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1554 posted:New Reader Alert! I have some questions about Turn Coat. For Luccio, I think it had to do with being in the new body, combined with her mind having already been tampered with by Corpseraker. And I think Peabody managed to influence everyone, but only directly control the younger Wardens.
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MildShow posted:For Luccio, I think it had to do with being in the new body, combined with her mind having already been tampered with by Corpseraker. And I think Peabody managed to influence everyone, but only directly control the younger Wardens. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
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MildShow posted:For Luccio, I think it had to do with being in the new body, combined with her mind having already been tampered with by Corpseraker. And I think Peabody managed to influence everyone, but only directly control the younger Wardens. Yeah, pretty much. He pulled the whammy on everyone he could pull it on. Younger Wardens, or those who were already mindfucked (Luccio), were the easiest. Remember, dude had years, maybe even decades, to do his work. Just waiting for the opportune moment. He triggered it early when Harry exposed him. Imagine if Harry hadn't figured it out. Locking down half the council with a word, and messing with the rest? It could have been a disaster.
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Codex alera: I'm two thirds through Princep's Fury, and I really haven't enjoyed it as much since everything started revolving around the fight with the Totally-Not-The-Zerg. I kinda feel like the series peaked when Tavi was still furyless, but in a position of massive responsibility as a legion captain. When he started getting his furies, I feel it started to degenerate into more boilerplate fantasy. It's still enjoyable though, and I'll probably finish the sixth book.
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Geisladisk posted:Codex alera: I'm two thirds through Princep's Fury, and I really haven't enjoyed it as much since everything started revolving around the fight with the Totally-Not-The-Zerg. I kinda feel like the series peaked when Tavi was still furyless, but in a position of massive responsibility as a legion captain. When he started getting his furies, I feel it started to degenerate into more boilerplate fantasy. Agreed on all counts.
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What's up with folks saying Dresden is starborn and his mom designed him to be an outsider murdering machine? I think I missed that bit.
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builds character posted:What's up with folks saying Dresden is starborn and his mom designed him to be an outsider murdering machine? I think I missed that bit. So far there hasn't been an explicit exposition dump on what a Starborn is, how they come about, or what they can do. However there are bits and pieces of information scattered across all the books that amount to, 1. Starborn come to be through some confluence of circumstances, either accidental or engineered. 2. Both Harry and Elaine are Starborn. 3. Being Starborn gives you the ability to wield some kind of influence over Outsiders. Precisely what this means hasn't been covered, but Harry's magic has been shown to work more or less as normal when fighting Outsiders. Other Wizards, even those with Senior Council level talent, have difficulty getting their magic to have any effect on Outsiders. Past that, we dun know much. Basically Harry (and Elaine) were born with super powers that turn them into silver bullets against Outsiders, who are likely to wind up as the Big Bads of the entire series. So, you know, that's nice for them. As for why Maggie set about making sure Dresden would be a Starborn... It might be as simple as wanting him to have a fighting chance against Lord Raith, since Raith had made some kind of deal that got him Outsider protection and rendered him pretty much immune to magic. It could also be something a lot more convoluted and, knowing these books, it's probably the latter of the two. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 20, 2014 |
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ConfusedUs posted:Remember, dude had years, maybe even decades, to do his work. Just waiting for the opportune moment. He triggered it early when Harry exposed him. Imagine if Harry hadn't figured it out. Locking down half the council with a word, and messing with the rest? I kind of love, as well, the implication that the reason Harry wasn't affected by it all wasn't because there was anything special about his mental defenses, it was because he couldn't be bothered to show up to do his damned paperwork. builds character posted:What's up with folks saying Dresden is starborn and his mom designed him to be an outsider murdering machine? I think I missed that bit. I think the most specific information comes from this passage from White Night: quote:"It is relevant," Lasciel said, "because of the circumstances of your birth -- because of why you were born, Harry. Your mother found the strength to escape Lord Raith for a reason."
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Skippy McPants posted:
I have read this a few times in this thread, but I can not remember every hearing it in the series. Where does it say Elaine is a Starborn? It was mentioned justin took them both in to be his enforcers but I don't think it it was said she was Starborn.
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Oroborus posted:I have read this a few times in this thread, but I can not remember every hearing it in the series. Where does it say Elaine is a Starborn? It was mentioned justin took them both in to be his enforcers but I don't think it it was said she was Starborn. Silento posted:http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,21772.msg947679.html#msg947679
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docbeard posted:I kind of love, as well, the implication that the reason Harry wasn't affected by it all wasn't because there was anything special about his mental defenses, it was because he couldn't be bothered to show up to do his damned paperwork. We know there's nothing special about Dresden's mental defenses, other than sheer stubbornness. The Corpsetaker takes him apart in seconds in Dead Beat.
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ConfusedUs posted:We know there's nothing special about Dresden's mental defenses, other than sheer stubbornness. The Corpsetaker takes him apart in seconds in Dead Beat. Yet another reminder that Molly super scary. Even though she and Dresden had been training the fact that she held her own against Corpsetaker, considering their relative experience, is drat impressive.
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Skippy McPants posted:Yet another reminder that Molly super scary. Even though she and Dresden had been training the fact that she held her own against Corpsetaker, considering their relative experience, is drat impressive. I'd even go so far as to say that ol' Capiocorpus was Molly's He Who Walks Behind.
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Molly didn't really hold her own against Corpsetaker; she was out of her league from the start and the entire fight was one long delaying action. It wasn't even really a fight, it was a beating that Molly managed to survive. That's still impressive as hell, especially from a wizard that junior, but "not getting knocked out in the first round" doesn't mean she held her own.
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Man, listening to the ritual chapter in changes is a real punch in the gut.  Two more books to go before I'm up to date I guess.
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Chapter 5 is up. AND IT IS TOO GODDAMN SHORT. Murphy joke intended. Edit: Also Mister makes me 
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DJ_Ferret posted:Chapter 5 is up. AND IT IS TOO GODDAMN SHORT. Yesssssss I mean, that was pretty much what everybody expected anyway, but still. Seven days until I can read this book...
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Khizan posted:Molly didn't really hold her own against Corpsetaker; she was out of her league from the start and the entire fight was one long delaying action. It wasn't even really a fight, it was a beating that Molly managed to survive. That's still impressive as hell, especially from a wizard that junior, but "not getting knocked out in the first round" doesn't mean she held her own. In the circles Dresden runs in not getting instantly tent poled counts as holding your own. Remember that the first time Dresden ran up against Corpsetaker she turned him into a meat puppet with zero effort.
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Skippy McPants posted:In the circles Dresden runs in not getting instantly tent poled counts as holding your own. Remember that the first time Dresden ran up against Corpsetaker she turned him into a meat puppet with zero effort. Also to add to this, from Ghost Story, that Harry's faceoff with HWWB wasn't exactly a triumph, he blew up a gas station and thought he'd banished a regular old demon. I'd put Molly vs Corpsetaker in that league, definitely.
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Speaking of Molly, her short story "Bombshell" is a fun read. Also i cant be the only one refusing to read any of the chapter previews, ill get my dresden fix when its good and ready damnit. 
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Thyrork posted:Speaking of Molly, her short story "Bombshell" is a fun read. I didn't read them  I listened to Jim Butcher read them. I'm going to resist reading chapter 5 though, mostly because I'd just end up reading it again when it comes out.
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Thyrork posted:Speaking of Molly, her short story "Bombshell" is a fun read. I never read the preview chapters. For those interested, The Severed Streets is out today.
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Woah, Murphy introduction without standard text by bloc
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Won't read those preview chapters. You can't make me. Only a few more days for my fix 
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Sometimes Butcher can really nail describing aspects of humanity:quote:There’s power in the touch of another person’s hand. We acknowledge it in little ways, all the time. There’s a reason human beings shake hands, hold hands, slap hands, bump hands.
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Ornamented Death posted:I never read the preview chapters. For those not interested, get interested. London Falling was fantastic stuff.
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Thyrork posted:Speaking of Molly, her short story "Bombshell" is a fun read. I refuse to read them as well is "Bombshell" worth buying the whole anthology to read it?
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Mars4523 posted:Gawd, Murphy's the best. Disagree.
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Anias posted:Disagree. You're not good people.
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Azuth0667 posted:I refuse to read them as well is "Bombshell" worth buying the whole anthology to read it? I'm refusing, too. I'd get the anthology from the library and buy the next Dresden-only short story collection when it inevitably comes out.
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ImpAtom posted:You're not good people. That's ok, Murphy isn't a good character, so I'm fine not being a murphy fan.
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Any fans of Dresden should probably check out the Michael Connolly thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3633327 His main series is about a modern-era LA homicide detective named Harry who has a daughter named Maddie and a half brother who is an attorney (so basically a vampire). It's very pulpy and a little predictable sometimes but it's hard not to think this series must have been a direct influence on Butcher.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Any fans of Dresden should probably check out the Michael Connolly thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3633327 I will second this recommendation, they are very good books (except for the Jack McEvoy ones)
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Screen Door Slams posted:Isn't Merlin English/Welsh, and Rashid Middle Eastern? My reasoning is that Merlin is a legendary figure, that much of what is "known" about him is myth. Much like the Western world does to Jesus, the common Merlin figure may be influenced by the biases of those telling the stories. Plus, we know Rashid did something that royally pissed off Demonreach, and I imagine making the island into an Old God prison would enrage any genius loci.
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I don't think Rashid is the Merlin, but it would not surprise me at all to find that he had, in the past, been a Merlin. Also, the possibility literally just hit me now, but I think there is a significantly non-zero chance that Harry is a direct descendant of the original Merlin.
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Just finished my series re-read. Something kinda struck me, after reading the Butcher Reddit AMA where he said things like Eldest are mantles, was when the Rashid basically says there must always be a Gatekeeper... could Gatekeeper be a mantle? It seems to fit, since the Sidhe having mortal champions to do the things that they can't do themselves. Especially interesting is that the Council barely seems to have any idea what the Gatekeeper does, or the true nature of the conflict and Nemesis, etc which seems to support the idea that there's something else behind the Gatekeeper's position. Then again, maybe the Dresden universe version of A Wizard Did It applies here (Merlin Did It). Also, the Whatsup Dock. I forgot about that and it made me chuckle out loud.
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docbeard posted:Also, the possibility literally just hit me now, but I think there is a significantly non-zero chance that Harry is a direct descendant of the original Merlin. Since Ebenezer has all the journals of his mentor and his mentors mentor and his mentors mentors mentor and so on and so forth all the way back to the Original Merlin's diaries, my theory is that he and Harry are not only descended from the O.M. (magic being somewhat of a bloodline thing and all) but that the books we're reading are Harry's continuation of Ebenezer's journal collection.
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Yeah, the idea that the Dresden Files are Harry's journals has occurred to me as well. Also, magic is supposed to be passed down from the mother's side, but who knows with Merlin. As ATV said, A Wizard Did It!
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Silento posted:Yeah, the idea that the Dresden Files are Harry's journals has occurred to me as well. Also, magic is supposed to be passed down from the mother's side, but who knows with Merlin. As ATV said, A Wizard Did It! Usually passed down, not always. It's how Charity keeps her dark past a secret!
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