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This looks like a good thread to ask this question in, since it appears there's a few resident MSF instructors in CA! I took the BRC several months ago, passed it easily, and have put 2000+ miles on a Ninja 650 riding pretty much every day since then. I've been absolutely loving riding, everything from dense urban riding to mountain twisties. I've been riding road bikes and driving manual transmissions for years and years and spent some time riding small step-throughs in crazy SE Asia traffic on dirt roads, so I feel pretty darn comfortable and competent on a bike. So what's the deal with the Advanced/Experienced Rider Course? I did a little bit of searching around trying to figure out what the curriculum is, and the impression I got is that it's just the exercises of day 2 of the BRC all over again. Is that true, or is there more to it that I'm missing? I had a good time taking the BRC, but the pace was godawful slow in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and it was incredibly frustrating having to wait for the others who were repeatedly stalling, dropping bikes, and afraid to take a turn faster than 5mph. I would hope that the riders who take the advanced course are a bit better, but is the pace of the course significantly faster? Is the curriculum actually "advanced"? I know I'm not an expert motorcyclist, but I do feel like I have picked it up much faster than most beginners. I definitely would like some advanced instruction, but if I'm going to throw down $125 and spend a whole weekend day on it, I want to know that I will really be getting something from my time and money, otherwise I'd rather go enjoy some beautiful mountain roads with that time. I want rigorous and demanding drills and instruction, not an easy day of riding figure 8s around cones and taking gentle 135 degree turns at 20mph. It almost feels like what I really want is to do some track day instruction, but the cost of entry is much higher for that. Can anyone share some additional insight? Guinness fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jul 30, 2012 |
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I didn't get mad or make any snide remarks in the course. I made friends with the other riders and even the instructors while I was there. But I was still frustrated (to myself) by the painfully slow pace while waiting my turn in the hot sun. I still had fun and learned a lot, i just wish the pace was like 3x faster. I took the beginner course because I fit the description of "beginner". Never ridden a real motorcycle before the first day of the BRC, just lots of bicycles and a few hundred kilometers on janky centrifugal clutch (i.e., no hand operated clutch) scooters in Asia. The people I took the BRC through don't have different levels of BRC, I didn't know BRC2 was even a thing. Guinness fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 30, 2012 |
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taketheshot posted:If you're looking for something a bit more advanced than BRC but not a racing school like CSS you may want to look into something like this: http://www.totalcontroltraining.net/index.html This does look more along the lines of something I'd be interested in, as I'm not quite ready to dive into track days just yet. Their own self-description actually matches what I'm looking for pretty drat well: quote:Many riders are interested in improving their skills but are unwilling to take on the additional risks associated with a high-speed environment. If you fit into the "I'm interested, but" group, you're not alone... Fortunately, Lee Parks' Total Control Advanced Riding Clinic (Total Control ARC) has a solution for those experienced riders "caught in the middle," ... who want to be able to further enhance their skills in a controlled environment with expert instruction. Sounds very much up my alley.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I'm aware that the mechanical principles are the same on a bicycle, but I don't remember ever pedaling a bike and being able to notice the effect of countersteering that you feel in motorcycles. Not to mention the big effect that throttle and brake have on the steering of the bike. You won't get that feeling if you're just noodling around in a parking lot on a bicycle. Just like on a motorcycle, those effects don't really come into play until you're above 12-15mph, and they aren't as pronounced on a bicycle until even higher speeds. You definitely get a very similar feeling with regards to countersteering and braking affecting handling once you're doing above 20-25mph on a bicycle. Riding a good road bike on some winding downhill roads at 35mph is way more scary/thrilling than riding the same roads on a motorcycle at 55mph. And it's a loving blast on a motorcycle, so extrapolate from there.
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