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I took a stab at swapping around some Holley parts today, by myself for once. I know most of the tricks to pulling it apart and putting it back together that I don't need someone making sure I don't gently caress it up. The horrors inside the 2nd hand Holley 350:  Oh, that actually isn't too ba-  I don't know how that much dust is getting through the new fuel filter but it's not good. I had 62 jets in there and a 7.5 power valve. I've been noticing that the power valve seems to kick in too early and it was just all round running too rich so I grabbed 59 jets and a 5.5 power valve. The power valve was a poor decision, I had the wrong vacuum number in my head (I really need to check this poo poo before I spend money) and that power valve kicks in way too late. It'll be nice and then it hits a point where it leans out then I push it a bit more and get a burst of power. I swapped them 15 minutes before Autobarn closed so I couldn't go and grab a 6.5 PV. I'll grab that tomorrow and see how it goes.
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Ansith posted:I took a stab at swapping around some Holley parts today, by myself for once. I know most of the tricks to pulling it apart and putting it back together that I don't need someone making sure I don't gently caress it up. Just don't overcompensate with the power valve. On the VW mine was opening too early and I couldn't figure out why the hell it was running so rich at idle. What happened was a bead of charcoal from the canister got lodged in the canister valve and essentially caused a permanent vacuum leak via the canister causing enough of a drop that the power valve was kicking in while idling. Fixing that issue it was still borderline. The one that was in it had those weird power valve shims on it. I replaced it with one from a Holley rebuild kit from the U.S. (Whole kit was like 1/2 what I paid for a needle valve from Repco which was wrong anyway) and it was happy. Different carb to my Holley 2bbl Economaster, or is it Economizer, but the basic principles are the same.
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General_Failure posted:Just don't overcompensate with the power valve. On the VW mine was opening too early and I couldn't figure out why the hell it was running so rich at idle. What happened was a bead of charcoal from the canister got lodged in the canister valve and essentially caused a permanent vacuum leak via the canister causing enough of a drop that the power valve was kicking in while idling. Fixing that issue it was still borderline. The one that was in it had those weird power valve shims on it. I replaced it with one from a Holley rebuild kit from the U.S. (Whole kit was like 1/2 what I paid for a needle valve from Repco which was wrong anyway) and it was happy. It must just be the low compression messing with everything. It has a steady vacuum reading on idle, and does fine when I'm driving it up until a certain point. From testing it today it feels like it's the same point that it was hesitating with the stromberg in there. I don't think there's any use in me trying to fix it right now because either it runs rich and I can drive it or it doesn't run rich and it starts the same old poo poo again until the PV kicks in. I swapped in the 6.5 PV, it kicks in a tiny bit too late. The 7.5 feels like it's spot on but it still runs rich when I take it to higher revs. I'm told that buying the 6.5 wasn't a waste because it should be perfect for the rebuilt engine. If anything, I understand a little bit more about how much of a difference the power valve can make.
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I went back in for some more, 60 jets, 7.5 power valve. It feels pretty decent. Adjusted the idle mixture again and it stopped blowing black smoke on idle. Grabbed a video of how it's looking now, as you can see it looks nice and healthy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aABb75eTR4 I think I just have to hurry up and get the new block ready to go, I shouldn't even bother spending a cent on trying to making this engine less painful to drive. On that topic, the head was delivered and I was told what had been done to it. Shaved 10 thou, new valves, springs, locks, retainers, valve guides, hardened exhaust seats, and a tiny crack on the rear water jacket had to be repaired which was where the head gasket broke. I'm told it'd be the perfect head to put on a taxi. I'll grab a better picture of it a bit later when I move it.
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If it makes you feel better. My Holley on the VW 1800 motor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak4bCzydp0Q My Holley again on the Subaru 1800 motor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD7UFG2bE0M It's set up like a dream now but tiny things can throw it so far out of whack it's not funny as you can see. Speaking of which have I asked what your fuel pressure is? Holleys / Webers only like maybe 2.5 - 3.5PSI. Any more than that and weird things happen as the needle gets overwhelmed and can make strange, not always totally clear things happen. I'm running a Holley regulator which is good, but apparently Edelbrock use a better design which avoids the annoting ball jamming issue on the Holley regulator which I usually fixed with a tap with a screwdriver handle when the engine suddenly started blowing smoke.
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If mine was doing that from the start I probably would have abandoned it and rebuilt the stromberg again. Nice work getting that fixed, if I had the patience I'd get this 350 rebuilt properly but I don't think it's worth it. I wish I'd written down what was removed from it while it was fit to the XD, somehow the car was running with it on there. I'm actually pretty surprised that it had the perfect power valve for my car to eliminate the hesitation, if it'd had the 6.5 in there and continued doing it I might have even just given up on the car altogether. Fuel pressure is something I don't think I've checked. I'll see if a friend has a gauge to check it on the weekend when I stop by to talk engine rebuilding. It's possible it might be off, it does have a repro fuel sender (which is still way out of adjustment, I'll throw the old one back in with a new float soon) and a replacement fuel pump so I don't think factory numbers will give me any good info here. I finally got around to speaking to the engine workshop today, the guy can start as soon as possible and it'll only take a week. I was glad to hear that because I was expecting a month, now I just need to get my poo poo together and order parts. Also I let a friend drive it down a few back streets, lots of hills and everything. He was pretty scared, mainly because of the steering. Anyway, as soon as I start driving home it started back firing pretty badly, I don't know what the gently caress he did but it felt horrible for half an hour and then just went back to normal like nothing was happening earlier. This car makes no sense to me sometimes.
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Got a couple of days off work on sick leave so while I was waiting for a doctors appointment I went to an exhaust place down the road from me that a friend recommended just to check if they were open on Saturdays so I could get a resonator put in. I decided against going back to the place I had the original system put in at, I didn't really like that they were plugging poo poo in that had nothing to do with the exhaust plus there was no communication. The new place was much better, they spoke to me about it for a while and even gave me a choice on the parts. The owner of the place even came out and started talking to me about X-series cars, he remembered the first time they had an XC with a crossflow come in, they tried to do the same setup they did with XBs (dual pipes, made the pre-crossflows sound like a V8) but it sounded like complete poo poo. I'm glad I went with the single system. After that they fit me in straight away, 30 minutes after I walked in it was done. Glad I got it done, it's not deafening on the highway any more. Tomorrow I'll be stripping the spare block to get it ready for the engine builder. I still have to get off my rear end and order a bunch of parts for it, knowing where to order them from is the hardest part, a lot of places sell parts that are 1mm smaller than the originals and they can gently caress everything up.
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Stripped down the spare engine today, it went much better than expected. Started with this, took this from earlier in the thread but it sat in the same spot for ages.  First job was pulling the thing out of the corner, even with the head off it's near impossible with the transmission on there. We moved it about half a meter and then just got to work. To assist in putting the engine on it's side once we had everything off I pulled the spare out of the XC, we're pretty sure it's the original spare.  For something that had been sitting around for probably a decade everything came off really easily. I think the most trouble we had was getting the transmission off but that was only because we didn't want to get trans fluid all over the ground. The torque converter didn't have much in it so that solved that issue.  Drained the oil, it was a solid black as expected. The sump came off much easier than I was expecting as well, there was a fair bit of sludge on the bottom and over the oil pickup (touching the oil sludge when I was pulling it off wasn't fun). The best part was finding out that the block hasn't been rebuilt and that everything looked great on the inside. The bearings were close to perfect, cam was worn but not bad. It looked like up until it was pulled out of a car it had been taken care of. (not like you can really see much in this picture)  Glad I didn't buy a lemon. Just need to order some parts and then it's off to the engine builder.
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A package! I see why they charged me $25 for this - it's super.  The cam! Hopefully this thing will be seeing use in under a month.  Now that I've got these parts, I can go ahead and take the block to the engine builder to be machined.
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I'm sure I'll be more than happy with it, I really haven't had any chances to drive anything with any power to speak of. The XC is the only car I've driven that has had more than four cylinders. A couple of days ago I actually made the decision to stop driving the XC because it's costing me $60 every 3 days to drive to work. I've still got the Camry that my friend has paid me for sitting in my driveway, all I needed to do was throw a new battery in there and it was good to go. I can see the appeal in having a weekender now, after driving a Camry for a couple of days all I want to do is take the XC for a drive. Once the new engine is in I'll be driving the poo poo out of it, so this is only temporary to save me a bit of cash. Oh and I bought something I've wanted to get for a while now, a factory manual for the XC. It's the size of a phone book.  It's definitely seen some use but doesn't look like it's ripped anywhere or missing any pages, it wasn't cheap though.
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Not a lot has been happening. I forgot to order a couple of parts so everything stopped which killed my deadline, I was going to take it along to All Ford day with a few friends cars which also have just had new engines put in. It's a month away still but I don't know how long the machine work will take and having a deadline was only causing me stress when I got screwed over a couple of times by people who told me they could get me x part by the next day and didn't follow through. The radiator has finally given up. It still works at the moment but as soon as I sit in traffic for more than a minute, the temperature just shoots up to max. I'm still not sure if I'm going to go with the bigger V8 radiator or get my current one reco'd. Finally got another wheel alignment done. Holy poo poo. It is so much nicer to drive now, I can't believe that I just ignored it up until now. It can hold a straight line and I don't lose control if I hit a bump. There's still a lot of freeplay in the steering box, so I'll have to take it into a steering place some time. If I wasn't having overheating issues I'd be driving the thing everywhere. I grabbed some pictures of the rocker cover to show how bad everything is getting. Up until recently there weren't any signs of blow-by.   My freshly painted rocker cover looks horrible now. 
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I think I'll go with that then. All I have to do is cut a larger hole in the radiator support and cut the old trans cooler lines and fit some flexible ones on the end so it can reach the new position (current one is on the bottom of the radiator, crossflow radiator has a side mounted one). A guy that started recently at my work has an MR2 and he parked next to me today. The picture doesn't make the XC look much bigger but standing a bit closer the MR2 looks tiny.  I have no idea why he has Tasmanian plates.
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Did some small things today. Found an excellent repair by the previous owner, followed up by an excellent repair by me with super glue. I'll need to pull whatever holds that in there off a wrecked car.  Got to work on the 12 slotters too, I went the cheap option and picked out a random silver at Autobarn. I really should have bought a Commodore because it's Chevy silver, first the rocker cover and then this, next thing will be the badges. Pretty happy with it considering all I did was wash it, got prepsol on it and sprayed. I was told I should use a can on each one, I used maybe 1/3.  Brings me to a question I have, I've never had to buy tires and honestly have no idea how the ones on there compare to anything else (Goodyear Arriva 215/60 R15s, I don't doubt they're the cheapest ones the guy could get). I was wondering if I could have some suggestions thrown at me because I know the car will probably go ahead and kill me if I throw something on there that doesn't perform. The 12 slotters are 14x7s and 14x8s, I think the most common with those sizes is 225/70 on the front and 245/70 on the back. I've had a look around a tires with raised white lettering but the only ones I really know of are BF Goodrichs which are about $250 a corner. I've heard some bad things about them too but most of it was just "I was trying to do some high speed cornering in the rain and then goodbye car". Most of the others brands I know of are out of business. The lettering isn't necessary, but I am a fan of it with 12 slotters.
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Took my first step into fixing electrical problems with the car. Apart from soldering wires together properly I have no idea about anything. The fan in the heater box was broken, I've probably mentioned it before. Turned out to be a blown fuse, luckily for me XCs had glass tube fuses and it cost me a few bucks for 2 assorted packs. Now I have a working fan again, just in time for 40 degree days  After I was done with that I found the timing gear set waiting for me at the door. Going to call the engine builder tomorrow and work out a time to take it in next week.
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The block is finally gone but my problems haven't ended. A friend needed to borrow the Camry while his car was getting repaired, I figured sure the XC should be able to handle some daily driving. After two days the overheating is starting to get really bad, as in one minute of idling gets the car to burning my feet temperatures. Great timing. Quick check of the engine bay and oil is streaming down the side of the block from the head gasket and the oil pressure sensor has popped. To top it off I get a call from my friend saying he needs the car until the first week of October, luckily for me I know someone else with a spare car lying around. So now the XC gets to stay in the garage and I get to drive a WB Festiva for a few weeks. I really wish I wasn't so attached to the car because I'd really just love to sell it right now and make it someone else's problem.
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You're quite a friend. I'd be yanking my car back with poo poo like that happening.
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Regarding your choice on tyres, I run Sumitomo HTR2000s on the XD for the period look with a more modern compound. That link shows the available sizes in 14".
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Being a good friend came back and bit me in the rear end, the transmission in the Camry poo poo itself. It's waiting for me down at a Caltex next to where it died, I get to go and have a look tomorrow morning. I have a feeling it won't be worth the cost to fix it, so I'll just end up owing my friend the money back (he paid me for it a few months back now, has been here for so long I paid rego on it again, I figured no harm in using it if I'm paying for it) which at the moment happens to be the money I was using to rebuild the 250. Yes, I'm fully aware of how loving stupid I am for getting into a situation like this.
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Just go to a Toyota specialist wrecker and grab a Camry auto from there. Even if it lasts 12 months, gonna be cheaper than a rebuild from an auto trans specialist
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I was considering that, but things were much worse when I actually got to look at the car. 3 cylinders had no compression at all, the trans fluid was a solid dark brown (thought I'd pulled the oil dipstick at first), and there were pools of coolant everywhere. I didn't investigate much further than that because it really wasn't worth me hanging onto that $1800 and spending most of it getting it fixed, I made a call to the wreckers to get them to pick it up for me and for them to give me some cash. I walked away with a cheque for $150 and the plates to cancel the rego and get some $$$ back from that.
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... 150+700-1800=-950, assuming you get $700 back on the rego. So if it cost $949 for a new gearbox and motor (it wouldn't), you would have finished up ahead.
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How the gently caress did a Camry get that screwed? Was it running sand instead of oil?
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I'd say you were close on that estimate for the engine and gearbox, the wreckers around here aren't cheap. They also all seem to work off the not guaranteed to work policy. Even if I had swapped a new engine in, it still needed a lot of other parts for a RWC. It just really wasn't worth it for a Camry, especially if I had to do all the work myself. I might have come out of it with a couple of hundred left over? Really not worth me attempting an engine swap and possibly loving it up. edit: You Am I posted:How the gently caress did a Camry get that screwed? Was it running sand instead of oil? I really have no clue, but I won't be letting friends borrow my cars in the future. I'm willing to bet someone was ignoring the temperature gauge for a few days. Never do good things for your friends, all it does it lose you money. Ansith fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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A few weeks, at least, is more like it. Camrys didn't earn a reputation as boring appliances for nothing - they're boring, partly because they don't break easily. Keep oil and coolant in them and they run for decades. IIRC it was a mid 90s, right? They're not worth a whole lot over here ($2k will get you a nice 94-95 with working a/c where I'm at), and you're still looking at a minimum of $500 for an engine/trans at a you pull it style yard, probably $1000+ from a normal wrecker, plus the fluids, random parts (mounts, seals, etc), and your time. I probably would have junked it too unless the car was otherwise immaculate. The last time I let a friend use a car for more than a day, I got it back with a roasted clutch, blown head gasket, and cracked head. I have no idea how the gently caress they managed to overheat it that badly, it had a new radiator and hoses in it, water pump was 6 months old (OEM Honda). When I refilled the cooling system and started it, it started spraying coolant out from between the head and block in two places within a couple of minutes.  The oil dipstick showed new and amazing milkshakes too.  Glad I didn't pay much for that car..(e: 1988 Honda Accord DX, 2.0L 2 bbl carb, got it in 1999 from a mechanic at a Honda dealer) randomidiot fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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He had it for almost two weeks at this point, so it's possible that it has been going on for a while. You're right though, apart from fluids I didn't have to do anything to that car and it was running fine. Had the timing belt done half a year before I bought it, along with the other usual poo poo and I've owned it for about a year now? It's not like this car was abused and badly maintained, sure it sat around for a couple of months while I was driving the XC but I got it moving at least every week. The only problem I can think of was the transmission and it wasn't serious (also why I assumed the transmission gave up when I got called!). It was a '95, cost me $2100 when I bought it which was a fair deal considering the seller had the pile of receipts of the servicing over the previous year and it had decent options (six stack in the boot and everything). Car definitely needed to be wrecked, it was close to perfect before I gave it to my friend. In that two weeks, the front bumper got slammed into a tow bar which put a slid hole through it (that's the bumper I replaced 6 months back because of the lawnmower in my garage pulling it out and breaking the clips, I'm not perfect but at least I'm not damaging other people's poo poo right?), and got rear ended which put a shallow 30cm wide dent around the number plate. I found all of this when I came to look at it today. I really got screwed and this guy dodged a major bullet, I should have just made him pay me for it based on the fact the he'd already destroyed the once perfect body (which I would have made him pay for on the spot if I had actually got it back in working condition). How does this much poo poo happen in two weeks? I need to reevaluate who I'm friends with.
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A real friend would have offered to pay without you asking. So, yeah, time to re-evaluate. He obviously has no respect for you or your property.
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I think I'm a bad luck magnet, very few things ever work out for me. As you know, I sent the block into a machine shop to get done, I was told 2-3 weeks (after being told 1 week over the phone). I called him at the start of the 4th week and got told he hadn't started on it but was promised that it would be done at the end of the 5th week it would have been in the shop for - he was going on a trip to the US the week after that. I called this Monday (a week after the previous phone call) under advice from a friend to make sure it was getting done. Still hadn't started. Spoke to him for a while and he eventually agreed to get on it and would let me know on Thursday when it would be done. Great! Progress, finally. I get called today and got told the crank is hosed and he can't use it. He called a few people but couldn't find another, that leaves it to me to find one within two days or it doesn't get done until he gets back. This is a pretty impossible task with work, so my only option is to pull the engine out of the XC and grab that crank. That still means it gets started in 2 weeks time. With the way things are going for me I have a feeling the transmission will blow up on me a few days after I put the new engine in.
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I've been thinking about where I'm at with this car and what it's future is going to be recently, considering my current situation. I've done exactly what I was told not to do, even though I said I wouldn't do it - whoever it was that called it earlier on in the thread, you were right. I'm worried that I'm spending too much time and money on it, in the end, as a lot of people do like to remind me, it's just a four door 6 cylinder XC and not in great shape either. Don't get me wrong, I like the car but will I like it a few years down the track when it's something I feel like I can't sell because of everything I've put into it. I like to think that I'd keep putting things into the car to make it a little bit more modern and hold up better for the daily drive (Power steer, A/C, you get the idea), but then I just think I could probably buy something cheap from the 90s with all of this in there already for the same price, so why bother? Even things I've already done still aren't right, I still can't keep the car in a straight line after replacing the whole front end. Maybe I'm just thinking like this because of how badly things have been going recently, it doesn't seem to end and I feel like it's my fault because of the way I approached most of the problem I had in the past. Anyway, I made some progress. A friend gave me a hand with pulling bits off the engine today and I'll be pulling it out next weekend. Have some pictures: Radiator out for the first time, ever. A bigger hole needs to be made for the new V8 radiator. Will do this on the day I pull the engine out.  More bits off   Found this in the water jacket of the intake manifold, was completely blocked. The intake also has soot all through it, most likely the intake valves not sealing.  Pile of bits, my friend is organised and brought a bunch of bags to label and put the bolts into. I most likely wouldn't have done this otherwise because I'm the worst.   As it sits now 
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Hey mate, I've got a brand new water pump and mechanical fuel pump, never used, for a X-Flow; they're all yours if your willing to pay the shipping!
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That would be great! Both my water pump and fuel pump are clogged with crap even though they were pretty recent replacements, most of the parts I attached to that engine aren't worth using any more. Do you have PMs?
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Pulled the engine out today and cut the bigger hole in the radiator support. You can see the beast that I'm currently driving in the background.    I can't say doing this in the heat was fun, I'll be expecting a fair bit of sunburn popping up tomorrow.
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Ansith posted:That would be great! Both my water pump and fuel pump are clogged with crap even though they were pretty recent replacements, most of the parts I attached to that engine aren't worth using any more. Do you have PMs? Nah mate, you can text me on 0488150780.
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Pulled the engine apart, nothing worthy of pictures. I spent $50 just getting the harmonic balancer off, I have a feeling I won't be using that tool very often. Being able to pull everything out properly this time was interesting (Didn't manage to get the pistons out though, there was a major lip of solid burnt oil that they couldn't push past). It definitely looks like the head swap caused more problems than it fixed, the cylinders were caked with crap. The timing chain almost had enough slack in it to jump off, I think I should be glad I stopped driving it. The crank was the important part, from just a quick look I might be lucky and it'll be fine. No scouring on the journals at all, some of the bearing shells had a bit of a copper tint to them but the crank itself looked good. Looks like I won't have to go pulling cranks out of blocks at the wreckers. There's one decision I have to make now though, some people are suggesting that I take the matching numbers block in to be machined and just eat the cost of him pulling the other one apart (a friend of mine even offered to give me the cash for it). I would definitely like to have the original engine in the car but I'm not sure if it's worth it or not.
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Surely you could just roll up to any Ford wrecker and pick up a 250 for milk money?
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Doubt it, when they're asking $110 for an intake manifold I don't think they'd give away a full 250 for cheap. I got lucky with the one I bought, the guy didn't want much for it. Even on ebay people try and sell a "not sure if it works" for $300.
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While the engine is out I'm going to be cleaning up the engine bay, which isn't looking great at the moment mostly because of a battery explosion before I bought it. None of the acid was cleaned up so it's almost everywhere over the right side of the bay. You can see it pretty well on some of the old engine bay pictures, I forgot to grab a shot of it before I started on the shock tower. It was missing most of the paint and had a bit of rust underneath, a quick bit of sanding and some work with a wire brush was all it needed. Can't say I did the best job, better than nothing though. I live life dangerously so I didn't mask the area around it.  The morning after, now the rest of the engine bay looks like poo poo instead of the other way around.  I'll be cleaning up the rest of it, I doubt I'll paint the whole thing but anything that needs it will get some paint. Found the passengers side door had a bubble under the paint recently. For some stupid reason I messed with it,I really shouldn't have because I don't have anything to fix this poo poo up with (apart from bondo, there's plenty of that to go around!).  Oh it's already been repaired with bondo before? Great. Might have to beg my friend to let me use his mig welder again, I think that might involve getting more gas for it because he ran out when we fixed up the rust around the windscreen. I did have some luck with the crank I pulled from the block that was in the car, engine builder says it's perfect. The current estimate is under two weeks, I've got my fingers crossed that poo poo actually gets done this time.
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Got the price for the work on the block, $2750. Someone please shoot me. edit: to clarify, something is definitely wrong, I'm going to try and sort it out.
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