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Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Starcraft ripoff ? I'll ruddy well cut you.

MisterFuzzles posted:

Probably becoming a broken annoying record by continually mentioning it, but I believe Lord of the Night by Simon Spurrier deserves to be in the list of good books.

Zso Sahaal is basically a proto-Talos.

It should pretty much just be taken as a (very good) optional opener to the Dembski-Bowden trilogy. Did Spurrier do any more books for BL ?

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Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Xenomrph posted:

He also writes about Eldar a lot

No he doesn't. He writes about things with Eldar names. I'm convinced that he has never encountered anything to do with them other than a word document of Eldar wargear & unit names.


S.J. posted:

Is there a worse BL author than Goto? I can't think of one.

Zou. But it's really a toss up between them, if you set aside the alleged plagiarism on Zou's part.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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I'm not sure I trust BL to print a CYOA book, all of the "turn to..." page numbers will be misprinted.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Ambiguatron posted:

The Alpha Legion are basically devotees of that one Chaos God that's like a fifth Chaos God of Chaos working against itself, but they can't straight up call them that or reference that entity because GW doesn't actually own it.

Malal. In modern GW publications he's usually referenced by either the black/white colour scheme or changing the word to Malice (Sons of Malal/Sons of Malice).

I think he's essentially the embodiment of self-loathing, self-destruction, and rebellion. Not too sure on that though.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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It's best to just assume that if anyone had gained enough knowledge of the webway to be even a vague threat to the security of it, their planet would have been hit by an extinction event sized asteroid. Or a Hive Fleet. Or Ork Waaah. Or their sun exploded.
The Eldar, for all their pointy-eared foppishness, do not gently caress around.

Remember, these are the guys (Biel-Tan in particular) who will murder everyone on a planet because they terraformed it a million years ago, and while they aren't using it now, and may never use it in the future, they did put their towel on the beach first.

Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jul 22, 2012

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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jadebullet posted:

I remember reading some old novel about an Inquisitor, a squat and an Imperial Fist who end up going into the webway for some reason. It was... odd though. I think the Fist ended turning into a Thousand Son for a bit until his dead battle brothers turned him back.

I want to say that you are wrong, but I can't really remember clearly, and the Inquisitor War trilogy was insane enough that it's plausible.

Deathwing, Space Marine, Inquisitor, Harlequin, and Chaos Child... That set of books was one hell of an introduction into the universe of 40k.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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He wasn't lost so much as he was captured and subjected to, give or take, ten thousand years of torture by the Dark Eldar.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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berzerkmonkey posted:

If I remember correctly (and it has been a long, long time since I read them, mind you), they really pissed me off because Gav Thorpe would constantly shift from first- to third-person. I could certainly me misremembering, but I'm pretty sure this is why I couldn't even start the third book of the series.

Whenever Gav Thorpe comes up in discussion with my friends I start switching first- to third-person, and changing tense. That first Last Chancers book was ghost-written by a child in a remedial class.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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I was in a room with Jervis Johnson and Matt Ward a few weeks ago and they both said they didn't see any need to go into the 42nd millennium for the foreseeable future. As they put it, they love having the setting be at five minutes to midnight, and there are ten thousand years of fluff to backfill. So why bother going beyond at the moment ?

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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The Badab War was backfill, and that was one of, if not the best, bits of Space Marine fluff they've ever released.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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An ADB book covering the events of the Sanctuary 101 massacre would be wonderful.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Darth Walrus posted:

The Marines in general (with the exception of the Black Templars) tend to revere the Emperor as a great man rather than a god. It's one of the reasons why their relationship with the rest of the Imperium can get a bit strained at times.

It really varies an awful lot. The chapters from earlier foundings are less likely to see him as a god because they were closer to inheriting the rituals and beliefs of their primogenitor legions. In the case of the second founding they were made up of marines who had served in the legions.

Over time chapters were founded with a greater influence exerted by the Ecclesiarchy and so you get some believers, then there are ones who moved towards the Imperial Cult over time, and then finally you have ones who were forcefully converted. There was an entire civil war based around the forced conversions.

And then you've got the truly interesting Minotaurs chapter, who appear to be loyal to the High Lords above all else.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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I really enjoyed Rogue Star and Star of Damocles. I had no idea there was a third book. Thanks.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:

I really enjoyed Rogue Star and Star of Damocles. I had no idea there was a third book. Thanks.

Either I was remembering the first two books through rose-tinted glasses, or his writing has taken a steep nosedive. Savage Scars is painfully badly written.

Edit: I cannot get my head around just how incompetent this book is. It feels like it is aimed at a reading age of ten, and the characters have less depth than a saucer. Worst of all the author frequently bloats his descriptions out to twenty+ words where half a dozen would suffice. This is because he insists on reintroducing characters as if you'd never met them before, in painful detail. Or putting overly long descriptions of something else in the middle of a sentence describing an action.

And his dialogue is just simply abominable.

Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Aug 17, 2012

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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The Night Lords characters are tortured each in their own way. The Templars are just religious fanatics.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Almost everything to do with "not following the Codex Astartes" in the Black Library range is absolute stupidity of the worst kind. It's the hallmark of lovely, unimaginative, thoughtless writing. No one, except Abnett, seems to recognise that it isn't meant to just be a list of black and white rules.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Nephilm posted:

Except the codex was laid down by a primarch, during and after the great crusade and accounting for the numerous threats they faced in their conquest of the galaxy and foreseeing for possible future strategic/tactical scenarios, and further added onto during the thousands of years since.

It is a sacred text, but it loving works. Saying that a military textbook doesn't account for the kind of mundane poo poo that is thrown at it in books like the Ultramarines series, or that it doesn't have clauses for what to do when preferable procedure is unfeasible in critical situations, is being blind and stupid and completely relegating something so pivotal to the identity of most space marine chapters as a mere excuse to say "Ventris is a maverick, he doesn't play things by the codex!".

Exactly. There is the aspect of it being a holy book to some, then there is the fundamental truth that it is meant the greatest military treatise ever committed to paper.

Almost every time there is a deliberate 'shocking' Codex conflict in the BL fluff it involves reducing the author of the Codex to a level of mental sub-normality that would have precluded any of the chapters surviving breakfast, let alone ten thousand years of constant war.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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ADB's Night Lords trilogy.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Brothers of the Snake was good for the first section, but after that it just became really stupid.

That chapter has the most incompetent Librarium in the Imperium.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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jadebullet posted:

What is the "wet leopard snarl" thing even referring to?

the 20 or so uses of the phrase in Abnett's HH Space Wolf book, Prospero Burns.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

Heh good job buying a Gav Thorpe book :smug:

He said smugly as he was smugly smugging he smugged saying smug.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Deathwing is a reprint of a book from 20 or so years ago. The eponymous short story is by far the best Dark Angels fluff ever written.

Obligatory "on Caliban".

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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A Tale of Tomb Cities.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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The Catcher in the Eye.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Path of the Renegade (Dark Eldar book) is really good. It's good to have Andy Chambers contributing to 40k again.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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It's ritual replacing understanding. They know how to make things work, but not why what they are doing makes things work.

Innovation requires understanding and is therefore... unpopular.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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The ban is on AI that emulates human intelligence I think, which is why titan AIs are modelled on certain types of animal.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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It's available print-on-demand at Black Library isn't it?

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Yeah I can't say I was taken with his non-BL fiction.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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ed balls balls man posted:

Are the Salamanders books decent or just generic marine trash? the eBundle is tempting but i'm trying to avoid bolter porn.

Unreadably poo poo.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Probably not until it comes out in paperback as well.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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BL haven't really got their heads round the whole "digital products should encourage the customer to buy there and then" thing. Instead they're playing wanky games that will probably just push people towards piracy.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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For those who don't know, Finecast is to fine detail miniature models what used toilet paper is to book pages.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Not at all. Off the top of my head I've had one Finecast kit that didn't require replacing because of miscasts or just whole chunks of the model not actually being there. And that's aside from the fact that having loving air bubbles all over your premium priced model is meant to be perfectly normal now.

Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 23, 2013

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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omg chael crash posted:

Here is a new trailer(I think?) for the CGI Ultramarines movie coming:
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/01/23/ultramarines-a-warhammer-40000-movie-trailer

Also, it looks so unbelievably miserable.

[Edit] I'm dumb, I guess this is just the Blu Ray release of that other bad movie.

This is an amazing film to watch with friends familiar with 40k. It is so terrible it comes back around to hilarious.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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VanSandman posted:

Honestly, I've found that none of the Horus Heresy books are truly TERRIBLE, although many are very meh. So honestly just churning through them isn't a bad way to spend your busrides.

Battle for the Abyss just called, it wants to poo poo in your mouth.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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I really liked Path of the Renegade. It's certainly a lot better than Gav Thorpe's Eldar books. But then, so is testicular torsion.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Scoobi posted:

Execution Hour & Shadow Point are 2 really good books, though they may be out of print. They focus on the Imperial Navy. I liked them a lot.



Anyone interested should check BL's print on demand service. I'm sure they're on there as an omnibus under the title Gothic War

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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He is however completely poo poo at his job.

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Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

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Deliverance Lost is classic Gav Thorpe. A tour de force of Thorpiness.

And by that I mean it is absolute shite. There's no internal logic or consistency. Things happen because Thorpe thinks they sound cool, regardless of the wider established fluff or what happened a page ago. He tells us that the marines are incredibly disciplined super soldiers and their primarchs are demi gods, but he shows us indiscipline and outright stupidity.

My favourite part, surpoassing even taking the most powerful technology known to man and removing it from terra to some backwater shithole with hilariously inadequate security, is probably that if this book is canon, Rhino APCs use explosive "drop-bolts" to open their rear hatch. As opposed to, you know, hydraulics. So presumably, in the grim dark future of the 41st millennium there is only armoured vehicles driving around dragging open ramps behind them.

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