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Z the IVth posted:
He'd been the Emperor since...the start of the Unification Wars, I guess? Maybe a little before that? But even in the role of the Emperor he still had some amount of empathy, mercy and compassion, and he expelled those before the last battle. I'm kind of curious, since prayer functions as a form of nourishment for Warp entities, if they're going to say that all the prayers of humanity for mercy and salvation have been going to the Star Child for the past ten thousand years, rather than the Emperor on the throne.
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My read on the emperor is a lot of these concepts discussed aren’t very relevant to him. If the shaman mass-suicide origin is still canon, he’s more of a soul gestalt than anything else, so any concept of individual identity may or may not have any bearing on him. To me, it also explains how he can shuck off various personality traits. It’s the whole dropping bits of itself. No real point in this musing, I just don’t think these are questions that need explicit answers.
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Apr 18, 2024 14:34
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The Emperor can transition to and from an infinite forms at will.
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Apr 18, 2024 15:28
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Logar is potentially the most dangerous thing in the setting depending on what he's doing with that library of enuncia he's been collecting for the last 10,000 years quote:Some nerd on reddit posted: quote:Right before this though, an Ecclesiarchy priest named Hodi got into an argument with one of the Word Bearers over the presence of a disruptive Pontifex. During this argument, Hodi implied that Lorgar has mastered Enuncia so thoroughly that he is able to create new words of power, something even the Emperor can't do.
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Apr 18, 2024 17:20
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I feel myself getting Mad About Enuncia.
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Apr 18, 2024 21:05
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Lorar is the once and future jobber
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Apr 18, 2024 22:01
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I think that post wildly misinterprets a few lines in Pariah. Lorgar has been writing scripture pretty much continuously since before the Heresy. His writing is sometimes called the Word of Lorgar (the Word Bearers bear the Word). There’s no hint that he’s building some kind of secret Enuncia vocabulary or making new Enuncia. In fact Enuncia words are called “unwords” in the text, not capital-W Words.
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Apr 18, 2024 22:13
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I think that post wildly misinterprets a few lines in Pariah. Lorgar has been writing scripture pretty much continuously since before the Heresy. His writing is sometimes called the Word of Lorgar (the Word Bearers bear the Word). There’s no hint that he’s building some kind of secret Enuncia vocabulary or making new Enuncia. In fact Enuncia words are called “unwords” in the text, not capital-W Words. It's this. There's a few fellows who taken it wildly out of context and ran with it, because they are desperate for Lorgar to be relevant again in 40k. Tbf, it's not helping that people have taken Shadow of the Past short story as gospel that Lorger's hiding in his little tower because he's terrified of Warp!Corax finishing the job.
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Apr 19, 2024 06:24
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Warden posted:Tbf, it's not helping that people have taken Shadow of the Past short story as gospel that Lorger's hiding in his little tower because he's terrified of Warp!Corax finishing the job. That's true, though  The last twelve billion pages of the Word of Lorgar just consist of "Can't sleep, Corax will eat me" scrawled over and over.
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Apr 19, 2024 10:36
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Corax comes back as a Daemon Clown. loving Primarchs, how do they work?
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Apr 19, 2024 10:51
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His Divine Shadow posted:loving Primarchs, how do they work? - The Emperor to the Ruinous Powers, M.29
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Apr 19, 2024 11:13
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If they really wanted to shake up the setting in a way that a dictionary of eununcia would, they should introduce one of the lost primarchs leading their own unaligned faction.
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Apr 19, 2024 15:24
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Blue Raider posted:If they really wanted to shake up the setting in a way that a dictionary of eununcia would, they should introduce one of the lost primarchs leading their own unaligned faction. The trick is to find a way of 'shaking up the setting' which doesn't actually change anything on the tabletop.
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Apr 19, 2024 18:01
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Roller Coast Guard posted:The trick is to find a way of 'shaking up the setting' which doesn't actually change anything on the tabletop. Right. Which would mean they’d have to add another faction. Voltann just showed up, but the game is already bloated to hell as I understand it so 🤷♂️
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Apr 19, 2024 18:23
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Just finished the Eisenhorn omnibus. First time reading any 40k novels and it was kickin rad. The best parts were the small moments of levity when Gregor would make a sarcastic comment or laugh. Really pops against the backdrop of a lovely, shiiiity universe.
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Apr 19, 2024 19:53
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Rakanakle posted:Just finished the Eisenhorn omnibus. First time reading any 40k novels and it was kickin rad. The best parts were the small moments of levity when Gregor would make a sarcastic comment or laugh. Really pops against the backdrop of a lovely, shiiiity universe. Ravenor Omnibus next, then Magos. They continue the "Abnettverse". Or give Chris Wraight's books a whirl, if you want more plotting and politics with action interposed. Watchers of the Throne duology; Emperor's Legion and Regent's Shadow are really good, as is the Vaults of Terra trilogy consisting of Carrion Throne, Hollow Mountain and Dark City.
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Apr 19, 2024 20:30
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Is Let the Galaxy Burn still in publication? That was my first 40k book, has a bunch of cool short stories.
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Apr 19, 2024 22:32
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Rakanakle posted:Just finished the Eisenhorn omnibus. First time reading any 40k novels and it was kickin rad. The best parts were the small moments of levity when Gregor would make a sarcastic comment or laugh. Really pops against the backdrop of a lovely, shiiiity universe. I also got Horus Rising, now I'll get to find out where it all began. I'm sure it's just a big misunderstanding!
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Apr 19, 2024 22:36
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I think that post wildly misinterprets a few lines in Pariah. Lorgar has been writing scripture pretty much continuously since before the Heresy. His writing is sometimes called the Word of Lorgar (the Word Bearers bear the Word). There’s no hint that he’s building some kind of secret Enuncia vocabulary or making new Enuncia. In fact Enuncia words are called “unwords” in the text, not capital-W Words. There -is- a passage in Betrayer in which Lorgar tells Kharn, Argel Tal and Angron about the power of warp speech reshaping reality, and utters a single word that sends all of them flying and tears through a considerable part of his library. And that they could all learn it, if they so chose. He could be just talking about general warp-craft and demonology, but all of them have seen psykers in action and would know what they are and if this is the same thing. It also didn't seem to aggravate Angron's nails. quote:He spoke a single word, scarcely more than a whisper, but it threw Angron and the others from their feet with a hurricane-blast of wind. Three bookshelves exploded, quite literally blasting apart in a storm of splintered wood and powdered parchment. Khârn managed to arrest his skidding tumble by jamming his fingertips between two marble flagstones. Argel Tal and Angron crashed past him, their armour shedding sparks as they scraped over the cream-coloured stone. It can be just coincidence or casually ADB reading the books abd thinking 'Huh, cool, I can use something like that'. I can see how it would be catnip to lore diviners.
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Apr 20, 2024 01:07
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Rakanakle posted:Just finished the Eisenhorn omnibus. First time reading any 40k novels and it was kickin rad. The best parts were the small moments of levity when Gregor would make a sarcastic comment or laugh. Really pops against the backdrop of a lovely, shiiiity universe. Hell yeah! It's an incredible setting and there are so many good books to explore. This goon is exactly right, no notes: Warden posted:Ravenor Omnibus next, then Magos. They continue the "Abnettverse". Vaults of Terra is another inquisitor trilogy, if you liked Eisenhorn you'll like it but I would wait until you've gotten a little more into the lore and understand things better. Not because you wont understand it, but the events will hit harder when you really have a grasp on the setting.
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Apr 20, 2024 01:14
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Sephyr posted:There -is- a passage in Betrayer in which Lorgar tells Kharn, Argel Tal and Angron about the power of warp speech reshaping reality, and utters a single word that sends all of them flying and tears through a considerable part of his library. And that they could all learn it, if they so chose. That's ordinary Warp magic, ADB uses the same manner of describing for the true names of daemons in his Grey Knights book. Lorgar is a heavy hitter sorcerer/daemonologist by that point, but note that he says Magnus knows even more.
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D-Pad posted:Vaults of Terra is another inquisitor trilogy, if you liked Eisenhorn you'll like it but I would wait until you've gotten a little more into the lore and understand things better. Not because you wont understand it, but the events will hit harder when you really have a grasp on the setting. This is the the only flaw in Vaults being a setting entry imo
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Apr 20, 2024 01:39
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I liked Vaults, but damned if I could tell you what it's about or what story Wraight was trying to convey with it, other than "Living on Terra in the grim dark future sucks." I really don't think it works as a setting intro. Watchers of the Throne, though, I think is an excellent entry point to 40K, probably not as good as Eisenhorn but very close.
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Apr 20, 2024 01:48
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Warden posted:Ravenor Omnibus next, then Magos. They continue the "Abnettverse". Magos is the linchpin of the whole series and should be acquired early in the process. Anyone who read the series before Magos was published didn't miss anything real, but Magos has the whole series reading order including short stories. It's a book in two parts. One of them is the novel "Magos" which takes place between the Ravenor and Bequin trilogies, the second is a collection of short stories, one or two of which take place before Xenos. The ideal reading experience is to follow the Magos reading order and get every story in order. It's not mandatory. It's super not mandatory, but some of those shorts are outstanding pieces of fiction. A first-time reader isn't really missing much, but on a reread you're depriving yourself if you don't do it all in order.
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Apr 20, 2024 01:56
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Azubah posted:Is Let the Galaxy Burn still in publication? That was my first 40k book, has a bunch of cool short stories. Might be available digitally but otherwise long since OOP. I re-read it last year and found it to be kind of middle at times with a few outstanding bangers. Maybe one day I'll try to submit a proper review to Goonhammer or something. 
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Apr 20, 2024 02:25
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Enuncia is cool, sorry haters
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Apr 20, 2024 04:39
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AnEdgelord posted:Enuncia is cool, sorry haters
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AnEdgelord posted:Enuncia is cool, sorry haters Lorgar, however, is not.
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And neither is Erebus.
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Erebus has an eight-pointed fidget spinner. It makes the most annoying sound imaginable, and he flicks it constantly.
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Apr 20, 2024 16:06
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Kylaer posted:That's ordinary Warp magic, ADB uses the same manner of describing for the true names of daemons in his Grey Knights book. Lorgar is a heavy hitter sorcerer/daemonologist by that point, but note that he says Magnus knows even more. It seems like the bit about Argel Tal speaking it confirms this. We also know that there is warp-attuned speech that can be harnessed by normies from Know No Fear.
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Apr 20, 2024 17:41
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Lorgar knows some Enuncia, but I just don’t buy that he’s somehow building some kind of mega-Enuncia super-dictionary - I don’t think the text supports that.
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Apr 20, 2024 18:00
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Also Lorgar’s not important enough for that kind of meta textual business
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Apr 20, 2024 18:04
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Inspector_666 posted:It seems like the bit about Argel Tal speaking it confirms this. We also know that there is warp-attuned speech that can be harnessed by normies from Know No Fear. Not that it makes a difference in the context of the current chat, but it may have been Raum speaking it. Either way, it isn't Enuncia.
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Apr 20, 2024 18:09
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Blue Raider posted:Also Lorgar’s not important enough for that kind of meta textual business this weird performative Lorgar hate is becoming exactly as annoying as the "Magnus did nothing wrong" stuff, yeah hes a piece of poo poo in the fiction of the setting but saying Lorgar is "not important" is patently ridiculous the guy who started the heresy, personally ascended Angron into a daemon primarch, wrote the lectitio divinitatus, and is the origin of space marine chaplains is in fact an extremely important character to the setting and is among the more important primarchs
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Apr 20, 2024 19:01
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Lorgar is too important for that. Anything involving pet projects like Enuncia is going to be kept far away from the big-name official characters.
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Apr 20, 2024 19:16
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Lorgar wrote the Lectitio Divinitatus. The Imperium is his baby.
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Apr 20, 2024 19:20
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Kylaer posted:Lorgar is too important for that. Anything involving pet projects like Enuncia is going to be kept far away from the big-name official characters. And yet Horus got smacked so hard by a single Enuncia word it put him on his rear end.
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Demiurge4 posted:And yet Horus got smacked so hard by a single Enuncia word it put him on his rear end. For a moment. Then he got up from his rear end and proceeded to continue as before.
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Horus didn't change as a character due to that, since he very shortly thereafter got erased from existence, following the story arc we've known the broad strokes of for 30 years now. It's a different scenario than claiming "Lorgar now knows Enuncia and has access to a whole new non-Warp form of magic."
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