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Cooked Auto posted:One instance I can remember of the Webway being seen or used by a human was in Daemonifuge at one point where Stern travelled through alongside some Eldar she had just met. Wasn't Inquisitor Czevak was another human to have been escorted safely through the Webway and also visited the Black Library? The old fluff seems to have implied that even if you could open the portals, you wouldn't know where to go and would just get lost but it did imply that other races could in theory travel the webway. I remember reading stories of portals being destroyed by the Eldar to stop Chaos forces accessing it.
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jadebullet posted:I remember reading some old novel about an Inquisitor, a squat and an Imperial Fist who end up going into the webway for some reason. It was... odd though. I think the Fist ended turning into a Thousand Son for a bit until his dead battle brothers turned him back. I think that was the original Inquisitor series by Ian Watson during the 90s, not sure how much of that is still canon though. Edit: Yeah it was the one with Jain Zar and the dancing dreadnought. Kegslayer fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Jul 22, 2012 |
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CommissarMega posted:As I understand it, the feeling of wrongness a blank exudes expresses itself in many ways; the most powerful (think capital-P Pariah level) exude an aura of 'should not be' that makes them more terrifying than most daemons- at least daemons are part of the Warp, which is in itself part of the universe. Even if one does not have a soul, one can still feel that aura emanating from them. I think Necron Pariah's have their 'blankness' amplified but most of the blanks from the fluff just seem to be normal human beings capable of working and connecting with other people. They're only seem to be extremely repulsive to pskyers but to normal humans, I always figured they just seemed weird or a bit off. The three most memorable Blanks from the fluff, Jurgen, Bequin and Frauka. All three were okay working with others but had characteristics that would put people off.
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EyeRChris posted:I forget which Cain book had the Metal Men in it. Kinda shows that the AI could still be made but the robots pretty much go into "Crush Kill Destroy Swag" mode instantly. I think it was an Abnett book with Gaunt finding an STC. Last bit about the AI ban, the whole crusade to reunite humanity was also a way of promoting humanity first and only above all others. Come 40k, I always thought that the Imperium sees anything sentient that isn't remotely genetically connected to humanity as an abomination. Programmed robots, targeting systems and virtual intelligence machines are okay because you do need a human to code the software but a true AI that was self aware and could learn, mature and think and eventually challenge it's designer would disrupt the natural balance of humanity as the top and only sentient species allowed to live in the galaxy. Back to book talk, I've just finished reading Know No Fear and I really liked the way that Abnett has portrayed the Ultramarines as the 'ideal' marine justifying a lot of the love that GW seems to give the Ultramarines. (Mild spoilers) Whereas the other Primarchs focused on training soldiers and warriors, Guilliman is portrayed as being far sighted enough to prepare his men to become the future regents and leaders of the Imperium. Guilliman, despite being the perfect nice guy, also seems to have doubts about being used as a poster boy and is well aware that he is disliked by many of the other Primarchs. The ending seems typical Abnett but it's definitely one of the better HH books that Abnett has written so go pick it up if you have the chance.
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Affi posted:Do the rest of the books follow Gavriel to some degree or do they switch perspectives? Loken is in the first couple of Horus Heresy books (and an audio book) but they do switch over to other characters. Fried Chicken posted:I don't know about the Jokero thing though. Amberly Vail is a Puritain Inquisitor who hates Radicals (and Tech Priests, for good reason as we come to find out) but she still uses a Digital Needler. I don't think Vail (or to be honest, any other Ordo Xenos inquisitor) have issue with using Xenos technology or consorting with other species so long as the Imperium is safe guarded. From the Inquisitor game fluff, only a subset of the Puritans (the Monodominants) are the type to burn and purge everything. Your average normal Puritan would be happy to make deals and use any available resource. Radicals of the Ordo Hereticus, on the other hand would most likely use anything from Chaos marines to actively cultivating traitors and heretics.
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Baron Bifford posted:In Nemesis, the Black Pariah known as Spear is bound to a daemon. How is this possible? If pariahs block out the Warp, how could a sorcerer have worked his powers on Spear? Urgh, that book wasn't the best but I believe the reasoning behind it was that Spear was some kind of 'special' Pariah who Erebus forcefully bonded a minor daemon too in the same way that you can staple a heat pack on top of a block of ice. Sure it's both hot and cold but the two would automatically burn each other out. The whole thing doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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Baron Bifford posted:When the Emperor began his Great Crusade, how did his ships navigate the Warp if he wasn't on Terra to project the Astronomican? I thought that during the heresy, he and the Adeptus Astronomica power the Astronomicon but it's only with him gone, that they have to actually sacrifice psykers. Nephilm posted:They've expressed desire to do so but there's no immediate plans. I've never heard of this being the case. They've always maintained that the game provides a setting, not a continuing story even if they did manage to add in one or two lines about how things are going darker. Every attempt to advance the story of both the Warhammer and 40K universe (previously through the world wide events) have ended up with some sort of retcon. The only story I know that stands at the very edge of the 40k setting is Sandy Mitchell's Caiaphas Cain but it's not like any world shattering events are going to happen in that series.
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Degenerate Star posted:Are there any good novels about the Salamanders or the White Scars? I'm fine with bolter porn, as long as it's not the Ultramarines yet again. The best Salamander story and characters I've read is from Helsreach. There is a Salamander series by Nick Kyme but I wouldn't recommend it. There are two White Scar books but I haven't heard any good news about them either.
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Ambiguatron posted:Bowden touched on this theme in his Night Lords books, too. Basically, being a Space Marine sounds cool until you realize how incredibly sad it is to have your humanity stripped away. Few of the other authors ever approach that, despite how fertile that ground is for grimdarkness. I think this is where the love for ADB comes from. Most people write marines or even other imperials like they're some kind of paradigm of humanity but ADB seems to be able to humanise everything. There's a example of this in the last Night Lords book where Talos talks about his dog or the vox exchange between the soldiers at the end of Cadian Blood. Just little touches like that really draw out the grimdark instead of using over complicated plot lines or unnecessary twists leading to everyone dying or something. I don't really know anyone who writes it better.
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Baron Bifford posted:Has this event been novelized yet? I wonder why Magnus used sorcery and not astropathy to contact the Emperor. If I remember correctly, it's described in A Thousand Sons. Magnus, due to the distance and urgency of his message uses sorcery instead of just psychic communication to ensure that the message of Horus' betrayal reaches the Emperor. Instead of going through the proper and safe channels which were slower and full of interference, Magnus pretty much uses brute force to break all the seals, releasing a bunch of daemons as well, to ensure a face to face conversation.
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There was an article or a quote awhile back (before the HH books I think) about why they'll never push past into 41K. The emphasis is really on the setting and the models and games with the idea was to make every fight and battle you had become 'canon'. They wanted to personalise the fluff into something you make up yourself hence you use to see a number of the designers' personal miniatures and battle reports make it into the actual fluff. Not sure if they still hold this mentality but I think with the success of the Horus Heresy, things might start to change. All the new codexes seems to reveal some kind of horrible event that's about to happen to every army so who knows? As some of the posters said, they did try making world events but I think they found it hard to balance and write the story compared to what was actually happening. They could even take a page from WarmaHordes and just push the story ahead while roughly keeping all the models still relevant.
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Fried Chicken posted:This. People credit Abnett for writing the Imperium so that it actually works - how things get done, why people do what they do, etc so it makes a horrible sort of sense rather than being author fiat of "do it or else". ADB does the same for Chaos. You come away understanding how they could decide to turn to Chaos, how things get done, why they do them instead of just being "argle bargle maim kill burn!" I love ADB but I think the first decent Chaos book was probably 'Storm of Iron'. It doesn't quite hold up to some of the HH Chaos books but it showed a pretty good representation of how a Chaos Marine would act and feel. Can't say too much about the other books though. I like Abnett's understanding of the Imperium but I think the Caiaphas Cain series shows a much better slice of Imperial life and is by far the most accessible. It might be tongue in check but the series describes everything from Planetary Goveroers to your general snack sellers in an Imperial city.
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MisterFuzzles posted:I love Ciaphas but my suggestion for anyone diving in is Do NOT chain read more than maybe 3 of em at once. Again, I love it but the repetition gets a bit grating. I understand why it is but when you read about Jurgens body ordor and everything else for the 90th time in the 5th or 6th book it kills the enjoyment slightly. I completely agree, all the plots and the storyline is completely cut and paste but it is very easy to read and a nice diversion from your typical bolter porn. Has anyone managed to get a copy of 'Fear to Tread', the new HH book about the Blood Angels? Nemesis and Flight of the Eisenstein were pretty bad so I'm not sure if it's worth getting.
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Baron Bifford posted:Even if the Cabal was sincere, I don't see why Alpharius would agree to wipe out the human race. It's kind of like burning your house down to get rid the termites. I thought out of all the Primarchs, Alpharius was suppose to be the only one who was willing to work with Xenos. The others wouldn't have bothered listening or trusting the Cabal and would have killed them on sight. I don't think we're suppose to know whether the Cabal were good or not but I don't think their plan would have worked. It might have locked out Chaos from one galaxy but the universe is a pretty big place.
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drkhrs2020 posted:They never really make it clear where "radical" becomes "rogue". Rogues are actively hunted by the Inquisition and brought in, usually so the radicals can learn everything the rogues did then execute them or put them in a cell. There seem to be radical cabals operating together and not being questioned by other Inquisitors until a demon wrecks havoc on a planet or chaos cults turn up. Where they draw the line is arbitrary depending on the author. The Inquisitor game books have a pretty good description and is pretty interesting reading. Radicalism is an ideology of which a number of varying beliefs are grouped under. The general gist seems to be the willingness to use all available means, from using Xenos weaponry to consulting with demons to achieve a goal. Rogue seems to be an official inquisitor status that is applied to you based on a number of criteria from being set up by a rival inquisitor to someone finding out that you've become best friends with a daemonhost.
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Trast posted:I think you are thinking of the special situation status Ravenor used when you mean rogue. Ah not quite, from memory, I think only conclave can declare you've gone rogue and that could be anything from not answering a conclave summons to actively working against the Imperium. Darth Walrus posted:Because the grim darkness of the far future just isn't a fun place. To add a bit more, all the Chaos gods are suppose to draw their power from the same source so where one god rises, the others will naturally wane. In terms of their mortal followers, we've been shown that some still have a full set of emotions and are capable of hiding their beliefs and actions from others but it's also easy to lose complete control and surrender to the emotions that your god represents. Even Khorne worshipers kill for a multitude of reasons from wanting to test their martial power to being driven by the need to slaughter all. In Voidstalker we find out that two of Talos' men have succumbed to Khorne but to different degrees. Uzas blacks out and has his blood for the blood god moments but it's Cyrion, who having also succumbed, waits for Uzas to black out before giving into Khorne and then blaming the killings on Uzas afterwards.
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Voidstalker ending spoilers Ah I got confused, I was thinking Chaos but typed in Khorne as that was what the poster above was talking about. Maybe I read too much into the scene but I always thought that both Cyrion and Uzas were both Chaos worshipers whether knowingly or unknowingly. Uzas openly and actively calls on Khorne to use him as a tool in battle in the same way that say the Night Lords/Iron Warriors etc do. Cyrion unknowingly serves Slaneesh and the other Chaos gods every time he indulges in his fear/murder episodes, something which he can't control and is definitely ashamed of. He doesn't recognise his own actions as a service or devotion to the gods despite being able to clearly see it in others. Uzas mentions how he's only killed dozens in his rampages but he's been blamed for the hundreds that Cyrion has killed. They're both cursed with similar needs and desires but Cyrion, who has the greater weakness/appetite, is able to hide it from the others. It seems more poetic for Cyrion to be in denial at being caught more deeply in the same trap as Uzas. In short, as we've seen in most of the good fiction and fluff, Chaos worshipers aren't just one dimensional characters who only possess the stereotypical traits of their patron god. There is a wide spectrum of emotions and characteristics.
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Darth Walrus posted:Well, when you're the god of rage and hatred, that logically includes cold, calculating hatred as well. Just like Slaanesh is OK with any form of pleasure-seeking, whether it be sleeping with a dozen daemonettes at once, or arranging your Warp-forged hellchair so that the continent-sized speakers of your private daemonworld give you the absolute best hi-fi experience. There's a number of guys from Zhufor, the warlord and mastermind from the Siege of Vraks (Forge World) books to all the engineers that build and design that Khorne siege engines. There was also the Iron Warriors Captain in one of the earlier Black Library books who was a Khorne worshiper that was great at tactics and strategy but would still lose control in battle and was slowly descending into madness and insanity. No novels yet but I suspect ADB's Betrayer is going to have some good stuff.
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They could easily increase the number of space marines and they do everytime they see a hole that needs filling from the various foundings to raising marine chapters for specific martial roles. They're also suppose to keep all the different Imperial forces in balance so drastically uppping the number of space marines is a definite no no especially since certain space marine chapters are notoriously independent not to mention difficult to manage. I am not surprised at the Black Library price increase. GW and even the Black Library prices sometimes have been ridiculous (did anyone here pick up Aurelian?) but I doubt that's going to change considering that people will still buy it. Especially with the trade embargo in place you have items such as the next HH mini novel, Brotherhood of the Storm, being priced at $70AUD (which is about $72US or £45GBP) and that's not including postage.
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Big Willy Style posted:The embargo doesn't apply to BL books. I buy my books from thebookdepository.co.uk for anywhere between $8-$12 for the paperbacks. Sorry mate but I'm pretty sure it applies to the exclusive ones, like the novellas. That being said, book depository is a great place to buy from with free shipping, numerous discount codes and the ability to preorder some of the BL stuff. Too bad they stopped shipping the little bookmarks, they were pretty nifty.
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Therion posted:Are there any decent Eldar novels that tell about their society, etc? I only know of the C.S. Goto ones, and even my lovely author tolerance only goes so far. There's a series by Gav Thorpe called Path of the Eldar. The first one, Path of the Warrior followed an Eldar's journey into from an artist to becoming an aspect warrior. It wasn't awful which by default makes it one of the best Eldar book that GW has published. I think the other two books in the series are about similar Eldar journeys into the path of a seer and an outcast but I haven't read them so can't comment. There's also a Dark Elder novel as well that is suppose to be qiote readable.
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Khadhul posted:I dunno man, I've only read Warrior and Seer, but I quite liked the alternate viewpoint given in Seer, and how it highlights how much of an egotistical creepy sperg the protagonist of Warrior really is. The again I'm very much a "story is about the journey" kinda guy as opposed to a "story is about the end" kinda guy so ymmv v To be fair, the first book makes it pretty clear really early on that the protagonist is the equivalent of a creepy neckbeard and it's his unhealthy social attitudes and inability to control himself that drives him onto the Path of the Warrior. I do kind of agree with GW's stance of not writing xenos books. It's hard to associate and emphasise with the characters when they can be so one dimensional. Deff Squadron was awesome though so maybe it's just an issue of finding the perfect writer and the right medium to tell those stories. To the author talk, ADB and Abnett are awesome but I think Caiaphas Cain is much more readable and accessible to a general public. It's brainless, extremely easy to read and does a good job of explaining the 40k universe to someone who does not know anything about it.
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MonsterUnderYourBed posted:Just finished Galaxy In Flames. Is it worth keeping to the release order for the rest of the books I want to read? I most want to read Fulgrim and First Heretic, but Flight of the Eisenstein seems to follow on pretty directly. How well do you know the fluff? If you're aware of the general Horus Heresy story, the reading order doesn't matter since it just fills in the details. If you're new to 40k and HH, I'd recommend you read the first three in succession since they're done as a sort of trilogy. Feel free to skip it though, Flight of the Eisenstein is okay when compared to bolter porn but outright sucks when you have First Heretic waiting to be read.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:The ban is on AI that emulates human intelligence I think, which is why titan AIs are modelled on certain types of animal. I think AI in the way we know it is suppose to be okay so long as has organic/human components and therefore a soul. You could in theory have two machines running the same 'AI' program with one machine having to need organic components and another without with the organic one being acceptable to Mars (a Imperial robot has a human level of intelligence but is deemed okay because it contains organic components and thus a 'soul' despite the fact that you could put the same program in a non organic machine). I also remember there was a comic about a Warlord Titan that had the Titan itself being a 'real' character to the Princeps controlling it. It wasn't some kind of illusion or psychic feedback but I think it was suppose to be an actual computer AI composed of all of the titan's programs and software.
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Arquinsiel posted:People say this, but then I suspect they haven't played much GW stuff. I actually used Gotrek and Felix back when I played Fantasy, and they were distinctly dissapointing compared to the flavour of the month. I think they just have a hard time trying to find the balance between what the character can do in the book and what the character can do in the game. Felix and Grotrek took down everything from a goblin to a Bloodthirster, it's hard to translate that into tabletop rules without the characters being overpowered or overcosted. I managed to read Pariah and I have to say I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would. It was a very average Abnett book but kind of disappointing as a Eisenhorn v Ravenor story. Seeing characters such as Nayl, Kara, Medea and even Alpharius were great but I went into the book expecting Eisenhorn or Ravenor as main characters Did anyone pony enough cash to read Angel Exterminatus?
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Azubah posted:I thought it was after wiping out Armageddon once or twice the Imperium figured out killing everyone who has had contact with chaos was a pretty lovely tactic. Emperor's Gift is written and set in the same time period as Eisenhorn/Ravenor (mid M41) and after the events of the book, things are suppose to have changed. Upper Imperial management has always known about Chaos though and there's a couple of times in Cain's books where he ensures that everyone has the right level of clearance before a briefing about Chaos Daemons or whatever. Cain is also a bit different since given his connections with Lord Generals, Xenos leadership, Space Marines and his popularity and fame in the Sector, he probably has more influence that your average inquisitor. Echoing the love for all things Ultramarine in Know No Fear. It's what Legion and Soul Hunter did for their respective chapters and portrays Roboute Guilliman brilliantly.
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rocket_Magnet posted:Go buy Void Stalker, quick! I don't think anyone's said that Pariah is bad, just that it's a let down for what was meant to be a Ravenor v Eisenhorn book. People were expecting to see Eisenhorn and Ravenor in major roles. Echoing the call to drop everything and buy Void Stalker. In my opinion, it's probably one of the best books Black Library has done.
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Scoobi posted:Just finished Void Stalker, capping off the ADB night lord's trilogy. Great set. Really got to the heart of chaos marines and the epilogues for it were great. I was worried after the first one didn't do much to resolve anything, but the third paid everything off. Night Lord Trilogy Spoilers One of the best things I loved about the series was how totally misguided and batshit crazy Talos was. He had totally idolised and reinvented what the Night Lord legion really was like in his mind which adds a whole level of humanity as his brother marines respect his gifts but pity his naivety. I did like the fact that the whole squad died in quick succession though. ADB did a really good job of capturing the story of the diminishing warband. Even with a new purpose, suits of terminator armour and new reinforcements on the way, the 10th company still couldn't break away from it's downward spiral. It'd be interesting to see where the Night Lords story goes although I don't think Black Library would let him write past the 13th Black Crusade though. On HH, I think ADB is the guy to go to for all things Night Lords, Word Bearers and World Eaters so I'm sure we'll see more cameos in later books.
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Arquinsiel posted:I love how he directly calls the majority of 40k readers morons, but does it in a way which allows you to think he means someone else. Am I reading it wrong? Isn't he just saying that Black Library and GW couldn't be bothered to standardised the IP? That and some of the other BL authors are terrible? Readers don't expect every book to fit into some long timeline but they do expect the setting, characters and events to stay the same.
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Mr.48 posted:I just got past Xarl's death and that was bullshit too. He stunned a guy in full terminator armor (wearing his helm) by head-butting him with his bare head. Is this your first warhammer book? If you hated the Night Lords trilogy I think you're going to absolutely loathe the other books that Black Library produces.
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It works a bit in reverse too. Newer chapters and characters from them are portrayed as more naive and idealistic than the original legions not to mention they all seem to revere the original legions. Case in point Huron in Blood Reaver and Grimaldus in Helsreach. Old tech is definitely better than new tech though.
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Arquinsiel posted:Didn't Curze just say "eh, gently caress it" and let himself be offed by a Calidus? Old technology has always been better than new even in the old fluff. Things like jetbikes, robots and any 'Dark age of Technology' stuff have existed in the fluff and on the tabletop since Rogue Trader. Mikojan posted:Regarding the Night Lords: The Night Lords series explains this pretty well. Towards the end, the Night Lords were expecting to get censured having destroyed their own homeworld but the Heresy put a stop to any retribution. After Horus left, Cruze was fully broken and the legion was divided on what to do so when Cruze decided to commit suicide everyone kind of split off and did their own thing. There are still Night Lord commanders with huge numbers of well equipped troops, ships and slaves that still carry out attacks against the Imperium or are carving their own personal empires. Talos and his crew are at the very bottom of the food chain though so they seem more lost than usual and without Talos or Vandred, it seems like 10th company would have ended up just as pirates on backwater hive worlds.
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Arquinsiel posted:Seriously man, until 3rd ed Chaos marines couldn't have bog standard Plasma guns because it was "too volatile" in the 30k era and they never got the hang of it. It's why they still don't get Assault Cannon and use the Reaper Autocannon on terminators instead. You're talking about one or two pieces of technology that gets upgraded or refined over a 10,000 year period compared to the incredible amount of technology that has been lost. Chaos have always had access to plasma cannons since the Heresy but plasama guns were only refined later. It doesn't mean that the old technology wasn't better. Most of the 'newer' models of Land Raiders and tanks and such are actually all really old pieces of technology that have been refurbished and reequipped because the Imperium no longer has the capability to actually improve or build newer versions. Aside from the fluff and if we're talking about pre-3rd ed models and rules, there are actually models of Chaos Terminators armed with assault cannons and storm bolters. EyeRChris posted:How do the Chaos Legions sustain themselves? Seems like after the various losses the Thousand Suns have taken that they couldn't be considered much of a threat left. After the Wolves, barely, oval office punted Magnus back to the warp they shouldn't have much left in the way of troops. I can't imagine after the 10k years there are many of the original world eaters left behind. And, granted from one Night Lord novel, it seems both the Night Lords and The Black Legion shouldn't have much left in reserve as well. Night Lords don't seem to have much structure left and Abbadon spends people like spare change. Anything from trading/raiding the Imperium to have well equipped forgeworlds inside the Eye of Terror or other Chaos controlled areas such as the Maelstrom. Talos' warband is only left with a strike cruiser and half a company of marines but there's mention of other Night Lord leaders in later books that have Battle Barges and command much larger numbers of well equipped marines. They also seem to be pretty open in accepting recruits from other Legions. The Night Lords series had a Red Corsair space marine be able to join the Night Lords and a Night Lords space marine joining the Black Legion. Mind you most, if not all, of the legions are 'broken' though. Their respective Primarchs might be alive but they are all split into different warbands that operate separately as oppose to under a formal organisation structure.
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Ardent Communist posted:As a unrelated question, and because I can't get on Lexicanum, what's the current world equivalent to obscura, and really all the drugs? I'm reading over Eisenhorn, and I was just wondering. I can't tell if there like opium dens or simply pot bars, or what have you. There was a list in RT and the RPG materials but from memory, Obscura is suppose to be an opiate. It's highly addictive and shares similar effects with heroin/opium etc so I imagine the Obscura dens are just like Opium dens.
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Arquinsiel posted:Actually it does, their Plasma Cannon could only fire the "wait a turn to recharge" blast while everyone else's (yes even Orks) could fire an alternate three-shot burst mode. Also only Chaos had the 2nd ed equivalent of "Gets Hot!". Srsly man, this was the god-damned reason given for it in the Chaos Codex. Bear in mind also that the Rogue Trader "Traitor Terminator with Assault Cannon" model was in the same era as the "Space Marine with Fleshborer" that I have knocking around. The Horus Heresy only turned up in fluff after that by a ways. You're literally just talking about a single rule for one weapon in one 2nd ed codex when the whole premise of the fluff and the tabletop rules is that everything is getting worse which is why the newer technology that the Imperium is not as good as the older technology that it's lost such as the STCs or anything from the Dark Age of Technology. Also this argument is really stupid so I'm just going to leave it. Cream_Filling posted:The fluff fiction is sometimes bad about this, especially when they do the whole "describe a fight scene like a game" thing, but a model being removed means the model's no longer in combat, not necessarily that they're dead. I feel like the death rates we see for Space Marines in most 40k fiction, which is usually a minimum of 1-2 per fight scene, would be unsustainable otherwise. But whatever, it's 40k. I think it really depends on the fluff but it makes sense for certain fights to have high casualties especially if it's marines v marines. That said the fiction can be hugely inconsistent about how much damage weapons do and what wounds a space marine can recover from. High casualty rates are probably acceptable by certain chapters, such as the Black Templars or the Marine Errants but other chapters would probably need a couple of decades to recover if they suffered too many deaths. On a different subject, when did Black Library start selling posters and wallpapers?
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Schneider Heim posted:Now, if BL has a proper explanation as to why the Daemon Primarchs (with the exception of Angron) just sit around doing nothing... Honsou calls out Perturabo indirectly in one of the short stories in the Iron Warriors Omnibus for exactly that. I'm pretty sure that all of the Chaos Primarchs that are still alive, save for Lorgar, do actually do things. Magnus tried to attack Fenris, Fulgrim killed/mortally wounded Guilliman and Mortarion rules the Plague Planet andhad Draigo carve a name into his heart
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Shroud posted:I did finish it. You know what the first thing I thought of was? The best part in the HH series is knowing that Erebus is still alive and well right up to the 41st Millennium. Betrayer spoilers The book is done really well especially when it showed the relationship between Angron and his legion. ADB seems to work everything around the book's title. The Emperor betrays his Angron and Lorgar. The primarchs betray their legions and Erebus betrays Argel Tal. Even Kharn is betrayed by his gods as Erebus gets to slip away scott free. It's just one massive clusterfuck. One of the more interesting points in the story that might pan out into the current 40k setting is the possibility of an internal conspiracy within the traitors. Erebus seems to imply that a number of the senior officers have gotten together because they're unhappy with their Primarchs and where their Legion is heading so I wonder if this culminates in a plot to get their Primarch out of legion affairs by forcing them to ascend to daemonhood in the same way that Lorgar did to Angron. I think the book does provide one possible answer to Nuceria though. The world is functioning as a compliant loyal planet that is also full of technology. Given how pragmatic the Emperor is, it sounds like he deliberately let Angron's rebellion fail in order to keep the world as it was. Giving the world to Angron would have resulted in him tearing everything down.
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Impaired Casing posted:I can't figure out the Emperor for the life of me in terms of his choices in the Heresy. I understand that a lot of it is based on the lore of 40k, so he has to do X because it says it in codex Y, but some of it just seems silly. It's probably just lovely writing/continuity as the older fluff and stories had the Emperor as a near perfect demi-god, betrayed by a jealous Horus but the new HH series tend to humanise everything and everyone. I think the new stories are going with the idea that the Emperor, being the pinnacle of all mankind could hope to be, is a really, really lovely father and it's his actions that spark the Heresy. Instead of explaining and teaching his sons, he publicly humiliates Magnus and Lorgar. He sends Cruze and Angron to murder and torture worlds and then makes plans to punish them when they do what he says. Compared to say Horus or Guilliman, the Emperor is horrible at understanding and managing people.
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lenoon posted:Guilliman's job is to manage the empire. See that absolutely awesome section of Prospero Burns. Guilliman was in Prospero Burns? I can't remember reading about him outside of Know No Fear.
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