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Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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So I have two questions. One: I have a project I've been working on for four years and I've passed out copies to multiple persons for feedback. What's an easy and surefire way to prove ownership in case somebody plagiarizes?

Two, the major feedback has been my writing reads not like conventional prose but like a script. Now my education in the field of literature has taught me that all writers started from one base form of writing. Most of the great Elizabethan poets for instance started writing pastoral before they branched out into their own genres. Should I continue writing prose? Or can I branch out into scriptwriting?

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Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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I Am Hydrogen posted:

No one is going to steal you're writing, and if you're actually worried that someone is then stop giving it to a bunch of people to look at.
I need constructive criticism though. And the people who I've passed it out to I trust. I'd post it here but I've posted it here before and I now want to get it so that it at least looks better if not presentable to you goons.

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You can do whatever you want. Write scripts, write Facebook posts, whatever. If you want to get better at fiction then try to figure out why your stuff reads like a script. Do you read books?
I'm reading a book right now. But I read comics more and watch movies/TV shows more often. I'm going to keep writing it as prose for now untill I can get some kind of class on scriptwriting.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Any tips on how to write a good car chase scene?

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Dr. Kloctopussy posted:

Read a bunch of books with car chase scenes in them and take notes, then write your own. NO PLAGARIZING.

Here's some books that have car chases in them, I think:
Drive by James Sallis (yeah, the basis of the movie) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/176378.Drive?from_search=true
Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell, the chase is in Part III, i'm pretty sure https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49628.Cloud_Atlas?from_search=true
Casino Royale by Ian Flemming (James Bond #1) I am mostly guessing that this has a car chase https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3758.Casino_Royale?from_search=true
A lot of other spy books, probably. Every James Bond movie has a car chase, so...the books might? Probably the Bourne books, I think? Didn't the movies have a car chase?
Anything marketed as a Thriller with a car on the cover.
Snow crash i'm too lazy to look it up on goodreads.
Any book with two cars going fast on the cover.
Novelizations of The Fast and The Furious series.
Here's a James Patterson book with a car on the cover, so probably: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13151.London_Bridges
There's also an entire sub-genre of race car driver romance: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8419429-the-chase?from_search=true

Here's a blog post that breaks down one possible way to structure a chase scene:
http://meggardiner.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/writing-chase-scenes/
Thanks Dr. Klocktobussy. Speaking of Bond, I've read From Russia With Love, but I don't remember a car chase. Maybe I oughta re-read it.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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I switched over from OpenOffice to Word 07, and Word has this annoying habit of adding an extra space between paragraphs. It makes it so when I copy-paste it onto Google Documents, it all comes out crammed together and I have to enter in spaces line-by-line. Is there any way to disable that in Word, or to compensate in Google Docs?

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Um, is it cool if I ask what everybody thought of my TD story for this week? :ohdear:

EDIT:excluding the judges, of course.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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newtestleper posted:

It's not kosher to give TD feedback before judgement is in. After that it's fine.
Okay. I'll keep that in mind from now on

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Broenheim posted:

hey im working on a line by line crit for you since you wanted a crit, but I expect you to pay it forward by critting someone else's. It doesn't have to be a line by line, but I will look down upon you if it isn't. If your not ok with having the person with the most DM not thinking highly of you, I suggest you put effort in that crit.

Also, don't crit one of mine because I haven't been writing lately and probably won't for awhile. Do someone who is actually writing and needs some feedback.
Of course. Post in on the 'dome, please? I'll post there if anybody wants a crit. Thanks, Bro :tipshat:

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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So among my many, many flaws, I've noticed that I have a bad habit of over-doing facts and exposition to the point where I look like I obviously don't know what I'm talking about. Any tips on how to mitigate that?

Also I've been told my action is really good. What exactly is it, though? Is it that my action scenes are dynamic or...?

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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I do try my best to frame my action scenes and setpeices in the frame of actions and reactions: a-b-a-b-a-b, repeat until end.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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I really, really wanted to sign up for this week's prompt but this week was really stressful for me and the signup deadline passed me by. Is there anybody here who'd be willing to crit a 500 word noir written by me? In exchange for a crit from me, of course. My story and matching crit would be posted on this thread, of course. Thanks.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Scaramouche posted:

Benny I'm sorry this is quite late, but I'd take a look. I was thinking the same thing as you actually but never ended up writing anything. PM me, we don't have to do it in the thread.
Thanks, I'll PM you when I get around to it, this week's TD is keeping me busy.

Speaking of which, I need help writing a scene where one character uses another's suspicions against them. All I've got going on is a confusing roundabout of "I know you know that you know I know" and it's making my head spin. Any suggestions?

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Hey Maugrim, just wanted to say thanks for the crit. I've noticed people commenting on my sudden shift into 2nd person and how it's disorienting. It's a personal conversational habit I have where I use "you" in the rhetorical sense. I'll say "you wouldn't do x" or "you don't expect x" whenever I'm expressing something that ought to be common knowledge and it's bled into my writing style. Should I abandon this weird tic in my writing, or is there any way I could refine it?

Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Mar 6, 2015

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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crabrock posted:

Oh. Oh well, at least I'll always have the memory of drinking that O'Douls with my dad.
I love you too, Crabrock.

Anywho, I'll avoid the 2nd person tic in my writing, at the very least when I'm writing in the third person omniscient. You're right, Maugrim, it would benifit better from a more informal conversational style and, suprise suprise, I've been reading a lot of hardboiled fiction lately. At the very least now I recongize it so I can catch it for next time. Thanks.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Hey guys. Is there anybody here who's really passionate about geology and/or chemistry who could help me out? Normally I wouldn't ask, but I really, really think what I have has legs and I need to make sure the science checks out so I'd like a creative-minded science goon to help me out. Thanks!

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Why I want to be as factual as possible is because I'm working with a real-world invention and a real-world setting, I need to know what I'm working with within the realm of possiblility. Besides, this invention has become a current and major issue in the world today so I want to make sure that I get the facts right because to do any less would feel like a disservice, personally speaking. Y'all will know what I'm talking about come the first day of spring ;)

Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Mar 16, 2015

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Truth,
Justice,
The Thuderdome Way

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Maugrim made it clear to me that my narrative choice of a newspaper article sucked the drama out a huge explosion. I chose the style because it's an economical one and I thought it would've compensated for the low word count. It did but not in the way I expected :( Any tips on how to adapt the style in the future?

Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Mar 24, 2015

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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angel opportunity posted:

If anyone can pull them off though, it's Benny
It wasn't on a lark, though. The one thing that was drilled into my head when I was on my high school paper was "human-interest stories"--you always write an article about an interesting person and their interesting story. And my intent was to write this tragic article about a man who created something with the best of intentions but because he compromises himself, his creation is ruined for himself and everyone else. It's the same kind of articles I enjoy reading from the LA Times and from other magazines online. From Maugrim's criticism, I focused too much on the human element and not enough on the explosion. On top of how the set up was too much and too boring as well. I really hoped that, as a writer, I would've kicked that habit by now.

Maugrim? Thanks for the criticism, man. I won't attempt the article narrative style again, or at least not without more consideration put into if it's right for the given prompt.

Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 24, 2015

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Hey is there a musically-inclined goon who'd be gracious enough to help me with a project? PM me if you're down and thanks!

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Scrivener sounds awesome, but as someone who's looking into a chromebook, it doesn't look like an option :sigh:

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Hey again, Mercedes. I hope I didn't come off as needlessly harsh in my line-by-line crit of your story "Valley of Death. I get why we need to be needlessly harsh, almost to the point of hostile, on the 'dome--it's to keep the hugbox out. Yet, I do my best to be careful and not drink too much of the kool-aid, lest I turn into The Hulk and wreck poo poo. With that in mind, leme offer some constructive advice.

I'm on a Marvel kick. And yeah, I just saw the new Avengers movie but more to the point, your storytelling reminds me of Whedon's because, just like him, there's a healthy ammount of manipulation between the lines. This was a wrote story, but you thought that you could fool us by trying to mis-direct us by joking how bad it is. It really doesn't work that way unless first, your sense of humor works for the tone of the story. If this story was comedic in tone, the "lol, look at this cliche" jokes would've been appropriate. If the story was consistently dark, then you could've gone the gallows humor route as a "gently caress you, I ain't gonna be a horror-film statistic". You did neither. And then to play the "I've always wanted to say that" cliche straight. Right there is where my suspension of disbelief snapped, because for you to point out a mistake only to do another makes you look like you really don't look like you're doing. I know I'm repeating myself, but this is importaint. Don't try to mis-direct us, don't try to manipulate us, you're not that good of a writer. And I'm saying that not from a place of arrogance, it's just that as someone who's painfuly aware of my lack of ability as a writer, I don't dare attempt to pull that.

If I were to write something like this, I'd go the Singer/X-Men route and play it straight. You had something really dark going on with this whole team of soldiers going into a failed lab, hunting down an experiment gone wrong. I could see the gore and viscera smeared all over the walls, it would've been good to build on that. Maybe have one of the mercenares faint, then have Janice pull him up as he surreptitiously notices her turning pale. A small moment like that helps to establish the low morale within the unit, what kind of leader Janice is, and how even she is letting everything get to her. If you're gonna point out cliches, try the gallows humor style as I pointed out above, just make it to where everybody is on edge because of how the environment is affecting them.

Lastly, play the monster straight. I would've made Antionette something a little more disturbed, something out of Weapon X. Say she gets the psionic abilities from the aresol exposure to the mysterious element, but said element causes her to mentally regress to that of a teenager. The catch would be that her teenage years were so traumatic that she re-lives the trauma and lashes out around her with her new power. Sure, at this point it's "Carrie", but you could do some nasty poo poo. She would keep the soldiers from shooting her and instead they turn their guns and fire on eachother. Worse, one of them fires at random on their own. Set up that sense of paranoia. Who's posessed? Keep her manipulating everyone to where the focus is on everybody but her. Here's another idea, have her say the kind of hateful stuff a teenage girl would say as she forces the soldiers to kill themselves. "Call me a slut, will you?" she'd say as one of them snaps their own neck, for instance. I don't know, your "rich-bitch valley-teen" dialouge out of Antionette was spot-on so you're at least aware of what a teenager should sound like, I'm sure you'd know how to turn it around and figure out what a severely victimized, harassed, and bullied teenaged girl would sound like. I hope this all helps.

Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 03:47 on May 6, 2015

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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crabrock posted:

you've apologized like 3 loving times now. don't worry, he'll still gently caress you. jesus.
I'd rather be overly-apologetic than overly-hostile :colbert:

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Hey guys, I need some perspective--what's the difference between parody and fanfiction? For me, it goes beyond matter of names, it also lies in the intent--if the author intends to legitimately poke fun at the source material and everything else would be minutiae.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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What I'm trying to get at is this--I want to enter this week's prompt on the 'dome with a parody of a source material which I will cite. I'm concerned about going into this prompt with something I've never done before and if it would be considered fanfic or not :shrug:

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Stuporstar posted:

You will know when it's time to break the rules, because you will know the rule and why you're breaking it.

But you will only know if you did so successfully if people read your work and they tell you—or if you make tons of money on it, whatevs.
Thanks, man. gently caress it, I'm going ahead with my story, then.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Or maybe each one of them has some sort of grudge against the main villain and they're unified through a mutual goal of vengance :shrug: An alliance of convenience is a great way to present drama if each individual would normally be against eachother if not against this single person.

Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 22:27 on May 23, 2015

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Cuckoo posted:

I avoided Harry Potter not out of worrying it would be close to my idea but because I honestly couldn't get into it, tried on multiple occasions. No idea why, because I first read it at the perfect age for its audience (12). It sounds like it would be worth a read just to see what is popular within the genre these days, but good god is it boring. Even watched 2 of the movies and felt the same way.

Thanks for the heads up, though. I might thumb through it just to see how the author integrates her different school ideas in. Pern's worldbuilding got almost Silmarillion levels of complicated and that's probably not an accessible base for inspiration.
Jump in at book 4--JK Rowling is really good at bringing new readers up to speed at the beginning of almost every book.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Hobbies, too. Pick up a hobby outside of whatever nerd interest you may have or if it's something you do out of necessity, spin that into your hobby. For instance, cooking has become my hobby for a while now and so has cycling as well. Find something like that and not only will it enrich your life, it will enrich your writing as well.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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crabrock posted:

Evelyn Waugh is one of my favorite old timer authors. Both brideshead revisited and a handful of dust are great, accessible novels that her you some classic cred.
I loved "A Handful of Dust"! It starts off as this really scandalous look into the collapsing lives of the idle rich in post-WWI England but once it all sinks in, you come to realize the nihilistic dread that the book is really about how England has no future, how the future generation is doomed because the current generation is canabalizing it, and it ends with a Twilight Zone twist that's oh so perfect. I first read it in Post-Colonial Lit and I still have my copy, Waugh is an excellent Depression-era author to pick up.

Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 18:13 on May 30, 2015

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Screaming Idiot posted:

Most fantasy is just Tolkien with extra misogyny. And if I find out someone likes A Song of Ice and Fire, I lose respect for them as a person.
And "Game of Thrones" by extenstion?

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Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Hi-five, AO

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