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Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Considering the 40k universe the Slaught empire was most likely a happy multispecies utopia and the real reason why the legions were erased from history was due to the unknown primarchs saying no to daddy's murderous fascist empire.

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Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Pendent posted:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Slaugth



I'm not certain we're talking about the same thing.

Though that is how the imperium describes all xenos. And besides, that describes what they are and not what they were. Humans lead by bad judgment dad, touring around the universe and snuffing out all xenos along with any attempt for peaceful coexistence is bound to produce some bitterness, hostility and bad behavior in response.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

hopterque posted:

on the other hand, these are ageless malevolent beings made up of thousands of squirming worms who are basically cthulhu monsters, and they have always been that way in imperial records, so I'm reasonably sure they actually are horribly evil, even by warhammer 40k standards.

Imperial records that have been meticulously pruned and rewritten for millenias by legions of professional revisionists with an agenda.

What I'm saying is that imperial records are poo poo and biased towards lies, much like the Imperium itself.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

von Metternich posted:

Wasn't Malekith retconned into a good guy by the End Times? The evil scheming mages rigged the fire so it would burn him or something because he was too noble and handsome and whatever.

(It was pretty dumb)

He was retconned into the true rightful ruler, that he was burned is explained by him being more whimpy than his dad and not enduring the scorching flames for those extra seconds needed to get magically healed & anointed. This is the reasonable part, what is dumb is that the millennias of psychopathy, sadism, mass torture, brutal slavery and war of extermination, is wholly glossed over and ignored by the bulk of the players/factions.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

DancingShade posted:

Yeah I forget the character name but the null dude with porn slates literally gets his null abilities burned out of his brain by a sufficiently powerful entity.

Ends up on a black ship for reprocessing as a minor psyker if I recall. Probably ended up as throne fuel.

Aww, the entity gave him a soul :3:

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Has the 40k lore ever touched upon doing asteroid mining etc or has that just been wholly ignored due to utilization of space resources not being very conductive to tabletop spacemans?

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Deptfordx posted:

I like the other explanation they hint at ocassionally and is my personal head-canon. The whole Emperor has been around since ancient mesopotamia secretly guiding mankind story is total BS, and he is in fact a late Golden Age experiment that got loose in the destruction that ended that age and decided to take over.

Or he was a perpetual from ancient Mesopotamia that just kinda bumble through history until he used some golden age tech to enter the warp and become a pants shittingly powerful psyker.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

moths posted:

They've retconned a lot of the illuminati / numen / sensei stuff, but I'm pretty sure letting the Emperor die would still allow him to be reborn as The Emperor.

The irony was that the only way to permanently defeat him is by keeping his nearly-dead body on perpetual life support. Oops.

But isn't he nowadays less of a single warp entity and more of a myriad of shards that all act with various degrees of independence?

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Preechr posted:

My favorite part of Ravenor was the elite inquisitorial team coming up against their most brutal foe, and failing: the sheer grinding horror of clerical work in the Administratum.

Speaking of the administratum, is there any books or short-stories where the protagonists actively abuse the system in funny/dumb ways? Like they intentionally fill out the wrong form to be able to requisition a larger spaceship as they know the time it takes for the bureaucracy to notice the problem is longer than the expected service life of the spaceship anyway.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

a lovely king posted:

They've said the Siege of Terra will only be 8 books with I think one coming out every two or three months? So you'll probably see the Emperor and Horus finally dusting up in 2020 sometime.

That is just the Siege of Terra, the boarding of the flagship is another 5, the actual fight 1 and the aftermath 10.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Arcsquad12 posted:

Sorry, but I'm keeping my copies. You're in Ottawa, right Bunnyofdoom? I know the Chapters at Rideau street carries a decent selection of Black Library books. I checked their website and they have Warmaster in Trade Paperback right now. I'd call the store if I were you and ask them to put it on hold for up to three days. Pinecrest, Barrhaven and Gloucester have single copies of Anarch in hardcover at the moment.

While I really can't survive with my job at Chapters, there are some perks, I have to admit.

The status of the astartes surely have fallen during the years.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Randalor posted:

"Bro, I woke up 300 years ago and dad was a corpse on a throne, everyone was worshipping him, and then the universe split into two. I hadn't even had a cup of goddamn coffee yet and I was being expected to fix this poo poo. I've been too busy trying to get this poo poo into a semblance of order to even think straight. And I still haven't even had my goddamn coffee. How the gently caress did you get a cup?"

Vadoc posted:

I wonder what the odds are of the Dark Angels deep dark secret they've been trying to keep will finally get spilled in this conflict.

:golfclap:

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Ignoring everything else with it it is still so much better than other 40k cinematics just by not having any cheesy voice acting.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Would be better if some traitor and loyal primarchs just went "the imperium and chaos are both poo poo, we are going to make the empire daddy spoke of" and introduce a third faction. Have them ally with the Tau or Eldar too just to stick it to both of their previous factions.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Khizan posted:

It doesn't help that a lot of this stuff ends up interlinked. It's not particularly unusual to find a trade in xenos artifacts and follow it up to a chaos cult, or vice versa. In fact, it doesn't seem to be that unusual for two independent inquisitors from different Ordos to meet in the middle when somebody's xenos trader investigation runs into somebody else's cult investigation.
And the thing they were both investigating was the third inquisitors shopping list.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Randalor posted:

Wouldn't Russ's focus just be on making the best beer in the universe? And then maybe moving on to making the best mead?

Got the hipster beard already, and a penchant for DIY modding.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Cooked Auto posted:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/10/black-library-weekender-2019-the-reveals/

Black Library Weekender reveals are up and there's a bevy of good stuff.
Like Ephrael Stern making a return with a sequel and a full color version of Daemonifuge. As well as the Last Chancers returning as well.

Also a new Watchers of the Throne book announced, with tie-in models.

Although Valerian's model looks weird, his head feels out of place.

Valerian even has a keyring on his multifunction poker :v:

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Hopefully its Angron and Jagathai that goes "the emperor and chaos both suck" and goes to create the anarchist faction with Cawl.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Kaal posted:

That sounds like a quite principled set of objections, but like most of the fallen primarchs it's pretty much impossible to square their later actions with their alleged motivations. I mean this is a guy who kills both civilians and fellow Space Marines for fun - before joining Chaos. The "wise Spartacus" Angron is neat, but he has nothing in common with the "nihilistic butcher" or the chaotic "blood for the blood god" poster-boy. He might complain about how military tithes amount to slavery, but that certainly doesn't justify making mountains out of conquered skulls or planting mind-control rage implants into his soldiers.

It sounds like he also sees jamming the nails into his legion as being a type of mercy for his troops. Because with the nails they can be the monsters that is required of them without feeling like poo poo.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Zore posted:

Tzeench is the god of hope, Nurgle of Life/health based on their portfolios

Nurgle loves life, he just has a very pragmatic approach of optimizing its abundance.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

mllaneza posted:

So it's a century each. :colbert:


Someone managed to transcribe all the dialogue, but I can't find it in the absolute torrent of comments on YouTube.

A couple of Youtube commenters did the following transcription.

Spiked sphere: Who's here?
Captured sphere: I have failed brother
Spiked sphere: We have all failed, brother, we have all failed. The astartes deny our touch. You must return, break your seals.
Captured sphere: We will never survive
Spiked sphere: You must take them.
Alpha psycher inquisitor: RETURN THEM IMMIDIATELY! RETURN THEM IMMIDIATELY!

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

euphronius posted:

The one handed Marine on the death planet is probably hosed

If you look closely his squad mates (or something) seem to zap into existance on the pillars in front of him right at the end. Maybe they can all become moisture farmers and start their own little kibbutz in the middle of the desert!

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

peanut- posted:

I've not read Dune in a long time, what was the homage?

There was a millennia old all powerful emperor and AI was forbidden by religious decree. Also, space travels require post human navigators.*

*These references might possibly occur in other 40k books too.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Modulo16 posted:

I just finished the Ravenor trilogy. I’ve read Eisenhorn, and loved it. Ravenor was alright. Pariah however I just cannot get into. I’m guessing I’ll go with a Storm of Iron. I also need to post this because I feel it’s important: Patience Kys is the dumbest name I’ve ever witnessed in a book that takes itself as serious as these have.

All names are equally dumb when you dig down to what they mean in their original languages. Gregor Eisenhorn literally means Alert Ironhorn, which is dumb as hell. As is his protege Hewer *Great-hunger

*Closest I could come up with.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

D-Pad posted:

LMAO wait until y'all get the emperor's name reveal in Saturnine

It must be Ea-Nasir.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Plucky Brit posted:

I think that's the 'official' line, though this:

Is much more interesting.

He could easily be both in the setting, a perpetual with ambitions that weaponized himself at a later stage, or a psyker that could just swap bodies or something until he could make a perfect host body for himself.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
It would be fitting if the two lost legions and their accompanying primarchs were exterminated due to siding with pacifist mom.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

von Metternich posted:

I was rereading the Angron origin book and there was a unit called the Unbroken, because they’d never broken in combat. But like..,that’s every space marine, right? Is there an instance of a space marine unit running away in the fluff?

They retreat when necessary and they probably lose faith in winning hard fights all the time. They might just not do the followup and leg it to save their own skin like a normal person.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

NUMBER 1 FULCI FAN posted:

But if it weren't the emperor, the Astronomican wouldn't work

It sucks the soul out of thousands of psykers each day to power a brightly shining lock in the warp for all the reader knows.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Sephyr posted:


PS- Also, why is Corax chasing Lorgar? Wouldn't he be way more useful in the riven Imperium than poking the Warp to fight someone that can't be killed?

Seeking vengeance above all else is almost always stupid and detrimental, and he is the avatar of vengeance soooo...

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Silly Newbie posted:

Do navigators have a literal third eyeball in the centers of their foreheads that kills people who look at it?

I believe it is described more as an obsidian like eye shaped stone. I think only the most inbred/pure navigators have it, low grade navigators can lack it.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Schadenboner posted:

Were/are (human) perpetuals a thing in Warhammer Fantasy/Age of Sigmar?

Well, there's always drachenfels, he almost kinda counts?

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Shockeh posted:

The argument being that they're incredibly self-centred, and always have been. They didn't care then because they knew (literally knew, through the power of foresight) that they'd survive the Heresy. The very fact they've got involved and sent five Craftworlds means yes, they've checked, and if they don't, they know it ends Extremely Badly For Them.

Or they don't know because it's a city in a blank generated bubble. Either way is an equal cause for concern for the faction whose whole civilization is built upon magic prediction.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Roller Coast Guard posted:

The Great Crusade was never completed, the Heresy interrupted it's progress in pretty dramatic style and things never really got going again at anything like the same pace afterwards. So yeah, there's huge swathes of space that's sat on a to-do list in a filling cabinet somewhere on Terra for the last ten millennia.

Most of the post great crusade recontact of other human worlds is seemingly done as a reconquest of old previously lost imperium holdings and/or as a military response to alien activity. It is basically just hard to expand when you have to put out fires all the time

So every year that to-do list is probably ritually carried in a procession to the high lord's chamber of notification where the procession chants the wishes of the emperors devine wisdom three times and then goes back in scared silence to the administratum hive.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Warden posted:

You talking dollars, pounds or euros here?

Yes.

It's like a 25% difference between them

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

hopterque posted:

He's publicly stated a few times that its one of his dreams to be in a big 40k adaptation. I wouldn't have thought a Witcher series would be able to afford him either but he was instrumental in getting it off the ground in the first place, so who knows.

Could you imagine how much of a pain in the rear end it would be to be the director when your lead is a hardcore Warhammer nerd?

D: "Henry, I need you to do that downwards swooshing motion with your sword as Frank tackles..."
H: "It's a chainsword Steve, it goes WHIRRRRR not swoosh"
D: "Ok Henry, when you whirr the sword downward as Frank ta..."
H: "Shouldn't Frank have more service studs? I mean he's suppo..."
D: "HENRY, FOCUS!"

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

MonsterEnvy posted:

Lorgar seems the least likely Traitor Primarch to be redeemed. Guy went whole hog on Chaos worship harder then any Primarch.

He did, but he went whole hog due to chaos filling his godly needs better, something which could have changed now after the rift and 10000 years of fanatic faith transforming the emperor into a warp diety. Also the thing where he invented the current imperial faith and this future fits his old vision like a glove.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

Ah yes, founder of Tesla Battlesuits

You have to admit mind control pheromones would explain quite a lot about that stock price.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
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Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
This was pretty neat looking if a bit silly.
https://youtu.be/sZhf5JKEeS8

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