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magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

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I finally made something! For years I've lusted after motion graphics, I've taken tutorials on AfterEffects and tried to make something, but I've rarely had anything TO make except, 'hey look I made something!'

But that all changed last week when I drew up a pitch for Ford. They saw the drawing, (well. It's photoshop + wacom tablet) and wanted to see how the thing actually did stuff.

The basic concept: An interactive info graphic page on weather.com, showing how weather impacts fuel efficiency. The data would change out depending on the user's location, weather, time of day etc.

I started drawing out the rest of the thing, and decided to animate it. I did that part in Blender, importing my sketches, and then bounced it over to AfterEffects for the opening/closing screen. I did the music in garageband.

It's hardly what I'd call a demo reel - and some of the text I go over pretty quickly, only because they've already got the original mockup.

They presented it to Ford today. I'll let you know what happens next. Not bad for a thing I whipped together in 4 days. I wish I had more time to work on it.

https://vimeo.com/67856941

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magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

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I've been making motion graphics for the weather channel for the past 3 weeks, and my third video (launched yesterday) is the Video Of The Day today.

I built it using Photoshop and Manga Studio for the drawings, imported the 2D pngs into Blender3D. I tried using After Effects but holy poo poo it takes so long to get an idea of what I'm doing in there.

http://www.weather.com/video/sponsored-video/3-secrets-to-beat-mosquitoes-52077?collid=/news/video-of-the-day

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

raging bullwinkle posted:

I'd share it but this link doesn't work. Please fix!

I poked around and found it.
http://www.othercubed.com/store/circles

And HELL YES thanks for this. Can't wait to use it.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
This year, I've started working full time doing motion graphics/animation, explainer videos, and stuff. It's not the greatest art, but I'm getting there.

My first stab at some opening credits kind of a thing. Tell me how I could improve on this, please.
https://vimeo.com/122807962

I wanted to make something abstract that could loop, maybe use it on my own website.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhbFlsAhiig

This is a portion of a thing - it's in 3D but I tried to get it to look like vector lines instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BBiUChuRMs

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
great feedback, thanks.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
quick AE question, and it's a principle-of-the-thing kind of question, so I don't know where else to research it.

WHY does AE not have an option to put layers into a folder? Like Flash, for instance. I've got a pretty long clip, and I'm making pre-comps as much as possible, but I'm still getting deep into layers. Is there a logical reason to this that I'm missing? Like - is it a way to keep users from making too many layers or something?

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
holy poo poo the insanity.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I'm finally getting the hang of this whole easing animating thing in After Effects.


But, seriously, how is this different from animating in Flash? (question for people who've done a lot in both programs. I did flash for over a decade before I got over to AE.)

I love the results, but when I step back and look at it, it reminds me of stuff I did five years ago.

I'm curious why there's such a resurgence in this kind of stuff?

magnificent7 fucked around with this message at 02:32 on May 2, 2015

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Ccs posted:

I think AE is just a lot more versatile. You can animate in it and also do compositing and color correction. Flash is more limited.

Though if you're wondering why this kind of animation is back in fashion... I guess cause it looks good but isn't too expensive or super difficult? Did it ever go out of fashion or did the preferred program just change?
Maybe yeah - the tool changed, not the style.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Help me break down grids and placement and sizing on motiongraphs.

I try to follow thirds, or the perfect triangle, or any and all of them, but my stuff consistently looks crowded, cluttered, OR sparse and vacant.

How do you go about setting up your shots? During the storyboard phase, are you mindful of size and placement? Or do you build your stuff, and THEN go back and adjust? This seems like such a remedial question that I should have learned decades ago, but I don't think I'll ever get a grip on it. I know that I tend to keep my subject huge on the screen, I'm not comfortable backing up... maybe that's from my years of designing rock posters or something?

Here's a clip I made about 6 months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmq8Dhqyg60

And here's some screenshots of another clip I just finished. (I can't post the actual clip).





I have this constant obsession in my mind -- frame everything important into the shot - fill the space! I see it, I try to stop myself, but then, the shot looks, well, lovely.

I don't think it's BAD in terms of framing the content. But it lacks -- whatever it is -- that makes THIS clip work:
https://vimeo.com/108898944

Here's a couple of screenshots from that one.




Is this a matter of sticking to the safe area? IS there an applied standard to proportions and placement in motion design, that I'm oblivious to?

magnificent7 fucked around with this message at 18:13 on May 24, 2015

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

BonoMan posted:

Well to be honest you're asking a very LARGE question ("what makes my shot look good") and it stretches over various disciplines.

Directing of Photography/Cinematography
Production/Set design.
Color design.
Color correction.

They're framed up better than your shots, but they have the right supporting structure to give them something to frame.

There's detail in their sets (which gives an appropriate sense of scale as well as being just overall more interesting).
There's foreground/middle/background sometimes. Gives a sense of parallax and visual interest.
Properly balanced objects within the scene.
Color themes as well as properly balanced color correction (yours doesn't seem to have much color theory applied. Lots of bland grays and the lighting is uninteresting and everything has kind of a washed out improper contrast feel).

I suggest actually studying up on cinematography in film, color theory and basic three point lighting (at least to start out with).
Thanks for the input. I agree with everything you said.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

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raging bullwinkle posted:

BonoMan gave some great answers but I want to add to them.

-- great stuff that should've been obvious but duh --
Thank you thank you. I've been dismissing the shadows (direction, strength, etc) thing for years, but your mockup nailed it.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

BonoMan posted:

That's a stretch Hummer limo. It's there to symbolize American excess and it's reliance on oil.
Yup. I didn't think I was making a real mystery there - the ending says, "It's Hummer Time" to pound that point in. But, I'd imagine that, beyond the US, "It's Hummer Time" might mean something entirely different.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I know it's dead around here, but drat, I just blew 12 hours putting this together.

Did the music in garageband after trying a million other ways to do it. And now, that song will be glued to my skull forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhdAUWv8ta0

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Does anybody have scripts + storyboards of final projects they could share with me?

My producer is killing me with her ideas when she's providing a script and asking for storyboards. For most sentences, she's got 3-5 visuals she wants to include, and I'm just not seeing how to cram them into the short amount of time. Not just visuals... I mean events.

For example, (NOT the real script) I get something like this:

"Games have been around for centuries, and today, it's as relevant as ever."

And her input/idea is this:
show cavemen with sticks.
then show people in roman times playing a specific game,
then show people from the 20s playing shuffleboard,
then show a family at home today playing monopoly.

YES it's possible to do all that, but, in my mind it'd all fly by so fast, I feel like just cutting the middle ones would improve the overall story. Am I wrong? SHOULD I be thinking about super-fast cuts that jump all over the place?

How do you overcome something like this? If it happened just once, I'd think it was catering to the client, but this happens everytime - packing ten pounds into a five pound bag.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

BonoMan posted:

We encounter this all the time. Best tactic we've had is literally doing up a quick sketch storyboard (don't go all out) and scratch VO track and SHOW them how ridiculously paced it is. If you explain it they'll go "yeah yeah yeah but I want it." If you show them they'll go "oh... ok yeah that doesn't work."
Yep. That's what I'm doing now.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

BonoMan posted:

We encounter this all the time. Best tactic we've had is literally doing up a quick sketch storyboard (don't go all out) and scratch VO track and SHOW them how ridiculously paced it is. If you explain it they'll go "yeah yeah yeah but I want it." If you show them they'll go "oh... ok yeah that doesn't work."
To come back to this briefly, thanks. It helped, a lot.

Next question regards app choices during the workflow.

I've been building my entire project in After Effects; even when it's a video-heavy project. My reasoning has been that I'm rarely just editing clips together. Often I'm scaling the clips up, panning left to right, etc, and I'm adding text and graphics over the clips.

I am positive Premiere should be a part of my workflow, hell I'm paying for it, but I do not understand why it's beneficial to bounce between the two.

So here's what I've got to do:

Assemble X number of video clips, timed to a VO and music tracks. Some percentage of those clips will need to be scaled up and panned to add more movement to the story. And THEN add graphic elements overlaid.

The end result should be something loosely similar to this, but without the layered effect from True Detective. (Just pretend the stock video is plain video, and there's graphic elements dancing over it.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz2TxhfrZFU

Do you think After Effects alone is good enough? Would including Premiere speed up my process at all?

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

BonoMan posted:

Using Premiere would greatly help you. I've been doing this for years and STILL fall into that same trap of "eh gently caress it I'll do it all in AE" ... so trust me I know the feeling :).

But yeah, Premiere would help.

So, first, you can do scale and pans in Premiere and if they're really simple it might just be best to do that in Premiere.

If not I'd still do the majority of my editing and syncing to the VO/music in Premiere. AE is poo poo for real time playback so you'll save hours doing that part in Premiere and not AE where you're loading crap into RAM Preview every time you want to see something.

If you can get your pans and motion scales to work in Premiere instead of AE that will save you even more time. Then you would just export out to AE (through exporting a movie or dynamic linking the AE and PPro projects together... which I rarely do so somebody else can probably give you better advice there) and do your titling there and export via AME. You can also do titling in Premiere if it's pretty simple, but I hate doing titles in Premiere. Hate it.

Depending on the length of the project you can export the whole thing or just the chunks that need graphics and round trip it back into PPro (again the dynamic linking would probably the best thing here but I'm stubborn and too old to learn how to do that properly).

So, uh, that's a convoluted way of saying "Yes use Premiere for all of your editing needs then go into AE for graphics because editing in AE is sloowwwwww as gently caress and will waste a lot of man hours."
Thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to know. And yes, RAM preview is rear end. I gotta learn how to scale and pan in Premiere.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Gunjin posted:

Scaling and panning is super easy in Premier, google up any of the "Ken Burns effect" tutorials, that'll give you a starting point (they will be over stills instead of video, but it works the same way), and then with a few minutes of experimenting with it you should be good to go.

Thanks for this!

I've seen "The Ken Burns Effect" for awhile, and never checked into it. "Pan and zoom? Pssh. Duh that's easy in After Effects. hahaha-lols-maroons."

I have so much to learn.

Hey speaking of - I love this website (https://www.premiumbeat.com) for the wide array of tutorials and inspirational articles, links to free tempates/extras, etc.:

Here's their tutorial on the Ken Burns effect, in case anybody else on this thread is curious.
http://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/ken-burns-effect-premiere-pro/

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

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Has anybody messed around with BlackMagic's Fusion? They've released a Beta, available for Mac so hells yes.

But - what the hell? No audio? Is that really a thing? I've been searching their forums, the web, etc.

1. Their manual has no mention of importing audio.
2. Audio comes up on their forum, but only where people are asking if it's a thing. Responses have been, "no it is not." but I want to believe I'm just looking in the wrong places, because their Fusion 8 feature chart includes:

Scrub audio and view waveform within timeline: Yes.

Soooooo, I'm kind of assuming audio is a thing, if the software shows waveform, and scrubs audio.

Anybody have a clue?

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Cyne posted:

Audio playback in Fusion was added in the currently available Beta 2 - look for the speaker icon next to the playback controls and right click to select a file. It's still pretty limited at this point but I imagine this is something Blackmagic has an eye on improving since they seem to want to start making some inroads in the motion graphics community with Fusion.

As for Fusion in general, I've been playing around with the beta for a couple months and have definitely been digging it. Coming from a Nuke background it's really easy to get into once you know all the equivalent nodes and I'll definitely be using it for personal projects and freelance work in the future.
Yeah I saw that, but playing the clip with the audio is jacked; it lags horribly. I'm not sure if the purpose there is to just do amazing motion graphics for the purpose of porting into some other software, (DaVinci?) to align to audio, but it seems like a really huge mistake in development in this day and age to not really plan for audio as a part of your clips.

Or maybe I'm just doing it wrong. Which I could totally get if I am.

But let me clarify.

My first year with Adobe CC subscription is about to end, and I've heard that the rate goes up from $49 to $70 or something like that. So with that in mind, I'm looking into alternatives. I've got Logic Pro, so I might end up going that route.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

BonoMan posted:

No that's only if you add the Adobe stock plan to your CC sub. You should stay at $50/month and I'm fairly sure you can easily just ask for cheaper and get it.
Thanks to help clarify. I'll check into it.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
This thread's slowly dying... I wonder if everybody's over at the Video Editing thread instead?

FEEDBACK REQUEST:
I'm working on an auto show with some friends, and I'm doing the opener. After reviewing several auto-based webisode shows, (webishows?) I urged them to take it to the next level up and over almost any other level that exists, just because why not. Since we're on a broken shoestring budget, any real footage is not readily available, so I've done most of it in 3D, then bounced into AE for explosions, text, color-grading madness, etc.

Any suggestions to make it even more of moreness? Bearing in mind that the goal is to get that perfect mix of incredible and incredibly not incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONJ1HXm_st8

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Thanks for the feedback, I've updated the clip a lot, the textures were totally screwed on the bldgs, and the asphalt drove me nuts too, and the logo behind the car, and a dozen other tiny things.

The lack-of-a-driver thing is driving me nuts too. I'd give anything to put a greenscreened shot of the two hosts into the car.

Regarding your Acid Rain video - there's not a lot of composition to the clip - there's layers of stuff, it's all right in the center most of the time, so there's not a lot to do, as the audience, except keep staring in the center, waiting for the next thing to appear/disappear, and maybe that's the goal? But since there's not really a start or ending, it's just kind of there, for 3 minutes. Maybe try layering the clips over time, building up to something, so the video goes somewhere?

Abstract videos kill me -- a lot of times I couldn't tell you why I like one, or what makes one interesting... the best comparison I could think of was Crazy by Gnarls Barkley... it's similar in that there's no story, nothing really happening except that kickass watercolor effect, but I think the video builds up to a level of complexity instead of just boom, 3 minutes and then done.

But I could be wrong. And relatively new to making this stuff.

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magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

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I'm never letting this thread die.

Two projects I've finished, well. Three but these two are the ones I like.

Trailer for my book, because why not have more than one hobby that promises no revenue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3kOOloBEAE

And I finished the Crossthreaded video, not just the intro but a lot of the overlaying graphics, audio wrangling, and color fauxrection. I wouldn't call it color correction. More like color awareness.

He posted it yesterday, we're already up to 600+ views and 100 subs, which blows my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzznqxIiqa0

Okay and then finally my third one, the total corporate explainer video. This was the one I was asking about on this thread a few months ago, trying to figure out how to talk to my clients regarding painful scripts, bloated concepts, etc. The result turned out well, thanks in part to the advice from on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAfQiOe1pBI

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