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Azran posted:If I remember right, there was something about a transforming Land Raider which deployed Terminators armed with multilasers. I need to read that  Anyway, I've been on a Fantasy spree lately. I've been incapable of getting my paws on the Sword of... duology, so I followed the next recommended books on the OP. Honourkeeper is a suprisingly good tragedy by Nick Kyme, it plays the typical elfs vs dwarf bickering without being overly focused on it. Really liked that pretty much everybody dies horribly and none of the survivors emerge unscathed of this conflict. It just crushes the usual cliches of these type of stories Good read. Just finished the 2nd book of the Malus Darkblade series, notice that Dan Abnett is coauthor of these alongisde Mike Lee, so it makes them good by default. Very entertaining books, with a somewhat cliche plot, but the characters are interesting, especially because we don't get much (not crap) fantasy books focused in the evil races. Also, huge amounts of backstabbing and treachery. Spite, you're the best character 
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Yeah, each great company is chapter sized. Where is that mentioned? Haven't read the last couple of codex, so maybe I'm a bit out of date, but never thought them to be that big.
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Just finished it, and I feel that Unremembered Empire quality is dragged down due to having to contend with many plots from other books, like Nick Kyme Vulkan's inmortality, seriously, was that poo poo neccesary? it seemed way too forced and warped all the plot to deal with it. The good thing is we got to have fun with Curze being badass. Also, it made me smile when Sanguinius says how a sad fate is to be consigned in a casket for all eternity in a cellar of the fortress and Guilliman answers: "It is not a fate I would wish Oh, Roboute, you poor bastard 
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The Rat posted:From a few pages back. I've finished two of the three books in the Warlord Chronicles, and I'm loving it so far. I can definitely see how ADB would use this as a basis for his Warmaster series. A lot of the themes are very grimdark 40k-ish, particularly the fading knowledge and skill of the Romans and the dwelling on "If only X had done this, things might be different." I second that. Finishing the third book and they are pretty good, it has constant decay and religious zealotry similar to what you can find in the 41st millenium.
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Impaired Casing posted:I just bought, and finished, Chris Wraight's "Scars". It was nice to get a look at the White Scars during the heresy, since them and the Death Guard get no love whatsoever, but both are in this book. It was enjoyable, and I loved why the White Scars decided to remain loyal. Plus, there is a flash back to Ullanor where Fulgrim, Mortarion, Jagahati, and Sanguinius are talking about how the regular citizens bet on which one of them would win in an all out brawl. Obviously it's supposed to be ironic, because they end up killing each other, but the way they talked about it was just funny. If you got a couple bucks to waste, waste it on this. I loved it. Just finished it myself and it's pretty decent, not ADB level but good nonetheless, however there were some things that I found odd. What purpose served the plot line of Yesugei's voyage? It seemed pretty pointless to me and adds little to the main plot, it had some nice insight about the librarium and Nikaea though. While I enjoyed the dialogue between Jaghatai and Magnus, the one with Mortarion was a bit silly. Yeah, you hate psykers and you wanted "purity", but your right hand man and confident(Typhon) was chief librarian of the Death Guard and the man responsible of corrupting the entire legion to Nurgle. Finally, the scene when an entire company of White Scars does a boarding action with motherfucking void jetbikes is probably stupid, but is so hilarously over the top is hard not to enjoy it Worth it to buy it as a whole, I would probably killed myself if I had bought it chapter by chapter.
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Azran posted:Which reminds me - never, ever read something from Abnett in Spanish. All the amazing play-on-words he does is completely lost in these translations, since they just go straight for the word he's actually replacing. I think it depends on how good the translator is rather than the language, but yeah, the spanish version don't do justice to Abnett, it sucks but it's pretty common. I have a lot of black library books in spanish and I switched to the original version in ebooks to avoid crappy translations.
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About the size of the legions, they tend to vary widely in size, and, as far as I know, the only one we know the exact numbers are the Ultramarines with two hundred and fifty thousand dudes, which is a mind numbing number.
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handbanana125 posted:Didn't A Thousand Sons / Prospero burns establish the TS and SW as having around 9k and 15k respectively due to their hosed up genetics? I always got the impression that they were among the smaller ones. Dog_Meat posted:Quick google - 3000 left of his 80,000 marines True enough, but they usually give vague accounts of the numbers and organitzation of each legion, on the other hand Know no Fear gives an accurate number and the basic organitzation of the Ultramarines, which is quite fitting of the character of this particular legion. I don't remember the bit about Deliverance Lost, maybe because *Gav Thorpe*. handbanana125 posted:I just finished reading the Armageddon Re-issue, does anyone recommend the Scars book for an entertaining read? I'm looking for some fun Spacemans fighting after polishing off Caesar's Conquest of Gaul. Scars is decent, but it's fairly slow in the beginning and the pacing/interest varies widely from chapter to chapter. Now that I think about it, it's like the starting trilogy of the Horus Heresy about the Luna Wolves but for the Scars, it introduces the characters, defines their personality and sets their position in the Heresy. Edit: ^^^^ Also, in Scars Leman Russ says the Wolves numbers are vastly depleted in relation to other legions due to the scourge of Prospero and their previous engagements in the Great Crusade. I assume that at the end of the Heresy their numbers were among the smallest of the non-Istvaan loyalists and this explains their small second founding. Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jan 17, 2014 |
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One Legged Cat posted:I'm also loving the conversations so far, especially when Malcador mentions to Dorn: (just fluff spoilers) Agreed, I laughed so much when I saw that, I wish so hard for ADB's Master of Mankind to be published. I hope we'll get an explanation to why the Emperor appears to be such a dick. Nah, probably not.
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I think the rival of Nurgle is Tzeench, not Slaanesh, due to the dicotomy of Tzeench power comes from hope and change against Nurgle's despair and hopelessnessFried Chicken posted:And I liked him calling out the stupidity of the orientalism of the white scars before he had to go into it by editorial fiat. Can you elaborate more on this, please? I probably missed this.
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Yep Nick Kyme's 40k books are really bad, on the other hand, I found Honourkeeper to be pretty decent (especially being a warhammer fantasy book). Maybe the grim darknaess of the 41st millenium is not his thing.
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UberJumper posted:Honestly all i want is an updated version of Chaos Gate. I share your pain, brother  Heck, I would even be satisfied with a GoG-version of Chaos Gate that actually worked in Win 7.
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Jan 20, 2014 21:53
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Kegslayer posted:Even the multiplayer is dead? drat. Space Marine had a really good multiplayer (when it worked) and really captured the feel of immortals beating the poo poo out of each other. Yeah, it was a blast (when it worked), if they had dedicated servers instead of whatever poo poo they where using, it would have been much better. Now I feel really sad that I never maxed my multiplayer level (just unlocked all items). UberJumper posted:Also the turn based strategy game, for epic looks kind of awful: I believe it was being developed by Slitherine, so it will be pretty grognardy. Also, that picture reminds me so much of Rites of War, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
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mllaneza posted:It's going to be Panzer General > Rites of War > runs ok on Win7. This is a huge loving win, the PG style games are all about tactical wargaming and building up a unit over multiple battles. It was perfect for 40k when RoW came out and it's perfect now. And the best thing is there won't be any loving eldars, by the Emperor, I hate the space elves with a passion.
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Arquinsiel posted:Right, he got back to me. Apparently the methodology for getting Chaos Gate working is thus: That's the assault on the fortress? I think I experiencied that bug more than a decade ago The truth is Chaos Gate's code is a mess and it's performance varies widely from computer to computer, the only way I know it works smoothly is using a windows 95 emulator like virtual pc or installing it in an older computer.
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Imagine what the Emprah would say if he could talk again. Also, the problem about believing in god and poo poo is the warp's tendency to gently caress around with it, like in Ghostbusters, so if the Emprah wasn't so bend into secrecy and told the truth from the beginning about the true nature of the warp and it inhabitants, humankind (maybe) wouldn't be in such a mess. In retrospect, getting punched in the face by Horus serves him right.
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Yep, it's a custodes. I don't remember when they retconned them to be like this, with the golden armor, but their original appeareance in the Rogue Trader rulebook was pretty bizarre: Also, if I recall correctly, they were described as superior to the astartes but less loyal, which is quite shocking considering they were the guardians of the Emperor and the imperial palace. Maybe they did that to make them ressemble the roman Praetorian Guard?
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UberJumper posted:Aka battle of the abyss Let us never speak of that again. On a more serious note, I thought the starchild/sensei plot was not canon anymore, but it seems that pieces of still lingers in the current fluff. Also, it shares a great number of similitudes with the philosphies of the Thorian faction of the Inquisition, focused on the resurrection of the Emperor. Edit: I looked through my physical copy of Battle of the Abyss (in spanish, don't ask) and it has a dedication quote expressing his thanks to Nick Kyme, never noticed that. If he had a hand in this book, then I can actually understand that Vulcan Lives is crap too. Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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The origins of the whole "everyone who sees daemons dies" fluff is really old, specifically it appears in the Realms of Chaos: Slave to Darkness book, published in 1988, p. 247 in the Ordo Malleus & Grey Knights section, which is quite worthy of a read. In truth, it doesn't speak about civillians, but if it says that any troops are expendable, except Astartes which are only "mindscrubbed", so this formed the basic fluff about the Grey Knights that was later expanded in that article about the First War for Armaggedon in 1992.
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In short, every primarch is an rear end in a top hat with daddy issues, he has a legion full of criminal scum (the same ones he terrorized in his batman days), his legacy of law and order shattered down in his absence and he's half-crazed by painful visions of the future. So yeah, vindication, undestood as a "I was right all along" and "gently caress you universe, I'm tired of all this poo poo". The irony and tragedy is that nobody remembers anything of this in the 40k M, since all of this was kept secret and the major part of his sons couldn't care less about it.
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The assasin was sent after the end of the Horus Heresy, so it makes no sense that he was assasinated due to his crimes on the Crusade, but considering this is another example of old fluff retconned in the new Heresy book, it's no surprise there's inconsistencie. However, considering the fact that the whole Konrad Kurze/M'shen thing's purpose is to be a reference to the Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now, then it's probably we're reading too deep.
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Aziraphale posted:I hope the dialogue from Empy is red letter text like when Jesus talks in New Testament. I've always imagined the Big E talking in caps, like the Death in the Discworld novels, Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Waroduce posted:I really really liked it and thought it did a great job with the Legions all asain gimmick. The author even calls it bullshit in the text. Im not familiar with their fluff before, but why didn't you like it? Its def a HH book Id recommend as one of the better ones. Really disliked it's pace, it's inconsistent and pretty much all of it's plots served no purpouse. Enjoyed the action scenes, especially the spaceship boarding with heavy jetbikes and how it fleshed the legion, the Khan and indirectly, the Death Guard and Mortarion.
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The oldest image I can recall of Horus is this, from one of the Realms of Chaos books: So yeah, he's probably always been a baldie, but nothing screams evil like a bald man. Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Mar 13, 2014 |
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berzerkmonkey posted:Khopesh. But a khopesh seems more suited to the Word Bearers - I would imagine Fulgrim to have a very elegant rapier. More really suited for the Thousand Sons, they are the Egyptian theme legion.
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The Astartes Pattern Baldness is so common between the Adeptus Astartes we can only conclude it was designed by the Emprah of Mankind himself. Also, it makes you better at singing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK5-uE5JFg
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berzerkmonkey posted:My GW Thunderbolts easily fit in about the cockpit space of the FW Thunderbolt... Do you have some pic of this? I woud like to see it if it's possible. And yes, Titans and orks are the best thing ever, that's why Final Liberation still has a soft spot in my heart, even if it's not a really good game. I pray that the upcoming Armageddon game by Slitherine to be decent enough.
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Waroduce posted:I dont think there were enough if them left. I think alot of them died on Istavaan. I could be wrong i havent had my coffee yet Exactly this. I know the numbers have been retconned, but the old fluff said that only three salamanders managed to escape Istvaan carrying the geneseed of their brothers so they could rebuild the legion.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:They'd make a lot more money off of an AAA high budget game than they'd make off of Plants vs. Zombies 40k edition - which is an actual thing, though the name escapes me - but GW's business department isn't known for their brains. Storm of Vengeance, horrible horrible poo poo, in addition it's a total rippoff of a previous game by the same company, Ninja Cats versus Samurai Dogs, go look at it in youtube and despair. It's a shame, because the 40k franchise has a pretty good potential to produce at least some entertaining games. Or if they aren't going to produce some good games, let GOG publish the old ones.
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Cream_Filling posted:But yeah it's really too bad about Relic because they seemed to really 'get' 40k and I enjoyed all of their games. If Space Marine 2 had been made and was successful, and all the business stuff had come together, you might have even seen an Inquisitor game from them on that engine, since they don't really seem to care about switching genres. Yeah, event though Relic made some questionable design choices, their 40k games were pretty interesting and they did get the fluff and the atmosphere of the setting. Space Marine 2, with multiplayer based on people's dedicated servers and moddable enough would have been a blast to play. Pity it will never come to pass. And BFG it's pretty much the perfect example of a brand with lots of potential for pc games that right now it's not generating money for GW due to it being discontinued on tabletop. With games like Nexus: Jupiter Incident, Homeworld, or even Sins of a Solar Empire, it isn't hard to imagine how a BFG game would do. Also, Chaos Gate, bring it back (in a playable version) you loving GW 
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In the end yes, but I suppose you should go first through the hierarchy of the Adeptus Terra, the Imperial Army or the Inquisition, depending of the type of complaint and the identity of both chapters. I think it's not the same complaining about how those guys are dicks as opposed to matters like "dude, I saw this chapter of adeptus astartes eating alive an entire company of sororitas" (true history) or something like "this astartes are hoarding and using chaos tainted artifacts" (true history, too). Also, it's not the same complaining about the Ultramarines (righteous bastards) or the Dark Angels (they don't give a gently caress).
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PantsOptional posted:Is this the horrible mismanagement of the Grey Knights, and the Relictors, respectively? Yup, Sons of Malice and Relictors, truly your nicest champions of mankind. FrozenDorf posted:The Grey Knights didn't eat the Sororitas, they just reaped their bodies and used their blood as a layer of Wards. Haven't read that, where I can found this magnificent piece of literature?
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Speaking of 40k related music, Chaos Gate had a killer soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krdISG8U3Zk Nothing feels more 40k than opressive and ominous pseudo-latin chanting. Be sure to check song 5 for the infamous Ultramarines chant.
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Cardiac posted:I also read Blood of Asaheim and it is kinda interesting how the Death Guard relates to sorcerors. Which is hilarious, because his most trusted advisor, Calas Typhon, was supposed to originally be the Chief Librarian of the Legion, but now it seems to be retconned as the First Captain, ok fine, but how would he guide the fleet to Terra without psykic abilities and get purposely lost in the warp for the the Legion be converted to Nurgle?
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Easy, it's not a matter of who has more primarchs, but the quantity of soldiers and resources avalaible. In that regard, the Imperium is massive and it's still the most powerful faction in the universe, but it's own titanic size makes it slow and unwieldy, it just can't use it's resources effectively. The thing with Chaos is they are divided and they are equally at war among themselves and with the Imperium, that's the reason why the Black Crusades of Abbaddon are so feared, they are the only moment when the forces of Chaos unite and act as a more or less cohesive force. Also, the primarchs are assholes and the majority of them aren't interested in the eternal war anymore.
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Agreed, but I think it's a side efect of being portrayed by several different writters of varied quality rather than an intended one. Really liked how Talos though about Curze and how the other members of the Legion viewed him (with amusement) as a rather idealistic fellow in a group of cynics and pragmatics.
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VanSandman posted:Sevatar calls him out on being a total loving lunatic in denial of his own lunacy in "Prince of Crows." It's great. And he was probably right, considering he spent time in Kurze's mind and all. Seriously, the Night Lords were a train wreck of a legion and I wonder how they managed to operate as a cohesive unit, they seem fantastic as riders and pirates though.
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Haven't seen the Ultramarines movie, but drat, that video quality looks like a bit more polished cinematic from a game made in the 90's, like Chaos Gate. The videos from Mark of Chaos definitely looks better than this.
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Libluini posted:I've finally finished the Battlefleet Gothic novels and I'm impressed. The adventures of the Lord Solar Macharius were interesting, to say the least. Also, the books get bonus points for showing a lot of the inner workings of the Imperial Fleet and, of course a Dark Eldar cruiser being destroyed by the black hole powering it running amok. I heard they were kinda uninteresting, will give them a try, thank you. bunnyofdoom posted:Those books got me to start playing BFG online. Loved those books and I am sad there was not a third one. Please, could you tell me more about this?
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