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Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
I like your use of the 1991 Astros, Koop, a lot of good young names there, and maybe we can incorporate them into the final product. That said, I hate your pitching.

My offering, with help from CVE:

St. Paul Bearers

1919 "Black" Sox (4)
1967 Red Sox (3)
2012 Nattinals (3)

C 19 Ray Schalk/ 12 Wilson Ramos
(not a strength, but Schalk is a Hall guy with great defense)
1B 67 Carl Yazstremski/ 67 George Scott
(Yaz! and Scott can also play 3B)
2B 19 Eddie Collins/ 67 Mike Andrews
(Collins is amazing, Andrews has utility)
SS 67 Rico Petrocelli/ 12 Ian Desmond
(Solid, not spectacular)
3B 12 Ryan Zimmerman
(good quality dude)
LF 19 Shoeless Joe Jackson
(great average, really sets the table)
CF 67 Reggie Smith/ 19 Happy Felsch
(Reggie is young but great, Felsch got banned from baseball but had a strong career)
RF 12 Bryce Harper/ 67 Tony Conigliaro
(wunderkind, hope he rolls well; Tony is just a 5th OF)

SP 12 Stevie Strasburg
SP 19 Eddie Cicotte
SP 19 Red Faber
SP 12 Jordan Zimmerman/ 12 Gio Gonzalez (whoever rolls better - other is long reliever)
SP 67 Lee Stange


CL 12 Tyler Clippard
SU 12 Sean Burnett
SR 67 Sparky Lyle (lefty killer)
SR 67 Dan Osinski
MR 12 Edwin Jackson (born in Germany, CVE!)

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Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
OK, compromise proposal for the St. Paul Bearers.

Let's try to make youth a happy surprise rather than something we rely on.

2009 Cardinals (4)
1967 Red Sox (3)
1934 White Sox (1)
1943 Cubs (1)
1991 Astros (1)

C 09 Yadi Molina
C 91 Craig Biggio
(Solid defense and OK hitting, or maybe Biggio is an ace in the hole)
1B 09 Albert Pujols
1B 43 Cavvy Cavaretta
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
(Pujols is amazing, Cavvy is a solid backup, and 23 yo Bagwell is a lottery ticket 3 years from an MVP)
2B 43 Eddie Stanky
2B 67 Mike Andrews
(rookie Stanky isn't Eddie Collins, but he's got great patience - Andrews an OK backup)
SS 34 Luke Appling
SS 67 Rico Petrocelli
(Appling's in the Hall for good reason, Rico's a very good backup)
3B 43 Stan Hack
3B 09 David Freese
(Solid)
LF 67 Yaz
LF 09 Matt Holliday
(Need to find a way to play both at once)
CF 67 Reggie Smith
CF 91 Kenny Lofton
(Reggie's still young, but still great, Lofton's really young but acceptable as 4th OF)
RF 34 Al Simmons
RF 43 Bill Nicholson
(Al's in the Hall of Fame, Nicholson was an MVP candidate in the early 40s)


One thing we could do to maximize offense without going DH is Pujols at 3B, Yaz at 1B, and Holliday in left.

SP 34 Ted Lyons
SP 09 Chris Carpenter
SP 09 Adam Wainwright
SP 43 Claude Passeau
SP 43 Paul Derringer
SP 67 Lee Stange
SP 91 Curt Schilling (if he rolls well)

Bullpen:
09 Ryan Franklin
09 Trever Miller
09 Jason Motte
67 Sparky Lyle
67 Dan Osinski
43 Lon Warneke

Not 25, but there's some decisions to be made. Lineup is very good and has excellent keystones, rotation is a mixture, but mostly guys who had long careers and can be relied upon to not be Stephen Strasburg (78/95) sorts.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

St. Paul Bearers

Get your team done. Soon.

Hey-ho, it's back to the well we go!

1971 Giants (4)
1979 Cardinals (2)
1986 Braves (1)
and from last try...
1934 White Sox (1)
1943 Cubs (1)
1991 Astros (1)

C 79 Ted Simmons
C 71 Dick Dietz
UT 91 Craig Biggio
(They can hit)
1B 71 Willie McCovey
1B 79 Keith Hernandez
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
UT 43 Phil Cavaretta
(A Hall guy, a great defender, and a lottery ticket - and Cavvy, who's a solid pinch hitter or bench player)
2B 43 Eddie Stankey
(great patience)
SS 34 Luke Appling
(Hall of Fame shortstop)
3B 43 Stan Hack
(Solid)
LF 34 Al Simmons
(another Hall player - about to decline but still 133 career OPS+)
CF 71 Willie Mays
CF 86 Dale Murphy
(Willie is 40 but still Willie Mays - Murphy can handle it if Willie breaks down - power and Gold Gloves)
RF 43 Bill Nicholson
RF 71 Bobby Bonds
(probably a platoon - not stellar, but very capable)
4OF 79 Gary Hendrick
IF 79 Ken Oberkfell

AAA 91 Kenny Lofton (prospect)

Just missed:
COF 86 Ken Griffey Sr (is 36)
4OF 43 Andy Pafko (is a rookie)
IF 86 Ken Oberkfell (one copy of a utility infielder you hope doesn't have to start ever is enough)

SP 71 Juan Marichal
SP 71 Gaylord Perry
SP 34 Ted Lyons
(three Hall of Famers mid-career)
SP 86 Doyle Alexander
SP 43 Claude Passeau
(All-Stars with a pulse)

Bullpen:
71 Steve Hamilton
86 Bruce Sutter
86 Gene Garber
86 Paul Assenmacher
86 Duane Ward
43 Lon Warneke

AAA 43 Paul Derringer (spare starter)
AAA 91 Curt Schilling (prospect)

This is, in fact, 28 in the majors, plus three in the minors and the "just missed" guys, but I figure you other gentlemen can help!

We could use a better backup plan at SS/3B (Biggio is the backup plan at 2B), but we have some good trade chips. Thoughts?

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
Team Name: St. Paul Bearers

Team Logo:

Teams Selected:
1971 Giants (4)
1979 Cardinals (2)
1934 White Sox (1)
1943 Cubs (1)
1986 Braves (1)
1991 Astros (1)

Home City: St. Paul, Minnesota (tempted to be cute and make it St. Paul's Island, but...)

Home Stadium: Percy Pringle Memorial Field (Candlestick Park)

DH Preference: No.

28-Man Roster:

C 79 Ted Simmons
UT 91 Craig Biggio
1B 71 Willie McCovey
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
UT 43 Phil Cavaretta
2B 43 Eddie Stankey
SS 34 Luke Appling
3B 43 Stan Hack
IF 79 Ken Oberkfell
LF 34 Al Simmons
CF 71 Willie Mays
CF 86 Dale Murphy
RF 43 Bill Nicholson
RF 71 Bobby Bonds

SP 71 Juan Marichal
SP 71 Gaylord Perry
SP 34 Ted Lyons
SP 86 Doyle Alexander
SP 43 Claude Passeau

Bullpen:
CL 86 Bruce Sutter
SU 86 Gene Garber
SR 71 Steve Hamilton
SR 86 Duane Ward
MR 86 Paul Assenmacher
LR 43 Lon Warneke

AAA 43 Paul Derringer
AAA 91 Curt Schilling
AAA 91 Kenny Lofton

Lineups:
SS Luke Appling
1B Willie McCovey
LF Al Simmons
RF Bill Nicholson/Bobby Bonds
CF Willie Mays
C Ted Simmons
3B Stan Hack
2B Eddie Stankey

Strategy (Rate on a scale from -5 to +5)

gently caress. Me.

Hit and Run: -3
Sacrifice Bunt: -2
Squeeze Play: -2
Trying for extra bases: -1
Stealing Bases: -1
Aggressively Tagging Up: -1
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases): -2
Giving Intentional Walks: -4
Pitching Around Good Hitters: -3
Bringing the Infield In: 0
Guarding the Lines: -1
Making Cutoff Throws: -1
Bringing in Pinch Hitters: -1
Bringing in Pinch Runners: -2
Bringing in Defensive Replacements: +1
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest: +2
Letting pitchers pitch throw through trouble: +1
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts: +1


Pending Auction Bids:
LF 79 Lou Brock for 1912 Heinie Groh (would replace, uh, probably Oberkfell, maybe Paul Derringer in the minors)
COF 86 Ken Griffey Sr for 2011 Joaquin Benoit (would replace Duane Ward)

Just missed:
C 71 Dick Dietz
1B 79 Keith Hernandez
4OF 79 George Hendrick
4OF 43 Andy Pafko
IF 86 Ken Oberkfell

We're going to have to give Willie Mays frequent days off - short of benching him every other week or something, I'm open to suggestions.

If the other owners agree, I'd like to offer '79 Keith Hernandez to NotThatSamBeckett, who expressed interest, for, I guess, '86 John Smiley and the Postmodernist second-round Super-Draft (not dispersal) pick? I don't think we need to carry four or five guys who can play first base. He also asked for Biggio, so I would also put forward Hernandez and Biggio for their third round dispersal pick. 71 Dick Dietz would be fine as our backup, and we're in a numbers crunch, to be honest.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
The St. Paul Bearers wish to trade '71 Dick Dietz, catcher to the Oxbridge Mathematicians in exchange for journeyman reliever '99 Roberto Hernandez .

kw0134 and I approve with our one-sixth shares.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


Tweaked roster, ready for Expansion Cup?

Team Name: St. Paul Bearers

Teams Selected:
1971 Giants (4)
1979 Cardinals (2)
1934 White Sox (1)
1943 Cubs (1)
1986 Braves (1)
1991 Astros (1)

Home City: St. Paul, Minnesota (tempted to be cute and make it St. Paul's Island, but...)

Home Stadium: Percy Pringle Memorial Field The Urn (Candlestick Park)

DH Preference: No.

28-Man Roster:

C 79 Ted Simmons
UT 91 Craig Biggio
1B 71 Willie McCovey
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
UT 43 Phil Cavaretta
2B 43 Eddie Stankey
SS 34 Luke Appling
3B 43 Stan Hack
IF 79 Ken Oberkfell
LF 34 Al Simmons
CF 71 Willie Mays
CF 86 Dale Murphy
RF 43 Bill Nicholson
RF 71 Bobby Bonds

SP 71 Juan Marichal
SP 71 Gaylord Perry
SP 34 Ted Lyons
SP 86 Doyle Alexander
SP 43 Claude Passeau

Bullpen:
CL 86 Bruce Sutter
SU 86 Gene Garber
SR 71 Steve Hamilton
SR 99 Roberto Hernandez
MR 86 Paul Assenmacher
LR 43 Lon Warneke

AAA 12 Heinie Groh
AAA 91 Curt Schilling
AAA 91 Kenny Lofton

Lineups:
SS Luke Appling
1B Willie McCovey
LF Al Simmons
RF Bobby Bonds
CF Willie Mays
C Ted Simmons
3B Stan Hack
2B Eddie Stankey

Strategy (Rate on a scale from -5 to +5)

gently caress. Me.

Hit and Run: -3
Sacrifice Bunt: -2
Squeeze Play: -2
Trying for extra bases: -1
Stealing Bases: -1
Aggressively Tagging Up: -1
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases): -2
Giving Intentional Walks: -4
Pitching Around Good Hitters: -3
Bringing the Infield In: 0
Guarding the Lines: -1
Making Cutoff Throws: -1
Bringing in Pinch Hitters: -1
Bringing in Pinch Runners: -2
Bringing in Defensive Replacements: +1
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest: +2
Letting pitchers pitch throw through trouble: +1
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts: +1


Transactions:
LF 79 Lou Brock for 1912 Heinie Groh (Won in Brony Receivership Auction)
C 71 Dick Dietz for 99 Roberto Hernandez (Oxbridge Mathematicians)

Just missed:
1B 79 Keith Hernandez
4OF 79 George Hendrick
4OF 43 Andy Pafko
COF 86 Ken Griffey Sr
IF 86 Ken Oberkfell
SP 43 Paul Derringer

We're going to have to give Willie Mays frequent days off - short of benching him every other week or something, I'm open to suggestions.

I welcome, indeed, urge, opinions and proposals from the rest of the corporate ownership.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
Because Biggio hits like poo poo in the Super League, and Eddie Stanky, while he has no power at all, had a career .410 on-base %, and better defense.

But we can give Bigs a try, sure. We should also put Mays back out there and try young Schilling instead of Doyle Alexander.

Smasher, will a personal catcher order use Biggio as backstop for that battery and slot Oberkfell/Stankey in at 2B? Otherwise Ted Simmons will explode. I do have this '75 Darrell Porter I can't currently use....

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Cthulhu Dreams posted:

I think I've said this before, but you need to appoint a general manager. Otherwise you're going to suck and die.

I'll do it if you stake me in, but that's not a great offer. Looking at the existing owners the other options are to make Brookyln Bruiser your manager for the purposes of running the roster because he's keen and it will annoy smasher. Then get someone else to be GM, ideally someone who is getting relegated.

It doesn't have to be anything so firm, though I rolled my eyes at appreciate your attempt to inveigle more power for yourself.

Let's vote on this:

Each of the owners of the St. Paul Bearers shall have the ability to change roles and positions within reason*, with a vote of ownership being necessary only if an objection is raised by another owner.

Transactions with other franchises shall still require a full vote.


*(reason defined in this case as playing a player at a position he is competent at - no first basemen at second, for instance)

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
Smasher, I really like the history update. My compliments.

e: Whoops!

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
I could use another catcher. I could also use Wade Boggs, but apparently he's not on offer.

1937 Mel Harder and 1984 Harold Baines for Victor Martinez!

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

cbx posted:

Not enough.

Please help me understand how Vernon Wells is worth more than Baines?

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

tatankatonk posted:

Hey St. Paul Bearers: I'll trade you Steve Carlton for your injured Juan Marichal.

I feel like the correct response to this is: Our Juan Marichal is injured?

Say, Smasher, what's the order of operations for Gauntlet/Playoffs for the end of SLVI?

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

kw0134 posted:

The St Paul Bearers, as a fail-safe, put in a default draft preference of BPA, BPA, BPA until I can get some semblance of functionality from the other owners.

I'm always here, man.

We absolutely need another starting pitcher. He doesn't need to be a world-beater, but we need to replace Doyle Alexander, and Schilling is too young to rely on him rolling well again. If we can get two, that would mean we could go in with Marichal/Perry/DP1/Lyons/DP2 and use Passeau and Warneke as LR/backups.

Beyond that, we need another catcher if we're going to stick Biggio at second. Simmons is fine, though, so we just need a backup. I'd be fine with anyone down to Burgess on the draft list - but we can probably trade some spare parts for someone. '79 Keith Hernandez to Polyarny for Victor Martinez, maybe. Don't have to blow a pick that way.

Otherwise, honestly, we're in pretty drat good shape. I'm not thrilled with McCovey's performance, but considering a younger version is the top-rated 1B, what can we do, yanno? I'd rather have Foxx or Eddie Murray, personally. We're not likely to get improvements where we're drafting at SS/3B/LF. Maybe if Berkman/Klein/Kaline falls to us in RF, but our extant Bobby Bonds would be OK. We could use a super-utility guy better than Ken Oberkfell - Red Schoendienst or Tony Lazzeri would fill that role, off the top of my head.

Absent further conversation, I'd say we should probably go
Round 1: SP
Round 2: Foxx/Klein/Berkman/Murray/Schoendienst/Lazzeri
Round 3: Foxx/Klein/Berkman/Murray/Schoendienst/Lazzeri/SP

With the understanding that if we get one of the first four in the 2nd round, we move on to utility guy in the 3rd.

I certainly like some of those pitchers over others, but I don't want to get into that here.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

kw0134 posted:

I'm decently pleased with our starting position players, so yeah, I can get behind the idea that beyond a SP and at our drafting position what we can take is gravy. Since The Paris Polyarny proposed a trade along the lines you suggested, I would concur if you will.

I approve of both a prospective trade for backup catching and this draft selection.

Somewhat shockingly, we managed to get people together in IRC to put together the following, slightly modified, lists: (Forever and Bruiser were terrified by Ted Simmons' defense)

Round 1: Mordecai Brown/Carlton/Ford/Berra/'98 I-Rod/Foxx/Kaat
Round 2: (the above, but only one catcher total) + Berkman/Klein/Cronin/Schoendienst/Murray/'01 I-Rod
Round 3: (the above, but only draft one C/RF/IF) + RP Jeff Montgomery or better/SP

I, too, approve of the Hernandez-Martinez trade.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
I really, really, really don't want to do this to you, Smasher, but we should get Carlton, our second overall preference, over rookie Mays, who wasn't on our board.

I'm sorry. I hate the constant pick shifting.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


I wish to propose the following finalized roster for the Bearers:

Lineup

SS 34 Luke Appling
RF 04 Lance Berkman/71 Bobby Bonds
1B 71 Willie McCovey
LF 34 Al Simmons
3B 43 Stan Hack
CF 71 Willie Mays
C 79 Ted Simmons
2B 91 Craig Biggio

Bench

OF 86 Dale Murphy
IF 39 Joe Cronin
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
UT 43 Phil Cavaretta
C 11 Victor Martinez (catches for Marichal)

Pitchers

SP 71 Juan Marichal
SP 06 Mordecai Brown
SP 71 Gaylord Perry
SP 34 Ted Lyons
SP 91 Curt Schilling

CL 86 Bruce Sutter
SU 86 Gene Garber
SR 71 Steve Hamilton
SR 99 Roberto Hernandez
MR 86 Paul Assenmacher
LR 43 Lon Warneke

Minor Leaguers

IF 43 Eddie Stanky
SP 43 Claude Passeau
OF 91 Kenny Lofton

Trade Offers

We have Bill Nicholson, right fielder from the 1943 Cubs, available for trade - OPS+ of 166, and 132 for his career; .309/.386/.531 that year.

We also have two copies of Ken Oberkfell (79 and 86), if any of you need a utility infielder with good patience. Can play 2B/3B well, and SS in a pinch.

Looking for pitching and a solid backup catcher.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012




Super League VII Roster/Lineup

2B Eddie Collins (1911)
3B Eddie Mathews (1954)
1B Jeff Bagwell (1994)
CF Jim Edmonds (2000)
LF Ralph Kiner (1951)
RF Lance Berkman (2010)/Danny Tartabull (1989)
C Carlton Fisk (1984)
SS Robin Yount (1975)

Bench:
C Darrell Porter (1975) (catches for Sutton)
IF Placido Polanco (2000)
3B Chipper Jones (1995)
PH Will Clark (2000)
OF Earl Averill (1937)

Pitching:
SP Hilton Smith (Negro Leagues)
SP Sam McDowell (1966)
SP Don Sutton (1982)
SP Zack Greinke (2006)
SP Bob Feller (1937)

CL Jonathan Papelbon (2007)
SU Mike Timlin (2000)
SR Rawly Eastwick (1975)
SR Alan Embree (1995)
MR David Wells (1992)
LR Andy Messersmith (1970)

Minors:
SP LaMarr Hoyt (1984)
SP Mel Harder (1937)
SP Kevin Appier (1989)
SP Matt Morris (2000)
SP General Crowder (1930)
SS Edgar Renteria (2000)
IF Don Money (1975)
C Sandy Alomar (1995)
3B Matt Williams (1991)
OF J.D. Drew (2000)
OF Larry Hisle (1975)
OF Ray Lankford (2000)
RF Harold Baines (1984)

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Analysis

Still Intercontinental Champs, so at least you've got that!

Smasher Dynamo posted:

We have a new Intercontinental Champion!

Welp. Hopefully to the Postmodernists; if we lost three to the Bulldogs with Marichal/Brown/Perry, we're just hosed.


Smasher Dynamo posted:

St. Paul Bearers
Luke Appling (SS) (Hamstring Muscle Breached Fiduciary Duty!) - 30 days

Good thing we drafted Joe Cronin after all. He should start for now.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


I'm not worried about Yount right now, because I'm going to replace him immediately - Yount to the minors, Renteria up and starts, with a short hook in favor Polanco.

I guess I should try starting Messersmith over Rapid Robert. Did '84 Tom Seaver just straight-up retire? What'd he roll?

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Burma Imperialists
Rawly Eastwick (RP) (Yellow Fever) - 118 days



Bollocks. Bullocks, even, this being Burma. I have a lot of spare mediocre starters, and no bullpen depth. General Crowder finished a lot of games, stick him in short relief.


Smasher Dynamo posted:

St. Paul Bearers
Lance Berkman (RF) (Fled to Cayman Islands) - Out for Season

Hell. Well, owners, we can look at whether Bobby Bonds can pull his weight alone in right, or maybe platoon him with Cavvy (Phil Cavaretta). Look into it, for myself, I'd probably at least try the platoon.

We might want to consider pulling Ted Lyons. In favor of Passeau, more time for Schilling/Warneke, or trading Bagwell/Lofton or someone for a spare starter is up to the ownership.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
Yeah, I said that last week. Let's try that. I'm skeptical, but what can ya do.

Can we also put Kenny Lofton and Bagwell on the block in exchange for pitching?

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
Sorry for the double post, but:



Please switch Eddie Mathews and Jim Edmonds in the lineup. Also, switch to a straight platoon with Porter/Fisk (doesn't Porter Fiske sound like someone who belongs on the Imperialists?) and send down Chipper and call up Renteria - bench Yount and start Edgar.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Analysis

Sam McDowell is making you pay for all of the nice things he did for you last season.

Yeah, seriously. Reminds me of SL V. Still, with great power comes great risk. I don't know, though, apart from McDowell, I'm not sure where I can reasonably make productive changes.

Given that, I'll accept the Gumshoe offer - I hope Chipper is less awful for you than for me last year.

As for the offer to the Bearers, I do think we need more pitching, and don't really need three first basemen, but I believe that is '95 (really old) Martinez. Still, I guess he's been pretty effective in past seasons. What do you think, colleagues?

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

St. Paul Bearers
Claude Passeau (SP) (No escape from Ted Lyons) - Out for Season

gently caress me rigid. OK, Bearers Owners! I propose we accept both the Comanchero and Phoenix offers, because we really need loving pitching, if Sarsaparilla throws in Todd Worrell for a bullpen patch.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Analysis

I'd suggest replacing Sam McDowell but your top pitcher in your minors is LaMarr Hoyt who, in real life, suffered from an incurable case of being LaMarr Hoyt.

What if I were to bounce Hoyt to short relief and swing Crowder out to the rotation?

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Analysis

So, which trades are you guys making again? Remember, you need four owners to sign on.

Well, the trade with the Phoenixes was open for choice/discussion, but gently caress it, I guess.

It was, with the Comancheros: Jeff Bagwell for Dennis Martinez and Todd Worrell;
with the Phoenixes: Kenny Lofton for Chris Young.

I'm not thrilled, but we have to get this done. I believe ForeverBWFC and CVE, as well as, implicitly, I have approved. kw0134 or Bruiser?

Viscount Slim fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Oct 7, 2012

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
Smasher, let me just say I like the callbacks in the injury reports.

ForeverBWFC posted:

Roseboro and the W's 1st round pick for The Mathematicians 1st and 2nd round picks

This way you use your 2nd round pick on an acceptable back-up catcher (a fair trade considering the catching pool in this draft) and you keep your 1st round pick too, it's just lower. Knowing how desperate you are, I could be a lot harsher, I'm sure you'll agree.

That's just mean, man. Sweeney would be fine for you, Revenant Threshold, playing one in five, or I'll sell you Sandy Alomar or Carlton Fisk for one of your Jack Clarks or a pick or something. I also have Don Money, who can play any infield spot - he's no world-beater, but it beats playing Joe Gordon out of position, and I'm not gonna rob you for him. Arky Vaughan is coming back for you, so I don't imagine you want my Yount or Renteria.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
(And you don't need to be an owner to vote, anyone can)

Quoted for lurkers.

The following is a partisan Bearer ballot.

quote:

Ballot!

Dynamo League

Catcher
[x] Johnny Bench (Dervishes) (.293/.348/.437, 6 HRs 1.7 WAR)

First Basemen
[x] Jeff Bagwell (Imperialists) (.276/.385/.465, 7 HRs 1.0 WAR)

Second Basemen
[x] Eddie Collins (Imperialists) (.388/.451/.486, 1 HRs 2.0 WAR)

Third Basemen
[x] Mike Schmidt (Radbourns) (.253/.335/.462, 9 HRs 0.7 WAR)

Shortstops
[x] Alex Rodriguez (Superbas) (.268/.398/.489,11 HRs 2.1 WAR)

Left Fielders
[x] Al Simmons (Bearers) (.290/.333/.464, 6 HRs 0.7 WAR)

Center Fielders
[x] Jim Edmonds (Imperialists) (.309/.387/.486, 7 HRs 0.5 WAR)

Right Fielders
[x] Tony Gwynn (Generics) (.389/.417/.517, 4 HRs 1.9 WAR)

Designated Hitters
[x] Frank Thomas (Losers) (.349/.417/.568, 7 HRs 1.9 WAR)

Manager
[x] The Merry Marauder (Bangers) (Combined five finals appearances, two championships)


Smasher League

Catchers
[x] Josh Gibson (Potatoes) (.272/.335/.521, 10 HRs 0.5 WAR)

First Basemen
[x] John Olerud (Eazy W's) (.325/.418/.562, 8 HRs 2.1 WAR)

Second Basemen
[x] Lou Whitaker (Eazy W's) (.308/.386/.505, 8 HRs 3.6 WAR)

Third Basemen
[x] Ron Santo (Emperors) (.245/.314/.465, 9 HRs 0.0 WAR)

Shortstops
[x] Hanley Ramirez (Emperors) (.315/.358/.525, 4 HRs 1.0 WAR)

Left Fielders
[x] Zack Wheat (Mathematicians) (.345/.416/.483, 2 HRs 2.3 WAR)

Center Fielders
[x] Duke Snider (Eazy W's) (.255/.367/.473, 10 HRs -0.1 WAR)

Right Fielders
[x] Gary Sheffield (Mudholes) (.250/.332/.506, 11 HRs 0.7 WAR)

Designated Hitters
[x] Babe Ruth (Eazy W's) (.264/.371/.479, 8 HRs 0.4 WAR)

Manager
[x] ForeverBWFC (Eazy W's) (Assembled Legacy, may be insane)

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


I'd like to move Dennis Martinez to fifth starter, Schilling to fourth, Todd Worrell to setup, and Luke Appling back to starting SS. If we actually got Chris Young, he should be long man, in lieu of Warneke. Send down Gene Garber; DL Passeau.

As to draft preferences, I suggest Josh Hamilton in the first (Willie Mays is imploding, unlike in the Expansion), and a starting pitcher in the second round. (I expect enough SP will go ahead of us as to make it not worth drafting a fifth starter in that spot, but a bottom-rotation guy in the second would suit, probably ~Tiant/Hoyt).



Send down McDowell to get his control under control, Crowder to the rotation, LaMarr Hoyt came up as a reliever, and shall be my 7th inning guy now.

Draft Preferences

1st Round:
LF Rickey or better
Cap'n Jetes
SP Clifton Phifer Lee or better

2nd Round [first pick]:
(the above)
SP Dock Ellis or Better

2nd Round [second pick]:
RP Eck-Betancourt (no Bob Johnson)
SS Cronin/Furcal
BPA

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

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Analysis

Andy Messersmith was a fine pitcher. There's a reason the Dodgers were willing to go to arbitration to keep him, after all.

I agree and am only slightly worried by the seven walks in the "Upstate Beatdown."

Just a note that my roster moves, draft picks and some talking points for the Bearer owners are immediately above the update. I will add that since Schilling is also disintegrating, we might want to just double up on starters and chuck Dale Murphy out into center.

I'm disappointed in Kiner; he's had a depressed average since we started operations, but the power to make up for it isn't really there. Which of my passel of spare corner outfielders can play left best?

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


Thanks. Averill and KINER platoon in left, send down old man Clark and call up JD Drew.

Also, gently caress Raul Ibaņez.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


Given our rising (plummeting?) draft position, it now behooves us to go SP in both rounds, starting whoever we get immediately in 4th and 5th slots.

We also need to platoon Lofton and Murphy in center, start Appling at SS, and use Worrell at setup. Dennis Martinez is a patch for the injured Passeau.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

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Why Would I Want These Losers? Eating contest, David Wells and Cecil Fielder. Winner eats Bobby Higginson's bat speed TOO LATE IT'S ALREADY GONE.

Hahahaha.



Sorry, but the role of "light-hitting middle infielder fourth down my unimpressive shortstop depth chart" is already taken by Don Money. Give me Dennis Leonard or Dave Stewart in the end of the second, I guess. That is '89 Stewart, I expect.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


I don't like seeing [sore] on the rosters. Can we platoon Victor Martinez at first and Mays in left for the week? That should give McCovey and Al Simmons two days off, given the schedule.



I got swept by the loving Radbourns. Arghghgh.

Yobin Rount you say?!? Yeah, I think Polanco gets a chance at short. DL Renteria and call up...Don Diego de la Money! Who should never pinch-hit ever, and is only there in case Eddies Collins or Mathews burst into flame in the middle of a game.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


We certainly do need to replace Presidente, and Schilling, too. Happily, we have these new picks. Wait, we ended up with Bob Welch? Oh, gently caress me.

Anyway, I think it should be Tom Seaver at fourth starter, Bob Welch at fifth. Al Simmons back in left, McCovey at first.



Let me try Dennis Leonard in lieu of General Crowder.

New lineup:
LF Rickey Henderson
2B Eddie Collins
1B Jeff Bagwell
CF Jim Edmonds
RF Lance Berkman
C Darrell Porter/Carlton Fisk
3B Eddie Mathews/Matt Williams (for comedy value)
SS Placido Polanco

Send Yobin Rount and Tartabull down, Rickey and Matt "Soon to be subject of a snippy dispatch" Williams have to come up.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

We have a new Intercontinental Champion...and then another one.

Oh, Goddammit. Really? To them?


Smasher Dynamo posted:

Burma Imperialists
Darrell Porter (C) (One Step Forward...) - 12 days
Eddie Collins (2B) (Two Steps Back...) - 16 days

...Goddammit.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
Oh, yes, so glad the Bearers are finding their feet just as I lose All-Star Eddie Collins. Blargh.



Yobin Rount, truly, it is density. Collins and Porter to the DL, call up Sandy Alomar Jr to be Leonard's personal catcher, call up Yount for SS, Polanco to 2B.

Re: my bullpen, maybe, but it's surprisingly hard to find the tempo to replace them. Timlin's been money before now, and Boomer just needs to not gently caress up in low leverage.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012


Goddammit, Yobin. Rount back to the bench, put in Don Diego de la Money at short. gently caress. At least Eddie Collins comes back in a week or so.

Swap Messersmith and Greinke in the rotation, too. If Feller has to go, then I'll live with that.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Burma Imperialists
Danny Tartabull (RF) (You listen and you listen good. This is a warning. If you don't start Matt Williams at shortstop, I'm going to break every other player even theoretically capable of playing shortstop on your team. Capice?) - 90 days

Fine, you big bully. Put Eddie Collins back at second and start Matt Williams at short.

Entertaining offers for shortstops with a pulse; I can pay in corner outfielders, mostly. Please don't offer me org filler.

I'm looking forward to the All-Star series!


oldskool posted:

drat it Bearers, I want that Craig Biggio, one of your slack-jawed owners show up and deal him to me.

Why are we trading you our starting second baseman? You have LaJoie there? I'm not sure he can play catcher full-time anymore if that's your plan.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

oldskool posted:

Lajoie's a deadballer, which means his defense is godawful. I can jam him at first base and put Biggio at second and greatly improve my defense with essentially a lateral move offensively because Rusty Staub's playing 1B due to a bunch of injuries I never bothered to re-update my lineup for after they concluded.

Interesting. Well, if you think Mathews is worth anything (I don't know his year), why not put him at third and Pujols at first? That would improve your defense as well, and wouldn't sap your power so much.

I see Mathews was hurt, but I suppose that's past now.

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Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Idaho Potatoes
Willie Horton (LF) (Violated Utica Accords) - 10 days

The fiend!!

Dukakis was behind that, wasn't he? Does his infamy know no bounds?

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