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Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

Nephilm posted:

It depends on chapter; most aim for the strongest on whatever world they have available for recruitment, and in the case that's a hive world, then they'll go for ganger youths.

However, once they're in they're subjected to all the rigorous psych screening and indoctrination that makes them proper marines of their chapter. Of course, a proper marine is also up to interpretation on a per chapter basis, which means that anywhere from mild psychopathy to utter disregard for the life of anyone outside the chapter may be acceptable.

I finished Wrath of Iron a week or so ago and man, the Iron Hands are dicks.

# ¿ Aug 31, 2012 23:00

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# ¿ May 4, 2024 21:07

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

jadebullet posted:

Also, in general, how do the SM battle books stack up? I know that Helsreach is considered #1, and that Hunt for Voldemort is considered to be pretty poo poo, but what about the rest of them?

I enjoyed Wrath of Iron, but I eat up everything with the Iron Hands.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2012 04:27

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Wraight chat:

I have to say Wrath of Iron has grown on me. Usually the books that feature a specific chapter or segment of the Imperium seem to be trying to get you to see how totally awesome they are. It's a nice change to have a book that just lays out how the defenders of humanity are total bastards with emotional problems, and certainly more in line with the 40k ethos.

I expected bolter porn (didn't know anything about Wraight's writing) and I got a book that made the Iron Hands being complete assholes!

It's great! I absolutely loved that one character arc was just about becoming an rear end in a top hat like everyone else.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2012 08:01

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

jadebullet posted:

So I am wondering if the Abnett quote of "The next time I need a galaxy burned, I'm calling Zho" on Emperor's Mercy is actually a sarcastic comment.

I would bet cash money that they paid him to say that.

Though I will say that Blood Gorgons wasn't completely awful _{_{(Emperor's Mercy was)}}

# ¿ Oct 4, 2012 00:09

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

Arquinsiel posted:

You know how you used to blow into the cart of a NES game?

Also there was a fun comic about a marine's lost bolter floating around somewhere.

I believe that that was part of Damnation Crusade, a comic about Black Templars killing everything under the sun. The fluff and novels seem to (or at least used to) flip-flop a lot when it comes to the AdMech's knowledge of machines, the reality of machine spirits, etc.

I like the idea of a lasgun having just enough intelligence to get mad at the guardsmen that doesn't take care of it.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2012 06:04

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Therion posted:

Now to read Inquisition War (even though the reviews for it seem to be a bit more negative).

It's good, if only for the incredibly convoluted plans that the various conspiracies that are featured have. Also, The Emperor is schizophrenic

# ¿ Nov 26, 2012 22:16

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

Ha! Looks like someone hasn't read Wrath of Iron. Which is great, by the way, and probably the least sympathetic portrayal of Space Marines in the BL. It has an inverted character arc wherein the protagonist gradually becomes a self-loathing murderous rear end in a top hat like the rest of his chapter.

Wrath of Iron makes me want to make an Iron Hands army in which the bases are absolutely covered in dead Guardsmen.

Unfortunately I am in college and like having two kidneys so I'll nevwr be able to afford to do so.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2012 09:56

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

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# ¿ Dec 27, 2012 07:10

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

Nephilm posted:

Still holding hope they'll sometime hint that the Dark Eldar have Khan and have been torturing him for the past several thousand years, but alas it never happpens.

Dorn is actually alive somehow and is secretly Asdrubael Vect.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2012 11:36

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

Darth Walrus posted:

Basically, weapon design differences are due to three things:

* Poorly-understood technology. Standard Template Constructors are basically magic boxes that things come out of to most of the Imperium. This means that the odds on a lasgun manufacturer perfectly understanding what he's making, what components are necessary/beneficial and so on are low in the extreme... and if he did understand all that, there's a not-insignificant chance of him being executed for techno-heresy.

* Poor communication. The Imperium is huge, and even astrotelepathic communication is slow, expensive, and unreliable. As such, establishing a consistent knowledge-base and manufacturing standard is almost impossible across a single subsector, let alone the whole galaxy. This is exacerbated by the fact that people don't always ''want'' to communicate - the Adeptus Mechanicus are insular and hyper-competitive, jealously guarding the secrets that give them their edge.

* Variable resources. The real magic of STC technology is that you can make it out of just about anything, and so designs will be heavily affected by the level of available technology. Whereas a feudal world would use wood and metal to make their lasguns, for instance, a forge world might use advanced plastics and ceramics.

Note that, AFAIK, no STCs have been found (not for lack of trying). Images of STCs and blueprints/diagrams/etc of what they make have been found but that's it.

Other than that, I would agree with you on the three points.

Didn't a Gaunt's Ghosts book feature a STC that made evil Iron Men?

# ¿ Jan 8, 2013 04:12

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Infected Mushroom posted:

It's kind of odd that it didn't. Why were they numbered that way then; just old lore or is there an actual reason?

I would assume that the legions had numbers before the Primarchs were found.

I'm surprised at how quickly Ferrus was found. I hope that that somehow means that he'll be important in an upcoming book.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2013 23:43

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

Thank the Emperor that Chris Wraight is one of the Good Ones.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2013 03:17

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

I wonder if BL is going to do an April Fools day prank today. They really got me good with the Sister of Silence audiobook last year.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2013 18:49

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VanSandman posted:

Hey, if you need a 40k fix and have read everything ADB/Abnett's written, Chris Wraight writes some pretty good Space Wolves stuff. Battle for the Fang was not an anomaly.

Wrath of Iron is one of the books that "gets" how alien and bizarre Space Marines can be.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2013 22:01

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Can-O-Raid posted:

Even without being a god, human belief has been established as having a real effect on reality in 40k (see the Sororitas' miracles, the Chaos gods, etc.) Plus he has 100,000 psykers jumper cabled to his cranium at any given moment. The one book that features the emperor in the 40k era was part of the Inquisition War trilogy and was written a long time ago, before a lot of the fluff got worked out. In it the emperor is fragmented into multiple personalities and basically completely insane.

I like that after he talked to the Emperor, he just leaves Terra, slightly upset that his questions weren't answered and that he wasted his time. What a great series :allears:

# ¿ Jun 9, 2013 22:23

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Is the BL cover art always so hilarious?

As much as I love Wrath of Iron, it has pretty wonky cover art. Lookit dem binocular eyes.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2013 10:25

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

Deff Skwadron isn't really bolter porn. Also it owns.

There was also that other comic where an imperial guard commander of some sort is mistaken for a Warboss's lucky grot.

# ¿ Jun 15, 2013 22:32

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Pyrolocutus posted:

If you get into the RPG books, there's actually more than a few alien races that have individuals that have turned to Chaos, or the race as a general whole worships Chaos. It's just that they're not as visible as the other races in the setting.

For the Tau, I'm not sure what the justifications would be, but despite their relative inexperience with Chaos, I'd suspect the Ethereals are canny to what's going on and are involved in secret efforts to root out Chaos in the Tau Empire. Orcs don't fall to Chaos per se because the Chaos Gods know that Gork 'n Mork'll krump 'em if dey trys anyfing tricksey wit da orkz.

I remember reading that Tau have really tiny souls that daemons usually just ignore. Could just be fan conjuncture, especially considering Farsight's daemonblade.

# ¿ Jul 1, 2013 22:20

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

I really wish some of the "lesser" legions would get a novel or two set during the Heresy. I'd love to see the Iron Hands' slow descent into self-loathing technophiles or the White Scars whatever.

Are there any good Iron Hands or White Scars books besides Wrath of Iron?

# ¿ Jul 5, 2013 04:40

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Fried Chicken posted:

Those stats also result in things like the recoil from firing its main gun being enough that it should go flying. IITC the internal volume for the salamander works out to something where you'd have a dozen guys in 1 cubic meter.

That is just the secondary propulsion system of the Leman Russ. How do you think it manages to get to the battlefield?

# ¿ Jul 8, 2013 05:38

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JerryLee posted:

Well, like I said, that's the thing--most of the negative parts are there on the page, but usually nobody, either the loyalist characters in the books or the narrators writing them, acknowledge it (though one hopes that the less repulsive writers like Abnett and ADB are at least fully self-aware about it).

Wrath of Iron is a pretty good book when it comes to showing how terrible the Space Marines and the Imperium are if you aren't part of the elite that agree with them. It's probably my favourite of the Space Marines Battles books and I hope Chris Wraight does another Iron Hands book.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2013 05:46

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DrTrouble posted:

I just picked up betrayer and mark of calth and look forward to wasting my free time this weekend catching up in the series! I've not really gotten past the Horus heresy series, any recommendations for 40k?

Chris Wraight is my favourite space marine author that isn't Dan Abnett or ADB so you should check out Wrath of Iron or Battle of the Fang.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2013 18:05

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

It's too bad that Ferrus Manus is almost definitely dead because he would be loving appalled at his legion.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2013 08:19

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Schneider Heim posted:

Didn't the Iron Hands turn incredibly hateful towards all Legions because the traitors ruined everything, and the loyalists weren't strong enough to completely beat them?

From what little I've read about Ferrus pre-Heresy, he valued strength and disapproved those who weren't strong enough. Wasn't that how the Iron Hands still behaved after his death? They weren't exactly a humane legion.

Ferrus also didn't like their obsession with bionics and wrote about wanting to remove his own iron skin after the crusade. He was also buddy-buddy with Fulgrim and probably wouldn't approve of their distrust of non-Mechanicum Imperials. The current Iron Hands operate on an extreme version of the Medusan clans and Ferrus's teachings, combined with plentiful machine-worship and self-loathing.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2013 09:58

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Baron Bifford posted:

Which novels touch upon the Emperor's earliest dealings with the Mechanicum? I always wondered why the Emperor put up with their weird beliefs. Wouldn't it have been wiser to convert the tech-priests to the ways of science while they were still limited to Mars, before they grew into a massive galaxy-spanning organization by the Great Crusade?

Mechanicum and a bit of Titanicus deal with the Omnissiah/Emperor split. Mechanicum in particular, being a Horus Heresy novel, deals with "first contact" and the Emperors initial dealings with the AdMech.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2013 20:23

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The Inquisition War teilogy is pretty great, in a bizarre way. It definitely evokes a weird, alien future in a way that no other 40k novel can.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2013 03:02

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Is Phil Kelly a good BL author? I like his codexes generally but I don't know if his short story is any good.

Basically, I just want more Iron Hands content.

# ¿ Sep 18, 2013 17:21

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TheStampede posted:

Yeah, I saw that today too. I really like all the weapons strapped to his back. Was that mentioned in a book? I don't recall it being noted in Fulgrim, the only written bit about Manus I've personally read.

The cover of Fulgrim also has him wielding a giant wrench, so I wouldn't think that it's an authority. Too bad that it's the only HH book with a significant Iron Hands/Ferrus Manus presence.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2013 17:04

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thespaceinvader posted:

I'm fairly sure that's a techmarine-style fixing-stuff harness, not weapons.

I have to wonder what his servo-chainsword is for.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2013 23:21

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UberJumper posted:

I know he is autistic but when the emperor went and made his first son, was he like "hmmm i have dozens of other things to give him, gently caress it lets give him autisim, for shits and giggles". I just find it werid that the only thing the emperor gave him was autism.

I get the feeling that the Emperor decided to make the first Primarch super good at fighting then moved on to the next before giving him anything else.

# ¿ Sep 21, 2013 01:36

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

He's basically the Emperor of Hubrismanity during the Heresy and Great Crusade.

# ¿ Sep 22, 2013 00:46

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Arquinsiel posted:

"Jonson was not amused: he was slot to anger and slow to forgive and Russ's first blow he saw as treacherous". TBH the full story does kind of back up the aspie theory as he has exactly zero concern for Russ's feelings about being called out by some dude and doesn't even TRY to maybe talk about it.
They actually do. There's a few minis with "psyber" eagles and there's at least one Cybermastiff in the Inquisitor game's mini range.

Ravenor also has an Inquisitor warband featuring a women and her pet cybermastiffs, who have guns for faces.
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2013 02:20

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VanSandman posted:

If you want to get that alienation factor, maybe Storm of Iron (or is it Wrath of Iron?) the one with the Iron Hands being all 'gently caress you, into the grinder,' and nobody gets a happy ending.

That would be Wrath of Iron. The Iron Hands are incredibly uncaring, self-loathing and utterly alien soldiers. They couldn�t care less about the lives of their allies or the citizens they were 'liberating'.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2013 18:08

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Arquinsiel posted:

It's literally just AIs they don't like. Regular dumb computers are fine.

Machine Spirits good, true AIs like the Iron Men or the Kaban project bad.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2013 02:38

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Ego-bot posted:

How much control or influence does a founding chapter have over the ones who share their gene-seed?

I just finished The Emperors Gift and I'm wondering if the Inquisition pulled that poo poo with the Imperial Fists or the Ultramarines, would they be going up against dozens of other chapters?

It depends on the Chapter/Legion. The Dark Angels, for instance, practically never split. IIRC, the various Iron Hands successors aren't particularly fond of each other, due to the competitive clan system their companies are organized into.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2013 02:00

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Plastic Scouser posted:

drat. Wrath of Iron is so good. That is all.

It really is.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2013 17:13

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UberJumper posted:

If the warp exists throughout space why do the powers within the warp seem to be localized to the milky way? The chaos gods were born in the milky way, and everything seems to imply their fates are tied to the milky way. Yet if the warp exists everywhere, wouldn't their fate be tied to the other galaxies as well? Like if humanity dies, and all war and death ceases to exist, and everyone lives in peaceful harmony wouldn't that be barely a drop in the bucket, when there are millions of other galaxies Khorne could go get power from?

Other galaxies probably have other gods. The chaos gods are closer to the Greek pantheon than the Abrahamic omnipotent god.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2013 06:41

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Shroud posted:

One of them probably inherited his atheism, and was annihilated and expunged for being a smug bastard. The other started the 30k version of r/mra, I bet.

"Those loving femaxenos need to stop with the false exterminautus claims."

# ¿ Oct 9, 2013 17:32

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

More art of titans drunkenly punching each other please, TIA.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2013 04:30

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# ¿ May 4, 2024 21:07

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Aries posted:

Which brings me to a question: when and where from is the next 40K game coming?

Streum On Studio is doing a Space Hulk FPS.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2013 18:39

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