the keyboard when you have a 10+in multitouch screen inches away? Because reaching up from a keyboard to a touchscreen is an objectively terrible experience which makes your arm hurt after a few minutes. Seriously, try it now.
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