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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


This is more of a general cultural question but from what I understand 2chan is basically like 4chan from hell, except even worse in terms of its userbase. Is this accurate? Fat bigoted anti-social nerds, except now they're in a country where the baseline is significantly more misogynistic, racist and xenophobic than the US?

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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


On another topic, is there any political will in Japan at all to make immigration easier? Is the demographic situation sustainable politically or will they be forced to do something about it?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


This is somewhat unrelated, but how similar are Japan, South Korea and China culturally? I know China is complicated by it being less developed, and the government, but I have heard Korea at least has pretty much the same problems as Japan? China's demographics are already hosed up thanks to the one child policy, right? I'm assuming, then, that in 50 (30?) years China will be in the exact same spot?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Based on what I know of Japanese xenophobia and bigotry in general, I guess I don't see how constitutional pacifism is anything more than a technicality. If Japan wanted to go to war that clause would not stop it.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


double post, sorry

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Kurtofan posted:

How big are Japan's economic issues?

From what I understand Japan's economy per se is hosed up, but then consider that most of the rest of the world is hosed up too including the US, Europe, China, etc. It's probably worse but how much so is debatable. The aging population issue, strictly speaking, is separate. Although that distinction doesn't matter a whole lot in the end.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Ardennes posted:

Well it is connected in the sense Japan will have fewer and fewer workers (beyond just unemployment) which means likely less consumer spending and less people buying government debt through the Japanese Post office and banks. I think the difference between Japan and other parts of the world, is that theoretically you could have more sane economic practices in Europe and the US but Japan seems to set itself on a very specific course on practically a cultural level.


Madd0g11 posted:

Olds need to sell off their JGB to fund their retirements and the pool of buyers gets smaller since everyone is reducing their JGB holdings. The BOJ is basically buying half of the JGB already. Young people don't have as good employment or wages that they other generations had so they don't have money to buy JGB for their retirement/savings to keep the ponzi going. The government can default and be like lol sorry dudes go eat catfood because the people will probably be last on the list of things to pay back after the banks. So they do kind of all tie together.

Right, in the end they're the same, but the Japanese economy's structural problems on their own would probably be not that much worse than the EU/US if not for the whole everyone dying part

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Kenishi posted:

The birth & death rates in the US are very similar to Japan, same with marriage and fertility rates. The reason the US is handling it better is because they have way more immigration, be it illegal or not.

I've looked it up before, fertility in the US, France, and UK are much higher than Japan, mostly because of immigration and minorities, but other European countries are about the same as Japan and Eastern European countries might actually be worse.

edit: US/France/UK are around 1.9 children/woman, Japan/Europe is around 1.4. South Korea and Poland hit 1.2 :eyepop:

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Aug 28, 2014

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


LimburgLimbo posted:

Except these are good questions?

Well, except for the animu kawaii question

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


computer parts posted:

China is very good at developing feature clones even if they're highly protectionist.

And for S. Korea, at least Samsung isn't unusuably bad, although some people certainly do not like Touchwiz et all.

No Samsung is unusably bad, at least as bad as Japanese companies.

And I guess China is "good" if you consider malware "good"

whatever7 posted:

If you simply compare android firmware/skin/user apps, China > South Korea > Japan. Even lovely China OEM like Lenovo or ZTE have better software than Sony.

"Android firmware"

Lol

Japan also only has one company making Android phones, I'd say that's 99% of the reason there

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


computer parts posted:

Processes and organization is itself a skill (just a skill by a different person, me :v: ).

Actually it's kind of ironic that Japan's able to create an incredible revolution in organization and management for cars but not for anything else.

Well, software development has very different processes and organization than making cars, so it's not that hard to imagine

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Why would he resign? Is this some kind of Japanese thing with losing face or whatever? This shouldn't have to affect relations with China at all, in fact it might even be positive because it could redirect nationalist anger towards a third party who China also doesn't like

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


ErIog posted:

Abe hosed up big time, and Japanese PM's have resigned over less. The Japanese press caught Abe using the Charlie Hebdo massacre and the kidnappings to showboat and plug his reinterpretation of the constitution:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...&source=twitter

Then he also accidentally said he was going to pledge monetary support for fighting ISIS directly:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/25/japanese-government-error-may-have-two-hostages-lost-in-translation.html

After all of those mistakes, he was unable to salvage the situation by getting either hostage out safely. Abe's government is also party responsible for the first hostage to begin with as they detained the person that was supposed to be going to help the first hostage get released.

You don't seriously think there was ever any possible outcome other than "dude gets his head chopped off after months of horrifying torture", right? All the stuff about getting him out or ransoms or whatever was a bad joke at best. There was never a point when the Japanese government could affect that outcome

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Feb 2, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Disinterested posted:

Japan has to be one of the most poorly understood and idealised countries ever in a long list of contenders (read, every country ever).

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


It's easy to enforce all your labor laws when you don't actually have any

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


It's cool to see a blast from the past and a window into the mind of the American public's lizard brain circa 1985 but how about an actual book?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Is Japan's education system as bad as SK and China's?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/world/asia/japans-lower-house-passes-bills-giving-military-freer-hand-to-fight.html

quote:

TOKYO — The lower house of Japan’s Parliament passed legislation Thursday giving the country’s military limited powers to fight in foreign conflicts, something it has not done since World War II.

The lawmakers acted despite broad public opposition to the legislation, which has triggered Japan’s largest public protests since the aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear accident four years ago. Opposition lawmakers walked out of Parliament in an unusual symbolic protest against the package of 11 security-related laws, which was championed by the conservative prime minister, Shinzo Abe, and supported by the United States, Japan’s longtime ally and protector.

Demonstrators chanted noisily Thursday outside Parliament, despite a gathering typhoon.
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The laws represent a controversial break from the strictly defensive stance maintained by Japan in the decades since the war, under which it would fight only if directly attacked. Critics, including a majority of Japanese constitutional specialists, say the new laws violate the country’s postwar charter, which renounces war.

With opposition lawmakers boycotting the vote, the bills passed with the support of the Liberal Democratic Party, led by Mr. Abe, and its smaller coalition partner, Komeito, which control a majority of seats in the legislature’s lower house, the House of Representatives. They must still be approved by the upper chamber, which the coalition also controls.

Mr. Abe has spent considerable political capital pushing the bills through. Voters oppose them by a ratio of roughly two to one, according to numerous surveys, and the government’s once-high support ratings fell to around 40 percent in several polls taken this month.

“It is a huge mistake to set aside a constitutional interpretation built up by governments for 70 years without sufficient public understanding and debate,” Katsuya Okada, head of the largest opposition party, the Democratic Party of Japan, said before the opposition walkout.

The laws allow the Japanese military, known as the Self-Defense Forces, to cooperate more closely with United States forces, by providing logistical support and, in certain circumstances, armed backup in international conflicts.

Mr. Abe has presented the laws as an unavoidable response to new threats facing Japan, in particular the growing military power of China. “These laws are absolutely necessary because the security situation surrounding Japan is growing more severe,” he said after the vote.

Large crowds gathered outside Parliament on Wednesday night, after the bills were approved by a committee in an emotional and chaotic session. Opposition lawmakers held up signs saying “No to Abe politics” and tore notes from the committee chairman’s hand as he closed debate.

The crowd on Wednesday was estimated by protest organizers around 100,000, which would make it the largest antigovernment demonstration in Japan since protests in 2012 against the proposed restart of nuclear power plants, a year after the nuclear accident in Fukushima. The police had no official estimate of the crowd’s size.

A small number of protesters remained on Thursday under intermittent downpours from Typhoon Nangka, a huge storm bearing down on the western part of the country. They shouted “Shame on the Abe government” and “Don’t send young people to war.”

I guess Abe's getting around having to do a constitutional amendment by just ignoring the constitution outright?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Internet says an amendment just requires a supermajority in both houses plus a simple majority referendum. That doesn't seem that much worse than the standard parliamentary constitution amendment of just a supermajority in both houses. Significantly easier than the American one anyways

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


A big flaming stink posted:

what are they going to do, vote for someone other than the LDP? Abe knows he's the only game in town so why give a gently caress about something as silly as the will of the electorate

the JCP :ussr: :china:

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


I think China is just fine justifying rearmament with its massive persecution complex and using western and Japanese imperialism as a blank check to do whatever they want

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Nessus posted:

I don't know how the system works in Japan but could they pass a bill basically saying "BTW, the JSDF is allowed to do those things," or something?

They just did that. It's technically unconstitutional though, and arguably the JSDF in itself is unconstitutional and has been since 1954.

ReidRansom posted:

Japanese people support the law because it is the law. If the constitution said something else, people would support than instead.

It's interesting how the Japanese people seem to have agency when they're neonazis and are thus responsible for their beliefs but when they're pacifists they're just dumb borg drones repeating what their superiors told them

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


How do they think China got its permanent on the UN security council, AKA the WW2 Winner's Club?

They (or at least the RoC) probably deserve it more than the collaborator French

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Aug 16, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


So at what point do Japan's demographics start enough of a freefall to either force the government to actually fix things, or for the country to go full on Mad Max? I take it Japan has already hit the point of no possible growth economically, I feel like this can't go on much longer. 5 years, 15, more?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Grand Fromage posted:

I just wonder if it's really as bad as it's always portrayed. I feel like I've been reading about Japan's economic disaster and imminent collapse for 20 years now and nothing seems to be happening.

Maybe this is dumb but it seems like if the country is growing, the economy has to grow to keep up with the standard of living. But if your country is stagnant or shrinking, do you need economic growth to keep the current level of prosperity? I'm not making an argument, I don't know.

Japan hasn't actually literally been stagnant since 1990, they hosed up the response to the early 90s recession pretty bad but they did return to mild growth for a while in the late 90s and 2000s up to '08. Plus that's just GDP, incomes also continued rising faster than GDP growth for a while. 1990 is just when the US realized that they weren't magic Oriental supermen who were going to take over the world and the country dropped from the US consciousness to be replaced by bombing Arabs full-time

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Nov 27, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Not denying Japan is hosed up, but it's still always cool to see purestrain orientalism about the true nature of the cruel, inscrutable fascist Japanese

Rekinom posted:

multicultural nation ... France

France: notably successful at assimilating minority ethnic groups, as we've seen in the news lately

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Dec 3, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


ocrumsprug posted:

There is a reason you can (well Japanese can) still tell whose family immigrated from Korea a couple of centuriesmillenia ago.

that's all japanese though :smugdog:

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


ErIog posted:

If what they posted was "purestrain," you must be living in a world free of most forms of exaggeration, and I envy you. Stop being silly. Japan's not super friendly to immigration. Immigration on a much larger scale would solve a lot of problems. These things are facts. They are the most mainstream of mainstream opinons on this topic, and jumping all over them for stating them in a way you didn't care for is just stupid tone policing bullshit.


The part where, "until they tell you," is pretty salient here since most of them survive by just letting everyone assume their family has been in Japan since the beginning of time. So if you mean, "people who can 100% become indistinguishable from Japanese people to Japanese people" have an okay time of it then yeah, I guess you're right.


The "in a million years" kind of phrasing was probably an overstatement, but beyond that it didn't seem too off the mark.

The idea that Japan, or the Japanese ruling class cares so much more about 'the Japanese way of life' than anything else that they would literally rather waste away into nothing than allow a single drop of non-Yamato blood on their island is a massive [citation needed] and also racist and orientalist yeah, sorry. You're talking about a country whose almost sole objective since 1870 has been development and catching up to 'the West' culturally, militarily and economically. You're already seeing Abe and friends desperately pulling on the lever to put more women to work to try to revive the economy, even with Abe being about as close to a cartoon fascist as you'll ever get. At the same time, obviously, they're also racists who would rather not have foreigners around and would rather have women stay at home making babies where they belong, but to say that they don't care at all about things like GDP is in direct contradiction to like 150 years of Japanese history and does in fact reek of orientalism, especially when you contrast it one sentence later to the rational, white Western Wall Street stockbroker

quote:

It's like asking who is more successful, a hedge fund manager on Wall Street, or an enlightened Buddhist monk. Two completely different value systems.

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Dec 3, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Is the Korean political right as awful as the Japanese? I suspect it is, but just to confirm

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Dec 29, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


caberham posted:

Sure Japan has apologised, but it doesn't help Japanese relations with its neighbours when its Prime Minister is part of a massacre denial group

Issuing an apology and then going to Yasukini the next day with a bunch of law makers will make people mad. And you get poo poo like this

Yeah but by this point surely the Koreans understand the Japanese right is never going to drop the revisionist idolization of the pre-1945 regime. If their plan is to never ever ever work with Japan that's fine but then the demands for apologies are sort of just concern trolling. The Japanese right would have to denounce the entire Imperial period, its society and political regime, and they're never going to do that

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Dec 29, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


caberham posted:

Kill all right wingers. Thanks. Oh and the Chinese communist party are secretly fascists.

I agree, but it would be nice to have more detailed knowledge about the ideological character of Korean politics. I don't know very much beyond the whole dictatorship thing

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Dec 29, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


shrike82 posted:

you always hear about the racism between the Chinese/Koreans/Japanese, what're the racists' views on other Asian countries such as Taiwan and SE Asia?

They (meaning East Asians) don't like brown people. The browner they are the less they like them. So you get a sort of sliding spectrum from NE Asia down to India, from what I've read

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


wdarkk posted:

I guess this answers my question, which was going to be "why doesn't the right wing obsess over the period where Japan was doing OK and not the period where they bit off way more than they could chew and then got all their poo poo wrecked?"

1870-1945 is a long time period, they only really bit off more than they could chew in invading China. They probably could even have gotten away with taking Manchuria if they hadn't invaded China thereafter

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


LimburgLimbo posted:

Yep, up until the Mukden incident Japan wasn't really doing all that bad. Again typical imperialist bullshit but very much a norm for the time. Like literally everything that Japan is demonized for happens after the political breakdown of Japan and the Mukden incident when poo poo went crazy with direct military invasion into China.

Well, there's also Korea, Taiwan, and the whole right-wing authoritarian ideology that animated the modern Japanese state from very beginning up to the war. The point is that the problem with modern Japan/the Japanese right isn't just in its recognition of events that happened between 1937 and 1945, it's the entire 1870-1930 period

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Dec 30, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


If the issue is ultimately a moral and not a legal one how would a stronger legal setup for reparations change anything? The Japanese right would still be revisionist, even as it paid out the legally mandated sums. The basic issues is that the Japanese right are revisionists, and the German right is not. Legally binding agreements will not change that, the whole issue is a distraction. If South Korea decides they don't want to deal with Japan so long as the Japanese right are revisionist that's entirely their right, but they should just come out and say that instead of playing this neverending game where they demand and Japan accedes to legalities and formalities that both of them know aren't going to change anything

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jan 23, 2016

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Ran Mad Dog posted:

I hope they're having a good time now rolling around in the poo poo of their one party state. :shrek:

They have been, for the last 70 years

Speaking of which, how much of the JSP never getting into power in the postwar period had to do with their political positions? From what I am reading they basically refused to moderate from full demilitarization/geopolitical neutrality and full socialism. Wiki says they recognized NK as the legitimate Korean government until 1990. Compare to say the German SPD post-Schuhmacher, which more or less dropped those planks and accepted alliance with the US and welfare liberalism. Why did the JSP not do that? Seems like an unwise choice to me, as the result was single-party LDP government. Of course, the CDU was pretty dominant in postwar Germany as well, so who knows

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Feb 19, 2016

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Stringent posted:

Or burakumin as mayor of Osaka.

not like that!

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Japanese politics is kind of too depressing to really talk about. Here's a good youtube series that summarizes the week's news run by some expat lawyers and NGO people:

https://www.youtube.com/user/langleyesquire/videos

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 13:59 on May 26, 2016

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


ErIog posted:

They're not "my concerns." I'm not going to put together a policy document for you. I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not going to pretend I know how to fix it.

Thankfully, there are actual lawyers who have written about this very topic that you can go read the opinions of if you bother to Google. The first article I linked makes some good points about Japan not playing fair when it comes to reciprocity with the New York bar, and I'm sure there's lots of other lessons to learn from how more open countries have implemented their law licensing.

Law licensing in Japan is a protectionist racket by design. That protectionism has a disproportionate impact on foreigners. There's more lawyers in single states of the US than the entirety of Japan. It has nothing to do with language. A person motivated enough to want to be a Japanese lawyer would probably be able to learn Japanese just fine. Learning Japanese would probably be the easier part of their study.


The parts of Phoenix Wright that were cut/pasted from the Japanese legal system would horrify you.

Japan doesn't have an adversarial common law system, I don't know how many lawyers it should have relative to the US. Compare it to France or Germany

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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


DP was expected to lose seats, they did less bad than they could have.

Also the DP and the Communists backed each other's candidates in the districts depending on which party's guy had a better chance, which is the first time that's ever happened and a big reason why the LDP didn't sweep more. Historically the Communists have run their own candidate in every district even if that meant splitting the non-LDP vote and handing it to the LDP

The election could have gone better but the LDP doesn't have 2/3 even with Komeito, who are opposed to constitutional amendment, and that was a real possibility going in. With this result it looks like the DP might be able to rebuild itself and win 2018, possibly sooner if Abe's administration implodes, and even more likely if the Communists are willing to cooperate now. Of course they probably won't because Japan lol, but in terms of Japan-adjusted expectations this election was not bad at all

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Jul 11, 2016

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