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Baron Bifford posted:Does the Imperium use messenger ships to handle the bulk of its communications? From what I understand, astropaths are too few and too inefficient to handle it all. Who gets to use astropaths anyway? What priority is given? I would think that standard, not-priority communications would be handled just like they are now - by courier (Post Office, UPS, etc.) Priority communications are carried by astropathic communication. Most planets have at least one astropath, and depending on the planet, they can have an entire choir. If you've ever seen a WW2 movie where there were a bunch of people sitting in a room on teletypes sending and receiving messages, that's effectively what the choir works like. You have someone in charge who dictates the priority of messages, but for the most part, communications are bounced from one astropathic node to the next, until the destination is reached.
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Trast posted:Also as far as Pariah goes is there any given reason why Ravenor and Eisenhorn would be at odds? I'd imagine it would have to do with Ravenor coming away from his trilogy still an inquisitor and Eisenhorn being radical now. But in the short story where they meet they didn't really seem to be at each other's throat. Yet. Not at each other's throats yet. Ravenor however, is amazed at how much Eisenhorn has fallen (in regards to the relationship he now seems to maintain with his pet), and I imagine his own experiences with the event of his trilogy wouldn't have improved his view on things. Of course, the books themselves will be the ones to introduce the actual conflict, as everything prior is merely lead-up in that regard.
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I'd imagine that when a ship arrives in orbit around a planet, it begins transmitting archived emails that people from other worlds paid it to deliver.
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Jul 27, 2012 20:48
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Any message worth sending from one planet to another would be sent by astropath, generally speaking. 99.9999999% of Imperial citizens will never leave their home planet, much less have a reason to communicate with someone from another planet. Astropaths are also pretty common.
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Jul 27, 2012 21:21
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Any message worth sending from one planet to another would be sent by astropath, generally speaking. 99.9999999% of Imperial citizens will never leave their home planet, much less have a reason to communicate with someone from another planet. Astropaths are also pretty common. Yeah, they're precious resources but they're not exactly rare. On some lovely backwater planet there may be only one (or a handful), but in other places they're more common. In Eisenhorn he actually has a few spare "email accounts" with various astropath agencies, and hires one on retainer to come with him on some missions.
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Nephilm posted:Yet. Not at each other's throats yet. Ravenor however, is amazed at how much Eisenhorn has fallen (in regards to the relationship he now seems to maintain with his pet), and I imagine his own experiences with the event of his trilogy wouldn't have improved his view on things. Of course, the books themselves will be the ones to introduce the actual conflict, as everything prior is merely lead-up in that regard. Eisenhorn's fall from grace was pretty spectacular. It should make for an interesting set of books.
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Jul 28, 2012 03:11
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Trast posted:Eisenhorn's fall from grace was pretty spectacular. It should make for an interesting set of books. Is this going to be a new trilogy? Also the cover is totally badass: 
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Jul 28, 2012 05:30
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Therion posted:Is Omnissiah still the Void Dragon after that asinine Necron fluff redesign? Baron Bifford posted:Does the Imperium use messenger ships to handle the bulk of its communications? From what I understand, astropaths are too few and too inefficient to handle it all. Who gets to use astropaths anyway? What priority is given?
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Jul 28, 2012 06:00
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Trast posted:Are the Sisters of Battle books any good? I like the lore I've been exposed to so far and wouldn't mind some more in-depth stuff. I liked the books, but I'm an SoB fanboy, so bear that in mind. That said, I like how Swallow genuinely seems to have a grasp on how faith itself is a tangible, powerful force in the Imperium without having Miriya (the books' main character) go Super Imperial Saiyan and stuff. Basically don't expect her to grow wings of fire and smite the unbeliever with flaming swords, but be sustained through sheer balls-busting faith regardless of the challenge facing her.
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Since the topic of radicals came up in this thread I'll ask it here as well: if radical inquisitors in Ordo Malleus use Daemonhosts, and radicals in Ordo Xenos use Jokaero and even Orks, what do the radicals of Ordo Hereticus use?
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Jul 28, 2012 08:16
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Arbite posted:what do the radicals of Ordo Hereticus use? If I'm not mistaken, they get involved with all sorts of neat xeno and archeo-tech. Also daemon tech. By which I mean a gun with a loving daemon inside.
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Gormless Gormster posted:...a gun with a loving daemon inside. What does it shoot?
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Crigit posted:What does it shoot? It shoots bullets. The difference is that the daemon is an rear end in a top hat. Sometimes the gun doesn't fire because the daemon has decided it would like to sleep in. Other times the bullets suddenly possess magical warp bending powers (Like changing time.) God help you if you're holding a daemon weapon and aren't paying attention (Remember the Exorcist? Yeah that'll happen.)
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Trast posted:Are the Sisters of Battle books any good? I like the lore I've been exposed to so far and wouldn't mind some more in-depth stuff. Been a while since I read the first one but I have a recollection of that it was okay.
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Arbite posted:Since the topic of radicals came up in this thread I'll ask it here as well: if radical inquisitors in Ordo Malleus use Daemonhosts, and radicals in Ordo Xenos use Jokaero and even Orks, what do the radicals of Ordo Hereticus use? Cults, mostly. The reasoning being 'why waste good lunatics'? DIY cults also have the advantage of being lightning rods for any local Chaos activity; set one up, attract a few flies (especially apropos if they're Nurglite), and then PURGE. Take te credit, and bam, you're a Lord standing on the bodies of heretics you'd have purged anyway. 'Lesser' Radicals might just cultivate close relationships with crime syndicates and whatnot. Honestly, while I think Radical Malleus Inquisitors are the most individually dangerous, Radical Hereticus dudes are the most insidious.
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Arbite posted:Since the topic of radicals came up in this thread I'll ask it here as well: if radical inquisitors in Ordo Malleus use Daemonhosts, and radicals in Ordo Xenos use Jokaero and even Orks, what do the radicals of Ordo Hereticus use? Jokaeros are not part of cannon anymore are they? I would imagine if one could control them (which would be neigh impossible) they would be the most powerful person in the galaxy.
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Evil_Urna posted:Jokaeros are not part of cannon anymore are they? I would imagine if one could control them (which would be neigh impossible) they would be the most powerful person in the galaxy. Jokaero are still canon, since they're in a current codex and you can still buy models and everything. They are also pretty awesome.
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Evil_Urna posted:Is this going to be a new trilogy? Yes, it's going to be called the Bequin trilogy 
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Evil_Urna posted:Is this going to be a new trilogy? 
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Evil_Urna posted:Black Library has come a long way since this: Why? You don't like Pacino Marine?
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Arbite posted:Since the topic of radicals came up in this thread I'll ask it here as well: if radical inquisitors in Ordo Malleus use Daemonhosts, and radicals in Ordo Xenos use Jokaero and even Orks, what do the radicals of Ordo Hereticus use? Wait, what?
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bunnyofdoom posted:Wait, what? Maybe the Kryptmann Gambit?
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bunnyofdoom posted:Wait, what? I swear that I remember reading somewhere that an inquisitor somewhere diverted a space hulk teeming with da boyz to wipe out a planet on the cheap. Cream_Filling posted:Why? You don't like Pacino Marine? That cover has always pissed me off for some reason. It makes the book look like complete garbage. Kinda like the early HH covers looked like it was rendered on the same computers as Reboot was.
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Evil_Urna posted:That cover has always pissed me off for some reason. It makes the book look like complete garbage. Kinda like the early HH covers looked like it was rendered on the same computers as Reboot was. That book does have some awesome short stories in it though.
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S.J. posted:That book does have some awesome short stories in it though. I totally agree. I did not get that book for a long time because I was so turned off by the cover art.
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CommissarMega posted:I liked the books, but I'm an SoB fanboy, so bear that in mind. That said, I like how Swallow genuinely seems to have a grasp on how faith itself is a tangible, powerful force in the Imperium without having Miriya (the books' main character) go Super Imperial Saiyan and stuff. Cooked Auto posted:Been a while since I read the first one but I have a recollection of that it was okay. Thanks for the input. I'll look to pick them up when I'm done with the Gaunts omnibuses I have right now.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Wait, what? That's the plot of Dawn of War 2 - Retribution. The Inquisitor bribes the Ork Freebooters to take out the renegade Space Marine, in return for a fight with 3 regiments of guardsmen on a planet of their choosing. Orks end up betrayed by the Inquisitor but they get away, so in the end the pirate steals the inquisitor's hat, enjoys fighting all the marines, and calls it even. I don't know about the Jokero thing though. Amberly Vail is a Puritain Inquisitor who hates Radicals (and Tech Priests, for good reason as we come to find out) but she still uses a Digital Needler.
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So once you get past the plodding Rogue Trader parts in the second Enforcer book and onto the main trial of the plot the book suddenly becomes amazing when all the plots really start to unravel and crashing into each other at super speed.
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Evil_Urna posted:I swear that I remember reading somewhere that an inquisitor somewhere diverted a space hulk teeming with da boyz to wipe out a planet on the cheap. It might also refer to Inquisitor Kryptmann sending 'Nids to Orkish worlds, perhaps. Blood Axe mercenaries could also be hired to do the Emperor's work. Cooked Auto posted:So once you get past the plodding Rogue Trader parts in the second Enforcer book and onto the main trial of the plot the book suddenly becomes amazing when all the plots really start to unravel and crashing into each other at super speed. And this is why the Enforcer books are awesome; what seems slow and plodding at one moment, suddenly takes everything into hyperdrive. I think the third book is a better example though.
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I really liked Horus Rising, it was almost bittersweet in the end when they were so close to coming to an agreement with the interex. I looked up a few of the names since i'm not good at remembering lore and I was like "Woah, so yeah that's why Abaddons name felt familiar" Do the rest of the books follow Gavriel to some degree or do they switch perspectives? I really kinda liked him. I also loved that the Imperium of Man has really gone to poo poo since the Emperor bit it. Advancing technology? Secular society? Really awesome. Though Techpriest didn't seem very nice even back then
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Affi posted:Do the rest of the books follow Gavriel to some degree or do they switch perspectives? Loken is in the first couple of Horus Heresy books (and an audio book) but they do switch over to other characters. Fried Chicken posted:I don't know about the Jokero thing though. Amberly Vail is a Puritain Inquisitor who hates Radicals (and Tech Priests, for good reason as we come to find out) but she still uses a Digital Needler. I don't think Vail (or to be honest, any other Ordo Xenos inquisitor) have issue with using Xenos technology or consorting with other species so long as the Imperium is safe guarded. From the Inquisitor game fluff, only a subset of the Puritans (the Monodominants) are the type to burn and purge everything. Your average normal Puritan would be happy to make deals and use any available resource. Radicals of the Ordo Hereticus, on the other hand would most likely use anything from Chaos marines to actively cultivating traitors and heretics.
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Fried Chicken posted:I don't know about the Jokero thing though. Amberly Vail is a Puritain Inquisitor who hates Radicals (and Tech Priests, for good reason as we come to find out) but she still uses a Digital Needler. The Jokaero are arguably nonsentient though; technology is just a weird thing they produce. We get leather and milk from space cows, space wheat from space plants, and tech from Jokaero. Might as well burn people for eating grox steaks, is what I'm saying.
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CommissarMega posted:The Jokaero are arguably nonsentient though; technology is just a weird thing they produce. We get leather and milk from space cows, space wheat from space plants, and tech from Jokaero. Might as well burn people for eating grox steaks, is what I'm saying. I remember from the really old fluff that any attempts to harness the Jokaero just ended up with them building a means of escape instead of what you wanted. Also I would imagine space ape poo throwing also.
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Evil_Urna posted:I remember from the really old fluff that any attempts to harness the Jokaero just ended up with them building a means of escape instead of what you wanted. Also I would imagine space ape poo throwing also. That's right. These days, the Imperium just puts the apes into a large reservation/pen/whatever, throws in scrap tech sometimes, and then picks up whatever super Legos the Jokaero make before handing them to Techpriests to find out what the hell they do.
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Evil_Urna posted:I totally agree. I did not get that book for a long time because I was so turned off by the cover art. It's just a pity they re-used it two decades later. Fried Chicken posted:That's the plot of Dawn of War 2 - Retribution. The Inquisitor bribes the Ork Freebooters to take out the renegade Space Marine, in return for a fight with 3 regiments of guardsmen on a planet of their choosing. Orks end up betrayed by the Inquisitor but they get away, so in the end the pirate steals the inquisitor's hat, enjoys fighting all the marines, and calls it even. He lives not all that far from me. I've strongly considered throwing burning poop at his house a few times after reading Eldar Prophesy.
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Arquinsiel posted:It's solid 1980's coverart and rocked for it's time. The plot of DoW2 has little to do with the DoW novel and outright contradicts it in several ways.
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