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Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Wulfolme posted:

I genuinely enjoyed Soul Drinker and Daemonworld by Ben Counter. Has he not kept up a good standard, or did he just fall out of 40k novel writing entirely?

Also, I'm not going to be able to pick up another Gaunt's Ghosts book without a guarantee that Lijah Cuu dies in one of them. Does he, and when? After Straight Silver I was fed up with his presence in my spacewar story.

What Therion said, but you may be better off quitting now if he bothers you that much.

We need a "Fething Cuu :argh:

" smiley mashup.

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Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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MrFlibble posted:

Back in my warham days I seem to recall painting a model of a han solo type guy called Kal Jerico. I read a comic with him in it (ages ago) and it seemed pretty good, had a sort of blackadder in space vibe to it. Are the novels any good? On saying that Wikipedia isn't helping me get the names of the books so they must be pretty old/unpopular.

They're not that old, maybe three or four years? I never got to read them, but the comics had a strangely large effect on me. It wasn't until maybe 10 years after reading them that I had the same beard and hairstyle, and one of my friends noticed it only after I'd had it a while.

Ah college....

# ¿ Jul 8, 2012 01:33

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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He was kind of building to that throughout but it could have been better. Honour Guard is probably one of his worst though.

# ¿ Jul 9, 2012 20:21

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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jadebullet posted:

Of course, because of this, "Helsreach" is starting to get a little confusing for me. Did they retcon the whole Black Templars drop podding in a bunch of marines as part of a crusade?

Black Templars don't have companies, they have "crusades".

# ¿ Jul 10, 2012 19:53

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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jadebullet posted:

Right but in "Helsreach" It give the impression that there are 100 marines from the crusade that are the only ones planetside.

Whereas in "The War for Armageddon" One of the Templar Fortress Monastaries gets hit with an ork Rok, ending with only one survivor, barely alive on top of a pile of corpses. (He becomes the Dread.) It then skips ahead to the Templars arriving in orbit above Armageddon, after tracking the orks that smashed their monastary to the planet. At this time, the war has already started, and they enter orbit and start dropping pods. Ork AA fire hits a bunch of them, and they scatter all over the place. I got the impression from that book that the entire Crusade dropped onto Armageddon.

It's kind of an beauracratic trick to avoid anyone noticing that they took more than 1000 marines to make the chapter. They don't really have the same standardised organisation that other marines do.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2012 00:27

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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TheStampede posted:

There have been three Wars for Armageddon.

Two of them at the same time because GW can't keep poo poo straight.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2012 03:07

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Cream_Filling posted:

Luckily, GW has designed it so that continuity being an absolute shambles is completely in line with the fluff.

They were both led by the same Ork :ssh:

# ¿ Jul 11, 2012 05:06

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Cooked Auto posted:

I'd have to say that goes for Blood Angels and Ultramarines as well considering they are all pretty much two colour schemes.

It always annoys me that GW decided that blood angels are just plain red now. The colour scheme shift from 2nd to 3rd ed left all the locals very confused at my army.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2012 21:05

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Fun fact: the paints they had at the time were made by Coat D'armes. This was done by drybrushing bleached bone over black and then drybrushing THAT with red. Ever since they switched to the shorter pots their red has been worthless poo poo, but the old stuff was pure gold.

The switch in colour scheme pretty much happened at the exact same time they changed paint suppliers to some polish company and when they ditched the red spray. It was a terrible idea all round.

Arquinsiel fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jul 12, 2012

# ¿ Jul 12, 2012 04:08

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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It's the mask thing the vespid squad leaders wear, it's implied that it's a brain-control-device due to them magically understanding the Tau when they had it put on.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2012 00:29

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Baron Bifford posted:

Yeah, I know of that, but why couldn't they access it like the Eldar do? Why did they need to build that gateway on Terra? Why can't humans access the existing gates the Old Ones built?

Serious answer:

Because GW don't always remember if "The Old Ones" or the Eldar built the drat thing in the first place.

Humans have been into it, it takes a Farseer to prevent a gate collapsing and this one time Gotrek and Felix got lost in it (no really).

Baron Bifford posted:

So how does the Imperium figure the Eldar move around? All they'd have to do is capture an Eldar outcast with a grudge against his people or who is so utterly selfish (every society has these types) that he would sell out his people in exchange for riches.

Have you played 40k AT ALL?

CommissarMega posted:

As I understand it, the feeling of wrongness a blank exudes expresses itself in many ways; the most powerful (think capital-P Pariah level) exude an aura of 'should not be' that makes them more terrifying than most daemons- at least daemons are part of the Warp, which is in itself part of the universe. Even if one does not have a soul, one can still feel that aura emanating from them.

And at the other end of the scale is people like Ciaphas Cain's aide Jurgen, who while being able to disrupt psychic signals, is relatively 'un-blank' enough to simply come across as platemail-rumplingly scruffy. I guess the big E only plonked Jurgen-level ladies together in the Sisters, maybe?

The way it was originally explained is that the warp is like space, and every human's soul is a star like a tiny pinprick of light in it, the Emperor a huge inferno and Eldar etc small candles. Blanks are just not there, but if you can see other stars you can see the light being sucked into the blank. Basically think black holes instead of stars, where stars are souls.

Now how would a black hole be able to find another black hole when it can't see the light?

# ¿ Jul 23, 2012 00:44

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

That wasn't the webway, and Warhammer Fantasy does not take place in the same universe as 40k. Also Teclis is not a farseer

It was when Bill King started writing for them and damned if he's giving up on it just because he's been told to.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2012 15:54

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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If the setting wasn't so confusing it'd probably be less fun to mock.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2012 17:49

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Aziraphale posted:

How is 40K a Dune rip off?

Navigators alone man, navigators alone :psyduck:

Also the AI/Butlerian Jihad thing. They never *really* go into why AI is bad in 40k, but basically that's why.

The Chaos stuff is straight out of Fantasy, which stuck names on a few new gods but otherwise lifted most of the world from Elric.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2012 05:39

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Therion posted:

Is Omnissiah still the Void Dragon after that asinine Necron fluff redesign?

No, he's back to being a plain old conceptual god/warp entity/possibly Furnex, Chaos god of machines.

Baron Bifford posted:

Does the Imperium use messenger ships to handle the bulk of its communications? From what I understand, astropaths are too few and too inefficient to handle it all. Who gets to use astropaths anyway? What priority is given?

Is it Military? Yes? Astropath. No? gently caress off, who do you know off-planet anyway?

# ¿ Jul 28, 2012 06:00

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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They'd wanna be, since they just made the model last year or so.

# ¿ Jul 28, 2012 15:14

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Evil_Urna posted:

I totally agree. I did not get that book for a long time because I was so turned off by the cover art.

It's solid 1980's coverart and rocked for it's time.

It's just a pity they re-used it two decades later.

Fried Chicken posted:

That's the plot of Dawn of War 2 - Retribution. The Inquisitor bribes the Ork Freebooters to take out the renegade Space Marine, in return for a fight with 3 regiments of guardsmen on a planet of their choosing. Orks end up betrayed by the Inquisitor but they get away, so in the end the pirate steals the inquisitor's hat, enjoys fighting all the marines, and calls it even.

Bear in mind that the plot of DoW2 was heavily influenced by the novelisation of the first, written by our old friend C.S. Goto.

He lives not all that far from me. I've strongly considered throwing burning poop at his house a few times after reading Eldar Prophesy.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2012 01:41

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Also playing as nids the plot (for the Redemption expansion) would mostly be just "OM (NOM)* <end game>" with none of the actual story involved. Even as 40k plots go it was a retarded one.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2012 03:53

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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berzerkmonkey posted:

What? Are you under the impression that a shotgun like that couldn't exist? http://www.undeadreport.com/2007/12/aa-12-shotgun-anti-zombie-weapon-of-choice/

A bolter does 1D10+5 and is only semi-auto 2.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2012 20:53

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Baron Bifford posted:

In Nemesis, the Black Pariah known as Spear is bound to a daemon. How is this possible? If pariahs block out the Warp, how could a sorcerer have worked his powers on Spear?

Handcuffs or superglue.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2012 16:45

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Baron Bifford posted:

What happens when the workers try to unionize?

Generally this doesn't happen unless something plants the idea in their heads. Tau or Genestealers most likely.

# ¿ Aug 1, 2012 16:24

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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It used to sneak back in now and again, but everyone who wasn't raised in GW has left, and those who remain are all newbies who can't get past how "awesome" it is to have Necrons and Blood Angels buddy up to fight 'nids.

# ¿ Aug 1, 2012 17:24

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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^^^^
In a certain way, the fact that Orks are just football hooligans is a grimdark reflection on how 80's England might have been going down the drain. The London riots make them slightly less funny.

EyeRChris posted:

I think I read somewhere, tvtropes maybe, that orks evolve stronger and bigger if they face a strong enough threat. Khorne is powered by violence itself. Has Khorne Daemons ever squared off against Orks in an endless siege? I'm picturing Titan size Orks facing the Avatar of War that ends in a violent bro fist so epic the planet implodes.

There's a story in some book somewhere about an Ork Waaugh that goes into the Eye of Terror and lands on some Daemonworld. They fight lots of random Khorne Daemons and die horribly. Then the next day, for the evulz, Khorne ressurects them all. The orks live (and die) happily ever after.

ETA: UGH, fukkan teach me to not read the whole thread....

Arquinsiel fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Aug 3, 2012

# ¿ Aug 3, 2012 01:19

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Gormless Gormster posted:

So they pretty much go to Valhalla?

Yes but no. Orks believe that they chill with Gork and Mork for a while until one of them vomits the soul back into a new body for more krumpin'. They're pretty much okay with either ending really.

# ¿ Aug 3, 2012 04:38

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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^^^^
It ain't no Age of Apostasy

Fried Chicken posted:

well, that particular group, yes. Other orks no

Apart from the ones that went to the other Valhalla, who died there.

Baron Bifford posted:

Because the backfluff is probably going to be more of the same. Chaos, Chaos, Chaos! WAAAGHH!, WAAAGH!, WAAAGH!. FOR THE EMPRAH! Burn those heretics! Bolter porn. Corrupt Inquisitors. Dickhead commissars.

The death of the Emperor and the fall of the Imperium will be the most interesting thing to happen to W40K in years. So many of the basic tropes of the setting will be turned on their heads.

Have you paid attention to GW at all over the last 25 years or so? Just curious.

# ¿ Aug 3, 2012 20:09

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FTL communications is handled entirely by psykers in 40k. Guess what the Emperor hated back in them days?

That's right.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2012 17:25

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Yes but Magnus and the Thousand Sons and Prospero and all that. For literally doing this.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2012 18:04

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Degenerate Star posted:

That's because they'd just held the Councill of Nikea, in which it was determined that warp-based sorcery was bad, but Imperial-owned psykers were okay. Magnus grudgingly complied, even though warp sorcery was kind of his thing. Then, heyo, just when thing were getting crazy, Dad gets a message from him using the same method they'd just all agreed was BAD. Dad's anger issues meant that Magnus got a face full of Russ instead of a thank-you note.

I think the reason the news of the massacre didn't travel was just because the loyalists were too jacked up and the eeevil legions weren't going to spread the word. And Ultramar's a long way from Terra. Weak, I know, but this isn't the most coherent fluff ever written.

Also because all psyker activity is warp-based and GW is poo poo at consistency in general.

TBH the details of the Heresy were never meant to be explained, it was just a big mythic event to cause the "fall" necessary for a post-apocalyptic feel.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2012 03:54

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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There's a pretty good chance it's the same editorial staff who allow the rulebooks to go out in the state they do. If so, I'm amazed the novels even make sense individually.

# ¿ Aug 20, 2012 00:51

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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^^^^
I think if asked, the answer would be "they do now".

Thulsa Doom posted:

No one but the Eldar know where they are, and they're guarded by the Eldar, and if you can somehow find them and get past the Eldar guards you might run into a pack of raiders from Commoragh on the other side.

Also, Imperial ships are all gigantic fuckhuge monstrosities, and the gateway the Emperor was building on Terra was as tall as a scout titan.

Craftworlds can fit in, depending on who you ask. Just not necessarily to every single gateway, as they do vary in size. Also possible recursion.

dongsbot 9000 posted:

I didn't particularly enjoy it for a few reasons. There was a bunch of psyker wizard magicks which is jarring compared to something like Ravenor's psyker stuff. There were explicit quotes from stuff like Laozi and Plato and stuff which definitely shouldn't exist in the 30th millenium. And also it was really awkwardly written as you mentioned.

The printing press changed history forever. The digital age changed it even more. I wouldn't be supprised if someone in the 30th millenium is studying an archive of this forum for some anthropological reason.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2012 02:14

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Whoever wrote the script for Space Marine was pretty aware of it too.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2012 05:48

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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EyeRChris posted:

I would kill for a sequel to this. So freaking awesome. The game is the reason I started reading Warhammer 40k books to learn more about the lore.

I've been at these Warhams for a solid 15 years now, and that game did not dissapoint in any way. I kind of want to go play it again now that I'm thinking about it.

berzerkmonkey posted:

Add to that the fact that for a ling time, military tactics were word for word out of a text and there was no deviation whatsoever. Why the hell do you think the British troops hated the Colonists so much? We were savages for hiding behind trees and shooting their commanders!

This is kind of a myth since the AWI was more complex than people really care to learn about (like all wars... blah blah) but your point is correct, the Codex Astartes isn't just a book on war so much as a book on "being the bestest SPESS MAHREEN!" so it does really make sense that it's treated like the bible and there are various levels of seriousness in how it's interpreted.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2012 18:52

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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A large part of the tragic appeal of the primarchs is how they are later venerated by the Imperium at large and, despite protests to the contrary, by the Space Marines themselves when they knew themselves to be just men like any other.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2012 20:19

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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There are a few more Chaos gods floating around too, like Hashut, the Horned Rat, Furnex, Necoho (best god) etc....

# ¿ Aug 27, 2012 22:51

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Mo'rcck is pure "gently caress you" given how many times he sued them over stealing Fantasy wholesale from him.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2012 00:54

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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berzerkmonkey posted:

Morcock never sued GW. He probably could have in the early days, but waaay too much time has elapsed and GW has pretty much made the concept their own at this point. Now GW has been sued by Tolkien - apparently, his estate owns the word "Dwarves" and that is why in the GW world more than one Dwarf is referred to as "Dwarfs."

Back when I paid attention to his website he mentioned having done it a few times. I didn't hear about Tolkien at all, it seems somewhat counter-productive to sue a company that you've licenced the thing to.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2012 13:20

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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berzerkmonkey posted:

Age of Apostasy? The Plague of Unbelief? Battle of the Fang? Numerous Foundings? Literally ten-thousand years of empty history into which they can easily shoehorn something? All the stuff you mentioned has happened in the last one-thousand years of 40K (M41.)

This was long before they licensed the LOTR stuff. That being said, I can't find any verification of the lawsuit through Google, so maybe it was just a rumor.

The Sabbat Worlds Crusade too.

I remember seeing a big rant written by Tolkien himself about how he invented the word therefore he owns it in one of the LotR appendices.

EDIT: might have been in the Silmarillion actually.

Arquinsiel fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Aug 28, 2012

# ¿ Aug 28, 2012 15:20

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Thulsa Doom posted:

The stagnancy gets repetitive after a while. Just reading the same bolter porn over and over will eventually lose its charm, which is why the Heresy is such a big success, and produces some of the best writing from the Black Library. There's plenty of material between the Heresy and 999 M41 that can be covered but there's no reason not to look at the future, either, other than the tabletop end of the business being scared they'll ruin their IP.

The novels exist to sell more space barbies. If they don't directly advance this cause then they don't need to exist.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2012 17:28

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Baron Bifford posted:

Isn't it the other way around? Fanboys buy the novels so they can fantasize about their Space Barbies. That would make sense if the novels are generally such crap.

Yes and no. The novels are kind of a way to get kids in their late teens to consider buying a new army because of what happened in the novels. Most people will keep reading the books long after they stop playing, and occasionally get suckered back in. It's happened to me a few times.

Baron Bifford posted:

What is your favorite miniatures wargame out there?

Force on Force, it is awesome and everyone should try it. If sci-fi is your thing then the Tomorrow's War version might be better.

Infinity and Battletech are also very fun, but Battletech is very much a relic of it's time, and Infinity is clearly an RPG that they filed the serial numbers off.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Displaced by hive development reaching miles above sea level and polluted beyond recognition as "water". 40k Terra looks like a grey metal orb when viewed from space; it's the most developed planet in the Imperium, and there are millions, possibly billions of people on Terra who have never even seen the surface. There are still oceans of chemical pollutants, though, which are discussed a bit in the Space Wolf book Wolfblade, so your H2O molecules would be there.

Using Coruscant logic there are probably horrible steam clouds floating around the planet from all the people and industry. Someone did the maths on Coruscant and apparently it should be physically impossible to keep it cool enough for humans to survive.

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 21:43

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Nephilm posted:

Holy Terra is a horrible place to live. You can safely assume that most of the atmosphere isn't safe for unmodified or unprotected humans, that the parts that are breathable are kept that way using technomagic, and that the rich or well-off-enough live in altogether sealed habs. Also, the bulk of the oceans had been boiled off long before the Great Crusade, to the point that the blue planet was already a distant memory. How it happened is anyone's guess, but considering the technology available to humanity at the time it isn't very far-fetched to think it possible. Where did the water go? Perhaps stripped off the upper atmosphere by solar wind, don't know.

Well the Coruscant maths seems to be suggesting that an "ecumenopolis" of that scale would have problems with all heat dissipation methodologies.... melting. Apparently people get really really warm when you stack them three miles deep.

# ¿ Aug 29, 2012 05:01

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