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Peel
Dec 3, 2007

I'm writing a story in first person present right now, which I don't usually do, because it feels natural for this story which is closely based on the sense experience of a particular person.

If you don't have a particular reason for it though I'd stick to standard form.

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Peel
Dec 3, 2007

An upper limit to words is a good training tool, but the lower limit in the last Thunderdome really threw me because I had to find more to say without bloating it. Which turned out to be an interesting exercise.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

A mistake that leads to good discussion isn't a... well, ok, it is a mistake. But it still led to good discussion.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

If you can't get through more than a few thousand words at a time, write short stories instead. Developing your skills will help you when you embark on a novel later, or maybe you'll discover you don't need to write a novel to say what you want or tell the stories you want.


Jorge Luis Borges was one of the major writers of the last century and never wrote so much as a novella.


e: beaten so I'll add that I think a lot of people get hung up on writing 'a novel' because it's the standard form for professional written fiction in our society, and this burns them out because it's a huge amount of work, especially for a new writer.

Peel fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 26, 2012

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

If you really want to, and you think it'll be entertaining, then do so as much as you would do anything else entertaining. It's not going to kill you. But it'll be inferior as a method of practice or as an artistic product to original fiction, so if you want to be a 'writer' you should do original work too.

Like Gecko I like 'training wheels' as an analogy.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Perhaps the most important difference is that Gaiman and Nolan and so on get real critical feedback on what they write, rather than a tvtropes hugbox.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Helsing posted:

So what do folks here think about present vs. past tense writing?

I've really been struggling with my thunderdome entries recently and was having a lot of trouble with my last entry in particular. Then, inspired by the fact I recently picked up "Wolf Hall" by Hillary Mantel, I decided to try writing in present tense. I immediately found it easier to write and also ended up feeling like the prose was a lot stronger and more interesting. Sentences that felt really flat and dull when they were written in past tense suddenly felt more lively and engaging.

Has anyone else ever found that they were really stuck on a story until they changed up the way they were writing it?

I honestly don't notice the tense after a short acclimatisation when it shifts dramatically, and I'm not at all convinced the choice of time often has the effects authors like to ascribe to it. So write whatever's easiest for you and see where it takes you.

My favourite story was written in first person present which was a departure for me but felt totally natural for the content. Writing it any other way felt intuitively wrong.

Soulex posted:

I got directed here via a critique and I could use some help.

I've been trained to write with the fat completely severed and to make things sound conversational. Broadcast scripts. I'm trying my damndest to start writing a novel. I understand that trying to hit a 70k word book as your first real project is pretty unrealistic and will be difficult. My biggest problem is stretching the words out. I can tell the story effectively in about 10-25 thousand words, and I'm not sure how I can make it. I don't think it would do it any justice making that short. I can post what I have so far, then give an overview of what the story is supposed to be so you all can have an idea of where I can add word count and "fat" to make it longer.

Thanks in advance!

Never pad out your story for the sake of it. Every word should do work. This doesn't mean your writing needs to be ultra-compact - adding tone and rhythm and atmosphere is work. But if you think you can tell the whole story in 10-25k, try that and see what it gives you, you might be surprised. If nothing else it will be good practice for longer pieces.

God knows we have too many hideously bloated books out these days.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Q: I've been worldbuilding my setting for a while now and-

A: Stop. Go to Word. Go directly to Word. Do not pass the Wikia creation form. Do not collect 200 pages of poo poo nobody cares about.



I'm assuming here that this project dates from uni/college or later. If it dates from high school or earlier, abandon it immediately.

Peel fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Jul 28, 2014

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Oh man, somehow I missed the '10' before the years.

Abandon it now. It's stagnant garbage. Work on something new, write some complete, coherent tales that don't need ten years of work. When you're done with those you can return to your Passion Project but you won't want to because you'll be a better writer who can see all the things wrong with it. Whatever's salvageable you can fish out to use in better stories.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Meinberg posted:

That's an important lesson to learn, in a lot of things. Just because you wrote a bad story does not mean that you're a bad writer.

Yeah, this is really important to remember or you'll just be paralysed with fear when you try to write.


It's your second bad story that makes you a bad writer.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

In the future the time-wasting grind of word-by-word writing will be largely automated. Soft literary 'theory' will be replaced by a rigorous neuroscience of language and aesthetic pleasure, which will be used to design computer programs that can take up the task. Without this artificial barrier to entry, writers will be free to focus on their most important resource: story ideas.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

After the great crash brought about by Obama's socialist policies, America becomes the first anglophone country to join the third world. However, due to ubiquitous spelling and grammar checkers, even uneducated Americans can write at a functional level. The lucky make a steady income writing epic fantasies and steampunk zombie novels as 'self-published creators' in the Amazon wordsmitheries. The unlucky trawl the Internet for fans of those works, and spam them with offers to write up their speculations.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

There's no such thing as 'good enough' for Thunderdome as long as you're willing to wear a goofy avatar for a bit if it doesn't work out, and keep plugging away. You still have a baby avatar so why not?

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

docbeard posted:

Thunderdome. This may seem like the comedy option but I'm serious. For me, the combination of deadlines and prompts and low stakes short circuits that I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO WRIIIIIIITE mindset perfectly.

This worked for me too.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Writing good is trendy, I think you should follow your own path.

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Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Literature is vital, you are its beating heart, and the next great American novel is inside you yearning to break free.

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