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What was the psychic power order for the primarchs? Papa Emprah >= Magnus > Sanguinius > Lorgar > Horus/Russ > the rest > Alpharius Omegon
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Well, I'm also accounting for other abilities alongside shooting lightning. Lorgar had a strong sensitivity to the warp and his supernatural charisma was in part psychic, as well as manifesting itself as a kind of aura of power when going all out in combat. Russ, on his part, was able to go toe-to-toe with Magnus and kick his rear end. That's psychic resilience of the highest grade, and as a comparison point you can take the example of other primarchs getting manhandled by sorcery (like Mr. Robot Gillman in Know No Fear). In that sense I guess I should also add Curze above the others, since he had prophetic visions much like Sanguinius, and the rest of the Primarchs showed no other semblance of warp abilities.
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Sep 1, 2012 19:00
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There used to be talk about how the Emperor was friendly to species not hostile to humanity, but the HH books make it pretty clear that the Great Crusade was out to conquer the galaxy for humanity, and there was no room for subjugation, only extermination.
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Sep 5, 2012 01:04
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Death by Cranes posted:Allow me to say that "Brotherhood of Snake" was total utter gar-bitch! So tedious. Brotherhood of the Snake is a decent book, and Nemesis isn't there because it's widely considered to be poo poo.
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Sep 6, 2012 00:28
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Chest progenoid can be extracted without much issue, but I've never heard of the neck one extracted prior to death.
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Sep 11, 2012 06:41
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AFAIK the idea is that they use recovered progenoids on test tube bodies to grow the organs which they'll then implant on prospective marines. I guess you could technically use the same process solely to replicate progenoids in the case of extreme losses, but it's still a time-consuming affair, and since gene-seed is something that quantifiably matures and changes as it goes from marine to marine, keeping it locked to mass produce is probably a big no-no.
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Sep 11, 2012 19:47
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Scoobi posted:Slogging my way through The Primarchs after finishing Emperor's Gift and boy howdy the Fulgrim story was really bad. I really needed 40 pages of torture porn. The Iron Hands story right after it is pretty bad so far too. Nevermind bad; it's plot twist is nonsensical, ruins the main character theme of Fulgrim and invalidates a major plot point in Aurelian.
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Sep 22, 2012 02:29
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Scoobi posted:Is there an ebook for Aurelian? It seems to have been a limited edition thing? Takes 2 years for limited editions to get rereleased as paperback/e-books iirc.
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Sep 22, 2012 03:44
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I liked Legion of the Damned, but it becomes stale and boring during the last part, and though the general structure of the novel is good and the writer sometimes does neat things with prose, I didn't feel like he was particularly good at writing.
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Sep 23, 2012 01:30
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MonsterUnderYourBed posted:Just finished Galaxy In Flames. Is it worth keeping to the release order for the rest of the books I want to read? I most want to read Fulgrim and First Heretic, but Flight of the Eisenstein seems to follow on pretty directly. Kinda, since they do tend to follow (albeit rather loosely) a chronology, or sometimes a chain of reveals and cameos, but the only ones that really have any sort of sequence are: The first 3-4. A Thousand Sons > Prospero Burns The First Heretic > Know No Fear A couple others that aren't worth reading. Flight of the Einsenstein happens directly after the end of Galaxy in Flames but it's a rather poor book that's really only there to establish James Swallow's pet character Garro, who only gets expanded upon in his audiobooks. I wouldn't recommend it. As for the bolter porn, it depends on the writer. Some do it well, others are loving atrocious at it.
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Sep 23, 2012 07:51
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To Kill an Ogryn.
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Oct 2, 2012 21:59
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You should go read The Emperor's Gift. The battle against war incarnate was quite a thing.
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Oct 16, 2012 01:00
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All of Ravenor's retinue was walking sex appeal. Hell, even whatshisname grew up to be a hunk even if Astartes aren't into that.
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Oct 25, 2012 07:51
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The book is titled Pariah and is part one of the Bequin trilogy. I see nothing about Ravenor vs Eisenhorn on the cover.
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Oct 27, 2012 22:44
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I swallow my words, then.
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Oct 28, 2012 00:40
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Eisenhorn trilogy spoilers: After the events of the second book Cherubael just hated Eisenhorn's guts for binding him again, which remains the same throughout the third, though at the end of that, after having done a proper binding with sufficient precautions and restrictions in place, Cherubael seems resigned to its situation. In the short story where they feature after that, it's clear they've reached a kind of mutual agreement of sorts. The daemon is of course still very much bound to Eisenhorn's will, but as someone else stated Cherubael probably derives great pleasure from what the Inquisitor has become, and doesn't mind too much the leash he's been put on (which Eisenhorn seems to be giving more and more slack).
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Oct 31, 2012 21:01
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The first three HH books do the bulk of the scene setting for the series. If you have a good grasp on WH40k lore you can skip them, but there's a few books that are best read in sequence. A Thousand Sons -> Prospero Burns Legion -> Know No Fear The First Heretic -> Know No Fear The First Heretic -> Aurelian Also, I don't know how ADB's take on Angron will be for Betrayer, but the short story After De'shea on Tales of Heresy (alongside Blood Games by Dan Abnett) is pretty good.
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Nov 8, 2012 03:22
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lenoon posted:Surely it should be Legion -> Deliberance lost? I'd never ask anyone to read a Gav Thorpe book.
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Nov 8, 2012 18:08
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Well, it's implied that for all that time he had been more subtlety aiding humanity, and seeing how that turned out in the end he decided that total control was the only way to achieve his ends, and he also had to manage it quickly before the chaos gods found a way to undo his work. The foundation of a 10 thousand old Imperium was set down in just a couple centuries, after all; that's how efficient the method was, even if cruel. He also didn't count on dying and being unable to actively influence it anymore.
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Nov 11, 2012 00:34
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None of them do. They're vague existences created by aligned ideas/emotions, not by specific believes in themselves; as long as you're doing something aligned to their natures, it empowers them and they care little if you're doing it intentionally. Daemons are more invested in belief and praise on themselves though, for the sake of maintaining individuality, while doing things in name of their patron gods to gain favor.
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Nov 12, 2012 00:49
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All Alpha Legion marines identify themselves as Alpharius.
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Nov 15, 2012 02:44
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IIRC the Eisenhorn series takes place shortly after the Gothic War, so it's early (200-300) M41. Gaunt's Ghost takes place around the Sabbat Worlds Crusade some 500 years later. The Tyranids first showed up around this time, too.
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Nov 15, 2012 19:17
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No. Important people get to live hundreds of years; Joe Imperial without access to rejuvenat treatments gets as many years as his physiology will hold in whatever environment he lives in, from a relatively easy 60-70 in a verdant agriworld, to being lucky if he makes it past 40 as an underhive labourer. As for ship crews, nominally enlisted personnel get what you'd expect in terms of tours of duty and shore leaves, but the slave labour that's the engine gangs are either born on board or literally corralled from the lower classes of whatever suitable pits top the ship finds and pressed into work to replenish numbers lost by combat/natural attrition. This is the norm for Imperial Navy vessels, but you'll get exceptions like Astartes vessels that are crewed almost solely by chapter serfs and Mechanicum in which even the most menial of menials (that's not a servitor) is part of the priesthood. As for books dealing specifically with the life of one of these nameless many, nope. They're a background detail in books that include a significant description of life on a WH40k ship above a certain size, but little more.
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Nov 16, 2012 03:39
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The Ultramarines books are lazily written and terribly formulaic, with plots that have little internally consistent logic and using elements that make even less sense when external reasoning is applied on them. And no, no refuge in "rule of cool" or "WH40K METAL AS FUUUUUU-"; it's just retarded poo poo. There's only so many times you can read about Uriel Sue solving the situation by not following some inviolably stupidly specific doctrine in the codex astartes (and then getting punished for it) before part of your brain starts turning to lifeless mush. The number is 5, and you get there before the end of the first book. If you want an ultramarines story go read Know No Fear.
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Nov 19, 2012 21:38
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McNeil's Ultramarine's series was written with the old fluff. Also it's bad so disregard them. Space Flashman is kind of a comedy series so... (also old fluff). As for the traitor legions, it varies from region to region (and some authors because they didn't do their research) but in general it is known that there was a civil war, after all that's basic on how the Emperor came to "ascend" to the Golden Throne, but the fact that the traitor primarchs are still going about and have become daemon princes isn't common knowledge.
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Nov 20, 2012 02:49
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Azubah posted:I thought it was after wiping out Armageddon once or twice the Imperium figured out killing everyone who has had contact with chaos was a pretty lovely tactic. Yeah, the aftermath of the 2nd war for Armageddon led to a lot of changes within the Inquisition. It was that bad of a clusterfuck.
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Nov 20, 2012 03:03
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Impaired Casing posted:Aw, I sort of liked Uriel in it. He was like the one boy scout Space Marine, and his devotion was so over the top I loved it. It was an "Oh Uriel, you scamp! Get out of here and go purge the unclean... For the Emperor!" vibe for the most part, and I had fun with it. That wasn't an Inquisitor, that was Kaldor Draigo, Lord of Titan, Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights and the Samurai Jack of the WH40k universe. But yeah, there isn't much Death Guard stuff to go around. The Flight of the Eisenhorn book deals with them a bit but it's a pretty lackluster book past the first third of it. As for other traitor legion stuff outside of HH books, ADB's Night Lords books are great, and I've heard good things of Storm of Iron (which ties in to the Ultramarines Omnibus, regardless of how much as I dislike it). On more general space marine stuff, Helsreach gets you your fill of Black Templars.
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Nov 20, 2012 08:03
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Yes, the world needs more Andrej. Best character.
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Nov 20, 2012 08:54
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Cooked Auto posted:Are you sure you aren't talking about the first war as the second was against the orks and I have no recollection of the Inquisition making any purges after that one. Yeah, sorry, first war.
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Nov 20, 2012 18:35
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Actually, as with all things pertaining to Imperial bureaucracy, the Inquisition has a fairly complex organizational structure, though ranks and such are mainly a way for inquisitors to regulate (and police) each other; outside the Inquisition itself all inquisitors wield functionally similar power.
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Nov 21, 2012 01:21
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I'd say that since the latest half of the HH series, there's been a push back into "dehumanizing" astartes (while keeping them relatable), though only ADB gets it very right.
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Nov 26, 2012 21:45
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Mr.48 posted:Ugh, still trying to slog through Night Lords, and Talos is getting more annoying with every passing page. Also, his guys keep winning fights for no logical reason. They inflict about the same amount of damage on their opponents as they suffer themselves, and yet every time they just get up, dust off their armor and move along while their opponents die. I think I might just have to stay away from chaos marine fluff, because if this is the best of it, I'm unimpressed. If you mean the fight against the other claw, they almost died, as should become more apparent quickly enough; also they win fights because they're the best of the warband aside from the terminator honor guard.
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Dec 7, 2012 00:57
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He didn't stun him, he blinded him by covering his visor slits with his own blood.
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Dec 7, 2012 03:20
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Azubah posted:Aren't they fighting "newer" marines? I thought post Heresy marines sucked compared to ones from their era. No. Mutations aside, basic capabilities are the same, and though training and tactics differ, they're all still astartes. In fact, traitor legionnaires are usually worse off due to having to live off scavenged equipment, even if they sometimes have access to relics from the heresy era. Their biggest asset is that, through luck or skill, heresy-era marines that survive into the 41st millennium are veterans of the Long War. They are bad motherfuckers.
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Dec 7, 2012 04:39
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Schneider Heim posted:Didn't Bjorn say something pertinent to that in the Emperor's Gift? Haven't read the book, but it was brought up in this thread. 'God-Emperor?' The Dreadnought made the sound of gears slipping, grinding together. From the booming augmetic tone, I assumed it was supposed to be laughter. Either that, or an internal weapons system reloading. 'Calling him a god was how all this mess started.' Kysnaros was wrong-footed again, thrice now in a single minute. 'What do you... I don't-' 'Nothing. Times change, and that's the truth of it.' ... 'You... You walked in the Age of the Emperor?' Bjorn made the gear-grinding chuckle again. 'Walked, ran, pissed and killed. I did it all. I met the Allfather, you know. Fought at his side more than once. I do believe he liked me.'
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Dec 7, 2012 19:55
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berzerkmonkey posted:What is also fun is that due to the wackyness of the warp, you could die in a battle tomorrow and pop out of the warp three years later to fight another battle, because, in reality, you arrived at the second battle first due the the vagaries of the warp. I bet this could lead to some awkward moments. "You?! What sorcery is this? I slayed you a century ago, you chaos filth!" "HAR HAR, SLAY CRUSHEPHUS? CRUSHEPHUS IS INVINCIBLE! CRUSHEPHUS WILL NEVER FALL! DIE IMPERIAL DOG! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" *in another battle* "MIGHTY CRUSHEPHUS WILL CONQUER ANOTHER WORLD! ALL YOU IMPERIAL DOGS DO IS JUMP ONTO MY BLADES, AND FOR WHAT, TO DENT CRUSHEPHUS' MIGHTY WAR PLATE? HAR HAR!" *cough* "On the blood of my brothers, I swear to my Emperor, I will be your death this day, chaos filth!"
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Dec 10, 2012 18:38
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It used to be around 10k per legion but it's been retconned since the HH series started.
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Dec 11, 2012 21:08
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Lorgar - Became like a god himself, retreating to his own meditations to contemplate the greatness of chaos while leaving the running of his legion to themselves. Magnus - Controls his legion from the planet of sorcerers while gathering knowledge etc. Perturabo - Got the fortress world that he wanted and loosely guides his legion from there. Mortarion - Like Perturabo, but with more roaming. Fulgrim - They hosed his fluff so we don't even know. The first two have little desire or need to leave the eye, while the rest do it occasionally but the goal to destroy the Imperium is just not there anymore.
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Dec 12, 2012 20:18
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Shroud posted:You almost have that in Sacrifice. There's a few short stories where you learn that the Grey Knights' armor is sanctified through the sacrifice of psykers and their ammo is also sanctified in the blood of "good" people who are executed. That's all there since Codex: Daemonhunters.
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Just finished Wrath of Iron; good book, and a suitably grimdark piece. Liked it better than the previous Wright book I read (Battle for the Fang), which ended on similar note of the Imperium and its institutions enduring while most of the protagonists meet cruel ends. Moving onto Pariah then Betrayer once I get my grubby hands on it.
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