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Where is the fifth mentioned? I've seen it mentioned a couple times now, but have never heard of it.
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Aug 27, 2012 22:21
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Yeah, it seems fair to describe the (pre)indoctrination processes for at least a few of the myriad of chapters in existence as, "traumatizing". At least, by modern standards, for sure. Edit: I mean, you probably had to have seen some pretty F'ed up stuff to make mortal combat with a multi-dimensional sex-crab another day at the office. TheStampede fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Dec 18, 2012 |
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Dec 18, 2012 18:22
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Knowing ANYONE'S true name gives you power over them in WH4K. Good guy or bad.
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Dec 29, 2012 12:47
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I remember the ending of the Eisenhorn novels wrapping up in a lot of abrupt mass assaults on the bad guys. I think I remember Titanicus being tied up pretty abruptly too with the whole soldier blowing up the void/camo field and the chaos forces just suddenly getting routed despite overwhelming odds. It's been a while for both though. Edit: Spoilers, woops... TheStampede fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jan 24, 2013 |
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Jan 24, 2013 19:16
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You know, mentioning titans made me remember something I was never able to satisfactorily answer for myself. In most titan combat I've read, there is a deck crew that handles major systems, like targeting, firing and movement. I'm not really sure, but I assume that the machine spirit regulates some of the finer systems, like balance and sub-level systems like hydraulics backups or what-not. So what exactly does the princeps do? They seem to be some sort of interface between the crew and machine spirit, but from what I can tell they don't really do much of the work.
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Jan 25, 2013 03:42
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There are plenty of them on death worlds, and in turn, plenty of death worlds. Plus, not all marines are culled from the same stock. The Ultramarines and Space Wolves have very different standards, I'd wager.
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Jun 3, 2013 17:32
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The Grey Knights don't just have the strongest faith -- they have anti-demonic runes literally scrimshawed on their bones. Every part of their being and equipment is made with the express purpose of combating chaos. Isn't there something to do with the, "Emperor's Gift"? In said novel, it's mentioned his specific gene sequence and advanced processes were used in creating a Grey Knight, I believe.
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Jun 10, 2013 13:31
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/\ Yeah, that/\ DoW 2
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Jun 19, 2013 18:47
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Baron Bifford posted:They should use the Tau for observational humor, as they are perhaps the only sane people in the galaxy. Barring in mind they'er probably a race of mind controlled space-socialists, yeah, relatively speaking.
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Jun 19, 2013 19:41
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berzerkmonkey posted:But the whole point of 40K is that there are no good guys - every race is just as bad as the last one in some way, shape, or form. The only race that isn't morally corrupt is the Tyranids, and that's because they're essentially animals. You could go further and say the Orks are just weapons, like a sword, if that's still the official take on them.
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Jun 19, 2013 20:52
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Baron Bifford posted:The Tau have a bunch of psychic races in their empire, such as the Nicassar. They don't seem to have any problems with Chaos. Neither do the Orks. I've never seen a Chaos Ork (and I'm glad - Orks are more fun when "pure"). I take it then the Chaos Gods are only interested in humans and Eldar? In regards to the Orks, it's more that they don't care about Chaos.
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Jul 1, 2013 21:26
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UberJumper posted:Finished Soul Hunter which i thought was awesome. Something i didn't understand was So for the night lords its only been a 100 years since the siege of terra? More than likely everyone did know what was up with Vraal showing up to ruin the party, but chaos war-bands work more like organized crime syndicates. The guy on top sent him, so no one asked any questions. I'm pretty sure Talos knew exactly what was up. And as far as the Exalted changing his tune, that may make more sense later...
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Jul 10, 2013 05:14
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I wanted to like Legion, but the part where a couple of Demigods from a race of super space-racists gave a second thought (or even a first thought...) to what a bunch of outcast Xenos had to say kind of soured it for me. VVV Yeah. In the world of 40k, it seemed like a cheap parlor trick that Alpharious/Omegron should have pasted them for even trying right then and there. VVV TheStampede fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jul 17, 2013 |
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Jul 17, 2013 16:47
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VanSandman posted:Battle of the Fang is so good. That, and I'd think their general nature of isolation and introversion wouldn't make them the best candidates for the space-bros. Even non-psykers don't want to be around them and are affected by their blankness.
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Jul 22, 2013 14:18
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VanSandman posted:The Night Lords seem to manage. Badly, but they manage. Idk, the Night Lords are (were?) a legion of rapists and murderers, not dudes who give off an aura of unease and repulsion if you're lucky. Yeah, sociopathic criminals aren't the paragons of society, but I could see a common thread of, um "brotherhood", or maybe just an honor amongst thieves sort of understanding. Blanks, depending on the author, are repulsive to everyone. I could see them not falling into that sort of thing. Though, in fairness, I could see how that MIGHT channel them into a decision to leave humanity behind and become an Astartes. I'm just not sure they'de have them. But, each chapter is different, so...
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Jul 22, 2013 15:46
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Cream_Filling posted:This also helps explain why in Abnetts portrayls, for instance, sufficient exposure to strong psychic power can burn out their abilities - see what happens at the end of Ravenor. But there's not a lot to support this except the varying portrayals of blanks. See, it's points like this that unfortunately remind me that we're probably putting more collective thought into the far reaching implications of some of this stuff then them. But on the other hand, that's probably my own fault and I should spend my time doing my job, and less wonder if imaginary soulless dudes can go to social functions together (or be psychologically indoctrinated and undergo grotesque physical and genetic modification).
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Jul 22, 2013 18:17
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Damnit, work blocks the edit icon image. Yet another reason to get back to it...
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Jul 22, 2013 18:18
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Baron Bifford posted:I remember the Eisenhorn book stated pretty explicitly that Bequin I was killed when she tried to exorcise that Chaos Titan. I'm pretty sure it just says she dies, eventually, and not necessarily because of that. It puts her in a coma, but she's still "alive" in the Ravonor books, in stasis.
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Jul 23, 2013 16:09
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Cream_Filling posted:Then her body in stasis gets stolen one day. Also please don't encourage him by replying. Does that happen in Ravonor? It's been a little bit. And yeah, i know, but it's hard not to type it out when I'm yelling it at my screen every time I see his posts come up. Sorry dude, read more books, lurk the thread more, and don't assume you know anything you're talking about based on skimming Lex' alone. Discussion is good, but being an expert in something you aren't gets annoying, fast.
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Jul 23, 2013 16:42
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Dog_Meat posted:It's a shame, because I had actually brought every one of the paperbacks up to Angel Exterminatus (even the bad ones, I'm typically obsessive) - but I've stopped because of the new larger formats and splitting the series into retarded audio books, ebooks, etc. Yeah, this is the part that makes me sad. I could never get into the table top because it had gotten far too expensive by time I got around to 40K (I've got several Rubbermaid containers full of Magic:TCG cards I try not to think about already), and now the literature is becoming ridiculous and prohibitively expensive. I really liked the look of the HH paperbacks, and had a good collection going to display (God...). Now the end of my shelf is full of hardcovers, and then there is all this digital content...that's more expensive then the physical copies... What the hell GW.
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Aug 7, 2013 13:45
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VanSandman posted:Don't its terrible. Care to expand a bit? I wanted to grab it, but I can't buy any more games till I get through some of my Summer Sale haul. TheStampede fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Aug 20, 2013 |
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Aug 20, 2013 14:14
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Yeah, okay. Forget that. I'll just go back to modded DoW1.
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Aug 20, 2013 17:59
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I still like the old, "He's been around forever" fluff, too. I think it does a good job of explaining why he's such a bad father: Because he wasn't a father. He was an amalgamation of ancient personalities concerned with the continuation of humanity at any cost. He didn't create 20 sons. He created 20 super weapons. To him, the were just tools to be used, and in his detached attitude led to the conflict between them.
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Aug 22, 2013 14:34
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Yeah, the idea that there is and even greater all-seeing, all-knowing force above even chaos or the Emperor is just pushing it. You can't have the most ultimate, powerful force in the universe, then introduce another most ultimate, powerful force in the universe, and then ano... Eventually, nothing has an significance if it's just going to get trumped.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:45
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wiegieman posted:They're not really that important, they just think they are. You can't out-scheme Chaos, but you can out-fight them. That's why the Cabal won't accomplish anything. We know how the Heresy ends, and it ends the way Chaos wants it to. I think it's the fact that there is an entity somehow operating in the shadows that is outside the knowledge of Chaos or the Emperor that bothers me most. But I guess that's reading into a dumb idea too much, and in the next HH book they could casually mention how they're actually just an indirect agency of Tzeentch, knowingly or not. Just as easily as they were introduced, I suppose they could be written off.
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Aug 22, 2013 18:31
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lenoon posted:13 black crusades and the biggest (military) threat to the imperium is not this supposed super-genius villain with his 10,000 year revenge obsession but a load of space bugs? I think we're on Space Pharaohs as the Big Bad right now. I think the Zerg were last week.
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Aug 23, 2013 13:29
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Baron Bifford posted:Corax and Russ must be either dead or corrupted. Can a Primarch can take 10,000 years of Warp exposure? Given the absolutely insane amount of punishment they can take, (Lorgar and Angron is Betrayer, Vulcan getting smoked on Istavaan, Russ and Magnus tearing each other apart on Prospero) I get the impression that they don't have to adhere to such things as hunger or sanity. That might not apply to all of them, but in instances like Magnus, who's corporal form seems to just be host for a being of raw psychic power, I don't think they are "mortal", and as such, die of malnutrition or lose their sanity to the warp. Also, they are all likely made from or have contributing factors from the warp or ruinous powers. They might therefore be immune to it. That's, at least, where I landed on all that.
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Aug 28, 2013 14:28
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Kegslayer posted:The Primarchs are very mortal and are definitely not immune to the warp. We're never going to find out what happened to the missing Primarchs but I think they're all probably dead. See, I don't really agree with that. Maybe some of them are more mortal then others, but I think Magnus and Vulkan (especially now that we know more about his nature) are very clearly NOT mortal. Plus, saying we'll never find out may be a bit bold.
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Aug 28, 2013 15:18
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berzerkmonkey posted:I agree that they are mortal - as evidenced by Fulgrim taking Ferrus Manus' head clean off. That being said, I think some Primarchs are more touched by the warp than others are, and some have ascended into daemonhood by the end of the HH. I didn't want to write off Manus, but that's where I mean I think some are more mortal than others. But maybe I'm using a poor choice of words. What I'm trying to get at is that, while not specifically "immortal", I think they are at least beyond simple mortal trifles, like nutrition and sanity. I think their close association to the warp might protect them from some of it's more maddening effects. If Astartes can be designed to feel no fear and face the madness of the warp full on, I think a Primarch could cope with it pretty well, if not better. And I don't recall exactly, but aren't Astartes practically immortal (up until the die horribly)? They could live forever, but they never make it that long? That's probably based on them at least getting proper food, but I don't really know for sure. Seems like a Primarch would at least have that luxury, and probably more. Kegslayer posted:Magnus, before his ascension, was very mortal and more than happy to die when the Space Wolves came for him. The latest story about Vulkan's super regeneration was written by Nick Kyme. Yeah, it's maybe a bad addition, but I think it is interesting if it fleshes the Primarchs out more as aspects of the Emperor. I haven't read that (and will probably skip it based on peoples recommendations), but that is the lore now, whether we like it or not. Also, they don't have to push it to the 42 millennium if they just finally get around to saying what Russ has been up to for the last ~10k years. It could be concurrent with the present timeline.
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Aug 28, 2013 15:51
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berzerkmonkey posted:That's true - you bring up a good point. I guess I was thinking "mortal" in the sense that they could indeed be killed and not "mortal" in the sense that he fell off of a stepladder while changing the lightbulb and died. Oh man, what if this is what happened to one of the lost Primarchs? Edit: VVV ...and he isn't actually gone, just forgotten. He's been toiling away at his desk for the last 10 millennium because, "I'm neck deep in paperwork and don't have any time to step away from the desk for this Heresy nonsense. These TPS reports need to be ready and filed by the quarterly meeting tomorrow, dang it!" TheStampede fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Aug 28, 2013 |
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Aug 28, 2013 18:23
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Fried Chicken posted:prosper to burns I know this is a typo, but I'm going to all kinds of places in my head with what this story would be.
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Aug 30, 2013 16:32
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Baron Bifford posted:I'm a bit confused about the part in A Thousand Sons where Magnus meets the Emperor in astral form. Did he actually deliver his warning? I think they shared a brief mind-link. Nah, I seem to recall he* just took off with his tail between his legs when he saw the look the Emperor gave him, plus all the damage he'd caused. edit*= He, not you. TheStampede fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Sep 11, 2013 |
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Sep 11, 2013 14:47
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quote isn't edit...
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Sep 11, 2013 14:49
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Baron Bifford posted:This bugs me because in Prospero Burns it suggests that Magnus did manage to convey a warning about Horus (which Leman Russ dismisses as a stupid lie). I don't remember that part exactly. He got a warning to the Emperor, or he got a warning to Russ?
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Sep 11, 2013 14:53
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Well, in fairness, since they're both super-psychers, they may have exchanged a lot more then looks in that moment. I just don't think the Emperor cared what he had to say in that moment. Magnus had just hosed up. Bad. I think Russ's reaction is still appropriate though. He's under the impression that Magnus is being corrupted by the sorcery he was explicitly told to stop dabbling in. He got his message, but ignored it because he thought he was trying to shift blame or was already corrupted.
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Sep 11, 2013 15:18
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Eh, that may be putting words or intent into his mouth. I don't think he loves being the guy who has to put his brothers in line. He just accepts his place in life. Magnus was doing something bad. for all his intentions, he was dabbling in the warp, which led to very bad things for him and his legion. He should have stopped when he was ordered, but his hubris was to great. Yeah, the Emperor hosed up by not telling Magnus what he was getting into, but there is no guarantee that that wouldn't spur Magnus on even further. Also, remember that it is heavily implied Magnus was already making deals with the ruinous powers. He was corrupted. He did need to be dealt with, even if the authors did a good job of making you feel for and understand his plight.
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Sep 11, 2013 15:32
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Is it ever explicitly stated that the Emperor actually knew all about chaos and the warp? I was thinking about it, and maybe we're all just operating under the assumption that he was hiding the true nature of things from everyone, and couldn't have not known what was up. Because, you know, he's the Big E and all. Maybe the chaos gods were pulling one over on him as well?
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Sep 11, 2013 17:30
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Demon Of The Fall posted:I think it has been fairly established that he's known about the Chaos powers for a long time, and even possibly collaborated with them in the creation of the primarches. Then he renegged on some deal and that is why they scattered them around the galaxy. I realize it's, "been fairly established" but where originally, and from who's perspective? I know this is all wild conjecture, but what if he was getting led on by some half-truth/lie fed to him over all (of his) eternity? I mean, he is up against the god of pulling the long con, and apparently had some sort of backroom deal with them. Maybe he was just as corrupted and blind as Magnus all along.
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Baron Bifford posted:His nervous system has rotted away so he feels no bodily pain. Post'n stuff like this is OK if you can verify the reference.
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Sep 12, 2013 14:37
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