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Here we go, found the article about it. Looks like I was off.quote:As odd as it is to see Nobunaga and other historical figures paired up with cute little Pokemon for overhead strategy in Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition, just imagine if they'd been paired up in a high speed action slasher ala Dynasty Warriors. We may have gotten Pokemon meets Dynasty Warriors had Tecmo Koei's original collaboration idea gone through.
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Since I last posted in the previous DW thread, I've picked up DW7 for the PS3 and DWNext on the Vita. Holy hell I'm completely engrossed in both games. It's like scratching an itch I didn't know I had. I love the vaguely historical element to the games and always have Wikipedia up for quick references on characters/officers I come across on the battlefield. In DWNext, I especially like the gameplay feature of capturing smaller bases to support my army. The touch-screen "conflicts" aren't alot of fun but are over quick enough to not bother me. With that said, I'd like to try out other games in the franchise or even style, and so I've been looking at Bladestorm, Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes, and Warriors Orochi 3. The price for WO3 is a bit off-putting since I only paid about $25-30 for the two DW games I picked up. Any recommendations on where I should go next? Also, does anyone know of a good book that goes through early Chinese history that isn't ROTK, perhaps something a bit more contemporary? I appreciate any suggestions, I know I'm just asking alot of questions at this point. 
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Jul 17, 2012 04:42
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I'm still a bit weirded out about how Tadakatsu looks so vastly different in Pokemon Conquest from how he does in the SW games. The others look about the same (though a tad more anime-ish) but Tadakatsu's square face is just really bizarre. Also wish Toshiie had been in it, he's one of my favorite characters.
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Jul 17, 2012 04:42
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Twelve by Pies posted:I'm still a bit weirded out about how Tadakatsu looks so vastly different in Pokemon Conquest from how he does in the SW games. The others look about the same (though a tad more anime-ish) but Tadakatsu's square face is just really bizarre. If only Donphan was in the game then Tadakatsu would probably look pretty normal.
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Jul 17, 2012 06:02
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LoudLoudNoise posted:Also, does anyone know of a good book that goes through early Chinese history that isn't ROTK, perhaps something a bit more contemporary? (I can on the other hand hook you up if you want to see a hella lotta different takes on the ROTK/DW plot NOT done by KOEI...)
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Jul 17, 2012 06:06
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Chortles posted:Define "early Chinese history" yet "a bit more contemporary" here? Oh I meant something written in the past 20-30 years about the Three Kingdoms era instead of a literary classic written over six hundred years ago (Romance of the Three Kingdoms).
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Jul 17, 2012 06:48
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At this point, that's a LOT of anime and manga that would fit your definition, unless you meant actual prose? Note though that (not surprisingly) most of that is coming out of Japan, but for more recent stuff from a Chinese perspective I would suggest Chen Mou's The Ravages of Time manhua and 2010's live-action TV series Three Kingdoms, both of which take great amounts of creative license for the in-my-opinion better. For example, from the TV show there's Guan Yu encountering Cao Cao after Chibi (seriously these subsequent 8 minutes are great melodrama), and Liu Bei's wedding night to Sun Quan's sister ("Little Sister Sun" in the show, as her given name is unknown to history and KOEI merely popularized Shangxiang). Be advised, Liu Bei is drunk throughout that entire second scene...
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Jul 17, 2012 08:07
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Has anyone else noticed that at least in Orochi 3, if a tank bumps into you in the middle of a musou attack just stops your attack cold, even mid-animation? It's the weirdest thing to see, and annoying when it results in death like it did just now.
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Chortles posted:At this point, that's a LOT of anime and manga that would fit your definition, unless you meant actual prose? Note though that (not surprisingly) most of that is coming out of Japan, but for more recent stuff from a Chinese perspective I would suggest Chen Mou's The Ravages of Time manhua and 2010's live-action TV series Three Kingdoms, both of which take great amounts of creative license for the in-my-opinion better. I greatly recommend the 2010 Three Kingdoms TV show and greatly don't recommend The Ravages of Time. It's way too off the wall, and I'll admit that I only read the first chapter, but drat, it's a hosed up chapter.
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Jul 17, 2012 18:35
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Double posting to get some news in here: Playstation store updating a bit ago with some Warriors Orochi 3 updates: Playstation Blog posted:Warriors Orochi 3 – Dynasty Trad Costume ($2.99) I really wish I could transfer over my costumes and music packs from DW7:XL. Also this pricing seems strange. Why is one Stage Pack more expensive than the other? Why are 2 songs a 2 dollar DLC? I know their like the best songs in Orochi but really? Belzac fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 20:16
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Belzac posted:I greatly recommend the 2010 Three Kingdoms TV show and greatly don't recommend The Ravages of Time. It's way too off the wall, and I'll admit that I only read the first chapter, but drat, it's a hosed up chapter.  amounts of strategizing and intrigues.
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Jul 17, 2012 21:45
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Alright, I finally got to Chapter 3 in WO3, and now I think I'm stuck. There's only one mission unlocked and I beat it, but still got zip. Am I missing something or does it lie in the relationship missions? EDIT: Nevermind, looks like I somehow didn't notice I was playing on Free Mode. 
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Jul 18, 2012 03:22
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I have an opportunity to buy Sengoku Musou 3 Z for $30 at the local import shop, should I take it, or will it just bore me compared to Orochi 3?
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Jul 18, 2012 19:48
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Samurai Sanders posted:I have an opportunity to buy Sengoku Musou 3 Z for $30 at the local import shop, should I take it, or will it just bore me compared to Orochi 3? $30? gently caress, buy it anyway. I paid $80 new for my copy.
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Jul 18, 2012 20:12
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Policenaut posted:$30? gently caress, buy it anyway. I paid $80 new for my copy.
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Jul 18, 2012 20:52
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Samurai Sanders posted:Well I mean, I asked because the reviews on amazon.jp were not favorable, some people said it was missing that special something that (some) other musou games have. Do you think so? Hmm... Well, my opinion on it might be a tad tainted. I came into it mere days after investing 300 hours into Sengoku Basara. If I had to judge though, I'd say it feels empty? The maps feel really big and empty with not much detail unlike say DW7.
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Jul 18, 2012 23:26
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Policenaut posted:Hmm... Well, my opinion on it might be a tad tainted. I came into it mere days after investing 300 hours into Sengoku Basara. If I had to judge though, I'd say it feels empty? The maps feel really big and empty with not much detail unlike say DW7.
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Jul 19, 2012 00:00
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Wow, compared to any other games I have played, allied generals go down crazy fast in Sengoku 3. Other than that it seems like the normal deal, except for carrying items rather than finding them in the field.
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Jul 19, 2012 01:57
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Samurai Sanders posted:Wow, compared to any other games I have played, allied generals go down crazy fast in Sengoku 3. Other than that it seems like the normal deal, except for carrying items rather than finding them in the field. Do they at least refrain from screaming for help every minute whenever faced with something more threatening than a gate guard? I got really sick of that in SW2.
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Jul 19, 2012 02:56
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SirPhoebos posted:Do they at least refrain from screaming for help every minute whenever faced with something more threatening than a gate guard? I got really sick of that in SW2.
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Jul 19, 2012 02:58
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Chortles posted:At this point, that's a LOT of anime and manga that would fit your definition, unless you meant actual prose? Note though that (not surprisingly) most of that is coming out of Japan, but for more recent stuff from a Chinese perspective I would suggest Chen Mou's The Ravages of Time manhua and 2010's live-action TV series Three Kingdoms, both of which take great amounts of creative license for the in-my-opinion better. Actually I'd love to check out films or television series about the Three Kingdoms. I'll look into Three Kingdoms since the stories should be expansive (by nature of being a television show). Thanks!
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Jul 19, 2012 03:56
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Be advised that this TV show does use a bunch of creative license (i.e. Xu You appears a lot earlier than he does in the novel and in his one-off cameo in DW7), but also that characters use styles/courtesy names and titles A LOT. Fortunately a character's first appearance in a given episode usually has their style alongside their name, i.e. "Zhuge Liang styled Kongming", and context will usually signify the titleholder, i.e. Sun Quan sometimes being addressed as the Marquis of Wu (Wu hou) or Cao Cao as His/Your Excellency (chéng xiàng). Heck, Sun "Shangxiang" is simply "Little Sister Sun" (Sun Xiaomei) in the show.
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Jul 19, 2012 04:19
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Also be advised that episode eighteen is a legit tearjerker. "My land, my beautiful land." 
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Jul 19, 2012 04:31
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Err Chachi, I'd say that the series is FULL of tearjerkers... such as its version of Sun Jian's death.
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Chortles posted:Err Chachi, I'd say that the series is FULL of tearjerkers... such as its version of Sun Jian's death. Good lord that show makes Huang Gai look like such a badass. 
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Chortles posted:Fortunately a character's first appearance in a given episode usually has their style alongside their name, i.e. "Zhuge Liang styled Kongming" Having read the novels I'm already used to most of the style names! But I'm definitely going to have to watch the TV series, that looks great. Just played a couple of the new DLC stages for WO3. The one where Keiji beats up people to take their theme songs is fantastic. By the way, can anyone explain exactly what the difference is between Story and Free Mode on WO3? At first I thought Free Mode would be like how WO2 was, where you kept experience gained in a stage even if you were defeated (but not items or weapons) but apparently this is not the case, so I really can't see what difference there is other than "Free Mode doesn't advance the story" but since I've finished the story anyway, it just seems useless unless there's something I'm not noticing.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Having read the novels I'm already used to most of the style names! But I'm definitely going to have to watch the TV series, that looks great.  (For those only knowing the story from DW, this is set before Sun Quan's decision to ally with Liu Bei before Chi Bi.)
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Jul 20, 2012 02:59
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Chortles posted:"Cao Cao has a strange fetish." I want to piggyback on this post and add that fans of Lu Su will love his portrayal in this series. He just dunks on everyone and it's pretty clear that he could have run rings around basically the entire Sun family were he a less honest person.
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Jul 20, 2012 06:13
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Twelve by Pies posted:Having read the novels I'm already used to most of the style names! But I'm definitely going to have to watch the TV series, that looks great. It's just a way to play the stages without the cutscenes before or after missions. It also doesn't advance the story.
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Chachi posted:I want to piggyback on this post and add that fans of Lu Su will love his portrayal in this series. He just dunks on everyone and it's pretty clear that he could have run rings around basically the entire Sun family were he a less honest person. I always played as Lu Su in ROTK 7/8/10 because he was kind of a naive goof in the '93 series. So good for him; can't wait to start watching the 2010 version for this. I'd also like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude for this thread convincing me to try out DW7. It's definitely scratching an itch I didn't realize I had. I'll have to pick up Xtreme Legends sometime before the summer ends.
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GANDHITRON posted:I always played as Lu Su in ROTK 7/8/10 because he was kind of a naive goof in the '93 series. So good for him; can't wait to start watching the 2010 version for this.
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Is it intentional how much rear end Gracia kicks when on a horse versus on foot, relative to other characters? Is there something about her backstory that suggests that she's a horsemaster or is it just a weird quirk to how her attacks were designed? edit: in Samurai 3 I'm getting a reoccurring bug where enemy generals aren't where the map says they are. To be more specific though, they are fading in and out of view, like the dimension that they are in is passing in and out of phase with mine, it's kind of creepy. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Jul 20, 2012 |
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Gracia on Horseback has always been a roaming death machine, in all of her appearances. Zhou Tai in his DW5-style incarnations was also death on a horse despite no horseman styled backstory. It only really makes sense on Ma Chao.  Gracia's back story is that she is Mitsuhide Akechi's daughter who after his death was sent off to a remote location. She converts to Catholicism after Hideyoshi outlaws it, Mitsunari Ishida tries to capture her as a hostage, her retainers kill her and them themselves, because suicide is a sin in Catholicism. Being a Christian of course, means KOEI decides to make her a magic hurling sorceress. This is why these games are stupid awesome.
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:Gracia on Horseback has always been a roaming death machine, in all of her appearances. Zhou Tai in his DW5-style incarnations was also death on a horse despite no horseman styled backstory. It only really makes sense on Ma Chao. My first experience with her, was with the 3DS Samurai Chronicles, and my impression was she was some absurd, fluffy, fisticuffs / gymnastic type. I thought it was loving bizarre, because I was aware of the really tragic history of the real Gracia. I've also not been able to get past thinking of Nobunaga as Soundgarden's Chris Cornell, tearing up Japan. But that one's on me.
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:Gracia on Horseback has always been a roaming death machine, in all of her appearances. Zhou Tai in his DW5-style incarnations was also death on a horse despite no horseman styled backstory. It only really makes sense on Ma Chao.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that Nobunaga has magic powers because he was also interested in foreign sorcery, i.e. Christianity. I don't think there's any rhyme or reason to it as Aya is a pretty classical sorceress but has no connection to Christianity that I know of. Maybe just being religious at all gives you magical powers...but Nobunaga is shown as being pretty anti-religion in most of his appearances and especially when fighting against the Ikko.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that Nobunaga has magic powers because he was also interested in foreign sorcery, i.e. Christianity.
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Also I'm pretty sure his interest in Christianity was based on the fact that the Christians had all the guns.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that Nobunaga has magic powers because he was also interested in foreign sorcery, i.e. Christianity. It's not just sorcery, it's EVIL sorcery at that.
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:Gracia on Horseback has always been a roaming death machine, in all of her appearances. Zhou Tai in his DW5-style incarnations was also death on a horse despite no horseman styled backstory. It only really makes sense on Ma Chao.
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