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Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Saw Jason Isbell in Toronto last night. Had no idea that his lined up had changed but it was still a fantastic concert. Jimbo Hart is taking time off for mental health, so there was a fill in player. They've got another guy playing drums and guitar to that thicken out the sound in some songs. He mentioned the 10th anniversary of Southeastern being released and they've got some plan around that. My guess is a re-issue with bonus tracks.

Opening for him was S.G. Goodman. Beautiful voice and great banter with the crowd. Wish I could have heard more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5uLvHk0DeI

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Happy Hippo
Aug 8, 2004

The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Batman's Shameful Secret > BSS Derailed Thread: Spider-Island

Bonzo posted:

Saw Jason Isbell in Toronto last night. Had no idea that his lined up had changed but it was still a fantastic concert. Jimbo Hart is taking time off for mental health, so there was a fill in player. They've got another guy playing drums and guitar to that thicken out the sound in some songs. He mentioned the 10th anniversary of Southeastern being released and they've got some plan around that. My guess is a re-issue with bonus tracks.

Opening for him was S.G. Goodman. Beautiful voice and great banter with the crowd. Wish I could have heard more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5uLvHk0DeI

That guy is Will Johnson, and he was the primary songwriter and vocalist in Centro-matic and in South San Gabriel, who were both actually the same band, sort of. Centro-matic was more rock oriented and they were pretty great. He was also the touring drummer for Monsters of Folk and was declared an official member during a live gig, they even performed some of his songs. He also has solo material and did a duo album with the late great Jason Molina. His career is worth looking into. I recommend Dual Hawks, a double album with one Centro-matic album and one South San Gabriel album to get you started.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Thanks, I started following him on Instagram.

Amanda Shires was not at the show and it was nice to see them change things up a bit to fill in her parts. Isbell is at his peak right now. Even with the fill in players they were tight as hell.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Has anyone ever been to Americana Fest in Nashville? Thinking of going but not sure what the vibe is.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Narcissus1916 posted:

Has anyone ever been to Americana Fest in Nashville? Thinking of going but not sure what the vibe is.

How do you feel about drunk bachelorettes wooing at you from a pedal tavern?

Criminal Minded
Jan 4, 2005

Spring break forever
You know what's crazy is how much better Current 93 is than every other band to ever perform

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

new Zach Bryan/Kacey Musgraves track (fine, didn't blow me away?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVVvJjwzl6c

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004

Our posts
What are some of the most class conscious, working class songs, in country n folk?

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Bald Stalin posted:

What are some of the most class conscious, working class songs, in country n folk?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fbEstJ98TcM

Final Blog Entry
Jun 23, 2006

"Love us with money or we'll hate you with hammers!"

Bald Stalin posted:

What are some of the most class conscious, working class songs, in country n folk?

https://youtu.be/1XKMwWZVpPE

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqho5R9pZqw
And the rest of the Harlan County, USA soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaYz5B1emGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-38wA4A-SQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj2iGAifSNI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Eqt2v1uYU

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Happy Hippo posted:

That guy is Will Johnson, and he was the primary songwriter and vocalist in Centro-matic

Isbell's song "To A Band That I Loved" is about Centro-matic so that's pretty cool.

Bald Stalin posted:

What are some of the most class conscious, working class songs, in country n folk?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmbwU3J-2kk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pid0Ud4y3XY

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Aug 29, 2023

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


I sense an argument being settled in facebook comments over rich men north of richmond.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


HenryJLittlefinger posted:

I sense an argument being settled in facebook comments over rich men north of richmond.

Oh yeah if that's the case, the Hazel Dickens and James McMurtry ones are great. 'Can't make it here anymore' is almost 20 years old and sounds like it could have been written 2 years ago because not much has changed :(


Some more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRc9WfKT_c4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir5tKeWMSIA

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


I saw that Oliver Anthony dude make some claim that "I'm talking about the suffering miners, which nobody is talking about"

Like my brother have you never heard Big Bad John??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnnHprUGKF0

Or The L&N Don't Stop Here Anymore??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leARiyb_sgk

Or Paradise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEy6EuZp9IY

And Americana musicians are doing it today even!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVO921Mr-aw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NM8vKu2wWM


It chaps my rear end how chuddy musicians and their fans act like they're visionary working class heroes and completely miss the entire goddamn history of country/folk/bluegrass being built on the working class struggles. I don't know if this request was about that astroturfed red bearded ding dong with a nice guitar but that's just been bothering me lately.

HenryJLittlefinger fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Aug 29, 2023

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Their eyes locked and suddenly there was the sound of breaking glass.
\
We talking about mining?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjFcllICjUc

HamAdams
Jun 29, 2018

yospos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I15_KUsOzs

Allyn
Sep 4, 2007

I love Charlie from Busted!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67dYxOXPtfQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev4eFLpWFBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDVaqccCxQ8
Not so much about being working class as being from a working class rust belt town, though

And a couple on the poppier side that I still think bear mentioning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfNBGA3MJrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZfj2Ir3GgQ

Allyn fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Aug 29, 2023

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

I saw that Oliver Anthony dude make some claim that "I'm talking about the suffering miners, which nobody is talking about"


It chaps my rear end how chuddy musicians and their fans act like they're visionary working class heroes and completely miss the entire goddamn history of country/folk/bluegrass being built on the working class struggles. I don't know if this request was about that astroturfed red bearded ding dong with a nice guitar but that's just been bothering me lately.

This is a long running thread in country music. Social media surely fuels this and I think most of the people complaining are doing it just troll. Or they're bots.

Coal Miner's Daughter is an interesting take on it, as she lists the struggles but she's proud that her Father does it. That really rings true to that area of Kentucky and West Virginia. There's a pride in the work, a tradition if you will. People will say, "well why don't they just move!?!?", and while most do, some consider that Home. They have family there, friends, so they want to try and make it better or just enjoy life. Work is hard, life is hard but you depend on your community, neighbor and family. Unfortunately, education suffers as does opportunity to see past the Holler you grew up in. People fall for the politician stuff again and again. They love the town they have, the way of life they have, and don't like outsiders telling them how to live. It doesn't help when a Democrat says they are going to shut down the coal industry.

Prine's Paradise is about as on the nose as you can get.


This too.

But also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl751CDdRZI

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Their eyes locked and suddenly there was the sound of breaking glass.
\
Ooh, are we doing Canadian industries dying now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5EusP_tEK8

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Bonzo posted:

This is a long running thread in country music. Social media surely fuels this and I think most of the people complaining are doing it just troll. Or they're bots.

Coal Miner's Daughter is an interesting take on it, as she lists the struggles but she's proud that her Father does it. That really rings true to that area of Kentucky and West Virginia. There's a pride in the work, a tradition if you will. People will say, "well why don't they just move!?!?", and while most do, some consider that Home. They have family there, friends, so they want to try and make it better or just enjoy life. Work is hard, life is hard but you depend on your community, neighbor and family. Unfortunately, education suffers as does opportunity to see past the Holler you grew up in. People fall for the politician stuff again and again. They love the town they have, the way of life they have, and don't like outsiders telling them how to live. It doesn't help when a Democrat says they are going to shut down the coal industry.


Yeah, and that's why I left Coal Miner's Daughter off my list. It's totally reasonable to be proud of coming from a hard trade background through region and family, especially when that trade is something that provides for people's needs one way or another. Tyler Childers and Sturgill Simpson both allude pretty explicitly to that part of the struggle in their songs. And like so many trades that are defining and dominating for the region, poor families often don't have a way to not be part of it, so why not take pride in what you've been dealt in life. Where I come from, there's chicken farming and timber. If your family doesn't have means and you're not a superstar student, you will have a hard time leaving the region and likely spend a lot of your life working in a chicken plant or driving a pulpwood truck or working in a paper mill.

Industries that exploit and damage natural resources and the people are never so simple as to be painted all good or all bad. You can be deeply and inescapably part of the system, hate it and want to leave it, resent what it's done to your land and your people, want better for the people you work with and for, and be proud of the work you do in it. Yeah, coal mining is pretty clearly bad and we need to not do it anymore, but the people who do it aren't bad just because that's one of the few options they had to make a living. It really is a perfect industry to write country music about.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

Where I come from, there's chicken farming and timber. If your family doesn't have means and you're not a superstar student, you will have a hard time leaving the region and likely spend a lot of your life working in a chicken plant or driving a pulpwood truck or working in a paper mill.

Industries that exploit and damage natural resources and the people are never so simple as to be painted all good or all bad. You can be deeply and inescapably part of the system, hate it and want to leave it, resent what it's done to your land and your people, want better for the people you work with and for, and be proud of the work you do in it. Yeah, coal mining is pretty clearly bad and we need to not do it anymore, but the people who do it aren't bad just because that's one of the few options they had to make a living. It really is a perfect industry to write country music about.


I grew up in Northern KY but my family roots are in Appalachia. My grandfather (born in 1910) was learning to take over his uncle's saw mill. Well, one night at 3am, it caught fire and that was the last of the mill and the family business. As luck would have it, his school grades were pretty good so he was able to get into University. From there he had a good career as a small business owner after WW2. He knew he was lucky and I got the feeling he carried some guilt over that.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Do you know about Old Gods of Appalachia? If not, check it out.

For anyone else into horror serial podcasts, it's about all kinds of old folk horrors and witchcraft and such from little coal towns in Appalachia, mostly Kentucky. There's a pretty good focus on the exploitation of people and the land done by coal mining, though it's mostly deals with malevolent spirits and things unearthed in thr mines.

Topically, there's some great music in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv911FY-Zlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJXcBd_mqmo

HenryJLittlefinger fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Aug 30, 2023

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap



I love this and my mind can't decide if it's hearing an Irish pub song or a honky tonk song.

Which the more I think about it are differenr flavors of the same class of people.

Anyhow, all these working class songs and The Anthem hasn't been mentioned yet, shame on us all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbxUSsFXYo4

Sir Bobert Fishbone
Jan 16, 2006

Beebort

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

Yeah, and that's why I left Coal Miner's Daughter off my list. It's totally reasonable to be proud of coming from a hard trade background through region and family, especially when that trade is something that provides for people's needs one way or another. Tyler Childers and Sturgill Simpson both allude pretty explicitly to that part of the struggle in their songs. And like so many trades that are defining and dominating for the region, poor families often don't have a way to not be part of it, so why not take pride in what you've been dealt in life. Where I come from, there's chicken farming and timber. If your family doesn't have means and you're not a superstar student, you will have a hard time leaving the region and likely spend a lot of your life working in a chicken plant or driving a pulpwood truck or working in a paper mill.

Industries that exploit and damage natural resources and the people are never so simple as to be painted all good or all bad. You can be deeply and inescapably part of the system, hate it and want to leave it, resent what it's done to your land and your people, want better for the people you work with and for, and be proud of the work you do in it. Yeah, coal mining is pretty clearly bad and we need to not do it anymore, but the people who do it aren't bad just because that's one of the few options they had to make a living. It really is a perfect industry to write country music about.

Got a li'l collection of books that address this area and its music, especially with regard to the coal:


A lot of overtly workers' rights songs came out in the middle of the last century, but I'll throw in (more folk than country, probably)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgmewUP-E-w
or anything Woody Guthrie or Pete Seeger were involved in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcddbibYMCc
Billy Bragg has a lot of Woody covers and originals that are extremely pro-union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enZ6MSFc1f0
or any "Ballad of John Henry" song from the last century you like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZU8fIpkAps

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


stealie72 posted:

Ooh, are we doing Canadian industries dying now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5EusP_tEK8
David Francey has some good ones too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBEA5e3rq1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIvWTcWDNiY

Heck let’s go Scottish too, since so much of white southern music has its roots in Scotland and the north of England.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrdl4ijru8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk-TVpUy_Zk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx6B6-J8MQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4VBGhsNaXo

And some whatever you call Billy Bragg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjUA3RU4B8E

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

I love this and my mind can't decide if it's hearing an Irish pub song or a honky tonk song.




He's a treasure.

If you ever picked tobacco, you'll feel this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA3aO9n3k18

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
I feel like it kinda goes in this thread but Jimmy Buffett died yesterday.

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

BonoMan posted:

I feel like it kinda goes in this thread but Jimmy Buffett died yesterday.
Posting up outside Margaritaville trying to figure out how to play a steel drum in a mournful way.

Elephunk
Dec 6, 2007



HenryJLittlefinger posted:

I don't know if this request was about that astroturfed red bearded ding dong with a nice guitar but that's just been bothering me lately.

The worst part of the Oliver Anthony song is that he's playing a Dobro with a capo on it (?) and strumming it upright like a guitar

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Their eyes locked and suddenly there was the sound of breaking glass.
\

KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Posting up outside Margaritaville trying to figure out how to play a steel drum in a mournful way.
You can't. That's the curse and the magic of margaritaville.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Elephunk posted:

The worst part of the Oliver Anthony song is that he's playing a Dobro with a capo on it (?) and strumming it upright like a guitar

I have the same reaction when I see a 6 string banjo.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Elephunk posted:

The worst part of the Oliver Anthony song is that he's playing a Dobro with a capo on it (?) and strumming it upright like a guitar

It's a round neck Gretsch resonator, so intended to play like a regular guitar. You could play it flat with a steel but it wouldn't go very well.

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010

stealie72 posted:

You can't. That's the curse and the magic of margaritaville.

You're not wrong, but I will take any excuse to post this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhKw2KD5Fts

CaptainBeefart
Mar 28, 2016


Skinnymansbeerbelly posted:

You're not wrong, but I will take any excuse to post this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhKw2KD5Fts

This is a good cover. Love the Lagniappe sessions.

Elephunk
Dec 6, 2007



This is so good! Love Billy's little solo and his tasteful licks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKsYfRrnSBQ

Never knew about Nanci until her passing last year or so, amazing discography...

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ2heH1OUdE
Todd Snider played a nice Buffett tribute on Sunday. Plays tons of his songs and tells lots of stories

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Elephunk posted:

This is so good! Love Billy's little solo and his tasteful licks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKsYfRrnSBQ

Never knew about Nanci until her passing last year or so, amazing discography...
Dang I didn't realize she had died. Ninci Griffith is fantastic. Other Voices, Other Rooms and Other Voices, Too both got played probably weekly at my old job and all those songs bring back some fond memories.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

Dang I didn't realize she had died. Ninci Griffith is fantastic. Other Voices, Other Rooms and Other Voices, Too both got played probably weekly at my old job and all those songs bring back some fond memories.

Same. She was my friends mom’s favorite. Big loss

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lsculpt23
Aug 3, 2022

MagpieConcept posted:

Anyone have suggestions for darker folk/country? Examples are stuff like Devil Makes Three, Brown Bird, or (some) Legendary Shack Shakers. I really like that stuff but have no idea how to dig deeper lol.

A little late to this, but also try The Builders and the Butchers, Benjamin Dakota Rogers, Poor Man's Poison, and Kainen Kellum. Here are some representative samples. People will probably know B&B, but I strongly recommend you check out the newer folks.

B&B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVEP83Rrafw No Roses

BDR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk59xh5UV00 Jeremiah (also has possibly the best ever cover of Blackjack County Chain)

Edit: his version of Blackjack County Chain is too good not to link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RopCPCe49W8

PMP: https://youtu.be/bTHN1eWN7iU?si=4qXRW-MG15COFgdV Hell's Coming With Me

KK: https://youtu.be/jxVqVXzuCvQ?si=8ad2GVDtUgMNslCE Deep Water

Bonus: The Sea by Corner Boy - https://youtu.be/sdFc1NK68KY?si=oS5HM8c3DdvlyxcF

Hope you enjoy.

lsculpt23 fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Sep 7, 2023

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