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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Eponine posted:

Saw this in the Best Buy parking lot today:




With Manufacturer plates. In mid-Michigan. Who is importing Citroens?

:wtc: Did a woman just post in AI?

It's probabvly GM? They just bought a stake in PSA Peugeot Citroen and are probably going to do some joint vehicles for the Euro market.

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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Both the Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger and the new Honda Accord have actually reduced the width of their pillars and/or lowered the beltline, I think, compared to the last generation.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Geoj posted:

Those ignorant of anything to do with cars seem to be attracted to them. A friend of mine just bought a 2011 Grand Caravan this past spring and had to take it in for warranty service. They gave him a 200 as a loaner and he was going on and on about what a great car it was and how fast it was, and how he could see buying one eventually. I tried breaking the news that its a dressed-up Sebring gently but apparently that wasn't enough to scare him off.

Of course, this is the same guy who thinks his mom's Buick Lacrosse is the pinnacle of automotive engineering, and who went on about how CVT transmissions would replace traditional slushbox autos and manuals by the end of the decade when he read an article about them in Popular Science in 2002...

Did I stumble into hondatech? What is with all this domestic hate? The Lacrosse assuming you mean the new one is a legitimately very good car that has sold very well and has been perfectly reliable. The 200 may not be the best car in the segment(that's why it's the cheapest) but it's perfectly adequate, reliable transportation and with the 3.6l V6 pretty fast.

I would buy a Sebring in an instant if it was the right price and had the 4 cyl with a manual. Even the 2.7l and the auto weren't too bad in the later years, friend of mine who's not bad with cars has had a couple of them, he keeps the tranny fluid fresh and uses synthetic oil only on the 2.7l engine and has never had a problem.

I honestly don't understand why anyone would even consider a Japanese car at all these days, other than a Prius or RX8 or something like that. American cars are just so much better in every way.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
The spoiler was the least offensive part of the car.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

IOwnCalculus posted:

It's pretty much the brundlefly of cars, screaming for GM to kill it to end its suffering.

The original top trim GTP in 2006 looked like this.



Sure it was a "performance model" with a 3.9l V6 that put out 240hp but at least it wasn't too bad looking.

The GXP was only offered for 2008. By complete coincidence GM went bankrupt and the Pontiac Brand was killed in the same year. :wth:

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Seat Safety Switch posted:

I had a middle aged coworker whose absolute dream car was a Solara, and he aspired to own one one day so he could know that he had made it and could retire comfortably.

He owned a Camry at the time. I'm still not sure if he just mixed it up with another car or not.

My old boss got one to replace his MINI. The interiors are actually pretty nice and with the V6 they are pretty fast too, also its only competition was the Sebring cab.

Of course now that the Chrysler 200 has an updated interior and the new super V6 I kind of want one, cheap and endless torque steer amusement wheee! :roflolmao:


quote:

Honda Accord poo poo

The 1990s was around the time when the Accord (production now in Ohio) actually became the best selling car in America, presumably because after cross shopping with the contemporary Ford Tempo or Chevy Corsica your average car buyer said "Welp, wrap in up America" and started learning Japanese too. IAll the domestic makers basically gave up on cars entirely and just stuck to BOF trucks and SUVs for the next 20 years. t's the "most stolen" because everything else from that era has already been sent to the crusher 10 years ago.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

PainterofCrap posted:

They're not a bad-looking car, especially the convertible. Most people don't know the first thing about cars, and their first impression will be appearance.

You must mean the previous generation because the current generation looks awful, even after they re-did it in 2011. The roofline and C-pillars are bizarre.

Which is all right with me because I would definitely buy one of the re-vamped models if I had to pick something in its segment. The V6 model gives you an absurd amount of power for very little money and that's all I care about. They even revamped the suspension so it handles OK too, now.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Some terrible stuff is going to happen to that Taurus'es transmission if he keeps that up.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I didn't think much of the gold Camaro until I happened to read that it's actually a ZL1, you know, the special one with all the functional underbody aero, magnetic suspension, track oriented trans and diff coolers and supercharged engine.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Maybe he just wants to smash capitalism and gently caress the system

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I don't understand this at all. If anything a Corvette should be the ultimate self-depreciating car guy car? It goes fast and handles well for not a lot of money and is just middle American values on wheels.

They start at like what $45k? That's BMW-3-series-with-leather money, what is there to be an insufferable prick *about*? Are these people just sill thinking in 1983 dollars?

I really want a Viper one day, and there are enough Viper owners in my town to actually have a club where they go on cruises and poo poo. I wonder what their meets are like? Presumably the people who are bad drivers/insufferable are all killed in no-ABS-no-ETC crashes/set on fire by the exhaust early in their ownership.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

InitialDave posted:

There's another Miata under there.

Ok, watched the Pacific Rim trailer, and while a Figaro didn't seem out of context here:


Is that a Ford Ka? In California?


I guess it's sourced from one of the South American markets. I mean, trans-dimensional portals, 300' tall monsters and mecha are one thing, but a non-CARB compliant vehicle in San Francisco?



I'm not the only one who does this, right? Right? :ohdear:

They're fairly common in Mexico, it could just be the car of a Mexican national working in the US, not common but not implausible.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

blugu64 posted:

I've seen a Ka here in Texas. Didn't have american plates though.

Probably don't need it depending on how long the guy is staying in the country. In Texas he could just be over for a day or 2 and is probably fine, there are foreigners with moon cars here long term who get local plates because they have local insurance and whatnot.

Remember your plates are issued by your state and are unrelated to the Federal government's policies on international trade in automobiles.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
The guy across the street who also owns a Civic would be my prime suspect.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Infinit recently hired Audi's former North America boss to be its boss. His first thing is to revamp the whole naming system.



:wtc: People who buy luxury cars are really inscrutable.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

AlmightyPants posted:

I am honestly going to call up Infiniti North America tomorrow and tell them this is an awful, awful idea. My family has had several Infinitis over the years and I cannot make heads or tails of this new naming scheme. I understand why they're doing it - to hide the fact that if they stick a 2 liter turbo into a G it would be a G20 and 20 is less than 25 or 37 so therefore worse. This is just madness though. They're obliterating all their brand equity and recognition.

Audi (where Infiniti's new head DeNyschen came from) has actually done this in China now. Instead of the model designation followed by the engine displacement, they just use arbitrary numbers, so the A6 with the 2.0l turbo is called the A6 25, the lo-po 3.0l supercharged is the A6 35 and the hi-po 3.0l is called the A6 50, or some poo poo like that. This is all in China though, and since VW/Audi is the worst carmaker in the word and CHina the worst country in the world( and VW/Audi's biggest market) who cares. Infinti's world wide headquaters is now in Hong Kong though, so maybe they are trying to pull a similar thing.

JP Money posted:

Why is this dumb? If you were placed into a company that was having middling sales the first business tactic would be to differentiate your product from those old poorly selling models (even if they're the same). I doubt the guy is concerned with what random internet goons think. His primary thought is "well, BMW does this kind of thing, why can't we??".


Well I know I am just a random internet goon so that's why I said these people were inscrutable. Also BMW didn't use to do it like that, their name scheme actually made reasonable sense, but now BMW has gone off the rails too, with the new "4 series" and all that stuff so yeah, inscrutable.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

nm posted:

Jack was better back when he was just the weird guy who autocrossed a phaeton and got it to lift its back wheel (proving that it was in fact, just a VW).


Proving that the VW Phaeton is just a VW? What?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
REcalls aren't really news anymore but GM always manages to surprise with the kind of things that get recalled.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/20/gm-recalling-118k-colorado-canyon-pickups-over-missing-hood-lat/

2010-2012 Canyons and Colorados recalled because they straight up forgot to install hood latches. :bravo:

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Maybe someone with more academic background in suspension design can explain this better but I want to bounce a thought that I am having about the Corvette's leaf springs.

The way they use a transverse leaf spring is actually a very smart way to set up a road car. On a normal car, the weight of the car is transmitted from the wheels to the springs to the shock towers and the unibody. This means that the unibody is the final point of stress for the torque and thus have to be strengthengd accordingly. This you have poo poo like chassis braces and strut tower bars and the like. On a Corvette the weight also goes from the wheels to the springs, but in this case the springs themselves are stressed members that are a part of the car's underbody "backbone" that goes transversely across the car as one solid piece. So the "strut towers" on a Corvette don't need to be as strong as they would be on a regular car with a unibody and coil springs, because the weight of the car isn't resting on the strut towers and the body isn't being twisted when the car is turning hard. Thus the entire body can be made lighter and roomier (for bigger engine :911:), while retaining the torsional rigidity of the backbone and the leaf springs, and the car's CoG is brought down very low because all the "stiff" parts are very low to the ground already.

The downside to this setup is that you can't adjust the spring rate of the leaf springs very easily on the fly like you could with coil springs, so that's why race cars (and the C5R) still stick to coils, and a race car needs a ridiculous amount of cross bracing from the roll cage anyway.

The Viper should go to a rear transaxle like the Vette though. The complaints with the current Viper are that there's no space to put your feet and the pedals because the huge transmission is in the way, and when driven hard the transmission is still heating up the cabin a lot. On the old Viper the transmission could actually heat up the interior enough to make it uncomfortable for the driver.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I mean a pit crew could just have a bunch of different coil springs lying around and swap them out when needed.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
They're filming the final episodes of Breaking Bad over there right now, maybe it's some kind of camera/film truck?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
What the gently caress is it, a Kia Sedona?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Black88GTA posted:

Car Where's Waldoawful 1980s F-body is the best, someone should make this an actual thing. gently caress the gangly cartoon guy in the red hat. :colbert:

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Nissans basically expand in a concentric circle from the US south. THey are huge in the southern states, less common as you go north and almost non-existant in Canada for some reason (The "big 3" Japanese marques in Canada are Toyota, Honda and Mazda).

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Captain McAllister posted:

...and really don't like fat chicks, apparently.

I like fat chicks but unlike that guy my car also has fuctional suspension.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Sergio Marchionne talks like a character out of Boardwalk Empire.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/16/marchionne-uses-racial-epithet-to-describe-what-must-power-futur/

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
If there isn't already a scooter ice racing league in ny town then i'm making it my mission in life to set one up. it sounds like a huge amount of fun for not much money and personal danger.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Here's a bunch of remarkably unfunny cartoons about BMWs.

http://www.autoneuroticfixation.com/2013/01/typisch-bmw-fahrer-cartoons.html

I mean I don't want to jump immedietly to any national stereotypes, but really?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

veedubfreak posted:

What exactly is the thought process behind skinning the fuel door? I never understood why people do this poo poo. If I had it my way I'd hide that fucker behind a tail light or something on my car. Why do people like bringing attention to it.

It's easier than skinning an entire fender? Same reason why people get fiberglass hoods and stuff - you can take the piece off easily without any cutting or welding.

Oh and the new Ford Focus was designed with you in mind.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Here's an 18 car pileup in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzIIFKYaQyI

Corvette

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Feb 13, 2013

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Along the same lines,




A Tianjing Xiali N3, which I think is some kind of licensed copy of the Daihatsu Charade, with the front and rear end of a Toyota Mark X.

What it originally looked like

What they were going for


Remarkably clean and well done, and unlike the others, everything is properly scaled down.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
This is appropos of nothing but a lot of Jeep curmudgeons would be much happier if they'll just accept that the 4 door Wrangler is the new Cherokee. They're probably not going to make another midsize mass-market baby-carrier crossover with a front live axle boys.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Spades posted:

The thing that bothers me about the PT Cruiser is that at no point has it ever seemed like a good looking, well performing, practical, reliable or comfortable car - there's absolutely no appeal regardless of the way you look at it. Seemingly everything about it is wrong and terrible and yet people still buy them.

It came out in 2000, reminder that in 2000 the J-body and the Escort still have 4 or 5 years of life to go and were selling in the hundreds of thousands. It was eminently practical especially for small businesses - the rear seats could be taken out and you had a large cargo area with a flat loading floor thanks to the relatively sophisticated Watt's linkage rear suspension. It was also I suspect the cheapest convertible you could get and definitely the only one with 4 doors.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
What do you use such a thing for? Wikipedia says it has a GVWR of 14,000lbs and a tow rating of 16,000lbs which sound really low - that's like half what a Ram 2500 is rated for, and they want $90,000 for it?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
For those reading at home who haven't been keepin it real with GM's model lineup, just a reminder that this isn't some crazy aftermarket thing, it was an actual factory special edition truck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Silverado#Intimidator_SS

Is anyone keeping a tally of the number of actual factory stock cars from each manufacturer that show up in this thread?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

phade posted:

This poor Porsche showed up in the Japanese auction listings today:




Carrerosa?

This thing is actually an RX-7 isn't it?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Carteret posted:

Ah yes, the Infiniti G35S GT Supercharged. I like the optional rear led fog lights because gently caress you.

Appropos of nothing, the "GT" emblem is a legit Nissan heritage thing. Supposed to denote a certain trim level or some poo poo.





Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
The ssanyong came out years before the X6, I see them reasonably often here in China, since ssanyong was chinese iwned for a bit and I think its still in production, so the first time I saw the X6 the first thought that came to mind was that BMW had ripped off Ssanyong.

Given Bmw's recent styling decisions, if I didn't know better I would have belied that was a real BMW

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 15, 2013

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Jonny Nox posted:


Also: 16 Ave NW, Calgary


Owners are going to be complaining about how poo poo their Toyota is after they have to completely replace the rear suspension in a year (the bumper was about an inch off the ground) Not seen, kids wandering around in the back.


I would have thought those things came with Nivomats in the back, considering how much Toyota charges for them. You can get Nivomats with the tow package on Dodge/Chrysler vans.

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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

BoostCreep posted:

My favorite part is that it's a Nissan Quest. GO AMERICA! THIS IS HOW GEORGE WASHINGTON DID IT! ALSO I DON"T SUPPORT MY OWN COUNTRY BUY BUYING AMERICAN BUT I'LL SURE AS HELL MAKE SURE YOU DO!

Which one of the stickers is actually advocating that position?

ALmost all the crazy tea party cars I've seen posted in this thread and others have been Japanese marques that are built in America by non-unionized workers in union-hostile states, which is perfectly consistent with (what I understand of) their political views. Were you expecting them to drive a Government Motors vehicle built by UAW communists?

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