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Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.
Thanks for making this thread! It has been sorely lacking from here for awhile. When I was beginning I needed a place to ask about the test but couldn't find a good venue. Now we have one! :)

I am a RiderCoach Candidate for the PA MSP program. I just finished the interview process (including a BRC2 which I killed) and am awaiting training in September. I can't tell you how excited I am to make $19/hr to teach people to ride, especially since I'm becoming disillusioned with my IT career. I'm ultimately hoping that I can move up within the MSF to a full-time job.

So yeah, feel free to ask me about becoming a RiderCoach!

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Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.

metallicaeg posted:

Man, how do you get a position like that? I'm stuck in a disillusioning job, also in PA, haha

A regional manager emailed previous students indicating a need for RiderCoaches in the Philadelphia area. I filled out an online app and it was gravy from there, although the interview was in a group setting and focused on a discussion of general teaching skills rather than specifics of motorcycle safety.

Also, there were roughly 150 online applicants, and about 40 made it to the group interview sessions. From that, 13 made it to the BRC2 expo. I'm assuming that about three candidates will drop out, fail to complete the application, or fail training. So that is a big funnel but I think anybody with a good head and a pittance of riding skills can make it :)

There is a link on the PAMSP website for the application. I'd apply now and keep applying every season!

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.

Guinness posted:

This looks like a good thread to ask this question in, since it appears there's a few resident MSF instructors in CA!

I took the BRC several months ago, passed it easily, and have put 2000+ miles on a Ninja 650 riding pretty much every day since then. I've been absolutely loving riding, everything from dense urban riding to mountain twisties. I've been riding road bikes and driving manual transmissions for years and years and spent some time riding small step-throughs in crazy SE Asia traffic on dirt roads, so I feel pretty darn comfortable and competent on a bike.

So what's the deal with the Advanced/Experienced Rider Course?

I did a little bit of searching around trying to figure out what the curriculum is, and the impression I got is that it's just the exercises of day 2 of the BRC all over again. Is that true, or is there more to it that I'm missing?

I had a good time taking the BRC, but the pace was godawful slow in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and it was incredibly frustrating having to wait for the others who were repeatedly stalling, dropping bikes, and afraid to take a turn faster than 5mph. I would hope that the riders who take the advanced course are a bit better, but is the pace of the course significantly faster? Is the curriculum actually "advanced"?

Fake edit, the single day California Superbike School classes are reasonably priced. With all due respect you are not the intended demographic if you can ace every aspect of the class.

I know I'm not an expert motorcyclist, but I do feel like I have picked it up much faster than most beginners. I definitely would like some advanced instruction, but if I'm going to throw down $125 and spend a whole weekend day on it, I want to know that I will really be getting something from my time and money, otherwise I'd rather go enjoy some beautiful mountain roads with that time. I want rigorous and demanding drills and instruction, not an easy day of riding figure 8s around cones and taking gentle 135 degree turns at 20mph. It almost feels like what I really want is to do some track day instruction, but the cost of entry is much higher for that. Can anyone share some additional insight?
Maybe you should have taken the BRC2? The BRC is designed for beginners, those who have never ridden before and likely haven't used a manual transmission. It's really unfair to get angry at the newbies stalling out and taking turns slow. As a matter of fact when I took the BRC as a brand-new rider, I was absolutely livid at the experienced riders who provided us newbies unhelpful advice, sarcastic remarks, and didn't give us enough space on the range.

Fixed Gear Guy fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jul 30, 2012

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.

Guinness posted:

I didn't get mad or make any snide remarks in the course. I made friends with the other riders and even the instructors while I was there. But I was still frustrated (to myself) by the painfully slow pace while waiting my turn in the hot sun. I still had fun and learned a lot, i just wish the pace was like 3x faster.

I took the beginner course because I fit the description of "beginner". Never ridden a real motorcycle before the first day of the BRC, just lots of bicycles and a few hundred kilometers on janky centrifugal clutch (i.e., no hand operated clutch) scooters in Asia. The people I took the BRC through don't have different levels of BRC, I didn't know BRC2 was even a thing.
Don't get me wrong buddy. Sitting outside all day blows, specially if it's 100 degrees with no cloud coverage on an overheating air cooled Ducati as my BRC2 was. I think I understand that you mean you wish the exercises moved more smoothly, and they tend to do so in the BRC2.

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.

Jabs posted:

I'm pretty sure that the comment was made by the lead instructor at the end of her second go-round. I know she said she had a lot of trouble with finding the friction zone on the 125¹. She also said that when she lost the bike, it was to the outside of the turn when turning around.

It's good to know that I'm on the right path. I've been mulling getting a pair of $130 "throwaway" pedal bikes from Walmart to tool around the neighborhood on for a couple months.

Please please please oh lord please do not buy a bike from Walmart. By doing so you are just continuing the cycle of waste by buying a bike made out of poo poo components that will break in a month, whereafter you'll let it rot in the garage until your girlfriend makes you throw it out. There are SO many 70s bike boom cycles that you can get from garage sales or Craigslist for next to nothing, slap new tires and a chain on, and ride without killing mother earth. Or if you need brand new bikes, spend the money on real machines from real bicycle shops who sell products that won't rust and fall apart in a month and who will provide support. In the worst case your girlfriend and you now have a healthy hobby to bond over.

Fake edit, have you considered hiring an instructor with a small bike for private lessons? Your girl may may just be the type that needs to be alone in a parking lot to slowly get the feel for the bike. And I hate to support them but maybe you could call a HD dealership and see if they can arrange a special Riders Edge session? Dunno what the smallest bike they'd have is, though.

Fixed Gear Guy fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Aug 2, 2012

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.

Snowdens Secret posted:

go all greeny froo-froo like Fixie Guy

It's "frou frou." i know that because frou frou is my favorite electronic collaboration :smug:

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.

Safety Dance posted:

Now I know what I'm going to listen to today at work! Thanks!
Frou Frou loving rocks. I hope they make another album, but I can deal with just listening to Imogen Heap instead.

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.

Skreemer posted:

Anyone else on here instruct and noticed the drop off? Every year when August rolls around it's the same thing, we hardly get any students. But drat do they clamor for classes April, May and June. March is pretty much a crap shoot weather wise this far north.
Seems pretty logical to me. The boneheads who have always wanted to be on a Harley finally got a little raise in the new year and can afford their death machine, hence lots of students in the spring. Honesty I'm not sure who's crazier: students taking the class in mid July or those taking the final November classes.

Although I must say that those taking the class in the Fall seem to be more dedicated beginners and not fairweather wannabees. Maybe if you are a bad enough dude you will even have your BRC level 1 range in the snow like I did :smug:

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.
Being able to pop a U turn in about 14 feet is pretty important in my opinion. It's my favorite thing to practice. Try doing one from a complete stop with counterweighting and all -- tons of fun!!

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.

JollyRancher posted:

But...if you're at a stop light and need to escape is rolling into the intersection of cross traffic a better idea? I wasn't there to argue, so they say shift to 1st I try to shift to 1st. :)

Well the second part is you should find an escape route. Usually you will have room to pull up into a crosswalk or split lanes and ride between traffic if you think someone behind you won't stop in time.

Keep in mind that the percentage of accidents occurring from behind is something like 3% so it sucks when it happens, and you can get royally hosed up, but you should really worry much more about your own skills and the things that cause single-person motorcycle accidents (target fixation, going too fast, poor cornering skills, etc) and left-turners.

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.
Yes this is so totally a thing. On normal radius turns it doesn't matter but doing tight u-turns and figure of eights I am better turning left than right, and I'm left-handed. I had problems with my throttle hand binding when twisted but I have mostly fixed this now.

Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.
The U-turn box is probably the best way to judge one's ability to balance, clutch, throttle, and "look where you want to go" at low speed. That said it takes a LOT of extracurricular parking lot practice to do full lock turns. No newbie does it flawlessly on the BRC and the RiderCoaches know it.

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Fixed Gear Guy
Oct 21, 2010

In a ketchup factory. A sexy ketchup factory.
Haha the gymkhana dudes are insane. So much speed and precision.

I always recommend that MSF grads buy cones and practice the drills for a couple days before beginning side streets. It's a good environment to learn your bike.

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