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Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Fried Chicken posted:

You clearly have no idea what Fermi was really saying. There is a difference between habitable planets and planets currently inhabited by a civilization at a comparable and recognizable technological level who is interested in communication. As for the paper, they cunningly buried it in the part labeled "Conclusions". I can see how that would trip you up.

here

Now apply those percentages to observed stellar cartography and observations and you get the number.

EDIT: By the way, here is a paper arguing that the criteria for "habitable" is too narrow. Which would make for more worlds if correct

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/ast.2013.1088

I love you.

please post more educational poo poo

# ¿ Jan 17, 2014 04:04

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 13:44

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

I wish so hard for a proper 40k mass pvp mmo, or a better xcom ripoff, an rpg trader game, or a cool inquisitor rpg. The setting is so rich. You could make anything. The story is already written for you. Armored Core with Titans :getin:

How was Space Marine? Worth :tenbux: to mess around with?

# ¿ Jan 20, 2014 20:55

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

I feel like I missed out man. I was vaguely aware of warhammer 40k, but I played DnD predominantly until HS. Videogames were a few FFs, starcraft, EQ and CS. I never played any of that. I had to quit that for sports, and after hs I picked up Warhammer through reading online a little bit of the Lexicanum (spelling) and than buying Eisenhorn on a whim at the bookstore. I literally had no idea about any of the series, the authors or anything. In hindsight, pretty lucky to start with Eis.

I pretend my best guys in XCOM get selected for the Astartes program . Or they are Astartes. I need to find some skins.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2014 18:12

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

bunnyofdoom posted:

So Thursday is my next day off from flying so I will do my first read and drink Wednesday and my sober reevaluation the next day and post it Friday probably

god help you sir

good luck

# ¿ Jan 24, 2014 23:41

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

What volume contains the short story/novella continuation of Helsreach and what is it called?

# ¿ Jan 27, 2014 20:05

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

quote:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/blood_and_fire_ebook.html is the continuation of Helsreach. Not really a continuation since it follows what happens to the Celestial Lions, but Grimaldus does a lot of reflection on Helsreach.

Thank you. By the way, a few pages ago during a White Scars discussion someone mentioned the author eye-rolling at the all Asain flavor of the legion:

White Scars posted:

Haren mastered the speech in the end, just like all the other Terrans who had been inducted into the Legion. The inductees studied together, poring over curved character-clusters and diacritics, rolling their eyes at the complexities and cementing friendships in the face of adversity.

Many of the others had been taken from the Asiatic hive clusters. Haren disapproved of that. After Unity the Imperium was meant to have moved beyond racial and ethnic stereotyping, so the fact that the V Legion remained mired in the physiognomic traits of their backwater world was an irritant.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2014 01:20

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Is Flight of the Einstein realllllllyyyyy bad, because I just found out that The gellar field fails and the first chaos plauge marines and than they got picked up by Dorne and went to Luna and all that poo poo sounds really cool, but I remember hearing the book wasn't too good. Is it just bad, but readable, or is it like Zou levels of terrible.

e: *Eisenstein

Also, has there been a book that covers Garro and what happens between him and Malcador? The founding of the Inquisition and all that follows, or its just audio books? I'm not a big fan of audio books

Waroduce fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jan 30, 2014

# ¿ Jan 30, 2014 03:49

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

I could have sworn I heard that opinion here after it first came out, but I may be wrong. I don't read about Warhammer anywhere else though....maybe I just got the wrong impression.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2014 03:56

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

VanSandman posted:

Some people have bad taste in pew-pew spacemans stories. See: People who defend Vulkan Lives!

I'm re-reading the Night Lords series by ADB. My god, is he such a good writer. The inherent tragedy and hopelessness of their situation underlays every paragraph. The meeting between Talos and Abaddon reads like a mouse projecting his frustrations and relative powerlessness onto a particularly indulgent cat. Everything Malcharion does is awesome. The humor is wonderfully dark. 'Brothers! Everyone in this room is going to die!' shouldn't be so funny but I had to stop reading to stop laughing there.

Septimus and Octavia are great characters, and their interactions and growing intimacy feels natural and adds an all-too-human element to the grandiose tragedy of First Claw. Talos himself straddles the fine line between monster and hero - absolutely monstrous in his treatment of those who aren't of his warband, almost fatherly to everyone who is. It's gorey as hell, but the mutilations might not seem so horrific on your first read-through since they are so well written.

And yet the series avoids descending into navel-gazing melancholy. The opening of Blood Reaver has Talos contemplate his broken helm as a metaphor for his broken legion - and then immediately reject the metaphor as too self-indulgent and simplistic.

If you haven't read the Night Lords series, you need to. Starting with 'Lord of the Night' isn't a bad choice, even if technically it's not the correct starting point.

Has the Black Library released a Night Lords Omnibus? Because if they haven't, they need to. The two short stories and 'Throne of Lies' need to be included as well. If you're looking for a good audio drama, Throne of Lies is really excellent, by the way.

The introduction to Malcharion where he's just thinkin about being a human nugget in some fluid inside this gigantic machine is beautiful. Especially when his stumps move when he tries to move himself.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2014 18:56

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Baron Bifford posted:

When is Dan Abnett's Penitent due?

I want Master of Mankind to come out

And the Talons of Horus.

# ¿ Feb 4, 2014 17:51

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

UncleSmoothie posted:

Balls.

Okay. What's the best sub-ADB, sub-Abnett but still readable by a literate adult series?

You said sub-ADB, but he wrote Helsreach which was pretty great if you haven't read it.

# ¿ Feb 5, 2014 13:47

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

UncleSmoothie posted:

I read the OP! But it specifically says "ask here about anything else". Which is what I was doing.

who cares, any excuse to talk about Warhammer.

:justpost:

Posts for the Post God :justpost:

# ¿ Feb 5, 2014 18:07

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Im 3/4 of the way through ADBs Grey Knights book (name escapes me) and I love it. It's well written and the characters are great. Its a really good novel. I have one major complaint though; it only took 109 knights to banish Angron on Armageddon? I thought it was an entire chapter, but apparently its been retconned? Thats kind of bullshit honestly, 109 knights to banish Angron, a son of the emperor, primarch leader of the XII legion world eaters, and chosen if Khorne? And it only took 109? How disappointing.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2014 16:38

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Arquinsiel posted:

At the time the number was set, that WAS the whole chapter. How many low-level psykers that have what it takes to be immune to Daemon poo poo AND who are able to work with their squadmates to function as one psyker do you think there are?

Not enough
:unsmith:

Blood For The Blood God :unsmith:

# ¿ Feb 10, 2014 17:01

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Baron Bifford posted:

It cannot match Bjorn talking down to an Inquisitor.

Obligatory where is this/ can you post excerpt

# ¿ Feb 10, 2014 18:32

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Angry Lobster posted:

Imagine what the Emprah would say if he could talk again.

Also, the problem about believing in god and poo poo is the warp's tendency to gently caress around with it, like in Ghostbusters, so if the Emprah wasn't so bend into secrecy and told the truth from the beginning about the true nature of the warp and it inhabitants, humankind (maybe) wouldn't be in such a mess.

In retrospect, getting punched in the face by Horus serves him right.

this is loving great hahaha. thanks for this

# ¿ Feb 11, 2014 04:27

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

hopterque posted:

Let's be honest, if the Emperor really wanted his life support turned off he could almost certainly psychically compel someone to do it in some way, poo poo.

The consequence of that would be opening a new wound in reality and allowing daemons to pour out onto Holy Terra because Magnus punched through the shielding of the webway killing mankinds brightest minds while they toiled to unlock the secrets of the webway, of which the Golden Throne is an entrance to that is only closed by the Emperors force of will and massive psychic ability.

Speaking of which are there any books that deal with the battle within the webway and the throne room? I remember reading some fluff about Space Marines, Custodes and Soroitas who first fought to contain it and than fell back into the throne room before the Big E finally closed the door.
:goonsay:

EvilMuppet posted:

We already know what the emperor is though. If the Horus series is canon anyway.

Can you source this, and what makes you say that?
:goonsay:

# ¿ Feb 11, 2014 04:46

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

FrozenDorf posted:

They were deployed at various points leading up to and during the Heresy, but as I recall, mostly in the defense of the Palace. And they were definitely formed before the Heresy began.

There's a chance you'll see models for Custodes and Sisters of Silence from FW Eventually(TM), given that FW has basically suggested they intend to do all the Primarchs and the Emprah for 30k.

What are the differences between 30k and 40k in regards to like novels and fluff and poo poo that this thread covers? I got into Warhammer because I randomly picked up Eisenhorn from the bookstore (talk about luck) and just kept reading stuff. I love the setting, its like sci-fi mythology. Are we going to get some great crusade books, unification war novels and the whole 9 yards?

e: Also, can someone copy paste the specific part hinting the Emperor is a warp god? I read the whole thing and I didn't hit on anything.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2014 01:50

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Bjorn in the Emperors Gift:

quote:

�God-Emperor?� The Dreadnought made the sound
of gears slipping, grinding together. From the booming
augmetic tone, I assumed it was supposed to be
laughter. Either that, or an internal weapons system
reloading. �Calling him a god was how all this mess
started.�
Kysnaros was wrong-footed again, thrice now in a
single minute. �What do you� I don�t��
�Nothing. Times change, and that�s the truth of it.�
The war machine turned again, facing all three of us.
�Now. What brings you into the night sky above Fenris,
and why shouldn�t I break your little fleet into pieces
with this castle�s many, many guns?�
The Lord Inquisitor straightened his back at that.
�Please name yourself, sir, as I have done. Then
negotiations may begin in good faith.�
�Are you blind, little man? It�s written on my coffin.�
I couldn�t let this go on any longer. Not only was it
blasphemy, it bordered on excruciating.
+His name is Bjorn, called the Fell-Handed. First
Great Wolf of the Chapter, and second High King of
Fenris after Jarl Russ, the primarch himself. They woke
him to deal with us.+
Kysnaros�s eyes never left the armoured shell, and
the black iron coffin bound on its front.
�You� You walked in the Age of the Emperor?�
Bjorn made the gear-grinding chuckle again.
�Walked, ran, pissed and killed. I did it all. I met the
Allfather, you know. Fought at his side more than once.
I do believe he liked me.�
Kysnaros slowly, slowly went to his knees.
�Oh, for� Not you as well.�

# ¿ Feb 12, 2014 03:05

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

hopterque posted:

Except Oll and John literally say that they recognized him as being a perpetual like them.

I thought they recognized him as having similar qualities, but clearly saw he was something more than 'just' a perpetual. Thats my impression, could be wrong.

There was a scene in one of the books where John meets the E back during the Unification Wars on terra and E is all like 'you and i have poo poo to discuss people like us are rare' and they shake hands and John sees something behind the Emperors mask.

Also im not sure how i feel about the whole perpetual thing. I take my sci-fi bolter porn mythology very srsly.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2014 16:17

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

VanSandman posted:

Dude, I just read the book that appears in and what Grammaticus sees is the Emperor's bloodthirstyness. The big E talks to Grammaticus because both are psykers.

Oh really? I havent read it in a long time. I thought he hinted at something more, but :shrug:

# ¿ Feb 12, 2014 16:55

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Man, I cant wait for Master of Mankind and the Talons of Horus to come out.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2014 19:39

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

This is totally unrelated to Warhammer, but pretty :black101:

I think yall might like this

quote:

Before the beginning of the siege, Mehmed II made an offer to Constantine XI. In exchange for the surrender of Constantinople, the emperor's life would be spared and he would continue to rule in Mistra, to which, as preserved by G. Sphrantzes, Constantine replied:

To surrender the city to you is beyond my authority or anyone else's who lives in it, for all of us, after taking the mutual decision, shall die out of free will without sparing our lives.

He led the defence of the city and took an active part in the fighting alongside his troops in the land walls. At the same time, he used his diplomatic skills to maintain the necessary unity between the Genovese, Venetian and the Greek troops.
He died on 29 May 1453, the day the city fell. His last recorded words were: "The city is fallen and I am still alive",[16] and then he tore off his imperial ornaments so as to let nothing distinguish him from any other soldier and led his remaining soldiers into a last charge where he was killed.[17]
Soldiers were sent hastily to search amongst the dead and the first that was believed to be the emperor's, a body that had silk stockings with an eagle embroidered in it, the head was decapitated and marched around the ruined capital. However, it failed to gather any recognition from the citizens of Constantinople.[18] It is a historical fact that there was no living eyewitness to the death of the Emperor and that no one of his entourage survived to offer any credible account of his death.[19] At the least; the eighty-eighth emperor of Rome had while not in life, at least escaped the grip of the Ottomans in death, and that in the end he was very likely buried in a mass grave alongside his soldiers.

from the roman history thread

# ¿ Feb 18, 2014 02:38

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Fried Chicken posted:

no chance of that, according to The Sigillite the Big E wanted to phase out the need for government.

I dont think so. The first 3 books made a big stink about legions being saddled with remembrancers and planetary governors, and forming the high council of terra (or some proto-iteration of). I specifically recall a scene where Horus is bitching about tax collectors from terra and some administrative people trying to get meetings with him.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2014 20:39

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

PantsOptional posted:

Dragonlance is a series of books that started out as the authors telling the story of their Dungeons and Dragons campaign. The first few books, where this is explicitly the case, are as disjointed and poorly paced as that sounds. Afterward it became a franchise in its own right and is just mired in books upon books which are just absolutely terrible,. Not to mention that many of them focus on utterly minor characters or events, with entire books being given over to characters from a spinoff of a spinoff or to dudes who show up briefly in the original series and don't really mean much in the long run.

I really liked the annotated chronicles. everything else was kind of hit or miss, but I love D&D stories anyway :v:

# ¿ Mar 1, 2014 08:58

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Dog_Meat posted:

Seriously - how does this work?

Well, we had an assassin implanted extensivly enough to pass as a genestealer so maybe something like that :v:

# ¿ Mar 3, 2014 17:11

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Cream_Filling posted:

Zero. And while the White Scars have very little fluff about them, Scars contradicts much of the little that exists. I personally didn't like the book overall in both plot and in execution.

I really really liked it and thought it did a great job with the Legions all asain gimmick. The author even calls it bullshit in the text. Im not familiar with their fluff before, but why didn't you like it? Its def a HH book Id recommend as one of the better ones.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2014 23:55

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Sandy Mitchell. I forget what she writes, but if its not the funny commissar books that author is a women as well.

Im really looking foward to the new BL books from ADB amd Abnett. Ive read most of the Horus Heresy novels, as well as Helsreach and a random amount of other books like Grey Knights, space wolves, ghosts, and funny commisar. Are there any less known or one shot campaign type books I could get into until we get new stuff? Are the Ultramarines novels/omnibuses by Graham Mcneil (i think) terrible? I also saw Siege of Castilex at the bookstore. Any one shot campaign books yall could recommend?

# ¿ Mar 10, 2014 15:35

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Im pretty sure I've read all their stand alone stuff. No short storys other than Arulian (spelling) by ADB. I actually just finished Legion of the Damned, but I'll take a look at the other suggestion.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2014 16:15

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

mdemone posted:

I require this.

Is it weird to anyone else he's bald? My mental image of Horus was pretty much Arthras (spelling?) from warcraft3.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2014 23:06

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

AndyElusive posted:

Odd, ever since I can remember my mental image of Horus is without hair. Even before I started reading the Heresy novels. I'm not sure how or where or when I formed this image but the FW model is right in line with what I've always had in my head.

I wasn't aware of Warhammer before picking up Eisenhorn in the bookstore one day, so idk. Thats weird tho, Im pretty sure all the pictures ive seen of him have hair.

:goonsay:

we are nerding the gently caress out about a dolls haircut lol

# ¿ Mar 12, 2014 23:43

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Arquinsiel posted:

I just linked you to one man, srsly.

But he has hair!

E: i think i misunderstood your original comment >.<

# ¿ Mar 12, 2014 23:58

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:

Nope the image Arquinsiel linked has Horus in all his baldness. What you see at the top of his head is shadow caused by the red LED lights of his armor.

The only other prominent figure, in that image, has hair and that's the emperor. Did you perhaps mean him?

Oh poo poo, im an idiot. im on my phone and the window opened to Sanguinius on the ground and I assumed that was Horus due to the eyes on the armor :doh:

# ¿ Mar 13, 2014 00:25

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

SUPER NEAT TOY posted:

Why weren't the Salamanders split up while the Iron Hands and Raven Guard when the legions were being divided?

I dont think there were enough if them left. I think alot of them died on Istavaan. I could be wrong i havent had my coffee yet

# ¿ Mar 19, 2014 14:02

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

PantsOptional posted:

Yeah, there weren't a lot of Salamanders left after the assault on the Tempest Galleries during the Unification Wars. They took about 25K casualties and only had about a thousand Marines left so when time came to downsize it really wasn't an option. Ignore me, I am an idiot: they had indeed lost all but "a handful" at Istvaan.

I thought this was still true, but they had rehabd and than lost everyone again? Didnt they run an underground assult into the last bastion of resistance to the emperor or something?

# ¿ Mar 19, 2014 14:28

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

berzerkmonkey posted:

The teaser is up for HH Book 3: Extermination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytcl8OIaxBU
Good lord, the art is beautiful. Also, we finally see what Alpharius/Omegon look like, as well as Rogal Dorn.

Is this a book? Or a video series or what?

Also do we have a release schedule for upcoming hh or warhammer books? These last few months seem real slow

# ¿ Mar 19, 2014 16:27

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Of the following which, if any, are good
Malodrax
Architect of Fate
Death of Integrity
Death of Antagonis
DeathWatch (i think this is good?)
BaneBlade
Salamanders Omnibus
Path of The Eldar

Im in a bookstore, curious if i should pick any up

# ¿ Mar 20, 2014 15:59

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

berzerkmonkey posted:

Baneblade is alright. It isn't anything earth-shattering, but it's certainly readable. The beginning is particularly cool - it documents how much ceremony the Mechanicus puts into creating a weapon. Plus, it features an Ork Weirdboy in a Gargant messing poo poo up.

Kinda wish i got this now. Maybe this weekend.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2014 19:18

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Cream_Filling posted:

It's not awful, just sort of short and arguably not worth its really high hardcover price. Not sure if they released a cheaper version.

The copy i saw was paperback for like 11$ i think, probably still not totally worth it. I wish theyd release some good books. Everything has been on the horizon for like six months

# ¿ Mar 20, 2014 19:58

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 13:44

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

What did night lords have to say about the dude from lord of the night? I read night lords first and both a while ago

# ¿ Mar 25, 2014 13:27

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